From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 1 01:26:17 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:26:17 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard References: <000801c507eb$7bef0c60$96b37045@k8s0b2> Message-ID: <031301c507fd$0ace26d0$674da8c0@art8100> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_IERg95QKPeeR8KhB06G46g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Frankly, I'm not entirely sure whether mine is StaySet-X like the jib halyards were, or whether it was upgraded to Kevlar. Still in too good condition to warrant replacement. When in doubt, call Layline (www.layline.com). Very knowledgeable, have all the specs on our boats, and great service. They will ask about your use of the boat, and make recommendations. I've replaced both spinn halyards and the jib halyard through them. They turned a spinn halyard order around same-day to keep me racing at no extra charge. And yes, all my business is mail-order. Good luck, Art ----- Original Message ----- From: >gm To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard I'm in need of a new main halyard. Any suggestions??? >gm SV Patriot --Boundary_(ID_IERg95QKPeeR8KhB06G46g) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Frankly, I'm not entirely sure whether mine is StaySet-X like the jib halyards were, or whether it was upgraded to Kevlar.  Still in too good condition to warrant replacement. 
 
When in doubt, call Layline (www.layline.com).  Very knowledgeable, have all the specs on our boats, and great service.  They will ask about your use of the boat, and make recommendations.  I've replaced both spinn halyards and the jib halyard through them.  They turned a spinn halyard order around same-day to keep me racing at no extra charge.  And yes, all my business is mail-order.
 
Good luck,
Art
----- Original Message -----
From: >gm
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:20 PM
Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard

I'm in need of a new main halyard.
Any suggestions???
>gm
SV Patriot
--Boundary_(ID_IERg95QKPeeR8KhB06G46g)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 1 03:08:32 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:08:32 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard Message-ID: <1824ebf18241f8.18241f81824ebf@optonline.net>

Are you using all line and if so did you need to replace the sheaves at the top of the mast??

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>

Date: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:26 pm

Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard

> Frankly, I'm not entirely sure whether mine is StaySet-X like the
> jib halyards were, or whether it was upgraded to Kevlar. Still in
> too good condition to warrant replacement.
>
> When in doubt, call Layline (www.layline.com). Very
> knowledgeable, have all the specs on our boats, and great service.
> They will ask about your use of the boat, and make
> recommendations. I've replaced both spinn halyards and the jib
> halyard through them. They turned a spinn halyard order around
> same-day to keep me racing at no extra charge. And yes, all my
> business is mail-order.
>
> Good luck,
> Art
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: >gm
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:20 PM
> Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard
>
>
> I'm in need of a new main halyard.
> Any suggestions???
> >gm
> SV Patriot
> From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 1 14:11:26 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:11:26 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard Message-ID: <7C09B969.754BB19F.0A9AF288@aol.com> Advice I received from sailmaker was to make sure the halyard had a less stretch than the sail. Agree with Art that Layline is a first class operation. I could use some advice on replacing the masthead blocks, mine seem to have more friction than necessary. Jerry Pelirrojas From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 1 15:32:47 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:32:47 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard References: <1824ebf18241f8.18241f81824ebf@optonline.net> Message-ID: <038f01c50873$51857850$674da8c0@art8100> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_mdOLeZ6OvJM46GG5y/XYrA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mine is all line, not even tapered line, but that's the way I got the boat. It also just occurred to me that this boat had been dismasted prior to my purchase, so the rig I got was already post-production and hence may have been built to spec for rope halyards. I know he said it took almost a year to get the new mast from Hall. Maybe a quick note to Hall will get you the information. Otherwise you may need to measure the sheaves. Maybe you can use a tapered halyard to replace the wire, if the diameters work. I guess the question goes out to the rest of the fleet - did your masts come with narrow sheaves for wire, wider for rope, or perhaps dual mode with a deeper narrow groove in the sheave? Art "Brilliant" ----- Original Message ----- From: tchirles@optonline.net To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard Are you using all line and if so did you need to replace the sheaves at the top of the mast?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Kelley Date: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:26 pm Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard > Frankly, I'm not entirely sure whether mine is StaySet-X like the > jib halyards were, or whether it was upgraded to Kevlar. Still in > too good condition to warrant replacement. > > When in doubt, call Layline (www.layline.com). Very > knowledgeable, have all the specs on our boats, and great service. > They will ask about your use of the boat, and make > recommendations. I've replaced both spinn halyards and the jib > halyard through them. They turned a spinn halyard order around > same-day to keep me racing at no extra charge. And yes, all my > business is mail-order. > > Good luck, > Art > ----- Original Message ----- > From: >gm > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:20 PM > Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard > > > I'm in need of a new main halyard. > Any suggestions??? > >gm > SV Patriot > _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --Boundary_(ID_mdOLeZ6OvJM46GG5y/XYrA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Mine is all line, not even tapered line, but that's the way I got the boat.  It also just occurred to me that this boat had been dismasted prior to my purchase, so the rig I got was already post-production and hence may have been built to spec for rope halyards.  I know he said it took almost a year to get the new mast from Hall.
 
Maybe a quick note to Hall will get you the information.  Otherwise you may need to measure the sheaves.  Maybe you can use a tapered halyard to replace the wire, if the diameters work. 
 
I guess the question goes out to the rest of the fleet - did your masts come with narrow sheaves for wire, wider for rope, or perhaps dual mode with a deeper narrow groove in the sheave?
 
Art
"Brilliant"
 
----- Original Message -----
From: tchirles@optonline.net
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard

Are you using all line and if so did you need to replace the sheaves at the top of the mast??

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>

Date: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:26 pm

Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard

> Frankly, I'm not entirely sure whether mine is StaySet-X like the
> jib halyards were, or whether it was upgraded to Kevlar. Still in
> too good condition to warrant replacement.
>
> When in doubt, call Layline (www.layline.com). Very
> knowledgeable, have all the specs on our boats, and great service.
> They will ask about your use of the boat, and make
> recommendations. I've replaced both spinn halyards and the jib
> halyard through them. They turned a spinn halyard order around
> same-day to keep me racing at no extra charge. And yes, all my
> business is mail-order.
>
> Good luck,
> Art
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: >gm
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:20 PM
> Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard
>
>
> I'm in need of a new main halyard.
> Any suggestions???
> >gm
> SV Patriot
> _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list
--Boundary_(ID_mdOLeZ6OvJM46GG5y/XYrA)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 1 15:56:09 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Kurt Hudson) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:56:09 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard In-Reply-To: <038f01c50873$51857850$674da8c0@art8100> Message-ID: <00b701c50876$8c870830$7701a8c0@Taco> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C5084C.A3B10030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We use Vectran for the main halyard due to the high load of the sail. We also use this for the jib halyard. You can get away with something less = for the spin halyards. We did change over the sheaves to a larger diameter sheave way back when so it wouldn't break down the high tech lines (it = was a more a function of the turning radius). I'm not sure if that's entirely necessary with the new lines - but Layline should be able to tell you. They're pretty helpful. =20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:33 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard =20 Mine is all line, not even tapered line, but that's the way I got the = boat. It also just occurred to me that this boat had been dismasted prior to = my purchase, so the rig I got was already post-production and hence may = have been built to spec for rope halyards. I know he said it took almost a = year to get the new mast from Hall. =20 Maybe a quick note to Hall will get you the information. Otherwise you = may need to measure the sheaves. Maybe you can use a tapered halyard to = replace the wire, if the diameters work. =20 =20 I guess the question goes out to the rest of the fleet - did your masts = come with narrow sheaves for wire, wider for rope, or perhaps dual mode with = a deeper narrow groove in the sheave? =20 Art "Brilliant" =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tchirles@optonline.net=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard =20 Are you using all line and if so did you need to replace the sheaves at = the top of the mast?? =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Kelley =20 Date: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:26 pm=20 Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard=20 > Frankly, I'm not entirely sure whether mine is StaySet-X like the=20 > jib halyards were, or whether it was upgraded to Kevlar. Still in=20 > too good condition to warrant replacement.=20 >=20 > When in doubt, call Layline (www.layline.com). Very=20 > knowledgeable, have all the specs on our boats, and great service.=20 > They will ask about your use of the boat, and make=20 > recommendations. I've replaced both spinn halyards and the jib=20 > halyard through them. They turned a spinn halyard order around=20 > same-day to keep me racing at no extra charge. And yes, all my=20 > business is mail-order.=20 >=20 > Good luck,=20 > Art=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: >gm=20 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:20 PM=20 > Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard=20 >=20 >=20 > I'm in need of a new main halyard.=20 > Any suggestions???=20 > >gm=20 > SV Patriot=20 > _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing = list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C5084C.A3B10030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We use Vectran for the main halyard = due to the high load of the sail. We also use this for the jib halyard. You can = get away with something less for the spin halyards. We did change over the = sheaves to a larger diameter sheave way back when so it wouldn’t break = down the high tech lines (it was a more a function of the turning radius). = I’m not sure if that’s entirely necessary with the new lines – but = Layline should be able to tell you. They’re pretty = helpful.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Tuesday, February = 01, 2005 10:33 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: = [frers-list]New Main Halyard

 

Mine is all line, not even = tapered line, but that's the way I got the boat.  It also just occurred to = me that this boat had been dismasted prior to my purchase, so the rig I got was = already post-production and hence may have been built to spec for rope = halyards.  I know he said it took almost a year to get the new mast from = Hall.

 

Maybe a quick note to Hall = will get you the information.  Otherwise you may need to measure the = sheaves.  Maybe you can use a tapered halyard to replace the wire, if the = diameters work. 

 

I guess the question goes = out to the rest of the fleet - did your masts come with narrow sheaves for wire, = wider for rope, or perhaps dual mode with a deeper narrow groove in the = sheave?

 

Art

"Brilliant"=

 

----- Original Message = -----

From: tchirles@optonline.net

To:<= /font> frers-list@lists.frers33.com

Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard

 

Are you using all = line and if so did you need to replace the sheaves at the top of the = mast??

 

----- Original Message = -----

From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>

Date: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:26 pm

Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard

> Frankly, I'm not entirely sure whether = mine is StaySet-X like the
> jib halyards were, or whether it was upgraded to Kevlar. Still in =
> too good condition to warrant replacement.
>
> When in doubt, call Layline (www.layline.com). Very
> knowledgeable, have all the specs on our boats, and great service. =
> They will ask about your use of the boat, and make
> recommendations. I've replaced both spinn halyards and the jib
> halyard through them. They turned a spinn halyard order around
> same-day to keep me racing at no extra charge. And yes, all my
> business is mail-order.
>
> Good luck,
> Art
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: >gm
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:20 PM
> Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard
>
>
> I'm in need of a new main halyard.
> Any suggestions???
> >gm
> SV Patriot
> _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing = list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list

------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C5084C.A3B10030-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 1 16:09:50 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Steve Carton) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:09:50 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard In-Reply-To: <7C09B969.754BB19F.0A9AF288@aol.com> Message-ID: <200502011609.j11G9o36025103@www2.kc.aoindustries.com> For what it's worth, I've also gotten some good prices and service from pyacht.com -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of JCBlack099@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:11 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard Advice I received from sailmaker was to make sure the halyard had a less stretch than the sail. Agree with Art that Layline is a first class operation. I could use some advice on replacing the masthead blocks, mine seem to have more friction than necessary. Jerry Pelirrojas _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 1 16:27:09 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Brown, Junius {PCNA}) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:27:09 -0600 Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard Message-ID: <73D2EFF7AE08014DB9EA31D9399B7068052DDB@pepwmu00191.corp.pep.pvt> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5087A.E09DC692 Content-Type: text/plain I replaced all of my halyards last year with 5/16" Ultra-Tech. Doing so probably took 15-20 lbs off the mast and it's all low stretch. After a season of racing the lines are still like new. I have a Hall Spar and had no issues with the sheaves main or the 3 headsail stays. I've been very happy with the results. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:33 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard Mine is all line, not even tapered line, but that's the way I got the boat. It also just occurred to me that this boat had been dismasted prior to my purchase, so the rig I got was already post-production and hence may have been built to spec for rope halyards. I know he said it took almost a year to get the new mast from Hall. Maybe a quick note to Hall will get you the information. Otherwise you may need to measure the sheaves. Maybe you can use a tapered halyard to replace the wire, if the diameters work. I guess the question goes out to the rest of the fleet - did your masts come with narrow sheaves for wire, wider for rope, or perhaps dual mode with a deeper narrow groove in the sheave? Art "Brilliant" ----- Original Message ----- From: tchirles@optonline.net To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard Are you using all line and if so did you need to replace the sheaves at the top of the mast?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Kelley > Date: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:26 pm Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard > Frankly, I'm not entirely sure whether mine is StaySet-X like the > jib halyards were, or whether it was upgraded to Kevlar. Still in > too good condition to warrant replacement. > > When in doubt, call Layline (www.layline.com). Very > knowledgeable, have all the specs on our boats, and great service. > They will ask about your use of the boat, and make > recommendations. I've replaced both spinn halyards and the jib > halyard through them. They turned a spinn halyard order around > same-day to keep me racing at no extra charge. And yes, all my > business is mail-order. > > Good luck, > Art > ----- Original Message ----- > From: >gm > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:20 PM > Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard > > > I'm in need of a new main halyard. > Any suggestions??? > >gm > SV Patriot > _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5087A.E09DC692 Content-Type: text/html Message
I replaced all of my halyards last year with 5/16" Ultra-Tech.  Doing so probably took 15-20 lbs off the mast and it's all low stretch.  After a season of racing the lines are still like new.  I have a Hall Spar and had no issues with the sheaves main or the 3 headsail stays. I've been very happy with the results.
-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:33 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard

Mine is all line, not even tapered line, but that's the way I got the boat.  It also just occurred to me that this boat had been dismasted prior to my purchase, so the rig I got was already post-production and hence may have been built to spec for rope halyards.  I know he said it took almost a year to get the new mast from Hall.
 
Maybe a quick note to Hall will get you the information.  Otherwise you may need to measure the sheaves.  Maybe you can use a tapered halyard to replace the wire, if the diameters work. 
 
I guess the question goes out to the rest of the fleet - did your masts come with narrow sheaves for wire, wider for rope, or perhaps dual mode with a deeper narrow groove in the sheave?
 
Art
"Brilliant"
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard

Are you using all line and if so did you need to replace the sheaves at the top of the mast??

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>

Date: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:26 pm

Subject: Re: [frers-list]New Main Halyard

> Frankly, I'm not entirely sure whether mine is StaySet-X like the
> jib halyards were, or whether it was upgraded to Kevlar. Still in
> too good condition to warrant replacement.
>
> When in doubt, call Layline (www.layline.com). Very
> knowledgeable, have all the specs on our boats, and great service.
> They will ask about your use of the boat, and make
> recommendations. I've replaced both spinn halyards and the jib
> halyard through them. They turned a spinn halyard order around
> same-day to keep me racing at no extra charge. And yes, all my
> business is mail-order.
>
> Good luck,
> Art
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: >gm
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:20 PM
> Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard
>
>
> I'm in need of a new main halyard.
> Any suggestions???
> >gm
> SV Patriot
> _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list
------_=_NextPart_001_01C5087A.E09DC692-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 1 18:40:13 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Neal Melanson) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:40:13 -0700 Subject: [frers-list]New Main Halyard Message-ID: <3794AB5DEA312247A5EBA50BF09B8A0852600D@MC4EXCH03.mcdata.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_Boundary_BBsQwY6YHkidcDjoYAPN Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=originalmail.eml Received: from MC4EXCH03.mcdata.com ([172.16.11.122]) by 380GATE01.mcdata.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:40:14 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6556.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5088D.7771BC71" Subject: RE: [frers-list]New Main Halyard Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:40:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3794AB5DEA312247A5EBA50BF09B8A0852600D@MC4EXCH03.mcdata.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: 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(gate01) --=_Boundary_BBsQwY6YHkidcDjoYAPN-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Feb 5 16:08:29 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (>gm) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:08:29 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]New Roller-Furling Head Sail Message-ID: <000801c50b9c$ee9e90a0$96b37045@k8s0b2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_AnQqk0Qo+Z/h4gGwPNfcnQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi everyone! I'm currently in contact with North Sails concerning a new roller furling head sail. At this time I'm considering a paneled #2, LP = 135%, but the cloth choices are incredible! Any suggestions??? >gm --Boundary_(ID_AnQqk0Qo+Z/h4gGwPNfcnQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi everyone!
I'm currently in contact with North Sails concerning a new roller furling head sail.
At this time I'm considering a paneled #2, LP = 135%, but the cloth choices are incredible!
Any suggestions???
>gm
--Boundary_(ID_AnQqk0Qo+Z/h4gGwPNfcnQ)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Feb 7 14:17:03 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Albert Francis X NSSC) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:17:03 -0800 Subject: [frers-list]New Roller-Furling Head Sail Message-ID: <1E52F802C8BFE34E86F198B74FC5E50A68336C@nssczeusex9.navsea.navy.mil> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C50D1F.B263CF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gary, The choice of cloth is going to be very dependant on weather you'll be cruising or racing. Cruising cloths like Dacron will last a lot longer and are less expensive but are not very good for racing more than just one or two races. They tend to stretch out of shape and although they'll still move the boat they won't move it at maximum speeds after just a few times out. Mylar and Kevlar will hold their shape better over time but won't last as long as Dacron and cost more. Aside from the cloth issue you might want to consider a 140% LP as your number 2 sail especially if you're going to be using it on a roller furling unit. Good luck, Frank Albert -----Original Message----- From: >gm [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:08 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]New Roller-Furling Head Sail Hi everyone! I'm currently in contact with North Sails concerning a new roller furling head sail. At this time I'm considering a paneled #2, LP = 135%, but the cloth choices are incredible! Any suggestions??? >gm ------_=_NextPart_001_01C50D1F.B263CF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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T= he choice of cloth is going to be very dependant on weather you'll be cruising or = racing.  Cruising cloths like Dacron = will last a lot longer and are less expensive but are not very good for racing more = than just one or two races.  = They tend to stretch out of shape and although they'll still move the boat they = won't move it at maximum speeds after just a few times out.  Mylar and Kevlar will hold their shape better over = time but won't last as long as Dacron and cost more.  Aside from  the cloth issue you might want to consider a 140% LP as your number 2 sail = especially if you're going to be using it on a roller furling = unit.

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G= ood luck,

F= rank Albert

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-----Original Message-----
From: >gm = [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]
Sent: Saturday, February = 05, 2005 11:08
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]New Roller-Furling Head Sail

 

Hi everyone! =

I'm currently in contact with North Sails concerning a new roller furling head = sail.=

At this time I'm considering a paneled #2, LP =3D 135%, but the cloth choices = are incredible!

Any suggestions???

>gm=

------_=_NextPart_001_01C50D1F.B263CF40-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Feb 7 15:50:34 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Louise K. Brokaw) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:50:34 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]New Roller-Furling Head Sail References: <000801c50b9c$ee9e90a0$96b37045@k8s0b2> Message-ID: <000701c50d2c$c58b73e0$6401a8c0@Brokaw> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C50D02.D9B83170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just Purchased a Doyle "Quicksilver" 150%... This sail actually holds = reasonable shape when partially furled. Suggest you shop. I use this = sail for cruising AND racing ----- Original Message -----=20 From: >gm=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [frers-list]New Roller-Furling Head Sail Hi everyone!=20 I'm currently in contact with North Sails concerning a new roller = furling head sail. At this time I'm considering a paneled #2, LP =3D 135%, but the cloth = choices are incredible! Any suggestions??? >gm ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C50D02.D9B83170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just Purchased a Doyle "Quicksilver" = 150%...=20 This sail actually holds reasonable shape when partially furled.  = Suggest=20 you shop.  I use this sail for cruising AND racing
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Sent: Saturday, February 05, = 2005 11:08=20 AM
Subject: [frers-list]New = Roller-Furling=20 Head Sail

Hi everyone!
I'm currently in contact with North Sails = concerning a new=20 roller furling head sail.
At this time I'm considering a paneled #2, LP =3D=20 135%, but the cloth choices are incredible!
Any suggestions???
>gm
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C50D02.D9B83170-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Feb 4 00:17:43 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (C.Colaris - C-Sails.com) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 01:17:43 +0100 Subject: [frers-list]Anyone familiar with the old Frers 33??? Message-ID: <52cd6a01050203161737351926@mail.gmail.com> Dear Frers, For some time now we have been reading your Frers-list postings. We (= 2 couples from the Netherlands) are the happy owners of a Frers Cirrus 3/4 from '78. We were told that this was the "ancient" version of the Frers 33, they surtainly do have the same looks! (http://shipslog.info/first/archives/nieuws/another_fine_mess.html - http://shipslog.info/first/index.html - http://www.tuxmanro.mine.nu/frers/ ). We really would like to gather more information about this type but don't seem to get anywhere?! Perhaps you have some more info or could help us with some bright ideas where to go to get some more info? (www.germanfrers.com doesn't respond to anything it seems). We are mostly looking for original building plans, history, number of build, etc. Hopefully anyone could give us some info! Thank you in advance, best regards, Christianne Colaris Utrecht, the Netherlands From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 8 12:23:28 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Jim.mormile) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:23:28 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Nationals Message-ID: <006901c50dd9$03802040$0100a8c0@experimental> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C50DAF.157404D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kurt, More Magic is planning on being at the Nationals, we = learned a few things last year and hope to apply them. Looking forward = to it !.=20 We are also planning on doing Block Island race week this year. If = there are any other Frers 33s going it should be fun. Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.833 / Virus Database: 567 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C50DAF.157404D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C50DAF.157404D0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Feb 10 22:26:51 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Kurt Hudson) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:26:51 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Nationals In-Reply-To: <006901c50dd9$03802040$0100a8c0@experimental> Message-ID: <000b01c50fbf$9eb74bf0$02ee210a@Taco> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C50F95.B5E143F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great to hear Jim. We can ask if anyone else is going to BIRW. =20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Jim.mormile Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:23 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Nationals =20 Hi Kurt, More Magic is planning on being at the Nationals, we = learned a few things last year and hope to apply them. Looking forward to it !.=20 We are also planning on doing Block Island race week this year. If = there are any other Frers 33s going it should be fun. Jim =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.833 / Virus Database: 567 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C50F95.B5E143F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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    Hi Kurt, = More Magic is planning on being at the Nationals,  we learned a few = things last year and hope to apply them. Looking forward to it !. =

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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C50F95.B5E143F0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Feb 10 23:31:04 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (John M. Ricci) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:31:04 -0600 Subject: [frers-list]Nationals In-Reply-To: <000b01c50fbf$9eb74bf0$02ee210a@Taco> Message-ID: <001b01c50fc8$97a620d0$8e1f640a@Toughtraveler> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C50F96.4D0BB0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am considering depending on crew - will update when I know. John Ricci ALMA -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Hudson Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:27 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Nationals Great to hear Jim. We can ask if anyone else is going to BIRW. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Jim.mormile Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:23 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Nationals Hi Kurt, More Magic is planning on being at the Nationals, we learned a few things last year and hope to apply them. Looking forward to it !. We are also planning on doing Block Island race week this year. If there are any other Frers 33s going it should be fun. Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.833 / Virus Database: 567 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C50F96.4D0BB0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C50F96.4D0BB0D0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Feb 19 03:14:41 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:14:41 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising Message-ID: <021920050314.20658.4216AF2100029DB0000050B22205886360CCCFC70B9D049C@comcast.net> I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New England coast. Is the boat dry enough for cruising? Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues with the cored hull? Any other advice? Thanks for any info, Rob From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Feb 20 15:36:52 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (john ricci) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:36:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising In-Reply-To: <021920050314.20658.4216AF2100029DB0000050B22205886360CCCFC70B9D049C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050220153652.76044.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Rob, I had a great dodger that came with my boat. It provided great protection from the sun and also had a canopy that extended to the back stay. Unfortunately I sold it because I never cruised. The longest cruise I took my boat on was up from annapolis 4 days when I bought it and it was very comfy for that time. I know Neal Melanson has dome some cruing up in maine with his boat (vapor trail) so hopefully he will chie in. The big problem with teh Frers is the Mast step. Now most of teh boats in the fleet including my own have had this fixed. Other problems that are common are the same ones you will face with any boat. One other thing, when you mention dry... under the stove accumulates some water when the engine is running but a large sponge there solves that problem assuming the stuffing box is in good shape. Hope that helps.... John Ricci ALMA... --- slrd903@comcast.net wrote: > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for > some candid advice. > > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising > capability of the boat? This is truly going to have > be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate > a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year > (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New > England coast. > > Is the boat dry enough for cruising? > > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of > the traveller? > > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How > did she manage? > > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of > typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues, > delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues > with the cored hull? > > Any other advice? > > Thanks for any info, > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Feb 21 03:57:02 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:57:02 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising References: <021920050314.20658.4216AF2100029DB0000050B22205886360CCCFC70B9D049C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006a01c517c9$6a00f480$674da8c0@art8100> Rob, I've only had my boat a little over 2 seasons now. My delivery from Buzzards Bay to Long Island in November 2002, included 2 days of 25 kts straight upwind with 6-8 foot seas, and it was my first time sailing the boat. #3 and double reef was the best balance. Absolutely solid, but use the checkstays in this kind of sailing to protect the mast. Last summer we went to Newport (for Nationals), and our return trip included about 10 hrs of 30 kts directly on the stern, at night, with at least 8' seas, but we really couldn't see the waves through the heavy rain and of course, darkness - we were trying to keep to a schedule. We really shouldn't have been out there, but I never really feared for the boat. For cruising, I recommend wheel steering on this boat since it has such a large rudder. We had a tiller originally and felt it could get out of control. With the wheel, it is easy to control in most conditions (I have an Edson CDi steering system). We haven't done much cruising yet, but we did a 3 day Memorial Day weekend with our two kids (ages 6 & 9). With 15-20kts on the bow 2 out of 3 days, the kids got a little seasick since they insisted on staying below, but the good news is that we made great time so were able to minimize the time they were uncomfortable. When you cruise this boat with a group of other boats, plan to be one of the first to the destination. I think there is plenty of room for the 4 of us for quite a few years. I am 5'10" tall and the head is a little cramped for me, but I would rather have the lower freeboard that affords, than the taller headroom. John mentioned the accumulation of water under the stove. I drilled a limber hole through that member, and coated it with epoxy resin and it helps a lot. The bilge is fairly shallow, so a leaky stuffing box (like mine on my delivery) can quickly develop into water sloshing over the floorboards. You just have to keep an eye on it, and adjust the stuffing box carefully - or go to a dripless system. Certainly have the boat surveyed and check the mast step and for moisture in the core, but most boats have fared very well. Hopefully some of the other owners who do a lot more cruising than us will chime in, but after a lot of research we settled on this boat, and have not been disappointed. Art "Brilliant" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. > > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is > truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a > few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my > wife), up and down the New England coast. > > Is the boat dry enough for cruising? > > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? > > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? > > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues > (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues > with the cored hull? > > Any other advice? > > Thanks for any info, > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Feb 21 17:35:32 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:35:32 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #73 - 2 msgs Message-ID: <022120051735.16943.421A1BE300097FC80000422F2206999735CE9B9B079900@comcast.net> --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16943_1109007332_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rob, Re your questions on the frers for cruising and problems. Yea the mast step is a problem and depending upon how long it was before it was fixed could determine how much it will cost to get done. During the fix of ours they found that water had migrated into the keel root and it took them some time to repair. Now thats the strongest part of the boat. We've had ours out racing on Lake Michigan a couple of times in 28 and 30 kts true and she did fine. We tore up an old # 3 that day, but the boat was fine. In waves she does have a lively action, but maybe thats because Lake Michigan gets some pretty lively waves as compared to the ocean. Comfortable, yes it is. And you can stand up to pee which isn't the case with a lot of other boats like the J 30 or J 105. The only thing I don't like for cruising are the checkstays, but then when you're crusing its usually in one direction and they can be set and forget. Frank Wittosch Pepperke 2.0 Lake Michigan -------------- Original message -------------- > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: frers33 for cruising (john ricci) > 2. Re: frers33 for cruising (Arthur Kelley) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:36:52 -0800 (PST) > From: john ricci > Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > Hi Rob, > I had a great dodger that came with my boat. It > provided great protection from the sun and also had a > canopy that extended to the back stay. Unfortunately I > sold it because I never cruised. The longest cruise I > took my boat on was up from annapolis 4 days when I > bought it and it was very comfy for that time. I know > Neal Melanson has dome some cruing up in maine with > his boat (vapor trail) so hopefully he will chie in. > The big problem with teh Frers is the Mast step. Now > most of teh boats in the fleet including my own have > had this fixed. Other problems that are common are the > same ones you will face with any boat. One other > thing, when you mention dry... under the stove > accumulates some water when the engine is running but > a large sponge there solves that problem assuming the > stuffing box is in good shape. Hope that helps.... > > John Ricci > ALMA... > --- slrd903@comcast.net wrote: > > > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for > > some candid advice. > > > > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising > > capability of the boat? This is truly going to have > > be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate > > a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year > > (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New > > England coast. > > > > Is the boat dry enough for cruising? > > > > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of > > the traveller? > > > > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How > > did she manage? > > > > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of > > typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues, > > delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues > > with the cored hull? > > > > Any other advice? > > > > Thanks for any info, > > > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > > frers-list mailing list > > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:57:02 -0500 > From: Arthur Kelley > Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > Rob, > > I've only had my boat a little over 2 seasons now. My delivery from > Buzzards Bay to Long Island in November 2002, included 2 days of 25 kts > straight upwind with 6-8 foot seas, and it was my first time sailing the > boat. #3 and double reef was the best balance. Absolutely solid, but use > the checkstays in this kind of sailing to protect the mast. > > Last summer we went to Newport (for Nationals), and our return trip included > about 10 hrs of 30 kts directly on the stern, at night, with at least 8' > seas, but we really couldn't see the waves through the heavy rain and of > course, darkness - we were trying to keep to a schedule. We really > shouldn't have been out there, but I never really feared for the boat. For > cruising, I recommend wheel steering on this boat since it has such a large > rudder. We had a tiller originally and felt it could get out of control. > With the wheel, it is easy to control in most conditions (I have an Edson > CDi steering system). > > We haven't done much cruising yet, but we did a 3 day Memorial Day weekend > with our two kids (ages 6 & 9). With 15-20kts on the bow 2 out of 3 days, > the kids got a little seasick since they insisted on staying below, but the > good news is that we made great time so were able to minimize the time they > were uncomfortable. When you cruise this boat with a group of other boats, > plan to be one of the first to the destination. I think there is plenty of > room for the 4 of us for quite a few years. I am 5'10" tall and the head is > a little cramped for me, but I would rather have the lower freeboard that > affords, than the taller headroom. > > John mentioned the accumulation of water under the stove. I drilled a > limber hole through that member, and coated it with epoxy resin and it helps > a lot. The bilge is fairly shallow, so a leaky stuffing box (like mine on > my delivery) can quickly develop into water sloshing over the floorboards. > You just have to keep an eye on it, and adjust the stuffing box carefully - > or go to a dripless system. > > Certainly have the boat surveyed and check the mast step and for moisture in > the core, but most boats have fared very well. > > Hopefully some of the other owners who do a lot more cruising than us will > chime in, but after a lot of research we settled on this boat, and have not > been disappointed. > > Art > "Brilliant" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 PM > Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising > > > > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. > > > > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is > > truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a > > few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my > > wife), up and down the New England coast. > > > > Is the boat dry enough for cruising? > > > > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? > > > > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? > > > > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues > > (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues > > with the cored hull? > > > > Any other advice? > > > > Thanks for any info, > > > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > > frers-list mailing list > > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > > End of frers-list Digest --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16943_1109007332_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Rob,
Re your questions on the frers for cruising and problems. Yea the mast step is a problem and depending upon how long it was before it was fixed could determine how much it will cost to get done. During the fix of ours they found that water had migrated into the keel root and it took them some time to repair. Now thats the strongest part of the boat.
 
We've had ours out racing on Lake Michigan a couple of times in 28 and 30 kts true and she did fine. We tore up an old # 3 that day, but the boat was fine. In waves she does have  a lively action, but maybe thats because Lake Michigan gets some pretty lively waves as compared to the ocean.
 
Comfortable, yes it is. And you can stand up to pee which isn't the case with a lot of other boats like the J 30 or J 105. The only thing I don't like for cruising are the  checkstays, but then when you're crusing its usually in one direction and they can be set and forget.  
Frank Wittosch
Pepperke 2.0
Lake Michigan
 
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> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:36:52 -0800 (PST)
> From: john ricci
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
> Hi Rob,
> I had a great dodger that came with my boat. It
> provided great protection from the sun and also had a
> canopy that extended to the back stay. Unfortunately I
> sold it because I never cruised. The longest cruise I
> took my boat on was up from annapolis 4 days when I
> bought it and it was very comfy for that time. I know
> Neal Melanson has dome some cruing up in maine with
> his boat (vapor trail) so hopefully he will chie in.
> The big problem with teh Frers is the Mast step. Now
> most of teh boats in the fleet including my own have
> had this fixed. Other problems that are common are the
> same ones you will face with any boat. One other
> thing, when you mention dry... under the stove
> accumulates some water when the engine is running but
> a large sponge there solves that problem assuming the
> stuffing box is in good shape. Hope that helps....
>
> John Ricci
> ALMA...
> --- slrd903@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for
> > some candid advice.
> >
> > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising
> > capability of the boat? This is truly going to have
> > be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate
> > a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year
> > (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New
> > England coast.
> >
> > Is the boat dry enough for cruising?
> >
> > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of
> > the traveller?
> >
> > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How
> > did she manage?
> >
> > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of
> > typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues,
> > delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues
> > with the cored hull?
> >
> > Any other advice?
> >
> > Thanks for any info,
> >
> > Rob
> > _______________________________________________
> > frers-list mailing list
> > frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list
> >
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:57:02 -0500
> From: Arthur Kelley
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
> Rob,
>
> I've only had my boat a little over 2 seasons now. My delivery from
> Buzzards Bay to Long Island in November 2002, included 2 days of 25 kts
> straight upwind with 6-8 foot seas, and it was my first time sailing the
> boat. #3 and double reef was the best balance. Absolutely solid, but use
> the checkstays in this kind of sailing to protect the mast.
>
> Last summer we went to Newport (for Nationals), and our return trip included
> about 10 hrs of 30 kts directly on the stern, at night, with at least 8'
> seas, but we really couldn't see the waves through the heavy rain and of
> course, darkness - we were trying to keep to a schedule. We really
> shouldn't have been out there, but I never really feared for the boat. For
> cruising, I recommend wheel steering on this boat since it has such a large
> rudder. We had a tiller originally and felt it could get out of control.
> With the wheel, it is easy to control in most conditions (I have an Edson
> CDi steering system).
>
> We haven't done much cruising yet, but we did a 3 day Memorial Day weekend
> with our two kids (ages 6 & 9). With 15-20kts on the bow 2 out of 3 days,
> the kids got a little seasick since they insisted on staying below, but the
> good news is that we made great time so were able to minimize the time they
> were uncomfortable. When you cruise this boat with a group of other boats,
> plan to be one of the first to the destination. I think there is plenty of
> room for the 4 of us for quite a few years. I am 5'10" tall and the head is
> a little cramped for me, but I would rather have the lower freeboard that
> affords, than the taller headroom.
>
> John mentioned the accumulation of water under the stove. I drilled a
> limber hole through that member, and coated it with epoxy resin and it helps
> a lot. The bilge is fairly shallow, so a leaky stuffing box (like mine on
> my delivery) can quickly develop into water sloshing over the floorboards.
> You just have to keep an eye on it, and adjust the stuffing box carefully -
> or go to a dripless system.
>
> Certainly have the boat surveyed and check the mast step and for moisture in
> the core, but most boats have fared very well.
>
> Hopefully some of the other owners who do a lot more cruising than us will
> chime in, but after a lot of research we settled on this boat, and have not
> been disappointed.
>
> Art
> "Brilliant"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 PM
> Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising
>
>
> > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice.
> >
> > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is
> > truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a
> > few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my
> > wife), up and down the New England coast.
> >
> > Is the boat dry enough for cruising?
> >
> > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller?
> >
> > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage?
> >
> > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues
> > (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues
> > with the cored hull?
> >
> > Any other advice?
> >
> > Thanks for any info,
> >
> > Rob
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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16943_1109007332_0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 22 02:43:06 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bob A.) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:43:06 -0800 Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising References: <021920050314.20658.4216AF2100029DB0000050B22205886360CCCFC70B9D049C@comcast.net> <006a01c517c9$6a00f480$674da8c0@art8100> Message-ID: <006801c51888$3d9ac820$446d8bd1@rames> Hmmm, Art, looks like you know how to pick the weather. Let us know the next time you plan to make your passages, so we'll know when to stay home ! Bob Ames, Chief Beer Fetcher Windswept 3 From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 22 02:17:59 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Capt.Steve) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:17:59 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising References: <006a01c517c9$6a00f480$674da8c0@art8100> Message-ID: <421A9657.000001.02192@GUESTS> --------------Boundary-00=_ZPJAQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought a boat that was hurt by Ivan. I am looking for a bow pulpit. Doe= s anyone know where i can find one? I will be very grateful for any help. I= am attempting to get the boat ready for the charter season here in Destin. =0D =0D Capt.Steve Land=0D Ms. B. Haven Sail Charters=0D next to Lucky Snapper=0D Destin. FL.=0D (850)21-RELAX=0D sail.merriweather.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0D Date: 02/20/05 22:00:03=0D To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0D Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising=0D =0D Rob,=0D =0D I've only had my boat a little over 2 seasons now. My delivery from=0D Buzzards Bay to Long Island in November 2002, included 2 days of 25 kts=0D straight upwind with 6-8 foot seas, and it was my first time sailing the=0D boat. #3 and double reef was the best balance. Absolutely solid, but us= e=0D the checkstays in this kind of sailing to protect the mast.=0D =0D Last summer we went to Newport (for Nationals), and our return trip inclu= ded=0D about 10 hrs of 30 kts directly on the stern, at night, with at least 8'=0D seas, but we really couldn't see the waves through the heavy rain and of=0D course, darkness - we were trying to keep to a schedule. We really=0D shouldn't have been out there, but I never really feared for the boat. F= or=0D cruising, I recommend wheel steering on this boat since it has such a lar= ge=0D rudder. We had a tiller originally and felt it could get out of control.= =0D With the wheel, it is easy to control in most conditions (I have an Edson= =0D CDi steering system).=0D =0D We haven't done much cruising yet, but we did a 3 day Memorial Day weeken= d=0D with our two kids (ages 6 & 9). With 15-20kts on the bow 2 out of 3 days= ,=0D the kids got a little seasick since they insisted on staying below, but t= he=0D good news is that we made great time so were able to minimize the time th= ey=0D were uncomfortable. When you cruise this boat with a group of other boat= s,=0D plan to be one of the first to the destination. I think there is plenty = of=0D room for the 4 of us for quite a few years. I am 5'10" tall and the head= is=0D a little cramped for me, but I would rather have the lower freeboard that= =0D affords, than the taller headroom.=0D =0D John mentioned the accumulation of water under the stove. I drilled a=0D limber hole through that member, and coated it with epoxy resin and it he= lps=0D a lot. The bilge is fairly shallow, so a leaky stuffing box (like mine o= n=0D my delivery) can quickly develop into water sloshing over the floorboards= =2E=0D You just have to keep an eye on it, and adjust the stuffing box carefully= -=0D or go to a dripless system.=0D =0D Certainly have the boat surveyed and check the mast step and for moisture= in=0D the core, but most boats have fared very well.=0D =0D Hopefully some of the other owners who do a lot more cruising than us wil= l=0D chime in, but after a lot of research we settled on this boat, and have n= ot=0D been disappointed.=0D =0D Art=0D "Brilliant"=0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: =0D To: =0D Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 PM=0D Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising=0D =0D =0D > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice.=0D >=0D > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This= is=0D > truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate= a=0D > few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and = my=0D > wife), up and down the New England coast.=0D >=0D > Is the boat dry enough for cruising?=0D >=0D > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller?=0D >=0D > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage?=0D >=0D > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues=0D > (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issu= es=0D > with the cored hull?=0D >=0D > Any other advice?=0D >=0D > Thanks for any info,=0D >=0D > Rob=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > frers-list mailing list=0D > frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0D > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=0D >=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D frers-list mailing list=0D frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0D http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --------------Boundary-00=_ZPJAQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I bought a boat that was hurt by Ivan. I am looking for a bow pulpit= =2E Does anyone know where i can find one? I will be very grateful for an= y help. I am attempting to get the boat ready for the charter season here= in Destin. 
 
Capt.Steve Land
Ms. B. Haven Sail Charters
next to Lucky Snapper
Destin. FL.
(850)21-RELAX
sail.merriweather.com
-------Original Message-------
 
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: 02/20/05 22:= 00:03
Subject: Re: [frer= s-list]frers33 for cruising
 
Rob,
 
I've only had my boat a little over 2 seasons now.  My del= ivery from
Buzzards Bay to Long Island in November 2002, included 2 days of 25 = kts
straight upwind with 6-8 foot seas, and it was my first time sailing= the
boat.  #3 and double reef was the best balance.  = ;Absolutely solid, but use
the checkstays in this kind of sailing to protect the mast.
 
Last summer we went to Newport (for Nationals), and our return trip = included
about 10 hrs of 30 kts directly on the stern, at night, with at leas= t 8'
seas, but we really couldn't see the waves through the heavy rain an= d of
course, darkness - we were trying to keep to a schedule.  = We really
shouldn't have been out there, but I never really feared for the boa= t.  For
cruising, I recommend wheel steering on this boat since it has such = a large
rudder.  We had a tiller originally and felt it could get = out of control.
With the wheel, it is easy to control in most conditions (I have an = Edson
CDi steering system).
 
We haven't done much cruising yet, but we did a 3 day Memorial Day w= eekend
with our two kids (ages 6 & 9).  With 15-20kts on the = bow 2 out of 3 days,
the kids got a little seasick since they insisted on staying below, = but the
good news is that we made great time so were able to minimize the ti= me they
were uncomfortable.  When you cruise this boat with a grou= p of other boats,
plan to be one of the first to the destination.  I think t= here is plenty of
room for the 4 of us for quite a few years.  I am 5'10" ta= ll and the head is
a little cramped for me, but I would rather have the lower freeboard= that
affords, than the taller headroom.
 
John mentioned the accumulation of water under the stove.  = ;I drilled a
limber hole through that member, and coated it with epoxy resin and = it helps
a lot.  The bilge is fairly shallow, so a leaky stuffing b= ox (like mine on
my delivery) can quickly develop into water sloshing over the floorb= oards.
You just have to keep an eye on it, and adjust the stuffing box care= fully -
or go to a dripless system.
 
Certainly have the boat surveyed and check the mast step and for moi= sture in
the core, but most boats have fared very well.
 
Hopefully some of the other owners who do a lot more cruising than u= s will
chime in, but after a lot of research we settled on this boat, and h= ave not
been disappointed.
 
Art
"Brilliant"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 PM
Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising
 
 
> I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid = advice.
>
> Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the bo= at? This is
> truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to acc= ommodate a
> few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just= me and my
> wife), up and down the New England coast.
>
> Is the boat dry enough for cruising?
>
> Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the travel= ler?
>
> Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she mana= ge?
>
> Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey i= ssues
> (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moist= ure issues
> with the cored hull?
>
> Any other advice?
>
> Thanks for any info,
>
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> frers-list mailing list
>
 
 
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3D"Add== --------------Boundary-00=_ZPJAQL80000000000000-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 22 12:16:03 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Albert Francis X NSSC) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:16:03 -0800 Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising Message-ID: <1E52F802C8BFE34E86F198B74FC5E50A683418@nssczeusex9.navsea.navy.mil> Rob, I've had my 33 for two years now and as a cruiser it is an amazing boat. Mine does not have a shower with a sump in the head but with a little work I could install something like that. Mine also does not have hot water but it does have cold pressure water. I could add the hot water heater and have both. The holding tank is a little small but for four folks for a weekend it would be fine. I've had ten on mine for long weekend races and the tank is just about full as we get back after two days. The boat is a fairly dry boat and if you'll take a look at the sheer you'll notice the bow rises on the sheer line. This helps keep the back of the boat fairly dry even in big waves. As for being caught in a blow I was caught in 42 knot winds and 7 foot seas. We were supposed to have 22 knot winds that day with 3 foot seas but a hurricane coming up the coast was hit by high pressure coming down the coast which caused the hurricane to turn around and head back down south. My guess is that the extreme low pressure of the hurricane caused the high pressure winds to really whip up. We started racing with just a reefed main sail heading down wind but within 45 minutes realized we had to retire. For that 45 minutes we sailed at speeds up to 14 knots in 7 foot seas and waves that would break around us as we surfed down them. The boat did just fine although I was a little shaky. Good luck, Frank Albert -----Original Message----- From: slrd903@comcast.net [mailto:slrd903@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 22:15 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New England coast. Is the boat dry enough for cruising? Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues with the cored hull? Any other advice? Thanks for any info, Rob _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 22 15:40:50 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Louise K. Brokaw) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:40:50 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising References: <021920050314.20658.4216AF2100029DB0000050B22205886360CCCFC70B9D049C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000501c518f4$e5eb7f30$6401a8c0@Brokaw> I "outfit" my Frers as two distinct boats. I race the spring season on the Hudson River and cruise into the fall. The spring boat is the light boat. I empty the storage cabinets, put on my UK Kevlars, Take off the dodger, and go fast. the fall boat gets the dacron sails (easier to single hand) I load up the CD's, the wine rack is back and I restock my spare of everything cabinets. I onload n alcohol heater for the chilly evenings. I use plastic milk crates bungee attached on one of the salon seats for dry food, clothing, and other cruise stuff. The boat is comfortable to cruise with 2, tight with 4. Storage is the problem. I did 3 weeks on LI Sound last year and plan to sail the Chesapeake this year. I have a split dodger with a small folding bimini over the helm. I add a zipper flap to attach the bimini to the dodger. Works great. Installer was Patino Canvas in Haverstraw NY I got caught single handling last season in the remnants of Ivan last fall on the LI Sound. With the dodger the boat stayed dry. Wished I had mure diesel HP. Have sailed in 25 KN + with single reef and partially furled genoa. Main worry was close spaced chop, lot of pounding. When I bought the Frers, my dream boat was a J 32, but could not afford. The broker tolkd me what I really wanted was a Frers. Until last year, all my sailing was cruising. My yard guy "made me race", after all I owned a racer. Now I do both. Have gone to several boatshows since purchase in 2003, I come home liking my Frers the best of what I see atr the shows. My wife is thrilled as I really do not have the 3 -4 year trade up syndrome anymore. Hope this helps.. Staats ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. > > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is > truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a > few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my > wife), up and down the New England coast. > > Is the boat dry enough for cruising? > > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? > > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? > > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues > (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues > with the cored hull? > > Any other advice? > > Thanks for any info, > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Feb 23 02:27:14 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Richard Saunders) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:27:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising In-Reply-To: <021920050314.20658.4216AF2100029DB0000050B22205886360CCCFC70B9D049C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050223022714.19541.qmail@web80308.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1486101107-1109125634=:16274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've read with interest the several replies you've received regarding the suitablility of the Frers 33 for cruising. I also have been looking to buy one and if I did it would be a dual purpose boat as welll. For cruising, one thing no one has mentioned is the storing and deployment of ground tackle. Since there is no anchor well I'd be curious to hear how people are handling the anchor, chain and rode. I see some boats have had a hawse pipe installed and carry the chain & rode in the storage area foward of the v-berth and perhaps carry a Danforth style anchor from a holder on the bow pulpit. How does this work out? What other solutions work well? Dick Saunders Westbrook, CT slrd903@comcast.net wrote: I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New England coast. Is the boat dry enough for cruising? Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues with the cored hull? Any other advice? Thanks for any info, Rob _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --0-1486101107-1109125634=:16274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I've read with interest the several replies you've received regarding the suitablility of the Frers 33 for cruising.  I also have been looking to buy one and if I did it would be a dual purpose boat as welll.  For cruising, one thing no one has mentioned is the storing and deployment of ground tackle.  Since there is no anchor well I'd be curious to hear how people are handling the anchor, chain and rode.  I see some boats have had a hawse pipe installed and carry the chain & rode in the storage area foward of the v-berth and perhaps carry a Danforth style anchor from a holder on the bow pulpit.  How does this work out?  What other solutions work well?
 
Dick Saunders
Westbrook, CT
 
 
I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice.

Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New England coast.

Is the boat dry enough for cruising?

Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller?

Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage?

Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues with the cored hull?

Any other advice?

Thanks for any info,

Rob
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--0-1486101107-1109125634=:16274-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 22 14:47:04 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Allan Heyward) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:47:04 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c518ed$6596bae0$6f00a8c0@ALLAN> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C518C3.7CC0B2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tops in Quality (ph 810-364-7150) was the original provider. I got a replacement from them in 2001. Though it was not an exact match, it has been very satisfactory. Allan M. Heyward, Jr. COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C. 804-747-4500 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Capt.Steve Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:18 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising I bought a boat that was hurt by Ivan. I am looking for a bow pulpit. Does anyone know where i can find one? I will be very grateful for any help. I am attempting to get the boat ready for the charter season here in Destin. Capt.Steve Land Ms. B. Haven Sail Charters next to Lucky Snapper Destin. FL. (850)21-RELAX sail.merriweather.com -------Original Message------- From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: 02/20/05 22:00:03 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising Rob, I've only had my boat a little over 2 seasons now. My delivery from Buzzards Bay to Long Island in November 2002, included 2 days of 25 kts straight upwind with 6-8 foot seas, and it was my first time sailing the boat. #3 and double reef was the best balance. Absolutely solid, but use the checkstays in this kind of sailing to protect the mast. Last summer we went to Newport (for Nationals), and our return trip included about 10 hrs of 30 kts directly on the stern, at night, with at least 8' seas, but we really couldn't see the waves through the heavy rain and of course, darkness - we were trying to keep to a schedule. We really shouldn't have been out there, but I never really feared for the boat. For cruising, I recommend wheel steering on this boat since it has such a large rudder. We had a tiller originally and felt it could get out of control. With the wheel, it is easy to control in most conditions (I have an Edson CDi steering system). We haven't done much cruising yet, but we did a 3 day Memorial Day weekend with our two kids (ages 6 & 9). With 15-20kts on the bow 2 out of 3 days, the kids got a little seasick since they insisted on staying below, but the good news is that we made great time so were able to minimize the time they were uncomfortable. When you cruise this boat with a group of other boats, plan to be one of the first to the destination. I think there is plenty of room for the 4 of us for quite a few years. I am 5'10" tall and the head is a little cramped for me, but I would rather have the lower freeboard that affords, than the taller headroom. John mentioned the accumulation of water under the stove. I drilled a limber hole through that member, and coated it with epoxy resin and it helps a lot. The bilge is fairly shallow, so a leaky stuffing box (like mine on my delivery) can quickly develop into water sloshing over the floorboards. You just have to keep an eye on it, and adjust the stuffing box carefully - or go to a dripless system. Certainly have the boat surveyed and check the mast step and for moisture in the core, but most boats have fared very well. Hopefully some of the other owners who do a lot more cruising than us will chime in, but after a lot of research we settled on this boat, and have not been disappointed. Art "Brilliant" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. > > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is > truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a > few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my > wife), up and down the New England coast. > > Is the boat dry enough for cruising? > > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? > > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? > > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues > (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues > with the cored hull? > > Any other advice? > > Thanks for any info, > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list Add FUN to your email - CLICK HERE! ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C518C3.7CC0B2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tops in Quality (ph 810-364-7150) = was the original provider.  I got a replacement from them in 2001.  = Though it was not an exact match, it has been very satisfactory.

 

Allan M. Heyward, = Jr.

COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & = FEEHAN, P.C.

804-747-4500

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Capt.Steve
Sent: Monday, February = 21, 2005 9:18 PM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: = [frers-list]frers33 for cruising

 

I bought a boat that was hurt by Ivan. I am looking = for a bow pulpit. Does anyone know where i can find one? I will be very = grateful for any help. I am attempting to get the boat ready for the charter = season here in Destin. 

 

Capt.Steve Land

Ms. B. Haven Sail Charters

next to Lucky Snapper

Destin. FL.

(850)21-RELAX

sail.merriweather.com

-------Original = Message-------

 

Date:= 02/20/05 22:00:03

Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising

 

Rob,

 

I've only had my boat a little over 2 seasons now.  My delivery from

Buzzards Bay to Long Island in November 2002, = included 2 days of 25 kts

straight upwind with 6-8 foot seas, and it was my = first time sailing the

boat.  #3 and double reef was the best balance.  Absolutely solid, but use

the checkstays in this kind of sailing to protect = the mast.

 

Last summer we went to Newport (for Nationals), and = our return trip included

about 10 hrs of 30 kts directly on the stern, at = night, with at least 8'

seas, but we really couldn't see the waves through = the heavy rain and of

course, darkness - we were trying to keep to a schedule.  We really

shouldn't have been out there, but I never really = feared for the boat.  For

cruising, I recommend wheel steering on this boat = since it has such a large

rudder.  We had a tiller originally and = felt it could get out of control.

With the wheel, it is easy to control in most = conditions (I have an Edson

CDi steering system).

 

We haven't done much cruising yet, but we did a 3 = day Memorial Day weekend

with our two kids (ages 6 & 9).  With 15-20kts on the bow 2 out of 3 days,

the kids got a little seasick since they insisted = on staying below, but the

good news is that we made great time so were able = to minimize the time they

were uncomfortable.  When you cruise this = boat with a group of other boats,

plan to be one of the first to the destination.  I think there is plenty of

room for the 4 of us for quite a few = years.  I am 5'10" tall and the head is

a little cramped for me, but I would rather have = the lower freeboard that

affords, than the taller = headroom.

 

John mentioned the accumulation of water under the stove.  I drilled a

limber hole through that member, and coated it with = epoxy resin and it helps

a lot.  The bilge is fairly shallow, so a = leaky stuffing box (like mine on

my delivery) can quickly develop into water = sloshing over the floorboards.

You just have to keep an eye on it, and adjust the stuffing box carefully -

or go to a dripless system.

 

Certainly have the boat surveyed and check the mast = step and for moisture in

the core, but most boats have fared very = well.

 

Hopefully some of the other owners who do a lot = more cruising than us will

chime in, but after a lot of research we settled on = this boat, and have not

been disappointed.

 

Art

"Brilliant"

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 = PM

Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for = cruising

 

 

> I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking = for some candid advice.

>

> Can anyone comment on the overall cruising = capability of the boat? This is

> truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and = will have to accommodate a

> few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per = year (usually just me and my

> wife), up and down the New England = coast.

>

> Is the boat dry enough for = cruising?

>

> Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in = front of the traveller?

>

> Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. = How did she manage?

>

> Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues

> (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). = Any serious moisture issues

> with the cored hull?

>

> Any other advice?

>

> Thanks for any info,

>

> Rob

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>

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C518C3.7CC0B2E0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Feb 23 15:58:39 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bottaro, Donald (NIH/NCI)) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:58:39 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #75 - 3 msgs Message-ID: My wife and I sail our Frers 33 on the Chesapeake Bay and find that it is a very comfortable cruising boat for two people for a few weeks. In winds over 30kts on the nose the boat can pound in the steep Chesapeake chop, which used to knock the chocks out of the partners, but spartite cured that. In general this boat is very strong for its displacement. I considered at length making an anchor locker forward while in the interim securing the anchor in the cockpit locker and using the biggest danforth I could carry easily to the fordeck. The interim plan was fine and has become the permanent routine. I use an aluminum fortress FX37 (~21 lbs), with 7' x 3/8" chain and 250' x 1/2" nylon rode in a bag. I am middle age and build and can bring both anchor and bag to the foredeck quickly. While this may seem cumbersome it does keep the weight and water out of the bow and maintains its designed structural integrity. The anchor is secured upright in a simple 2-part homemade mount: the lower part is epoxied to the hull, immobilizing the anchor such that no sharp anchor parts contact the hull itself. The shank is captured by two short blocks epoxied to the top of the inside locker wall; a steel pin with a detent ball passes thru the hole for the shackle and both blocks, and a short line from pin to mount keeps the pin from getting lost. The FX37 is the largest anchor that will fit upright in the locker and thru the opening. This puts the weight pretty close to the fuel tank where it is insignificant compared to that of the fuel. This anchor has remarkable holding power in the sand and mud of the chesapeake. I carry a rode rider (22 lb bronze kellet) for anchoring in high winds and the combination has held the boat in 50 kts. Don Bottaro PLEASE NOTE NEW MAIL ADDRESS AS OF OCT 18, 2004 (other contact information is unchanged) Donald P Bottaro, PhD Urologic Oncology Branch Center for Cancer Research National Cancer Institute Bldg 10, CRC, RM 1 West 3961 10 Center Drive MSC 1107 Bethesda, MD 20892-1107 USA Tel 301-402-6499 (direct & voice mail) 301-496-6353 (branch office & paging) Fax 301-402-0922 Email dbottaro@helix.nih.gov -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:02 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #75 - 3 msgs Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: frers33 for cruising (Albert Francis X NSSC) 2. Re: frers33 for cruising (Louise K. Brokaw) 3. Re: frers33 for cruising (Richard Saunders) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Albert Francis X NSSC To: "'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'" Subject: RE: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:16:03 -0800 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Rob, I've had my 33 for two years now and as a cruiser it is an amazing boat. Mine does not have a shower with a sump in the head but with a little work I could install something like that. Mine also does not have hot water but it does have cold pressure water. I could add the hot water heater and have both. The holding tank is a little small but for four folks for a weekend it would be fine. I've had ten on mine for long weekend races and the tank is just about full as we get back after two days. The boat is a fairly dry boat and if you'll take a look at the sheer you'll notice the bow rises on the sheer line. This helps keep the back of the boat fairly dry even in big waves. As for being caught in a blow I was caught in 42 knot winds and 7 foot seas. We were supposed to have 22 knot winds that day with 3 foot seas but a hurricane coming up the coast was hit by high pressure coming down the coast which caused the hurricane to turn around and head back down south. My guess is that the extreme low pressure of the hurricane caused the high pressure winds to really whip up. We started racing with just a reefed main sail heading down wind but within 45 minutes realized we had to retire. For that 45 minutes we sailed at speeds up to 14 knots in 7 foot seas and waves that would break around us as we surfed down them. The boat did just fine although I was a little shaky. Good luck, Frank Albert -----Original Message----- From: slrd903@comcast.net [mailto:slrd903@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 22:15 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New England coast. Is the boat dry enough for cruising? Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues with the cored hull? Any other advice? Thanks for any info, Rob _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Louise K. Brokaw" To: Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:40:50 -0500 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com I "outfit" my Frers as two distinct boats. I race the spring season on the Hudson River and cruise into the fall. The spring boat is the light boat. I empty the storage cabinets, put on my UK Kevlars, Take off the dodger, and go fast. the fall boat gets the dacron sails (easier to single hand) I load up the CD's, the wine rack is back and I restock my spare of everything cabinets. I onload n alcohol heater for the chilly evenings. I use plastic milk crates bungee attached on one of the salon seats for dry food, clothing, and other cruise stuff. The boat is comfortable to cruise with 2, tight with 4. Storage is the problem. I did 3 weeks on LI Sound last year and plan to sail the Chesapeake this year. I have a split dodger with a small folding bimini over the helm. I add a zipper flap to attach the bimini to the dodger. Works great. Installer was Patino Canvas in Haverstraw NY I got caught single handling last season in the remnants of Ivan last fall on the LI Sound. With the dodger the boat stayed dry. Wished I had mure diesel HP. Have sailed in 25 KN + with single reef and partially furled genoa. Main worry was close spaced chop, lot of pounding. When I bought the Frers, my dream boat was a J 32, but could not afford. The broker tolkd me what I really wanted was a Frers. Until last year, all my sailing was cruising. My yard guy "made me race", after all I owned a racer. Now I do both. Have gone to several boatshows since purchase in 2003, I come home liking my Frers the best of what I see atr the shows. My wife is thrilled as I really do not have the 3 -4 year trade up syndrome anymore. Hope this helps.. Staats ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. > > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is > truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a > few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my > wife), up and down the New England coast. > > Is the boat dry enough for cruising? > > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? > > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? > > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues > (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues > with the cored hull? > > Any other advice? > > Thanks for any info, > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:27:14 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Saunders Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com --0-1486101107-1109125634=:16274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've read with interest the several replies you've received regarding the suitablility of the Frers 33 for cruising. I also have been looking to buy one and if I did it would be a dual purpose boat as welll. For cruising, one thing no one has mentioned is the storing and deployment of ground tackle. Since there is no anchor well I'd be curious to hear how people are handling the anchor, chain and rode. I see some boats have had a hawse pipe installed and carry the chain & rode in the storage area foward of the v-berth and perhaps carry a Danforth style anchor from a holder on the bow pulpit. How does this work out? What other solutions work well? Dick Saunders Westbrook, CT slrd903@comcast.net wrote: I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New England coast. Is the boat dry enough for cruising? Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues with the cored hull? Any other advice? Thanks for any info, Rob _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --0-1486101107-1109125634=:16274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I've read with interest the several replies you've received regarding the suitablility of the Frers 33 for cruising.  I also have been looking to buy one and if I did it would be a dual purpose boat as welll.  For cruising, one thing no one has mentioned is the storing and deployment of ground tackle.  Since there is no anchor well I'd be curious to hear how people are handling the anchor, chain and rode.  I see some boats have had a hawse pipe installed and carry the chain & rode in the storage area foward of the v-berth and perhaps carry a Danforth style anchor from a holder on the bow pulpit.  How does this work out?  What other solutions work well?
 
Dick Saunders
Westbrook, CT
 
 
I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice.

Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New England coast.

Is the boat dry enough for cruising?

Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller?

Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage?

Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues with the cored hull?

Any other advice?

Thanks for any info,

Rob
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I've been reading abut the "mast step = problem.  I had my yard guy look at it but I'm not sure he's tuned=20 in.  What exactly is the problem and what is observed. Need to get = race=20 prepped ASAP
Thanks. Staats Brokaw
 "Freyja" soon to be "Pchomp=20 Pchomp"
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