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Rob,
Re your questions on the frers for cruising and problems. Yea the mast step is a problem and depending upon how long it was before it was fixed could determine how much it will cost to get done. During the fix of ours they found that water had migrated into the keel root and it took them some time to repair. Now thats the strongest part of the boat.
We've had ours out racing on Lake Michigan a couple of times in 28 and 30 kts true and she did fine. We tore up an old # 3 that day, but the boat was fine. In waves she does have a lively action, but maybe thats because Lake Michigan gets some pretty lively waves as compared to the ocean.
Comfortable, yes it is. And you can stand up to pee which isn't the case with a lot of other boats like the J 30 or J 105. The only thing I don't like for cruising are the checkstays, but then when you're crusing its usually in one direction and they can be set and forget.
Frank Wittosch
Pepperke 2.0
Lake Michigan
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> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:36:52 -0800 (PST)
> From: john ricci
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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> Hi Rob,
> I had a great dodger that came with my boat. It
> provided great protection from the sun and also had a
> canopy that extended to the back stay. Unfortunately I
> sold it because I never cruised. The longest cruise I
> took my boat on was up from annapolis 4 days when I
> bought it and it was very comfy for that time. I know
> Neal Melanson has dome some cruing up in maine with
> his boat (vapor trail) so hopefully he will chie in.
> The big problem with teh Frers is the Mast step. Now
> most of teh boats in the fleet including my own have
> had this fixed. Other problems that are common are the
> same ones you will face with any boat. One other
> thing, when you mention dry... under the stove
> accumulates some water when the engine is running but
> a large sponge there solves that problem assuming the
> stuffing box is in good shape. Hope that helps....
>
> John Ricci
> ALMA...
> --- slrd903@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for
> > some candid advice.
> >
> > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising
> > capability of the boat? This is truly going to have
> > be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate
> > a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year
> > (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New
> > England coast.
> >
> > Is the boat dry enough for cruising?
> >
> > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of
> > the traveller?
> >
> > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How
> > did she manage?
> >
> > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of
> > typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues,
> > delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues
> > with the cored hull?
> >
> > Any other advice?
> >
> > Thanks for any info,
> >
> > Rob
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> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:57:02 -0500
> From: Arthur Kelley
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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> Rob,
>
> I've only had my boat a little over 2 seasons now. My delivery from
> Buzzards Bay to Long Island in November 2002, included 2 days of 25 kts
> straight upwind with 6-8 foot seas, and it was my first time sailing the
> boat. #3 and double reef was the best balance. Absolutely solid, but use
> the checkstays in this kind of sailing to protect the mast.
>
> Last summer we went to Newport (for Nationals), and our return trip included
> about 10 hrs of 30 kts directly on the stern, at night, with at least 8'
> seas, but we really couldn't see the waves through the heavy rain and of
> course, darkness - we were trying to keep to a schedule. We really
> shouldn't have been out there, but I never really feared for the boat. For
> cruising, I recommend wheel steering on this boat since it has such a large
> rudder. We had a tiller originally and felt it could get out of control.
> With the wheel, it is easy to control in most conditions (I have an Edson
> CDi steering system).
>
> We haven't done much cruising yet, but we did a 3 day Memorial Day weekend
> with our two kids (ages 6 & 9). With 15-20kts on the bow 2 out of 3 days,
> the kids got a little seasick since they insisted on staying below, but the
> good news is that we made great time so were able to minimize the time they
> were uncomfortable. When you cruise this boat with a group of other boats,
> plan to be one of the first to the destination. I think there is plenty of
> room for the 4 of us for quite a few years. I am 5'10" tall and the head is
> a little cramped for me, but I would rather have the lower freeboard that
> affords, than the taller headroom.
>
> John mentioned the accumulation of water under the stove. I drilled a
> limber hole through that member, and coated it with epoxy resin and it helps
> a lot. The bilge is fairly shallow, so a leaky stuffing box (like mine on
> my delivery) can quickly develop into water sloshing over the floorboards.
> You just have to keep an eye on it, and adjust the stuffing box carefully -
> or go to a dripless system.
>
> Certainly have the boat surveyed and check the mast step and for moisture in
> the core, but most boats have fared very well.
>
> Hopefully some of the other owners who do a lot more cruising than us will
> chime in, but after a lot of research we settled on this boat, and have not
> been disappointed.
>
> Art
> "Brilliant"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 PM
> Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising
>
>
> > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice.
> >
> > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is
> > truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a
> > few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my
> > wife), up and down the New England coast.
> >
> > Is the boat dry enough for cruising?
> >
> > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller?
> >
> > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage?
> >
> > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues
> > (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues
> > with the cored hull?
> >
> > Any other advice?
> >
> > Thanks for any info,
> >
> > Rob
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> > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list
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<DIV>Rob,</DIV>
<DIV>Re your questions on the frers for cruising and problems. Yea the mast step is a problem and depending upon how long it was before it was fixed could determine how much it will cost to get done. During the fix of ours they found that water had migrated into the keel root and it took them some time to repair. Now thats the strongest part of the boat. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We've had ours out racing on Lake Michigan a couple of times in 28 and 30 kts true and she did fine. We tore up an old # 3 that day, but the boat was fine. In waves she does have a lively action, but maybe thats because Lake Michigan gets some pretty lively waves as compared to the ocean. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Comfortable, yes it is. And you can stand up to pee which isn't the case with a lot of other boats like the J 30 or J 105. The only thing I don't like for cruising are the checkstays, but then when you're crusing its usually in one direction and they can be set and forget. </DIV>
<DIV>Frank Wittosch</DIV>
<DIV>Pepperke 2.0</DIV>
<DIV>Lake Michigan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>> Send frers-list mailing list submissions to <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <BR>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list <BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <BR>> frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at <BR>> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific <BR>> than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today's Topics: <BR>> <BR>> 1. Re: frers33 for cruising (john ricci) <BR>> 2. Re: frers33 for cruising (Arthur Kelley) <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 1 <BR>> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:36:52 -0800 (PST) <BR>> From: john ricci <TOUGHTRAVELER@YAHOO.COM><BR>> Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> Hi Rob, <BR>> I had a great dodger that came with my boat. It <BR>> provided great protection from the sun and also had a <BR>> canopy that extended to the back stay. Unfortunately I <BR>> sold it because I never cruised. The longest cruise I <BR>> took my boat on was up from annapolis 4 days when I <BR>> bought it and it was very comfy for that time. I know <BR>> Neal Melanson has dome some cruing up in maine with <BR>> his boat (vapor trail) so hopefully he will chie in. <BR>> The big problem with teh Frers is the Mast step. Now <BR>> most of teh boats in the fleet including my own have <BR>> had this fixed. Other problems that are common are the <BR>> same ones you will face with any boat. One other <BR>> thing, when you mention dry... under the stove <BR>> accumulates some water when the engine is running but <BR>> a large sponge there solves that problem assuming the <BR>> stuffing box is in good shape. Hope that helps.... <BR>> <BR>> John Ricci <BR>> ALMA... <BR>> --- slrd903@comcast.net wrote: <BR>> <BR>> > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for <BR>> > some candid advice. <BR>> > <BR>> > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising <BR>> > capability of the boat? This is truly going to have <BR>> > be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate <BR>> > a few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year <BR>> > (usually just me and my wife), up and down the New <BR>> > England coast. <BR>> > <BR>> > Is the boat dry enough for cruising? <BR>> > <BR>> > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of <BR>> > the traveller? <BR>> > <BR>> > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How <BR>> > did she manage? <BR>> > <BR>> > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of <BR>> > typical survey issues (i.e., mast step issues, <BR>> > delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues <BR>> > with the cored hull? <BR>> > <BR>> > Any other advice? <BR>> > <BR>> > Thanks for any info, <BR>> > <BR>> > Rob <BR>> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > frers-list mailing list <BR>> > frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> __________________________________ <BR>> Do you Yahoo!? <BR>> Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. <BR>> http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 2 <BR>> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:57:02 -0500 <BR>> From: Arthur Kelley <AKELLEY@OPTONLINE.NET><BR>> Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> Rob, <BR>> <BR>> I've only had my boat a little over 2 seasons now. My delivery from <BR>> Buzzards Bay to Long Island in November 2002, included 2 days of 25 kts <BR>> straight upwind with 6-8 foot seas, and it was my first time sailing the <BR>> boat. #3 and double reef was the best balance. Absolutely solid, but use <BR>> the checkstays in this kind of sailing to protect the mast. <BR>> <BR>> Last summer we went to Newport (for Nationals), and our return trip included <BR>> about 10 hrs of 30 kts directly on the stern, at night, with at least 8' <BR>> seas, but we really couldn't see the waves through the heavy rain and of <BR>> course, darkness - we were trying to keep to a schedule. We really <BR>> shouldn't have been out there, but I never really feared for the boat. For <BR>> cruising, I recommend wheel steering on this boat since it has such a large <BR>> rudder. We had a tiller originally and felt it could get out of control. <BR>> With the wheel, it is easy to control in most conditions (I have an Edson <BR>> CDi steering system). <BR>> <BR>> We haven't done much cruising yet, but we did a 3 day Memorial Day weekend <BR>> with our two kids (ages 6 & 9). With 15-20kts on the bow 2 out of 3 days, <BR>> the kids got a little seasick since they insisted on staying below, but the <BR>> good news is that we made great time so were able to minimize the time they <BR>> were uncomfortable. When you cruise this boat with a group of other boats, <BR>> plan to be one of the first to the destination. I think there is plenty of <BR>> room for the 4 of us for quite a few years. I am 5'10" tall and the head is <BR>> a little cramped for me, but I would rather have the lower freeboard that <BR>> affords, than the taller headroom. <BR>> <BR>> John mentioned the accumulation of water under the stove. I drilled a <BR>> limber hole through that member, and coated it with epoxy resin and it helps <BR>> a lot. The bilge is fairly shallow, so a leaky stuffing box (like mine on <BR>> my delivery) can quickly develop into water sloshing over the floorboards. <BR>> You just have to keep an eye on it, and adjust the stuffing box carefully - <BR>> or go to a dripless system. <BR>> <BR>> Certainly have the boat surveyed and check the mast step and for moisture in <BR>> the core, but most boats have fared very well. <BR>> <BR>> Hopefully some of the other owners who do a lot more cruising than us will <BR>> chime in, but after a lot of research we settled on this boat, and have not <BR>> been disappointed. <BR>> <BR>> Art <BR>> "Brilliant" <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <SLRD903@COMCAST.NET><BR>> To: <FRERS-LIST@LISTS.FRERS33.COM><BR>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:14 PM <BR>> Subject: [frers-list]frers33 for cruising <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > I'm looking for a clean frers33 and am looking for some candid advice. <BR>> > <BR>> > Can anyone comment on the overall cruising capability of the boat? This is <BR>> > truly going to have be a dual purpose boat and will have to accommodate a <BR>> > few long weekends (maybe up to 5-7 days) per year (usually just me and my <BR>> > wife), up and down the New England coast. <BR>> > <BR>> > Is the boat dry enough for cruising? <BR>> > <BR>> > Has anyone managed to fit a short dodger in front of the traveller? <BR>> > <BR>> > Has anyone been caught in a blow in a frers33. How did she manage? <BR>> > <BR>> > Any advice on what to look out for in terms of typical survey issues <BR>> > (i.e., mast step issues, delamination, etc.). Any serious moisture issues <BR>> > with the cored hull? <BR>> > <BR>> > Any other advice? <BR>> > <BR>> > Thanks for any info, <BR>> > <BR>> > Rob <BR>> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > frers-list mailing list <BR>> > frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________ <BR>> frers-list mailing list <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> End of frers-list Digest </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>
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