From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Sep 4 19:07:42 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:07:42 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Crew Needed: Larchmont NOODs Message-ID: <008401c5b17b$8c2cb0c0$674da8c0@art8100> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_rfKCXFJrVv3c65JKsLy22A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Tease is looking for crew this upcoming weekend in Larchmont for the NOODs. They especially need foredeck & main trimmer. Contact Eric Kerman directly at EDK40@aol.com or cell 516 658 3955. This is a great chance for prospective owners to check out the boats, non-racing owners to experience the thrill of racing a Frers, and idle crew to get another race in before the season is over! Please forward to any interested crew. We hope to see you there! Art --Boundary_(ID_rfKCXFJrVv3c65JKsLy22A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Tease is looking for crew this upcoming weekend in Larchmont for the NOODs.  They especially need foredeck & main trimmer.  Contact Eric Kerman directly at EDK40@aol.com or cell 516  658  3955.
 
This is a great chance for prospective owners to check out the boats, non-racing owners to experience the thrill of racing a Frers, and idle crew to get another race in before the season is over!  Please forward to any interested crew.
 
We hope to see you there!
 
Art
--Boundary_(ID_rfKCXFJrVv3c65JKsLy22A)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Sep 6 16:37:18 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (John M. Ricci) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:37:18 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Crew Needed: Larchmont NOODs In-Reply-To: <008401c5b17b$8c2cb0c0$674da8c0@art8100> References: <008401c5b17b$8c2cb0c0$674da8c0@art8100> Message-ID: <431DB7AE.9020006@ekit-inc.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030002000704060902090002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Art, I would be willing to make the trip...... let me know if you still need people. John Ricci "ALMA" Arthur Kelley wrote: > Tease is looking for crew this upcoming weekend in Larchmont for the > NOODs. They especially need foredeck & main trimmer. Contact Eric > Kerman directly at EDK40@aol.com or cell 516 > 658 3955. > > This is a great chance for prospective owners to check out the > boats, non-racing owners to experience the thrill of racing a Frers, > and idle crew to get another race in before the season is over! > Please forward to any interested crew. > > We hope to see you there! > > Art --------------030002000704060902090002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Art,
I would be willing to make the trip...... let me know if you still need people.

John Ricci
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Arthur Kelley wrote:
Tease is looking for crew this upcoming weekend in Larchmont for the NOODs.  They especially need foredeck & main trimmer.  Contact Eric Kerman directly at EDK40@aol.com or cell 516  658  3955.
 
This is a great chance for prospective owners to check out the boats, non-racing owners to experience the thrill of racing a Frers, and idle crew to get another race in before the season is over!  Please forward to any interested crew.
 
We hope to see you there!
 
Art
--------------030002000704060902090002-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Sep 7 18:29:19 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Neal Melanson) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:29:19 -0600 Subject: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000. Message-ID: <0763FC1F7DCAFD4D826621A8FA39DCC106E80C@MC4EXCH01.mcdata.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3D1.ADEAE04D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With regrets, its time to move on. Vapor Trail is for sail. =0D =0D Arthur Kelly, Would you please insert this into the "For Sale" section of= our Web Site? =0D =0D 1986 Carroll Marine built Frers 33, $55,000. All new North racing sails in= the last 3 years, includes a full set of older race sails= Delivery/cruising sails, 5 Spinnakers. New Standing and running rigging= in 2004 - rod, turnbuckles, Head Foil, Halyards and New Awlgrip paint by= Hall Spars on the mast, boom, & pole. Bottom is race prepped with= ablative Awlgrip Awlstar. This is a tiller boat - very Yanmar 16hp 2GM. = Pressure H & C Water, Ice Box, Origo Oven/Stove, DataMarine/KVH= instruments, VHF, GPS, AutoHelm. Winter Storage is negotiable. Please= contact coldandwet@yahoo.com =0D =0D Cheers, =0D Neal Melanson SPECIAL NOTICE=0D All information transmitted hereby is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named above and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of confidential and privileged information is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that= disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Anyone who receives confidential and privileged information in error should notify us immediately by telephone and mail the original message to us at the above address and destroy all copies. To the extent any portion of= this communication contains public information, no such restrictions apply to= that information. (gate02) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3D1.ADEAE04D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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1986 Carroll Marine built Frers= 33,=0D $55,000.  All new North racing sails in the last 3 years, includes a= full=0D set of older race sails Delivery/cruising sails, 5= Spinnakers.  New=0D Standing and running rigging in 2004 - rod, turnbuckles, Head Foil,= Halyards and=0D New Awlgrip paint by Hall Spars on the mast, boom, &=0D  pole.  Bottom is race prepped with ablative Awlgrip= Awlstar. =0D This is a tiller boat - very Yanmar 16hp 2GM.  Pressure H & C= Water,=0D Ice Box, Origo Oven/Stove,  DataMarine/KVH instruments, VHF, GPS,=0D AutoHelm.  Winter Storage is negotiable.  Please contact coldandwet@yahoo.com
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5B5DF.C434DB60-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Sep 11 17:05:13 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:05:13 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]re: frers wanted In-Reply-To: <20050911050202.C43DA61BB1@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20050911050202.C43DA61BB1@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <8C78501BA6BA1AD-C90-426D@MBLK-M03.sysops.aol.com> ----------MailBlocks_8C78501BA6BA1AD_C90_3A45_MBLK-M03.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm thinking about moving up - I have Star*Gazer in South Dartmouth Ma. ( see the web site under The Boats) my cell is 860 833 4886 NANCY OGDEN CAMPBELL & CO. 860 677 1060 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:02:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #132 - 1 msg Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Frers 33 wanted (johnatha morse) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "johnatha morse" To: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:15:12 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 wanted Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5B5DF.C434DB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for a 33. Anyone willing to part with one. Jonathan ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5B5DF.C434DB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 I'm thinking about moving up - I have Star*Gazer in South Dartmouth Ma. ( see the web site under The Boats)
my cell is 860 833 4886
 
NANCY OGDEN
CAMPBELL & CO.
860 677 1060
 
 
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----------MailBlocks_8C78501BA6BA1AD_C90_3A45_MBLK-M03.sysops.aol.com-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Sep 11 23:42:00 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (johnatha morse) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:42:00 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]re: frers wanted References: <20050911050202.C43DA61BB1@mailman.siteprotect.com> <8C78501BA6BA1AD-C90-426D@MBLK-M03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c5b722$062cfd70$3f684044@s1100530160> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5B700.7EB26270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nancy; I made an offer on a boat today. However, I would like to hear what you = may have. Please call 508.627.9153 Jonathan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: nogden2@aol.com=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: [frers-list]re: frers wanted I'm thinking about moving up - I have Star*Gazer in South Dartmouth = Ma. ( see the web site under The Boats) my cell is 860 833 4886 NANCY OGDEN CAMPBELL & CO. 860 677 1060 =20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:02:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #132 - 1 msg Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Frers 33 wanted (johnatha morse) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "johnatha morse" To: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:15:12 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 wanted Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=3D_NextPart_000_0003_01C5B5DF.C434DB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for a 33. Anyone willing to part with one. Jonathan ------=3D_NextPart_000_0003_01C5B5DF.C434DB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5B700.7EB26270-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Sep 13 15:28:35 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:28:35 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa Message-ID: <739F9600DCB1FF47AFEA52036723D4610207DF3B@naeanrfkez09.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil> Wanted to get back with everyone and report results on my new number 2. I wound up buy a UK tape drive #2 for two reasons. First, they UK guys = were a bit less than the North 3DLs which have just skyrocketed in the = last two years. Second, since I knew the wind range I was interested in = was about 12 to 19 knots the stronger UK tape drive Kevlar seemed like a = sail that could hold up better under the conditions I'd be using it in. I received the sail, which I had cut as a 140% genoa, about two months = ago and have only had two occasions to use it since. On the first = occasion winds starting the race were at about 14 knots and diminished = down to around 8 knots at the finish. Even so the sail drove the boat = very well with much less heal than the 155% would have provided and just = as much speed. In addition I did not have the big back wind problem = associated with heavier wind due to having to lower the traveler to keep = the boat on it's feet. Overall we finish well that day and very well, = considering some pretty sloppy crew work, the next time we used it. I think the 140% genoa is a good number 2 on this boat keeping it = standing up well and still providing a dramatic driving force for good = speed up wind. In addition in the off season I had the mast step rebuilt and moved the = mast forward about 2 inches. I've centered the mast and those things = seem to have paid off very nicely in much better upwind performance. = The only thing we don't seem to be doing very well right now is getting = the boat moving in the ultra light stuff, 3 knots or less. Frank Albert RELENTLESS 41621 p.s. Kurt is writing this I realized I hadn't paid my dues yet. Check = is in the mail. -----Original Message----- From: Albert Francis X NSSC =20 Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:40 To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' Subject: RE: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa Junius, That's exactly my concern. With an overpowered genoa and your main = luffing or with a big bubble in the luff of the main you really cannot = point very well. However, with the right size genoa you can trim that = main in tight and out point everyone. Thanks, Frank -----Original Message----- From: Brown, Junius {PCNA} [mailto:Junius.Brown@pepsi.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 17:15 To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' Subject: RE: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa I have a cruising #2 at 135%, and wish I had a racing #2 135 for all the same reasons below. The window on the #2 is narrow. I'd go with the = 135 so you can keep your main fully powered in 15-20 and boat upright. I've = had unbelievable success with the #3 and main in just 18+ because the boat = gets upright and you really out points the rest of the fleet with almost no leeway while the rest of the fleet is slipping sideways. The only = weakness is that if the wind drops below those critical wind levels it's simply = not enough sail. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis = X NSSC Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:42 PM To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' Subject: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa Wanted to ask a general question about the # 2 sail for the Frers 33. I bought a new #1 3DL 155% genoa last year and it has performed very well = for us this summer. It has a rated wind range of 0 to 19 knots but in = reality once you get up around 14 or 15 knots you are badly overpowered and to = keep the boat on it's feet you have to be luffing most of the main sail. = Even with the main sail traveler down low and the mainsheet eased the #1 = genoa trimmed in tight creates a lot of heal nearing 25 to 30% in 15 knots. I also have a really strong all Kevlar #3 100% jib with battens that works very well in the 26 knots and up wind range. =20 I will be looking at purchasing a #2 3DL this year at the Annapolis = boat show and have already had discussions with North about this. Their suggestion is to go with a 145% cut flat, but that only reduces the sail area by 29 sq feet where as a 140% reduces it by 43 sq feet and a 135% reduces it down by 58 sq feet. Since I'm really looking for something = in the 16 to 25 knot range I'm not exactly sure which one of these will = work best. Clearly at 16 knots the 145 would be a good sail and not so good = at 24 knots. Any and all suggestions will be appreciated, especially first hand experience. Thanks, Frank Albert=20 _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Sep 13 16:14:40 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Richard Saunders) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]re: frers wanted In-Reply-To: <000f01c5b722$062cfd70$3f684044@s1100530160> Message-ID: <20050913151440.75078.qmail@web80303.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1512465131-1126624480=:73939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nancy, I subscribe to the Frers-list and noticed the email below that says you are thinking about moving up. I've been in the market for a Frers 33 for some time. I looked at the photos of Star*Gazer on www.frers33.com and first impressions are very postitve. I tried calling your cell phone number but got a message that the number was no longer in service, and no one answers at the number below from Campbell & Co. I wonder if you can send me a description of the boat, including electronics, sails, etc., and your asking price. You could also call me if you like. Thanks, Dick Saunders Westbrook, CT 860-399-2503 --0-1512465131-1126624480=:73939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Nancy, I subscribe to the Frers-list and noticed the email below that says you are thinking about moving up.  I've been in the market for a Frers 33 for some time.  I looked at the photos of Star*Gazer on www.frers33.com and first impressions are very postitve.
 
I tried calling your cell phone number but got a message that the number was no longer in service, and no one answers at the number below from Campbell & Co.
 
I wonder if you can send me a description of the boat, including electronics, sails, etc., and your asking price.  You could also call me if you like.
 
Thanks,
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--0-1512465131-1126624480=:73939-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Sep 20 02:08:56 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Kurt Hudson) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:08:56 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000. In-Reply-To: <0763FC1F7DCAFD4D826621A8FA39DCC106E80C@MC4EXCH01.mcdata.com> Message-ID: <001201c5bd7f$e0596b60$03ee210a@Taco> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C5BD5E.5947CB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did I hear that your boat is already under agreement? If so, who's the lucky buyer? Kurt -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Neal Melanson Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:29 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000. With regrets, its time to move on. Vapor Trail is for sail. Arthur Kelly, Would you please insert this into the "For Sale" section of our Web Site? 1986 Carroll Marine built Frers 33, $55,000. All new North racing sails in the last 3 years, includes a full set of older race sails Delivery/cruising sails, 5 Spinnakers. New Standing and running rigging in 2004 - rod, turnbuckles, Head Foil, Halyards and New Awlgrip paint by Hall Spars on the mast, boom, & pole. Bottom is race prepped with ablative Awlgrip Awlstar. This is a tiller boat - very Yanmar 16hp 2GM. Pressure H & C Water, Ice Box, Origo Oven/Stove, DataMarine/KVH instruments, VHF, GPS, AutoHelm. Winter Storage is negotiable. Please contact coldandwet@yahoo.com Cheers, Neal Melanson SPECIAL NOTICE All information transmitted hereby is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named above and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of confidential and privileged information is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Anyone who receives confidential and privileged information in error should notify us immediately by telephone and mail the original message to us at the above address and destroy all copies. To the extent any portion of this communication contains public information, no such restrictions apply to that information. (gate02) ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C5BD5E.5947CB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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With regrets, = its time to move on.  Vapor Trail is for sail. 

 

Arthur Kelly, = Would you please insert this into the "For Sale" section of our Web = Site? 

 

1986 Carroll = Marine built Frers 33, $55,000.  All new North racing sails in the last 3 years, includes a full set of older race sails Delivery/cruising sails, 5 Spinnakers.  New Standing and running rigging in 2004 - rod, turnbuckles, Head Foil, Halyards and New Awlgrip paint by Hall = Spars on the mast, boom, &  pole.  Bottom is race prepped = with ablative Awlgrip Awlstar.  This is a tiller boat - very Yanmar 16hp 2GM.  Pressure H & C Water, Ice Box, Origo Oven/Stove,  DataMarine/KVH instruments, VHF, GPS, AutoHelm.  Winter Storage is negotiable.  Please contact coldandwet@yahoo.com

 

 

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Did I hear that your boat is already under agreement? If so, who's the lucky
buyer?

 

Kurt

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Neal Melanson
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:29 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000.

 

With regrets, its time to move on.  Vapor Trail is for sail.  

 

Arthur Kelly, Would you please insert this into the "For Sale" section of
our Web Site?  

 

1986 Carroll Marine built Frers 33, $55,000.  All new North racing sails in
the last 3 years, includes a full set of older race sails Delivery/cruising
sails, 5 Spinnakers.  New Standing and running rigging in 2004 - rod,
turnbuckles, Head Foil, Halyards and New Awlgrip paint by Hall Spars on the
mast, boom, &  pole.  Bottom is race prepped with ablative Awlgrip Awlstar.
This is a tiller boat - very Yanmar 16hp 2GM.  Pressure H & C Water, Ice
Box, Origo Oven/Stove,  DataMarine/KVH instruments, VHF, GPS, AutoHelm.
Winter Storage is negotiable.  Please contact coldandwet@yahoo.com

 

 

Cheers,

 

Neal Melanson

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Frers 33, $55,000.  All new North racing sails in the last 3 years,
includes a full set of older race sails Delivery/cruising sails, 5
Spinnakers.  New Standing and running rigging in 2004 - rod,
turnbuckles, Head Foil, Halyards and New Awlgrip paint by Hall =
Spars
on the mast, boom, &  pole.  Bottom is race prepped =
with
ablative Awlgrip Awlstar.  This is a tiller boat - very Yanmar 16hp
2GM.  Pressure H & C Water, Ice Box, Origo Oven/Stove, 
DataMarine/KVH instruments, VHF, GPS, AutoHelm.  Winter Storage is
negotiable.  Please contact <a =
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----------MailBlocks_8C78BEAFD516074_448_151_MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Sep 20 14:02:32 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Steve Land) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:02:32 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #135 - 1 msg References: <20050920050200.70F1361E17@mailman.siteprotect.com> <8C78BEAFD516074-448-168@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0266_01C5BDB9.A786DCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Dutchman system is fine if you do not care if your main works at = all. It is a fact way to stow it ,but will not let it breath. Capt. Steve Land Ms. B. Haven Sail Charters Destin, Fl. (850)21RELAX sail.merriweather.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: nogden2@aol.com=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:10 AM Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #135 - 1 msg RE: DUTCHMAN SYSTEM=20 HAS ANYONE TRIED THE DUTCHMAN SYSTEM? COMMENTS INVITED=20 STAR*GAZER IS STAYING WITH ME FOR AT LEAST A SEASON OR 2 THANKS NANCY NANCY OGDEN CAMPBELL & CO. 860 677 1060 =20 -----Original Message----- From: = frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sent: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:02:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #135 - 1 msg Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit = http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to = frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000. (Kurt Hudson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Kurt Hudson" = > To: > Subject: RE: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:08:56 -0400 Reply-To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C5BD5E.5947CB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did I hear that your boat is already under agreement? If so, who's the = lucky buyer? =20 Kurt =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Neal Melanson Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:29 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000. =20 With regrets, its time to move on. Vapor Trail is for sail. =20 =20 Arthur Kelly, Would you please insert this into the "For Sale" section = of our Web Site? =20 =20 1986 Carroll Marine built Frers 33, $55,000. All new North racing sails = in the last 3 years, includes a full set of older race sails = Delivery/cruising sails, 5 Spinnakers. New Standing and running rigging in 2004 - rod, turnbuckles, Head Foil, Halyards and New Awlgrip paint by Hall Spars on = the mast, boom, & pole. Bottom is race prepped with ablative Awlgrip = Awlstar. This is a tiller boat - very Yanmar 16hp 2GM. Pressure H & C Water, Ice Box, Origo Oven/Stove, DataMarine/KVH instruments, VHF, GPS, AutoHelm. Winter Storage is negotiable. Please contact = coldandwet@yahoo.com =20 =20 Cheers, =20 Neal Melanson SPECIAL NOTICE=20 All information transmitted hereby is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named above and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of confidential and privileged information is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or = agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you = are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of any of the information = contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Anyone who receives confidential and privileged information in error = should notify us immediately by telephone and mail the original message to us = at the above address and destroy all copies. To the extent any portion of = this communication contains public information, no such restrictions apply to that information. (gate02) =20 ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C5BD5E.5947CB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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STAR*GAZER IS STAYING WITH ME FOR AT LEAST A SEASON OR 2
THANKS
NANCY
NANCY OGDEN
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000.
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Did I hear that your boat is already under agreement? If so, who's the =
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buyer?

=20

Kurt

=20

=20

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Subject: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000.

=20

With regrets, its time to move on.  Vapor Trail is for sail. =20

=20

Arthur Kelly, Would you please insert this into the "For Sale" section =
of
our Web Site? =20

=20

1986 Carroll Marine built Frers 33, $55,000.  All new North racing sails =
in
the last 3 years, includes a full set of older race sails =
Delivery/cruising
sails, 5 Spinnakers.  New Standing and running rigging in 2004 - rod,
turnbuckles, Head Foil, Halyards and New Awlgrip paint by Hall Spars on =
the
mast, boom, &  pole.  Bottom is race prepped with ablative Awlgrip =
Awlstar.
This is a tiller boat - very Yanmar 16hp 2GM.  Pressure H & C Water, =
Ice
Box, Origo Oven/Stove,  DataMarine/KVH instruments, VHF, GPS, AutoHelm.
Winter Storage is negotiable.  Please contact coldandwet@yahoo.com

=20

=20

Cheers,

=20

Neal Melanson

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------=_NextPart_000_0266_01C5BDB9.A786DCC0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Sep 22 16:31:11 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Neal Melanson) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:31:11 -0600 Subject: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000. Message-ID: <0763FC1F7DCAFD4D826621A8FA39DCC106E860@MC4EXCH01.mcdata.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BF8A.A8EB1117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...Not yet, but John Ricci did sell his boat to Jonathan Morse of = Edgartown. =20 Kurt introduce yourself to Jon, =20 Cheers, =20 Neal =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Kurt Hudson Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:09 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000. Did I hear that your boat is already under agreement? If so, who's the = lucky buyer? =20 Kurt =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Neal Melanson Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:29 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]VaporTrail is for Sale, $55,000. =20 With regrets, its time to move on. Vapor Trail is for sail. =20 =20 Arthur Kelly, Would you please insert this into the "For Sale" section = of our Web Site? =20 =20 1986 Carroll Marine built Frers 33, $55,000. All new North racing sails = in the last 3 years, includes a full set of older race sails = Delivery/cruising sails, 5 Spinnakers. New Standing and running rigging = in 2004 - rod, turnbuckles, Head Foil, Halyards and New Awlgrip paint by = Hall Spars on the mast, boom, & pole. Bottom is race prepped with = ablative Awlgrip Awlstar. This is a tiller boat - very Yanmar 16hp 2GM. = Pressure H & C Water, Ice Box, Origo Oven/Stove, DataMarine/KVH = instruments, VHF, GPS, AutoHelm. Winter Storage is negotiable. Please = contact coldandwet@yahoo.com =20 =20 Cheers, =20 Neal Melanson SPECIAL NOTICE=20 All information transmitted hereby is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named above and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of confidential and privileged information is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or = agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you = are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that = disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use of any of the information = contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Anyone who receives confidential and privileged information in error = should notify us immediately by telephone and mail the original message to us = at the above address and destroy all copies. To the extent any portion of = this communication contains public information, no such restrictions apply to = that information. (gate02) =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BF8A.A8EB1117 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Kurt=20 introduce yourself to Jon,
 
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Neal
 
 
 
 
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Kurt

 

 

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Arthur=20 Kelly, Would you please insert this into the "For Sale" section of our = Web=20 Site? 

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BF8A.A8EB1117-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Sep 29 01:53:56 2005 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:53:56 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #134 - 2 msgs Message-ID: <092920050053.12266.433B3B230002BE2C00002FEA22007504380A9D0E0B9C01090A0A9D0A0899@comcast.net> --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12266_1127955236_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello, we race on the chesapeake bay (where egos dare), and use a roller furling headsail to get a 6sec/mi credit which puts us as scratch boat in PHRF B. they have since revised the rule on roller furling headsails to put a heavy cover on the sail to reduce performance (which probably does some in certain conditions). we use a 155 and have had good success with reefing the main in about 13-16kts of true wind. have rolled the headsail only slightly a couple times, which didn't hurt us too much. rolling to a #3 is terrible and maybe used for cruising. we use a #3 when the wind gets in the 16-18kt true wind speed. we have a #2 which we were using on distance races in blast reaching conditions (a rarety). now with the roller furling we cannot switch to a #2 anyway. so the sail always stays at home in the bag. but by using a 155 in 13-16kts with a reefed main - we have spanked other boats in our class while they flog their mains. the boat doesn't point quite as well, but stays on her feet better with less weather helm and leeway. it seems that we need to get the foot flatter (out haul) in this situation and i was thinking of adding a cleat or something on the boom rather than just a tight bowline to provide this outhaul. i was wondering if anyone had experience in this area. also, since most of our sailing is in light air i am considering moving the mast aft a few inches as our heavy air performance appears relatively better than in light air (although light air is still ok). about a week ago we found that the mast turned to stbd by about 4 degrees. i had the mast out 2 seasons ago, painted it, replaced the mast step casting, and the yard put it back in. i think the partners slipped. has this happened to anyone? any thoughts on the best location fore/aft for the mast step? also, i have used a rod tuning gauge and tracked our tuning over the years for the standing rigging. any thoughts on target numbers for these tensions? finally, i am interested in fairing the keel some more. i have not been able to find any templates for this boat. does anyone have thoughts on factory originals for keel/rudder or getting a standard set made from the guys out west? respectfully, greg zercoe - where egos dare -------------- Original message -------------- > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: # 2 Genoa (Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01) > 2. Re: re: frers wanted (Richard Saunders) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Subject: RE: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:28:35 -0400 > From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01" > To: > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > Wanted to get back with everyone and report results on my new number 2. > > I wound up buy a UK tape drive #2 for two reasons. First, they UK guys = > were a bit less than the North 3DLs which have just skyrocketed in the = > last two years. Second, since I knew the wind range I was interested in = > was about 12 to 19 knots the stronger UK tape drive Kevlar seemed like a = > sail that could hold up better under the conditions I'd be using it in. > > I received the sail, which I had cut as a 140% genoa, about two months = > ago and have only had two occasions to use it since. On the first = > occasion winds starting the race were at about 14 knots and diminished = > down to around 8 knots at the finish. Even so the sail drove the boat = > very well with much less heal than the 155% would have provided and just = > as much speed. In addition I did not have the big back wind problem = > associated with heavier wind due to having to lower the traveler to keep = > the boat on it's feet. Overall we finish well that day and very well, = > considering some pretty sloppy crew work, the next time we used it. > > I think the 140% genoa is a good number 2 on this boat keeping it = > standing up well and still providing a dramatic driving force for good = > speed up wind. > > In addition in the off season I had the mast step rebuilt and moved the = > mast forward about 2 inches. I've centered the mast and those things = > seem to have paid off very nicely in much better upwind performance. = > The only thing we don't seem to be doing very well right now is getting = > the boat moving in the ultra light stuff, 3 knots or less. > > Frank Albert > RELENTLESS 41621 > > p.s. Kurt is writing this I realized I hadn't paid my dues yet. Check = > is in the mail. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Albert Francis X NSSC =20 > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:40 > To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' > Subject: RE: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa > > Junius, > > That's exactly my concern. With an overpowered genoa and your main = > luffing or with a big bubble in the luff of the main you really cannot = > point very well. However, with the right size genoa you can trim that = > main in tight and out point everyone. > > Thanks, > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brown, Junius {PCNA} [mailto:Junius.Brown@pepsi.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 17:15 > To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' > Subject: RE: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa > > I have a cruising #2 at 135%, and wish I had a racing #2 135 for all the > same reasons below. The window on the #2 is narrow. I'd go with the = > 135 so > you can keep your main fully powered in 15-20 and boat upright. I've = > had > unbelievable success with the #3 and main in just 18+ because the boat = > gets > upright and you really out points the rest of the fleet with almost no > leeway while the rest of the fleet is slipping sideways. The only = > weakness > is that if the wind drops below those critical wind levels it's simply = > not > enough sail. > > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis = > X > NSSC > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:42 PM > To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' > Subject: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa > > > > > > Wanted to ask a general question about the # 2 sail for the Frers 33. I > bought a new #1 3DL 155% genoa last year and it has performed very well = > for > us this summer. It has a rated wind range of 0 to 19 knots but in = > reality > once you get up around 14 or 15 knots you are badly overpowered and to = > keep > the boat on it's feet you have to be luffing most of the main sail. = > Even > with the main sail traveler down low and the mainsheet eased the #1 = > genoa > trimmed in tight creates a lot of heal nearing 25 to 30% in 15 knots. I > also have a really strong all Kevlar #3 100% jib with battens that works > very well in the 26 knots and up wind range. =20 > > I will be looking at purchasing a #2 3DL this year at the Annapolis = > boat > show and have already had discussions with North about this. Their > suggestion is to go with a 145% cut flat, but that only reduces the sail > area by 29 sq feet where as a 140% reduces it by 43 sq feet and a 135% > reduces it down by 58 sq feet. Since I'm really looking for something = > in > the 16 to 25 knot range I'm not exactly sure which one of these will = > work > best. Clearly at 16 knots the 145 would be a good sail and not so good = > at > 24 knots. Any and all suggestions will be appreciated, especially first > hand experience. > > Thanks, > Frank Albert=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:14:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: Richard Saunders > Subject: Re: [frers-list]re: frers wanted > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > --0-1512465131-1126624480=:73939 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Nancy, I subscribe to the Frers-list and noticed the email below that says you > are thinking about moving up. I've been in the market for a Frers 33 for some > time. I looked at the photos of Star*Gazer on www.frers33.com and first > impressions are very postitve. > I tried calling your cell phone number but got a message that the number was no > longer in service, and no one answers at the number below from Campbell & Co. > > I wonder if you can send me a description of the boat, including electronics, > sails, etc., and your asking price. You could also call me if you like. > > Thanks, > Dick Saunders > Westbrook, CT > 860-399-2503 > > > > > > --0-1512465131-1126624480=:73939 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > action=http://address.mail.yahoo.com/yab/us?v=YM&.rand=82337&A=m&sim > p=1 method=post>Nancy, I subscribe to the Frers-list and noticed the email below > that says you are thinking about moving up. I've been in the market for a > Frers 33 for some time. I looked at the photos of Star*Gazer on > href="http://www.frers33.com" target=_blank>> color=#003399>www.frers33.com and first impressions are very > postitve. > > > I tried calling your cell phone number but got a message that the > number was no longer in service, and no one answers at the number below > from Campbell & Co. > > I wonder if you can send me a description of the boat, including > electronics, sails, etc., and your asking price. You could also call me if > you like. > > Thanks, > Dick Saunders > Westbrook, CT > 860-399-2503 > --0-1512465131-1126624480=:73939-- > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > > End of frers-list Digest --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12266_1127955236_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hello,
 
we race on the chesapeake bay (where egos dare), and use a roller furling headsail to get a 6sec/mi credit which puts us as scratch boat in PHRF B. they have since revised the rule on roller furling headsails to put a heavy cover on the sail to reduce performance (which probably does some in certain conditions). we use a 155 and have had good success with reefing the main in about 13-16kts of true wind. have rolled the headsail only slightly a couple times, which didn't hurt us too much. rolling to a #3 is terrible and maybe used for cruising. we use a #3 when the wind gets in the 16-18kt true wind speed. we have a #2 which we were using on distance races in blast reaching conditions (a rarety). now with the roller furling we cannot switch to a #2 anyway. so the sail always stays at home in the bag. but by using a 155 in 13-16kts with a reefed main - we have spanked other boats in our class while they flog their mains. the boat doesn't point quite as well, but stays on her feet better with less weather helm and leeway. it seems that we need to get the foot flatter (out haul) in this situation and i was thinking of adding a cleat or something on the boom rather than just a tight bowline to provide this outhaul. i was wondering if anyone had experience in this area.
also, since most of our sailing is in light air i am considering moving the mast  aft a few inches as our heavy air performance appears relatively better than in light air (although light air is still ok). about a week ago we found that the mast turned to stbd by about 4 degrees. i had the mast out 2 seasons ago, painted it, replaced the mast step casting, and the yard put it back in. i think the partners slipped. has this happened to anyone? any thoughts on the best location fore/aft for the mast step?
also, i have used a rod tuning gauge and tracked our tuning over the years for the standing rigging. any thoughts on target numbers for these tensions?
finally, i am interested in fairing the keel some more. i have not been able to find any templates for this boat. does anyone have thoughts on factory originals for keel/rudder or getting a standard set made from the guys out west?
 
respectfully,
 
greg zercoe - where egos dare
 
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> 1. RE: # 2 Genoa (Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01)
> 2. Re: re: frers wanted (Richard Saunders)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa
> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:28:35 -0400
> From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"
> To:
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
> Wanted to get back with everyone and report results on my new number 2.
>
> I wound up buy a UK tape drive #2 for two reasons. First, they UK guys =
> were a bit less than the North 3DLs which have just skyrocketed in the =
> last two years. Second, since I knew the wind range I was interested in =
> was about 12 to 19 knots the stronger UK tape drive Kevlar seemed like a =
> sail that could hold up better under the conditions I'd be using it in.
>
> I received the sail, which I had cut as a 140% genoa, about two months =
> ago and have only had two occasions to use it since. On the first =
> occasion winds starting the race were at about 14 knots and diminished =
> down to around 8 knots at the finish. Even so the sail drove the boat =
> very well with much less heal than the 155% would have provided and just =
> as much speed. In addition I did not have the big back wind problem =
> associated with heavier wind due to having to lower the traveler to keep =
> the boat on it's feet. Overall we finish well that day and very well, =
> considering some pretty sloppy crew work, the next time we used it.
>
> I think the 140% genoa is a good number 2 on this boat keeping it =
> standing up well and still providing a dramatic driving force for good =
> speed up wind.
>
> In addition in the off season I had the mast step rebuilt and moved the =
> mast forward about 2 inches. I've centered the mast and those things =
> seem to have paid off very nicely in much better upwind performance. =
> The only thing we don't seem to be doing very well right now is getting =
> the boat moving in the ultra light stuff, 3 knots or less.
>
> Frank Albert
> RELENTLESS 41621
>
> p.s. Kurt is writing this I realized I hadn't paid my dues yet. Check =
> is in the mail.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Albert Francis X NSSC =20
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:40
> To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa
>
> Junius,
>
> That's exactly my concern. With an overpowered genoa and your main =
> luffing or with a big bubble in the luff of the main you really cannot =
> point very well. However, with the right size genoa you can trim that =
> main in tight and out point everyone.
>
> Thanks,
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brown, Junius {PCNA} [mailto:Junius.Brown@pepsi.com]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 17:15
> To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa
>
> I have a cruising #2 at 135%, and wish I had a racing #2 135 for all the
> same reasons below. The window on the #2 is narrow. I'd go with the =
> 135 so
> you can keep your main fully powered in 15-20 and boat upright. I've =
> had
> unbelievable success with the #3 and main in just 18+ because the boat =
> gets
> upright and you really out points the rest of the fleet with almost no
> leeway while the rest of the fleet is slipping sideways. The only =
> weakness
> is that if the wind drops below those critical wind levels it's simply =
> not
> enough sail.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis =
> X
> NSSC
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:42 PM
> To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
> Subject: [frers-list]# 2 Genoa
>
>
>
>
>
> Wanted to ask a general question about the # 2 sail for the Frers 33. I
> bought a new #1 3DL 155% genoa last year and it has performed very well =
> for
> us this summer. It has a rated wind range of 0 to 19 knots but in =
> reality
> once you get up around 14 or 15 knots you are badly overpowered and to =
> keep
> the boat on it's feet you have to be luffing most of the main sail. =
> Even
> with the main sail traveler down low and the mainsheet eased the #1 =
> genoa
> trimmed in tight creates a lot of heal nearing 25 to 30% in 15 knots. I
> also have a really strong all Kevlar #3 100% jib with battens that works
> very well in the 26 knots and up wind range. =20
>
> I will be looking at purchasing a #2 3DL this year at the Annapolis =
> boat
> show and have already had discussions with North about this. Their
> suggestion is to go with a 145% cut flat, but that only reduces the sail
> area by 29 sq feet where as a 140% reduces it by 43 sq feet and a 135%
> reduces it down by 58 sq feet. Since I'm really looking for something =
> in
> the 16 to 25 knot range I'm not exactly sure which one of these will =
> work
> best. Clearly at 16 knots the 145 would be a good sail and not so good =
> at
> 24 knots. Any and all suggestions will be appreciated, especially first
> hand experience.
>
> Thanks,
> Frank Albert=20
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>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Richard Saunders
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]re: frers wanted
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
> --0-1512465131-1126624480=:73939
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> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>
> Nancy, I subscribe to the Frers-list and noticed the email below that says you
> are thinking about moving up. I've been in the market for a Frers 33 for some
> time. I looked at the photos of Star*Gazer on www.frers33.com and first
> impressions are very postitve.
> I tried calling your cell phone number but got a message that the number was no
> longer in service, and no one answers at the number below from Campbell & Co.
>
> I wonder if you can send me a description of the boat, including electronics,
> sails, etc., and your asking price. You could also call me if you like.
>
> Thanks,
> Dick Saunders
> Westbrook, CT
> 860-399-2503
>
>
>
>
>
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>

>
> action=http://address.mail.yahoo.com/yab/us?v=YM&.rand=82337&A=m&sim
> p=1 method=post>Nancy, I subscribe to the Frers-list and noticed the email below
> that says you are thinking about moving up.  I've been in the market for a
> Frers 33 for some time.  I looked at the photos of Star*Gazer on > href="http://www.frers33.com" target=_blank>> color=#003399>www.frers33.com and first impressions are very
> postitve.

>

>
 

>
I tried calling your cell phone number but got a message that the
> number was no longer in service, and no one answers at the number below
> from Campbell & Co.

>
 

>
I wonder if you can send me a description of the boat, including
> electronics, sails, etc., and your asking price.  You could also call me if
> you like.

>
 

>
Thanks,

>
Dick Saunders

>
Westbrook, CT

>
860-399-2503



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