[frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01
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Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:53:37 -0500
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Kurt,
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Do you know if your hull looks like Allens in the keel area. My yard =
guys are looking at my boat and saying they don't think it has that =
stub.
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Frank Albert
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Eclipse is hull #29 MFG 1987
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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dan Boyd
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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WildThing is MFG in 1988.=20
Dan Boyd
Biogen Idec Inc
Tel: 1.617.679.2274
Fax: 1.617.679.3599
"Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01" <francis.albert@navy.mil>=20
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Alright big question is where all these boats made the same and if =
anyone knows of a different version. Allen your boat was number 14 what =
year was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have been =
built in the same year as mine.=20
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Thanks,=20
Frank Albert=20
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X CIV SEA 01
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:09
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Bob,=20
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My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water =
getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat there =
was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =
suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these =
discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel =
like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping out. =
That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the keel and =
hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year is =
to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with =
5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then =
next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by =
about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a =
couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =
just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel. =
Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the =
lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up =
being the 5200.=20
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If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.=20
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Thanks,=20
Frank Albert=20
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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heyward
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
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Bob=20
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I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've =
read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of =
things to add, based on my experience:=20
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The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the =
stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the =
keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know =
for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may =
not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a =
potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the =
hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute =
to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge: =
the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull, =
but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in =
the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =
that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the =
hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other =
thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at =
least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the =
bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel =
bolts.=20
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Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and =
race.=20
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Allan M. Heyward, Jr.=20
COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.=20
804-747-4500=20
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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.=20
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1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in =
hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats? =
2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =
this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?=20
3) Any questionable electrical to look for?=20
4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =
design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.=20
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I live in the Chicago area=20
Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look =
for"=20
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Bob=20
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</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Alright big question is where =
all these
boats made the same and if anyone knows of a different version. =
Allen
your boat was number 14 what year was your boat built? Wild thing =
was
number 37 and may have been built in the same year as =
mine.</span></font><font
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Thanks,</span></font><font =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Frank Albert</span></font><font =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
From:</span></b> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'><br>
Sent:</span></b> Friday, February 03, 2006 7:09<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'><br>
To:</span></b> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
Subject:</span></b> RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers =
33</span></font><font
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Bob,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>My boat may have that new crack problem. I =
noticed last
summer water getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they =
hauled the
boat there was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you =
would suppose
the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these discussions =
someone
mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel like about 10 to 12 =
inches)
and water from the bilge was seeping out. That lower hull thing =
seems
pretty strange and my yard says the keel and hull joint are right at =
that
crack. Their suggestion for this year is to snug up the keel bolts =
and
then grind out the crack and fill it with 5200, fairing it using =
alcohol.
They said if that doesn't work then next year they will remove =
the bolts
and lift the boat off the keel by about 3 inches. Their experience =
with
this process has taught them a couple of things. First most boats =
had the
keels joined to the hull just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over =
the entire
top of the keel. Second, 5200 really does not want to let go.
They've had boats in the lift like this for four hours with the =
only
thing holding the keel up being the 5200.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to =
hear about
it.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Frank Albert</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
From:</span></b> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Allan Heyward<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'><br>
To:</span></b> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
Subject:</span></b> RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers =
33</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
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<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Bob</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the =
<st1:place w:st=3D"on">Chesapeake
Bay</st1:place>. I’ve read Frank’s response on your =
question 4 and only
have a couple of things to add, based on my =
experience:</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a =
void
below the stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to =
which
the keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I =
don’t know
for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may =
not
have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a =
potential
structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the hull =
shows
separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute to =
deterioration
of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge: the reason is =
that you
are not seeing separation between keel and hull, but a crack in the sump =
which,
over time and load can create a tear in the hull. This is one =
reason a
fix from the inside is desirable and that you should look carefully at =
the
leading edge of the keel at the hull. The fix is not as traumatic =
as the
problem sounds. The other thing to check is the keel bolts for =
deep
crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch =
between
stainless in the bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of =
several of
the keel bolts.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a =
delight to
sail and race.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black'> <br>
</span></font><font color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Allan M. Heyward, Jr.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, =
P.C.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-747-4500</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
From:</span></b> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Stephen, Robert<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'><br>
To:</span></b> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
Subject:</span></b> [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers =
33</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am currently interested in purchasing a =
frers
33.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>1)</span></font><font size=3D1 =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues =
in
hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these =
boats?</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>2)</span></font><font size=3D1 =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =
this
reasonable or does the installation look like a =
morphidite?</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>3)</span></font><font size=3D1 =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Any questionable electrical to look for?</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>4)</span></font><font size=3D1 =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =
design
or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
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