[frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #166 - 2 msgs
Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:00:18 -0500
Allen,
Turns out my keel is the same as all the other keels. The yard striped =
off the glass on the leading edge and found a crack like yours but only =
in the front of the keel so my repair looks like it will be under a =
$1000. Thanks for the pictures they were a great save. My yard had =
thought the keel bolted directly to the bottom of the boat they were =
surprised by the stump.
Frank Albert
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Heyward
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 19:00
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com; frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #166 - 2 msgs
Frank
If your keel is mounted flush to the hull, it sounds like there was a=20
fundamental change in construction somewhere along the way, resulting,=20
I'd guess, in far shallower bilge than I have. I'd be happy to forward=20
the pictures from my 2 adventures with the keel root (keel removal=20
in '02 and the leak repair in '05) detailing the construction of #14,=20
to the website or archival purposes and the common weal. Let me know.
Allan
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> Allen,
> My yard had to drop the keel last year because of a grounding that=20
looked like it kicked the keel off to port by about 5 degrees.=20
Additionally I had a crack in the hull just forward of where the=20
leading edge of the keel joins the hull. They put the hull up on jack=20
stands and they said it normally takes about 5 hours of wailing on the=20
top of the keel bolts with a sledge hammer to loosen it. In my case=20
they took three wacks and it dropped right off. So much for 5200.=20
> Frank Wittosch
> Pepperke 2.0=20
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> > 1. RE: questions on a purchase of a frers 33 (Albert, Francis X CIV=20
SEA 01)=20
> > 2. RE: questions on a purchase of a frers 33 (Albert, Francis X CIV=20
SEA 01)=20
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> > Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:08:37 -0500=20
> > From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"=20
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> > Bob,=20
> > =3D20=20
> > My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer=20
water =3D=20
> > getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat=20
there =3D=20
> > was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =
=3D=20
> > suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these =
=3D=20
> > discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the=20
keel =3D=20
> > like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping=20
out. =3D=20
> > That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the=20
keel and =3D=20
> > hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year=20
is =3D=20
> > to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it=20
with =3D=20
> > 5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then=20
=3D=20
> > next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel=20
by =3D=20
> > about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them=20
a =3D=20
> > couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull=20
=3D=20
> > just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the=20
keel. =3D=20
> > Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in=20
the =3D=20
> > lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel=20
up =3D=20
> > being the 5200.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Thanks,=20
> > Frank Albert=20
> > =3D20=20
> > =3D20=20
> > =3D20=20
> > -----Original Message-----=20
> > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan=20
Heyward=20
> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03=20
> > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> > Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Bob=20
> > =3D20=20
> > I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay.=20
I've =3D=20
> > read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of=20
=3D=20
> > things to add, based on my experience:=20
> > =3D20=20
> > The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the=20
=3D=20
> > stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which=20
the =3D=20
> > keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't=20
know =3D=20
> > for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some=20
may =3D=20
> > not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a =
=3D=20
> > potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at=20
the =3D=20
> > hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only=20
contribute =3D=20
> > to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the=20
bilge: =3D=20
> > the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and=20
hull, =3D=20
> > but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear=20
in =3D=20
> > the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and=20
=3D=20
> > that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at=20
the =3D=20
> > hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other=20
=3D=20
> > thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on=20
at =3D=20
> > least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the=20
=3D=20
> > bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the=20
keel =3D=20
> > bolts.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail=20
and =3D=20
> > race.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Allan M. Heyward, Jr.=20
> > COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.=20
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> > -----Original Message-----=20
> > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen,=20
Robert=20
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM=20
> > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> > Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> > =3D20=20
> > I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in =
=3D=20
> > hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these=20
boats?=20
> > 2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =3D=20
> > this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?=20
> > 3) Any questionable electrical to look for?=20
> > 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =3D=20
> > design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > =3D20=20
> > I live in the Chicago area=20
> > Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to=20
look =3D=20
> > for"=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Bob=20
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> > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----
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> > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]> style=3D3D'font-
weight:bold'>On Behalf Of Allan Heyward
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> > Sent: Thursday, February =3D=20
> > 02, 2006=20
> > 12:03
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> > To: =3D=20
> > frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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> > Subject: RE: =3D=20
> > [frers-list]questions=20
> > on a purchase of a frers 33
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> >=20
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> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that=20
sails =3D=20
> > and=20
> > races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've read Frank's =3D=20
> > response on your question=20
> > 4 and only have a couple of things to add, based on my =3D=20
> > experience:> color=3D3Dblack>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-
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> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the=20
transverse =3D=20
> > stringer=20
> > leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the leading edge=20
of the =3D=20
> > keel=20
> > sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition into=20
the =3D=20
> > hull.=20
> > I don't know for certain if this will be true on all boats, =3D=20
> > as I=20
> > understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it=20
exists,=20
> > it creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading =3D=20
> > edge=20
> > of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a leak that=20
will =3D=20
> > not only=20
> > contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a=20
path to =3D=20
> > the=20
> > bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between=20
keel and =3D=20
> > hull,=20
> > but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear=20
in =3D=20
> > the=20
> > hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =3D =
> > that you=20
> > should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. =20
=3D=20
> > The=20
> > fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to=20
=3D=20
> > check=20
> > is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one=20
boat =3D=20
> > (mine)=20
> > there was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that=20
caused=20
> > substantial erosion of several of the keel bolts.> color=3D3Dblack>> =
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> >=20
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> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is=20
strong =3D=20
> > as an=20
> > ox and a delight to sail and race.> color=3D3Dblack>>=20
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> > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] > style=3D3D'font-
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> > Sent: Wednesday, February =3D=20
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> > 7:02 AM
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> > frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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> > Subject: =3D=20
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> > a purchase of a frers 33> style=3D3D'color:=20
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> > > size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-
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> > color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring=20
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> > color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a=20
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> > color:black'>Any questionable electrical to look for?>=20
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> > Message: 2=20
> > Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:14:30 -0500=20
> > From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"=20
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> > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
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> > Alright big question is where all these boats made the same and if=20
=3D=20
> > anyone knows of a different version. Allen your boat was number 14=20
what =3D=20
> > year was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have=20
been =3D=20
> > built in the same year as mine.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Thanks,=20
> > Frank Albert=20
> > =3D20=20
> > -----Original Message-----=20
> > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Albert,=20
Francis =3D=20
> > X CIV SEA 01=20
> > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:09=20
> > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> > Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Bob,=20
> > =3D20=20
> > My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer=20
water =3D=20
> > getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat=20
there =3D=20
> > was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =
=3D=20
> > suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these =
=3D=20
> > discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the=20
keel =3D=20
> > like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping=20
out. =3D=20
> > That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the=20
keel and =3D=20
> > hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year=20
is =3D=20
> > to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it=20
with =3D=20
> > 5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then=20
=3D=20
> > next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel=20
by =3D=20
> > about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them=20
a =3D=20
> > couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull=20
=3D=20
> > just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the=20
keel. =3D=20
> > Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in=20
the =3D=20
> > lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel=20
up =3D=20
> > being the 5200.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Thanks,=20
> > Frank Albert=20
> > =3D20=20
> > =3D20=20
> > =3D20=20
> > -----Original Message-----=20
> > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan=20
Heyward=20
> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03=20
> > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> > Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Bob=20
> > =3D20=20
> > I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay.=20
I've =3D=20
> > read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of=20
=3D=20
> > things to add, based on my experience:=20
> > =3D20=20
> > The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the=20
=3D=20
> > stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which=20
the =3D=20
> > keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't=20
know =3D=20
> > for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some=20
may =3D=20
> > not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a =
=3D=20
> > potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at=20
the =3D=20
> > hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only=20
contribute =3D=20
> > to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the=20
bilge: =3D=20
> > the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and=20
hull, =3D=20
> > but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear=20
in =3D=20
> > the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and=20
=3D=20
> > that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at=20
the =3D=20
> > hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other=20
=3D=20
> > thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on=20
at =3D=20
> > least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the=20
=3D=20
> > bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the=20
keel =3D=20
> > bolts.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail=20
and =3D=20
> > race.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Allan M. Heyward, Jr.=20
> > COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.=20
> > 804-747-4500=20
> > =3D20=20
> > -----Original Message-----=20
> > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen,=20
Robert=20
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM=20
> > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> > Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> > =3D20=20
> > I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in =
=3D=20
> > hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these=20
boats?=20
> > 2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =3D=20
> > this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?=20
> > 3) Any questionable electrical to look for?=20
> > 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =3D=20
> > design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.=20
> > =3D20=20
> > =3D20=20
> > I live in the Chicago area=20
> > Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to=20
look =3D=20
> > for"=20
> > =3D20=20
> > Bob=20
> > =3D20=20
> >=20
> >=20
________________________________________________________________________
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> > Arial'>Alright big question is where all these boats made the same=20
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> > if=20
> > anyone knows of a different version.> yes"> =20
> > Allen your boat was number 14 what year was your boat built?>=20
style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> Wild thing was number 37 and =3D=20
> > may have=20
> > been built in the same year as mine.
>=20
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> > face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-
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> > From:=20
> > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]> style=3D3D'font-
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> > SEA 01
>=20
> > Sent: Friday, February =3D=20
> > 03, 2006=20
> > 7:09
>=20
> > To: =3D=20
> > frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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> > Subject: RE: =3D=20
> > [frers-list]questions=20
> > on a purchase of a frers 33
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> > boat=20
> > may have that new crack problem. =3D=20
> > I=20
> > noticed last summer water getting in to the bilge area.>=20
style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> This fall when they hauled the =3D=20
> > boat=20
> > there was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you=20
would =3D=20
> > suppose=20
> > the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these=20
discussions =3D=20
> > someone=20
> > mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel like about 10 to=20
12 =3D=20
> > inches)=20
> > and water from the bilge was seeping out.> yes"> =20
> > That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the =3D=20
> > keel and=20
> > hull joint are right at that crack.> yes"> =20
> > Their suggestion for this year is to snug up the keel bolts and =3D=20
> > then=20
> > grind out the crack and fill it with 5200, fairing it using =3D=20
> > alcohol.> style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> They said if that =3D=20
> > doesn't work=20
> > then next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the=20
keel =3D=20
> > by=20
> > about 3 inches. Their =3D=20
> > experience=20
> > with this process has taught them a couple of things.> =
style=3D3D"mso-
spacerun:=20
> > yes"> First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =3D=20
> > just this=20
> > way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel.>=20
style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> Second, 5200 really does not =3D=20
> > want to=20
> > let go. They've had boats =3D=20
> > in the=20
> > lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel=20
up =3D=20
> > being the=20
> > 5200.
>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial>> =
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> > anyone=20
> > has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about =3D=20
> > it.
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> > color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial>> =
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> > color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial>> =
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> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----
>=20
> > From: =3D=20
> > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20
> > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]> style=3D3D'font-
weight:bold'>On=20
> > Behalf Of Allan Heyward
>=20
> > Sent: Thursday, February =3D=20
> > 02, 2006=20
> > 12:03
>=20
> > To: =3D=20
> > frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>=20
> > Subject: RE: =3D=20
> > [frers-list]questions=20
> > on a purchase of a frers 33> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-
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> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that=20
sails =3D=20
> > and=20
> > races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've read Frank's =3D=20
> > response on your question=20
> > 4 and only have a couple of things to add, based on my =3D=20
> > experience:> color=3D3Dblack>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-
alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> > color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the=20
transverse=20
> > stringer leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the=20
leading =3D=20
> > edge of=20
> > the keel sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of=20
transition =3D=20
> > into the=20
> > hull. I don't know for certain if this will be true on all =3D=20
> > boats, as I=20
> > understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it=20
exists,=20
> > it creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading =3D=20
> > edge=20
> > of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a leak that=20
will =3D=20
> > not only=20
> > contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a=20
path to =3D=20
> > the=20
> > bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between=20
keel and =3D=20
> > hull,=20
> > but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear=20
in =3D=20
> > the=20
> > hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =3D =
> > that you=20
> > should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. =20
=3D=20
> > The=20
> > fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to=20
=3D=20
> > check=20
> > is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one=20
boat =3D=20
> > (mine)=20
> > there was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that=20
caused=20
> > substantial erosion of several of the keel bolts.> color=3D3Dblack>> =
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> > color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is=20
strong =3D=20
> > as an=20
> > ox and a delight to sail and race.> color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> > color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan M. Heyward, =3D=20
> > Jr.> color=3D3Dblack>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-
alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & =
=3D=20
> > FEEHAN,=20
> > P.C.> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:=20
> > windowtext'>
>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-747-4500> color=3D3Dblack>> =
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> > color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3DTahoma>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-
family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original=20
> > Message-----
>=20
> > From:=20
> > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] > style=3D3D'font-
weight:bold'>On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
>=20
> > Sent: Wednesday, February =3D=20
> > 01, 2006=20
> > 7:02 AM
>=20
> > To: =3D=20
> > frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>=20
> > Subject: =3D=20
> > [frers-list]questions on=20
> > a purchase of a frers 33> style=3D3D'color:=20
> > black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>
>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3D"Times New Roman">> =
style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>=20
> color=3D3Dblack>> =
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-
family:Arial;color:black'>I am=20
> > currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.> color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-
family:Arial;color:black'> > ont>> color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3D3Dblack=20
face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
> > color:black'>1)> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 7.0pt;color:black'> =3D=20
> > > size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
> > color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring=20
issues =3D=20
> > in=20
> > hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these =
=3D=20
> > boats?> color=3D3Dblack>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-
alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3D3Dblack=20
face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
> > color:black'>2)> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 7.0pt;color:black'> =3D=20
> > > size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
> > color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a=20
tiller is =3D=20
> > this reasonable=20
> > or does the installation look like a morphidite?> color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3D3Dblack=20
face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
> > color:black'>3)> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 7.0pt;color:black'> =3D=20
> > > size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
> > color:black'>Any questionable electrical to look for?>=20
color=3D3Dblack>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3D3Dblack=20
face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
> > color:black'>4)> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> > 7.0pt;color:black'> =3D=20
> > > size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
> > color:black'>Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to=20
hull =3D=20
> > design=20
> > or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.> color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-
family:Arial;color:black'> > ont>> color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-
family:Arial;color:black'> > ont>> color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-
family:Arial;color:black'>I live=20
> > in the Chicago area> style=3D3D'color:black;=20
> > mso-color-alt:windowtext'>
>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-
family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks=20
> > for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look =3D=20
> > for"> color=3D3Dblack>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-
alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-
family:Arial;color:black'> > ont>> color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-
family:Arial;color:black'>Bob> >> color=3D3Dblack>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > color=3D3Dblack=20
> > face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-
family:Arial;color:black'> &nbs=3D=20
> > p; =20
> > > style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=3D=20
> > /p>=20
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
> > face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff =3D=20
> >=20
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Cook Heyward Lonnes Lee & Hopper, P.C.
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