[frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #281 - 4 msgs
rod stright
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:54:39 -0400
Thanks Frank, very informative.
Regards
Rod
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> 3. Re: Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc. (FRANCIS ALBERT)
> 4. Re: Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc. (FRANCIS ALBERT)
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> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:20:57 -0500
> From: Nancy Ogden <nogden2@aol.com>
> Subject: [frers-list]head door
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> I would be in touch with Hill & Lowden in Marblehead - they have sold
> many, many Frers 33 and probably have photos of interiors for good pix of
> HEAD DOOR - Rich Hill is a great guy!
>
> http://www.hilllowden.com/ -
>
> does anyone have a Frers 33 to sell - i made a huge mistake in selling my
> boat
>
> Nancy Ogden
> Campbell & Co. LLC
> www.ccoproductions.com
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> <div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would be in touch with
> Hill & Lowden in Marblehead - they have sold many, many Frers 33 and
> probably have photos of interiors for good pix of HEAD DOOR - Rich Hill is
> a great guy!</font><br>
> </div>
> http://www.hilllowden.com/<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> -<br>
> <br>
> does anyone have a Frers 33 to sell - i made a huge mistake in selling my
> boat<br>
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> From: "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:03:09 -0500
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
> Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ?
> Thanks Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
>
>
> Rod
>
> I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on what
> works and what doesn't.
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko
> latch but no door.
>
> They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next
> week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice
> the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about
> your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that
> where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster
> since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better
> tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many
> they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
>
> I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island
> as
> I recall.
>
> Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
> boats
> so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
>
> May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any
> suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:20:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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> Okay, will do.
> =A0
> I'll preface this with my experience and observations.=A0 First and
> foremeo=
> st are:
> =A0
> 1.=A0 =A0boat, as light as possible.=A0 That means everything that you
> don'=
> t need to have on the boat to race is either in your garage or left on the
> =
> dock.
> =A0
> =A0
> Racing a Frers 33.
> =A0
> First triming the big head sail.=A0=20
>
> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net> wrote:
>
> From: Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM
>
> Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ?=20
> Thanks Jim
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
>
>
> Rod
>
> I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
> what=20
> works and what doesn't.
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko=20
> latch but no door.
>
> They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next=20
> week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice=
> =20
> the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel
> about=
> =20
> your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is
> that=
> =20
> where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster=20
> since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better=20
> tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many=
> =20
> they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
>
> I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island
> a=
> s=20
> I recall.
>
> Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
> boats=20
> so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
>
> May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken,
> any=
> =20
> suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)=20
>
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> style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Okay, will do.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>I'll preface this with my experience and observations. First
> and foremeost are:</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>1. boat, as light as possible. That means
> everything that you don't need to have on the boat to race is either in
> your garage or left on the dock.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Racing a Frers 33.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>First triming the big head sail. <BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat,
> 1/17/09, Jim Mormile <I><jim.mormile@snet.net></I></B>
> wrote:<BR></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Jim Mormile
> <jim.mormile@snet.net><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head
> Door Ratings Etc.<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Saturday,
> January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Frank why don't you make those tips
> and tricks available to all of us ?
> Thanks Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
>
>
> Rod
>
> I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
> what
> works and what doesn't.
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko
> latch but no door.
>
> They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next
> week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice
> the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about
> your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that
> where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster
> since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better
> tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many
> they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
>
> I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island
> as
> I recall.
>
> Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
> boats
> so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
>
> May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any
> suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
>
> _______________________________________________
> frers-list mailing list
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list
> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:32:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
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>
> Okay, will do.
> =A0
> I'll preface this with my experience and observations.=A0 First and
> foremos=
> t are:
> =A0
> 1.=A0=A0=A0Boat, as light as possible.=A0 That means everything that you
> do=
> n't need to have on the boat to race is either in your garage or left on
> th=
> e dock as long as you meet the one design or PHRF rules.=A0 I removed the
> s=
> tove/oven on my Frers and replaced it with an ORGO 2 burner stove.=A0
> Saved=
> 45 pounds and I meet the PHRF requirement of having a stove.=A0 I don't
> ra=
> ce one design where I am but if I did I would guess I'd have to add weight
> =
> to the boat.=A0 I also removed the table and V-birth door (replaced the
> V-b=
> irth door with a curtain) and I don't race with the V-birth cushions in.
> =A0
> 2.=A0 Bottom is race ready.=A0 That means an ULTRA smooth bottom (which
> can=
> really only be done if the paint is sprayed on and then wet sanded
> smooth)=
> and I don't mean kind of smooth, I mean ultra smooth.=A0 The bottom of
> the=
> boat should be as shiny as the freshly waxed hull.=A0 Also the keel has
> to=
> be just about perfect.=A0 Pay special attention to the trailing edge
> which=
> can be damaged by cavitation and get rough and the keel bottom which can
> b=
> e damaged over time by poor blocking.=A0 There is not much to the rear of
> t=
> he keel so placing a block at the rear of the keel can crush down that
> port=
> ion.=A0 Check it and make sure it is smooth and that includes the bottom
> of=
> the keel, as much as you can get to and feel.=A0 Lastly on the bottom it
> h=
> as to be cleaned by a diver periodically.=A0 I have mine cleaned every
> othe=
> r week here in the Chesapeake bay.
> =A0
> 3.=A0 Sails.=A0 Best you can afford and in excellent condition.=A0 Any
> sail=
> that's over=A03 years old is no longer a racing sail.=A0 It may look like
> =
> a racing sail but it's not really a racing sail it"s a cruising sail.=A0
> Go=
> od racing sails are outrageously expensive but they really do make the
> boat=
> go faster.
> =A0
> I've raced my Frers 33 for=A06 years and I've been racing for about 18
> year=
> s.=A0 I've raced the Frers in 0 to 54 knot winds and over 400 miles in
> abou=
> t 150 races in the 4 years I've had the boat.=A0 I have all Kevlar sails,
> U=
> K tape drive main and 140% & 110% Genoas and a=A0North 3DL Kevlar carbon
> fi=
> ber 155% Genoa.=A0Oldest sail is the main sail and 2009 is it's 3rd and
> las=
> t year.
> =A0
> Crewing:=A0 To race the Frers 33 well you need about 7 people 8 is
> better.=
> =A0=A0Helm, Main Sail, Foredeck,=A0Tactician (owner),=A0=A03 Genoa
> trimmers=
> and=A0Mast.=A0 When your short folks=A0less Genoa trimmers.
> =A0
> Sail Trim:
> First the boat is tender and=A0it has=A0poor initial stability.=A0 However
> =
> it has excellent ultimate stability.=A0
> =A0
> In winds of 0 to about 12 or 13=A0knots I use a North 3DL 155% genoa.=A0
> Do=
> n't pinch and don't overtrim the genoa.=A0 The=A0Frers 33 will respond
> poor=
> ly to both of these.=A0 Ease the genoa just a bit so it can breath and
> gain=
> boat speed.=A0 The eliptical keel will lift the boat if you provide the
> sp=
> eed.=A0 This may seem counterintutive when other boats are pointing higer
> b=
> ut give it a try.=A0=20
> =A0
> In 0 to=A04 knots=A0trim the sail to about 4 inches off the lower spreader
> =
> (and not touching the upper spreader) and set the leads so it's the same
> of=
> f the side stays on the deck.=A0 In 5 to 9 knots, full speed triming.=A0
> Ab=
> out=A01-2 inches off the lower spreader and set the leads so the sail is
> to=
> uching the side stays on the deck.=A0 In 10 knots and above you want the
> sa=
> il about 6 inches off the lower spreader with the lead set way back and
> the=
> sail touching the side stays when trimed in tight.=A0 In all of these set
> =
> the halyard initially tight, you can always loosen it up if you have
> vertic=
> al wrinkles but it's hard to get horizontal wrinkles out when your
> sailing.
> =A0
> Over 12 knots I switch over to my 140% genoa and I use that to about 20
> kno=
> ts then I switch over to a 110% genoa which is good up to about 28 knots.=
> =A0 After 28 knots I start thinking that golf is actually not a bad sport.
> =A0
> Triming the Main:=A0 Esentially you want the tails on the luff of the main
> =
> flying all the time if possible.=A0 Usually that's not that tough=A0up
> wind=
> .=A0 Down wind it's a challange so who ever the trimer is they should be
> wo=
> rking that sail=A0down wind a bit.=A0=A0As with the genoa set the halyard
> t=
> ight and then add cunningham as necessary to get a good looking sail.=A0
> If=
> the main sail looks good it probably is good.=A0=A0With both the
> cunningha=
> m and the outhaul the harder the wind is blowing the more you want on when
> =
> going upwind.=A0=A0Off the wind=A0loosen up the outhaul so you get more
> bag=
> in the=A0main.=A0 In heavy air=A0ease the traveler first in the puffs and
> =
> if that's not enough ease the sheet until the boat responds.=A0 Then=A0as
> s=
> oon as the puff is past start triming it all back in again.=A0 In heavy
> air=
> the main trim is CONSTANT.
> =A0
> Spinnaker.=A0 When you put up the spinnaker that's when the real fun
> starts=
> .=A0 Expect in winds over 10 knots that big sail will be a handful.=A0
> Dead=
> down wind the=A0boat wants to death roll very easy.=A0 You must
> constantly=
> have the pole more forward than normal.=A0 Possibly much more foreward
> and=
> you must be ready to ease the sheet a lot.=A0 You have to drive the boat
> t=
> o keep=A0it under the sail and pay attention to=A0your steering.=A0 Sooner
> =
> or later you'll broach no matter how well you sail the boat so be ready
> for=
> that.=A0 To recover from the broach agressively ease the main and the
> shee=
> t on the spinnaker and she will come back then=A0just trim=A0stuff in and
> a=
> way you go.=A0 When reaching the spinnaker trimmer MUST be ready to ease
> in=
> the=A0puffs.=A0 If they ease agressively=A0and the helmsman steers down a
> =
> bit the boat will accelerate dramatically and you will gain a lot.=A0 If
> th=
> e spinnaker trimmer is a liitle lax and the helmsman is as well, you'll
> rou=
> nd up=A0and
> loose ground so make sure everyone understands what they are supposed to
> d=
> o.
> =A0
> Position folks on the rail so you have no more than 20 to 25 degrees of
> hea=
> l which will be hard in the bigger winds but do the best you can.
> =A0
> That's a lot=A0so, for now,=A0I'll stop.
> =A0
> If you have questions in the future let me know.
> =A0
> Frank Albert
> RELENTLESS 41621=A0
>
> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net> wrote:
>
> From: Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM
>
> Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ?=20
> Thanks Jim
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
>
>
> Rod
>
> I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
> what=20
> works and what doesn't.
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko=20
> latch but no door.
>
> They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next=20
> week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice=
> =20
> the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel
> about=
> =20
> your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is
> that=
> =20
> where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster=20
> since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better=20
> tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many=
> =20
> they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
>
> I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island
> a=
> s=20
> I recall.
>
> Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
> boats=20
> so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
>
> May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken,
> any=
> =20
> suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)=20
>
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> style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Okay, will do.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>I'll preface this with my experience and observations. First
> and foremost are:</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>1. Boat, as light as possible. That means
> <U>everything</U> that you don't need to have on the boat to race is
> either in your garage or left on the dock as long as you meet the one
> design or PHRF rules. I removed the stove/oven on my Frers and
> replaced it with an ORGO 2 burner stove. Saved 45 pounds and I meet
> the PHRF requirement of having a stove. I don't race one design
> where I am but if I did I would guess I'd have to add weight to the
> boat. I also removed the table and V-birth door (replaced the
> V-birth door with a curtain) and I don't race with the V-birth cushions
> in.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>2. Bottom is race ready. That means an ULTRA smooth
> bottom (which can really only be done if the paint is sprayed on and then
> wet sanded smooth) and I don't mean kind of smooth, I mean ultra
> smooth. The bottom of the boat should be as shiny as the freshly
> waxed hull. Also the keel has to be just about perfect. Pay
> special attention to the trailing edge which can be damaged by cavitation
> and get rough and the keel bottom which can be damaged over time by poor
> blocking. There is not much to the rear of the keel so placing a
> block at the rear of the keel can crush down that portion. Check it
> and make sure it is smooth and that includes the bottom of the keel, as
> much as you can get to and feel. Lastly on the bottom it has to be
> cleaned by a diver periodically. I have mine cleaned every other
> week here in the Chesapeake bay.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>3. Sails. Best you can afford and in excellent
> condition. Any sail that's over 3 years old is no longer a
> racing sail. It may look like a racing sail but it's not really a
> racing sail it"s a cruising sail. Good racing sails are outrageously
> expensive but they really do make the boat go faster.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>I've raced my <SPAN><SPAN>Frers</SPAN></SPAN> 33 for 6 years and
> I've been racing for about 18 years. I've raced the Frers in 0 to 54
> knot winds and over 400 miles in about 150 races in the 4 years I've had
> the boat. I have all Kevlar sails, UK tape drive main and 140% &
> 110% Genoas and a North 3DL Kevlar carbon fiber 155%
> Genoa. Oldest sail is the main sail and 2009 is it's 3rd and last
> year.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Crewing: To race the Frers 33 well you need about 7 people 8 is
> better. Helm, Main Sail, Foredeck, Tactician
> (owner), 3 Genoa trimmers and Mast. When your short
> folks less Genoa trimmers.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Sail Trim:</DIV>
> <DIV>First the boat is tender and it has poor initial
> stability. However it has excellent ultimate stability. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>In winds of 0 to about 12 or 13 knots I use a North 3DL 155%
> genoa. Don't pinch and don't overtrim the genoa.
> The <SPAN>Frers</SPAN> 33 will respond poorly to both of these.
> Ease the genoa just a bit so it can breath and gain boat speed. The
> eliptical keel will lift the boat if you provide the speed. This may
> seem counterintutive when other boats are pointing higer but give it a
> try. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>In 0 to 4 knots trim the sail to about 4 inches off the
> lower spreader (and not touching the upper spreader) and set the leads so
> it's the same off the side stays on the deck. In 5 to 9 knots, full
> speed triming. About 1-2 inches off the lower spreader and set
> the leads so the sail is touching the side stays on the deck. In 10
> knots and above you want the sail about 6 inches off the lower spreader
> with the lead set way back and the sail touching the side stays when
> trimed in tight. In all of these set the halyard initially tight,
> you can always loosen it up if you have vertical wrinkles but it's hard to
> get horizontal wrinkles out when your sailing.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Over 12 knots I switch over to my 140% genoa and I use that to about
> 20 knots then I switch over to a 110% genoa which is good up to about 28
> knots. After 28 knots I start thinking that golf is actually not a
> bad sport.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Triming the Main: Esentially you want the tails on the luff of
> the main flying all the time if possible. Usually that's not that
> tough up wind. Down wind it's a challange so who ever the
> trimer is they should be working that sail down wind a
> bit. As with the genoa set the halyard tight and then add
> cunningham as necessary to get a good looking sail. If the main sail
> looks good it probably is good. With both the cunningham and
> the outhaul the harder the wind is blowing the more you want on when going
> upwind. Off the wind loosen up the outhaul so you get more
> bag in the main. In heavy air ease the traveler first in
> the puffs and if that's not enough ease the sheet until the boat
> responds. Then as soon as the puff is past start triming it all
> back in again. In heavy air the main trim is CONSTANT.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Spinnaker. When you put up the spinnaker that's when the real
> fun starts. Expect in winds over 10 knots that big sail will be a
> handful. Dead down wind the boat wants to death roll very
> easy. You must constantly have the pole more forward than
> normal. Possibly much more foreward and you must be ready to ease
> the sheet a lot. You have to drive the boat to keep it under
> the sail and pay attention to your steering. Sooner or later
> you'll broach no matter how well you sail the boat so be ready for
> that. To recover from the broach agressively ease the main and the
> sheet on the spinnaker and she will come back then just
> trim stuff in and away you go. When reaching the spinnaker
> trimmer MUST be ready to ease in the puffs. If they ease
> agressively and the helmsman steers down a bit the boat will
> accelerate dramatically and you will gain a lot. If the
> spinnaker trimmer is a liitle lax and the helmsman is as well, you'll
> round up and loose ground so make sure everyone understands what they
> are supposed to do.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Position folks on the rail so you have no more than 20 to 25 degrees
> of heal which will be hard in the bigger winds but do the best you
> can.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>That's a lot so, for now, I'll stop.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>If you have questions in the future let me know.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
> <DIV>RELENTLESS 41621 </DIV>
> <DIV><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 1/17/09, Jim <SPAN><SPAN>Mormile</SPAN></SPAN>
> <I><jim.mormile@snet.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Jim Mormile
> <jim.mormile@snet.net><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head
> Door Ratings Etc.<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Saturday,
> January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Frank why don't you make those tips
> and tricks available to all of us ?
> Thanks Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
>
>
> Rod
>
> I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
> what
> works and what doesn't.
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko
> latch but no door.
>
> They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next
> week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice
> the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about
> your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that
> where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster
> since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better
> tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many
> they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
>
> I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island
> as
> I recall.
>
> Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
> boats
> so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
>
> May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any
> suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
>
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