My $0.02 is that the main reason we remo=
ve the topping lift is not weight savings (although that is a factor). By u=
sing the center line halyard as a topping lift, you can drop the pole and t=
ack after a rounding without having to clear the topping lift. My comment o=
n weight savings was concerning uncovering the core of all the halyards.
We once had a halyard break during a race, creating the same circumsta=
nce as an opened shackle. If either happens, use the remaining halyard (cen=
ter line or other wing halyard) to re-hoist the sail. At the windward mark,=
set the chute without a pole (if there's crew available have them stand at=
the shrouds holding the guy out), get the jib on the deck and transfe=
r its halyard to the pole to be used as the topping lift. At the leeward ma=
rk, reverse everything, taking the pole off early with someone acting as a =
human guy, connecting the halyard back onto the jib and hoisting it. Shackl=
e openings and halyard partings happen, but for us it's once every few year=
s, so worth the added risk and complication, in my opinion.
That's our reasoning anyway. Everyone needs to decide what they a=
re comfortable with, which is why it's great to have this forum for the exc=
hange of ideas and opinions!
Fair winds to all.
Dave Nauber
Wolverine
--- On Thu, 6/25/09, joberdorf@optonline.net &l=
t;joberdorf@optonline.net> wrote:
From: joberdorf@optonline.net <joberdorf@opton=
line.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]running rigging questions
To: f=
rers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Th=
ursday, June 25, 2009, 6:13 PM
I will just say that at one point, we felt we did not need a topping l=
ift. We took it out. Needless to say, our next race, the jib mysteriously c=
omes down mid leg because the shackle opens and sends the halyard to the to=
p of the mast. We managed to figure out how to use the other spin halyard f=
or the jib and set the chute deep and poleless and then switch, but&nb=
sp; we put the topping lift back the next week. We changed o=
ur views of how much it weighs.
Joyce Oberdorf
(Checkmate, #3)
----- Original Message -----
From: David Nau=
ber
Date: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [frers-list]run=
ning rigging questions
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Yes,=
the messenger line is just a small, strong line used to
> allow you=
to easily re-rig it by pulling a new line through the
> proper path=
inside the mast.
>
> --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Scott Marino wrote:=
>
>
> From: Scott Marino
> Subject: Re: [frers-=
list]running rigging questions
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
=
> Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 5:57 PM
>
>
>
>=
;
>
>
>
> Dave,
> The tuning guide recomm=
ends moving the main halyard to the port
> side and replacing the to=
pping lift with a messenger line. What
> do you use for a=
messenger line? Does a messenger line serve
> any
purpose besides allowing the owner to easily send a new line
> up t=
he rig?
> Scott
>
> --- On Mon, 6/22/09, David Nauber wr=
ote:
>
>
> From: David Nauber
> Subject: Re: [fr=
ers-list]running rigging questions
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
> Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 9:22 AM
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> =
1&2
> Yes, you should change all the halyards to line. Check=
to make
> sure the sheaves in the mast crane are smooth. If wire bu=
rrs
> have been nicking them up, they will chew up the new line. We =
> use uncovered Vectran to save weight aloft but they degrade
&g=
t; faster in the sun, so whether to eave the cover on is a choice
> =
you will need to make based on cost vs. benefit. The cover
> starts =
just inside the mast with sails hoisted. I replace
>
halyards about every third season. I also replaced my rope
> clutch=
es so the clutches and line work together. It might be one
> size sm=
aller than the origianl, but I'd need to look at an
> invoice or mea=
sure it to confirm the size. See a professional
> rigger and go with=
their advice.
>
> 3
> I will try to get some pict=
ures posted to show our arrangement.
> If the line is twisting but o=
therwise appears to be run properly
> (not crossing all over itself =
and back), then it could just be
> that the line itself is twisted. =
Try pulling all the line
> through the blocks a few times to see if =
it can be made to work
> itself out. It sounds like something that&n=
bsp;would happen if you
> coiled a braided mainsheet line incor=
rectly, then fed it through
> the blocks.
>
> Goo=
d luck.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
> Wolverine
>
> --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Scott Marino wrot=
e:
>
>
> From: Scott Marino
> Subject: [frers-li=
st]running rigging questions
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
&g=
t; Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 6:50 AM
>
>
>
> =
>
>
>
> Morning gang,
>
> I =
am recent owner of a Frers 33. I'm still getting her up to
> s=
peed this summer. I'm looking for info and pics on two topics.
>=
; 1) How do you rig the cunningham?
> 2) My Mainsa=
il Halyard sticks in the rope clutch which makes it
> difficult to l=
ower the sail and appears to need to be replaced.
> Currently =
the Halyard is line to wire. I'm curious about what
> line siz=
e to use ona replacement and if anyone has transitioned
> over=
to an all line halyard eliminating the wire?
> 3) The
Mainsheet keeps twisting and hanging up on itself.
> Anyone e=
lse have this problem? How do you fix it?
>
> Than=
ks in advance.
>
> Scott
> Risoluto
> Hull #=
17
>
> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, rod stright wrote:
>
>=
> From: rod stright
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Tuning G=
uide
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Thursday, June =
4, 2009, 8:53 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Fe=
llow Frers 33 sailors/racers.
>
> We have had a F=
ress 33 Tuning Guide posted on the web now for a
> couple of months =
inviting comments. Bottom line is that apart
> from those who =
have contributed to the development of the Guide
> we haven't heard =
much from anyone else. We are looking for some
> additional ri=
g measurements and settings now that boats are
> rigged and
in the water. Our objective is to make it easier to
> race yo=
ur boat competitively wherever you race/sail. Although
> we re=
cognize that a Tuning Guide will always be a work in
> progress we w=
ould like to finalize this version.
>
> Please have a lo=
ok at the Guide and provide your comments to the
> underside prior t=
o the end of June.
>
> Rod Stright
> S/V EQUINOX>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
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