From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Oct 4 12:09:02 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:09:02 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides Message-ID: <0B07B97A7E6249F79929396B96A03E46@CMSS> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_jhY4yN1+m6P+ShqG/lLJUQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors; Hope you all had a great season. We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me know. The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump location and operation. 1.. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to get overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to get to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify it? 2.. Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the electric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump. Thanks in advance for your replies. Rod Stright Equinox --Boundary_(ID_jhY4yN1+m6P+ShqG/lLJUQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;

Hope you all had a great season. We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me know.

The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump location and operation.

The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to get overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to get to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify it?
Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the electric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Rod Stright
Equinox

--Boundary_(ID_jhY4yN1+m6P+ShqG/lLJUQ)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 5 13:55:18 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (David Nauber) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 05:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides Message-ID: <477093.97110.qm@web59506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --0-31767384-1254747318=:97110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rod, =A0 Wolverine's=A0manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours and needs = to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get back there,= let me know. =A0 Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump on the= starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazeret= te.=20 =A0 Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?=20 =A0 Regards, =A0 Dave --- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright wrote: From: rod stright Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "David Nauber" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors; =A0 Hope you all had a great season.=A0 We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a= few months now.=A0 I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurem= ents) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me know. =A0 The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump= location and operation. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft o= f the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline.=A0 Convenient loca= tion but a long haul for the water to get overboard.=A0 I seem to be loosin= g suction.=A0 Difficult area to get to.=A0 Has anyone experienced this prob= lem and if so how did you rectify it? Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port s= ide aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale.=A0 There is a f= loat switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pu= mp.=A0 Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge = hose is too long.=A0 The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes = forever to empty it using the electric bilge pump.=A0 Wondering if everyone= has the same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge lo= cation closer to the pump. Thanks in advance for your replies. =A0 Rod Stright Equinox=0A=0A=0A --0-31767384-1254747318=:97110 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Rod,

Wolverine's manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours an= d needs to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get bac= k there, let me know.

Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump o= n the starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit la= zerette.

Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?

Regards,

Dave

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright <strightr@eastli= nk.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <e= conmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Davi= d Nauber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.= net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM
=

Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;

Hope you all had a great season. = We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few = minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additi= onal suggestions please let me know.

The second item I have relates to some = problem areas relating to bilge pump location and operation.

The manual bilge pump is located on the = port side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard nea= r the waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to= get overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to= get to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you re= ctify it?

Electric bilge pump located under the po= rt settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump= near the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strain= er in the hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too smal= l, not working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result= is that even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the e= lectric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of= if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Rod Stright
Equinox

=0A=0A --0-31767384-1254747318=:97110-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 5 15:24:16 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides In-Reply-To: <477093.97110.qm@web59506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <116669.36893.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-540771799-1254752656=:36893 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The previous owners for Relentless mounted a bilge pump in the port locker = under the port berth near the bulkhead wall of the head and just forward of= the batteries.=A0 This works well and allows you some elbow room to replac= e the diaphragm periodically although I never have replaced it.=A0 I bought= a small auto pump that would fit down fairly deep in the bilge and that ha= s worked pretty well.=A0 One thing that does affect water pump out ability = and you see it everywhere is the tubing that is corrugated.=A0 Each little = grove in that line slows the flow.=A0 For the best flow, and I didn't use i= t but should have, you want a smooth walled line. =A0 Frank Albert Relentless 41621 --- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber wrote: From: David Nauber Subject: Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:55 AM Hi Rod, =A0 Wolverine's=A0manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours and needs = to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get back there,= let me know. =A0 Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump on the= starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazeret= te.=20 =A0 Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?=20 =A0 Regards, =A0 Dave --- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright wrote: From: rod stright Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "David Nauber" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors; =A0 Hope you all had a great season.=A0 We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a= few months now.=A0 I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurem= ents) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me know. =A0 The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump= location and operation. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft o= f the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline.=A0 Convenient loca= tion but a long haul for the water to get overboard.=A0 I seem to be loosin= g suction.=A0 Difficult area to get to.=A0 Has anyone experienced this prob= lem and if so how did you rectify it? Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port s= ide aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale.=A0 There is a f= loat switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pu= mp.=A0 Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge = hose is too long.=A0 The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes = forever to empty it using the electric bilge pump.=A0 Wondering if everyone= has the same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge lo= cation closer to the pump. Thanks in advance for your replies. =A0 Rod Stright Equinox --0-540771799-1254752656=:36893 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =

The previous owners for Relentless mount= ed a bilge pump in the port locker under the port berth near the bulkhead w= all of the head and just forward of the batteries. This works well an= d allows you some elbow room to replace the diaphragm periodically although= I never have replaced it. I bought a small auto pump that would fit = down fairly deep in the bilge and that has worked pretty well. One th= ing that does affect water pump out ability and you see it everywhere is th= e tubing that is corrugated. Each little grove in that line slows the= flow. For the best flow, and I didn't use it but should have, you wa= nt a smooth walled line.

Frank Albert

Relentless

41621

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber <= dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com>
S= ubject: Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.c= om, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <n= eal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Ji= m Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonl= ine.net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:55 AM=

Hi Rod,

Wolverine's manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours an= d needs to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get bac= k there, let me know.

Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump o= n the starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazerette.

Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?

Regards,

Dave

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright <strightr@eastli= nk.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <e= conmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Davi= d Nauber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.= net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM
=

Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;

Hope you all had a great season. = We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few = minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additi= onal suggestions please let me know.

The second item I have relates to some = problem areas relating to bilge pump location and operation.

The manual bilge pump is located on the = port side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard nea= r the waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to= get overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to= get to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you re= ctify it?

Electric bilge pump located under the po= rt settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump= near the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strain= er in the hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too smal= l, not working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result= is that even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the e= lectric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of= if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Rod Stright
Equinox

--0-540771799-1254752656=:36893-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 5 18:23:53 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #307 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <20091005051604.1A17062059@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <446398544.314531254763433472.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ------=_Part_16596_75540503.1254763433471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With regard to the cockpit bilge pump, I cut a circular hole near the pump = and installed an access plate large enough to disconnect and remove the pum= p for servicing. Its tricky as you need to secure both ends of the hose so = as not to lose them.=20 The electric bilge in the cabin was more complicated. I installed a small R= ule pump at the deepest point in the bilge and ran the output hose into the= =C2=A0area under the sink in the head. I connected the output to the drain = for the lav sink in the head. You also have to install a vented loop to pre= vent back siphoning into the bilge. I learned this the hard way, but everyt= hing works well at this point. As far as using the bilge pump located in th= e cockpit, it's still connected and yes, it takes forever to pump the water= out by hand.=20 Frank Wittosch=20 Pepperke 2.0=20 Lake Michigan contingent=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 12:16:04 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central=20 Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #307 - 1 msg=20 Send frers-list mailing list submissions to=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list@lists.frers33.co= m=20 To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://lists.frers33.com/ma= ilman/listinfo/frers-list=20 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list-request@lists.fr= ers33.com=20 You can reach the person managing the list at=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list-admin@lists.frer= s33.com=20 When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific=20 than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..."=20 Today's Topics:=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides (rod stright)=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 1=20 From: rod stright =20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Cc: Neal Melanson ,=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Mark Dixon ,=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Jim Mormile , David Nauber ,=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Arthur Kelley , fxalbert@prodigy.net=20 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:09:02 -0300=20 Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides=20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 This is a multi-part message in MIME format.=20 --Boundary_(ID_jhY4yN1+m6P+ShqG/lLJUQ)=20 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=3DUS-ASCII=20 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT=20 Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;=20 Hope you all had a great season. =C2=A0We've had the Tuning Guide posted fo= r a few months now. =C2=A0I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig me= asurements) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me know.= =20 The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump= location and operation.=20 =C2=A0=C2=A01.. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the co= ckpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline. = =C2=A0Convenient location but a long haul for the water to get overboard. = =C2=A0I seem to be loosing suction. =C2=A0Difficult area to get to. =C2=A0H= as anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify it?=20 =C2=A0=C2=A02.. Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the = discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale.= =C2=A0There is a float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose befo= re it enters the pump. =C2=A0Either the pump is too small, not working prop= erly or the discharge hose is too long. =C2=A0The result is that even if th= e bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the electric bilge pump.= =C2=A0Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of if some have moved= the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.=20 Thanks in advance for your replies.=20 Rod Stright=20 Equinox=20 --Boundary_(ID_jhY4yN1+m6P+ShqG/lLJUQ)=20 Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=3DUS-ASCII=20 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20

Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;=20

=20

Hope you all had a great season. = We've had=20 the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few minor chan= ges=20 to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additional suggestio= ns=20 please let me know.

=20

The second item I have relates to some = problem=20 areas relating to bilge pump location and operation.

=20

The manual bilge pump is loc= ated on the port=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overbo= ard near the=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the wa= ter to get=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult = area to get=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did= you rectify=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0it?
Electric bilge pump located = under the port=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual b= ilge pump near=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a = strainer in the=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too sm= all, not=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The r= esult is that=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using th= e electric=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangemen= t of if some=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the=20 pump.

=20

Thanks in advance for your replies.

=20

Rod=20 Stright
Equinox

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With r= egard to the cockpit bilge pump, I cut a circular hole near the pump and in= stalled an access plate large enough to disconnect and remove the pump for = servicing. Its tricky as you need to secure both ends of the hose so as not= to lose them.

The electric bilge in the cabin was more complicated. I installed a smal= l Rule pump at the deepest point in the bilge and ran the output hose into = the area under the sink in the head. I connected the output to the dra= in for the lav sink in the head. You also have to install a vented loop to = prevent back siphoning into the bilge. I learned this the hard way, but eve= rything works well at this point. As far as using the bilge pump located in= the cockpit, it's still connected and yes, it takes forever to pump the wa= ter out by hand.

Frank Wittosch

Pepperke 2.0

Lake Michigan contingent

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From: rod stright <strightr@eastli= nk.ca>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: Neal Melanson <neal= .melanson@gmail.com>,
        = ;Mark Dixon <econmar@sbcglobal.net>,
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Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;

Hope you all had a gre= at season. We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. &n= bsp;I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyo= ne has any additional suggestions please let me know.

The second ite= m I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump location and = operation.
  1.. The manual bilge pump is located on the port = side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard near the= waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to get = overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to get = to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify= it?
  2.. Electric bilge pump located under the port settee w= ith the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump near the g= unwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the h= ose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too small, not work= ing properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result is that ev= en if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the electric bil= ge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of if some ha= ve moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.
Thanks in= advance for your replies.

Rod Stright
Equinox

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#00= 0080 size=3D2>Hope you all had a great season.  We've had
t= he Tuning Guide posted for a few months now.  I have a few minor c= hanges
to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additiona= l suggestions
please let me know.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV&g= t;<FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><= BR><DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>The second item I have r= elates to some problem
areas relating to bilge pump location and operat= ion.</FONT></DIV>
<OL>
  <LI><FO= NT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>The manual bilge pump is located on the port=
  side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges o= verboard near the
  waterline.  Convenient location = but a long haul for the water to get
  overboard.  I= seem to be loosing suction.  Difficult area to get
&nbs= p;to.  Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you r= ectify
  it?</FONT></LI>
  <LI>= ;<FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Electric bilge pump located under the= port
  settee with the discharge port side aft just above th= e manual bilge pump near
  the gunwhale.  There is a= float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the
  hose befor= e it enters the pump.  Either the pump is too small, not
= ; working properly or the discharge hose is too long.  The re= sult is that
  even if the bilge is full it takes forever to = empty it using the electric
  bilge pump.  Wondering= if everyone has the same arrangement of if some
  have moved= the bilge pump discharge location closer to the
pump.</FONT><= /LI></OL>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Thank= s in advance for your replies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F= ONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<= DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Rod
Stright<BR>Equino= x</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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------=_Part_16596_75540503.1254763433471-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 5 18:56:37 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides In-Reply-To: <116669.36893.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52126.99988.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --0-1290201911-1254765397=:99988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Risoluto has a pump mounted on the bulkhead wall uner the vanity in the hea= d.=A0 The discharge is piped out the side of the boat in the area of the he= ad via a short hose.=A0 A smaller person can reach the pump for servicing a= nd the hose run is short for limited resistance. --- On Mon, 10/5/09, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: From: FRANCIS ALBERT Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" , "Da= vid Nauber" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:24 AM The previous owners for Relentless mounted a bilge pump in the port locker = under the port berth near the bulkhead wall of the head and just forward of= the batteries.=A0 This works well and allows you some elbow room to replac= e the diaphragm periodically although I never have replaced it.=A0 I bought= a small auto pump that would fit down fairly deep in the bilge and that ha= s worked pretty well.=A0 One thing that does affect water pump out ability = and you see it everywhere is the tubing that is corrugated.=A0 Each little = grove in that line slows the flow.=A0 For the best flow, and I didn't use i= t but should have, you want a smooth walled line. =A0 Frank Albert Relentless 41621 --- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber wrote: From: David Nauber Subject: Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:55 AM Hi Rod, =A0 Wolverine's=A0manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours and needs = to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get back there,= let me know. =A0 Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump on the= starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazeret= te.=20 =A0 Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?=20 =A0 Regards, =A0 Dave --- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright wrote: From: rod stright Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "David Nauber" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors; =A0 Hope you all had a great season.=A0 We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a= few months now.=A0 I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurem= ents) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me know. =A0 The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump= location and operation. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft o= f the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline.=A0 Convenient loca= tion but a long haul for the water to get overboard.=A0 I seem to be loosin= g suction.=A0 Difficult area to get to.=A0 Has anyone experienced this prob= lem and if so how did you rectify it? Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port s= ide aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale.=A0 There is a f= loat switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pu= mp.=A0 Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge = hose is too long.=A0 The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes = forever to empty it using the electric bilge pump.=A0 Wondering if everyone= has the same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge lo= cation closer to the pump. Thanks in advance for your replies. =A0 Rod Stright Equinox =0A=0A=0A --0-1290201911-1254765397=:99988 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Risoluto has a pump mounted on the bulkhead w= all uner the vanity in the head. The discharge is piped out the side = of the boat in the area of the head via a short hose. A smaller perso= n can reach the pump for servicing and the hose run is short for limited re= sistance.

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@pro= digy.net> wrote:

From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>=
Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-lis= t@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>, "David Nau= ber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gma= il.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <j= im.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.net>
D= ate: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:24 AM

=

The previous owners for Relentless mounted a bilge pump in the port lo= cker under the port berth near the bulkhead wall of the head and just forwa= rd of the batteries. This works well and allows you some elbow room t= o replace the diaphragm periodically although I never have replaced it.&nbs= p; I bought a small auto pump that would fit down fairly deep in the bilge = and that has worked pretty well. One thing that does affect water pum= p out ability and you see it everywhere is the tubing that is corrugated.&n= bsp; Each little grove in that line slows the flow. For the best flow= , and I didn't use it but should have, you want a smooth walled line.

Frank Albert

Relentless

41621

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber <= dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com>
S= ubject: Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.c= om, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <n= eal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Ji= m Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonl= ine.net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:55 AM=

Hi Rod,

Wolverine's manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours an= d needs to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get bac= k there, let me know.

Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump o= n the starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazerette.

Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?

Regards,

Dave

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright <strightr@eastli= nk.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <e= conmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Davi= d Nauber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.= net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM
=

Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;

Hope you all had a great season. = We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few = minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additi= onal suggestions please let me know.

The second item I have relates to some = problem areas relating to bilge pump location and operation.

The manual bilge pump is located on the = port side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard nea= r the waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to= get overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to= get to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you re= ctify it?

Electric bilge pump located under the po= rt settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump= near the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strain= er in the hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too smal= l, not working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result= is that even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the e= lectric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of= if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Rod Stright
Equinox

=0A=0A --0-1290201911-1254765397=:99988-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 5 20:26:33 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:26:33 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides References: <52126.99988.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_UAIeLgGeUGd34pSx+SpsOQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks Scott, that sounds like the way I'll go. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Marino To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com ; rod stright ; David Nauber Cc: Neal Melanson ; Mark Dixon ; Jim Mormile ; Arthur Kelley Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides Risoluto has a pump mounted on the bulkhead wall uner the vanity in the head. The discharge is piped out the side of the boat in the area of the head via a short hose. A smaller person can reach the pump for servicing and the hose run is short for limited resistance. --- On Mon, 10/5/09, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: From: FRANCIS ALBERT Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" , "David Nauber" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:24 AM The previous owners for Relentless mounted a bilge pump in the port locker under the port berth near the bulkhead wall of the head and just forward of the batteries. This works well and allows you some elbow room to replace the diaphragm periodically although I never have replaced it. I bought a small auto pump that would fit down fairly deep in the bilge and that has worked pretty well. One thing that does affect water pump out ability and you see it everywhere is the tubing that is corrugated. Each little grove in that line slows the flow. For the best flow, and I didn't use it but should have, you want a smooth walled line. Frank Albert Relentless 41621 --- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber wrote: From: David Nauber Subject: Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:55 AM Hi Rod, Wolverine's manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours and needs to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get back there, let me know. Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump on the starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazerette. Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide? Regards, Dave --- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright wrote: From: rod stright Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "David Nauber" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors; Hope you all had a great season. We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me know. The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump location and operation. 1.. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to get overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to get to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify it? 2.. Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the electric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump. Thanks in advance for your replies. Rod Stright Equinox --Boundary_(ID_UAIeLgGeUGd34pSx+SpsOQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Thanks Scott, that sounds like the way I'll go.

----- Original Message -----

From: Scott Marino

To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com ; rod stright ; David Nauber

Cc: Neal Melanson ; Mark Dixon ; Jim Mormile ; Arthur Kelley

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides

Risoluto has a pump mounted on the bulkhead wall uner the vanity in the head. The discharge is piped out the side of the boat in the area of the head via a short hose. A smaller person can reach the pump for servicing and the hose run is short for limited resistance.

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote:

From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>, "David Nauber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.net>
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:24 AM

The previous owners for Relentless mounted a bilge pump in the port locker under the port berth near the bulkhead wall of the head and just forward of the batteries. This works well and allows you some elbow room to replace the diaphragm periodically although I never have replaced it. I bought a small auto pump that would fit down fairly deep in the bilge and that has worked pretty well. One thing that does affect water pump out ability and you see it everywhere is the tubing that is corrugated. Each little grove in that line slows the flow. For the best flow, and I didn't use it but should have, you want a smooth walled line.

Frank Albert

Relentless

41621

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:55 AM

Hi Rod,

Wolverine's manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours and needs to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get back there, let me know.

Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump on the starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazerette.

Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?

Regards,

Dave

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "David Nauber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM

Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;

Hope you all had a great season. We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me know.

The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump location and operation.

The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to get overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to get to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify it?
Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the electric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Rod Stright
Equinox

--Boundary_(ID_UAIeLgGeUGd34pSx+SpsOQ)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 5 21:18:10 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (David Nauber) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides In-Reply-To: <52126.99988.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <328312.79309.qm@web59512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --0-1439140110-1254773890=:79309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Scott, =A0 That's where my pump for the shower drain is located. Are you saying that i= s where your bilge pump is too? =A0 Nice meeting you yesterday. =A0 Regards, =A0 Dave --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Scott Marino wrote: From: Scott Marino Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" , "Da= vid Nauber" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 1:56 PM Risoluto has a pump mounted on the bulkhead wall uner the vanity in the hea= d.=A0 The discharge is piped out the side of the boat in the area of the he= ad via a short hose.=A0 A smaller person can reach the pump for servicing a= nd the hose run is short for limited resistance. --- On Mon, 10/5/09, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: From: FRANCIS ALBERT Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" , "Da= vid Nauber" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:24 AM The previous owners for Relentless mounted a bilge pump in the port locker = under the port berth near the bulkhead wall of the head and just forward of= the batteries.=A0 This works well and allows you some elbow room to replac= e the diaphragm periodically although I never have replaced it.=A0 I bought= a small auto pump that would fit down fairly deep in the bilge and that ha= s worked pretty well.=A0 One thing that does affect water pump out ability = and you see it everywhere is the tubing that is corrugated.=A0 Each little = grove in that line slows the flow.=A0 For the best flow, and I didn't use i= t but should have, you want a smooth walled line. =A0 Frank Albert Relentless 41621 --- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber wrote: From: David Nauber Subject: Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:55 AM Hi Rod, =A0 Wolverine's=A0manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours and needs = to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get back there,= let me know. =A0 Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump on the= starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazeret= te.=20 =A0 Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?=20 =A0 Regards, =A0 Dave --- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright wrote: From: rod stright Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "David Nauber" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors; =A0 Hope you all had a great season.=A0 We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a= few months now.=A0 I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurem= ents) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me know. =A0 The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump= location and operation. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft o= f the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline.=A0 Convenient loca= tion but a long haul for the water to get overboard.=A0 I seem to be loosin= g suction.=A0 Difficult area to get to.=A0 Has anyone experienced this prob= lem and if so how did you rectify it? Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port s= ide aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale.=A0 There is a f= loat switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pu= mp.=A0 Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge = hose is too long.=A0 The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes = forever to empty it using the electric bilge pump.=A0 Wondering if everyone= has the same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge lo= cation closer to the pump. Thanks in advance for your replies. =A0 Rod Stright Equinox =0A=0A=0A --0-1439140110-1254773890=:79309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Scott,

That's where my pump for the shower drain is located. Are you saying t= hat is where your bilge pump is too?

Nice meeting you yesterday.

Regards,

Dave

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Scott Marino <scottamarino@y= ahoo.com> wrote:

From: Scott Marino <scottamarino@yahoo.com>=
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers= -list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>, "David= Nauber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson= @gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" &= lt;jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.net><= BR>Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 1:56 PM

Risoluto has a pump mounted on the bulkhead wall uner the = vanity in the head. The discharge is piped out the side of the boat i= n the area of the head via a short hose. A smaller person can reach t= he pump for servicing and the hose run is short for limited resistance.
=
--- On Mon, 10/5/09, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net><= /I> wrote:

From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>=
Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-lis= t@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>, "David Nau= ber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gma= il.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <j= im.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.net>
D= ate: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:24 AM

=

The previous owners for Relentless mounted a bilge pump in the port lo= cker under the port berth near the bulkhead wall of the head and just forwa= rd of the batteries. This works well and allows you some elbow room t= o replace the diaphragm periodically although I never have replaced it.&nbs= p; I bought a small auto pump that would fit down fairly deep in the bilge = and that has worked pretty well. One thing that does affect water pum= p out ability and you see it everywhere is the tubing that is corrugated.&n= bsp; Each little grove in that line slows the flow. For the best flow= , and I didn't use it but should have, you want a smooth walled line.

Frank Albert

Relentless

41621

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber <= dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com>
S= ubject: Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.c= om, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <n= eal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Ji= m Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonl= ine.net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:55 AM=

Hi Rod,

Wolverine's manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours an= d needs to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get bac= k there, let me know.

Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump o= n the starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazerette.

Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?

Regards,

Dave

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright <strightr@eastli= nk.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <e= conmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Davi= d Nauber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.= net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM
=

Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;

Hope you all had a great season. = We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few = minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additi= onal suggestions please let me know.

The second item I have relates to some = problem areas relating to bilge pump location and operation.

The manual bilge pump is located on the = port side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard nea= r the waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to= get overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to= get to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you re= ctify it?

Electric bilge pump located under the po= rt settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump= near the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strain= er in the hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too smal= l, not working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result= is that even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the e= lectric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of= if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Rod Stright
Equinox

=0A=0A --0-1439140110-1254773890=:79309-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 6 01:52:44 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:52:44 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides References: <477093.97110.qm@web59506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA45FD.C9573AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brilliant is set up the same way as Wolverine. Including the manual pump = issues, and I rebuilt it when I bought the boat - only worked for a = year. Good news is my 14 year oold son likes to climb into those = spaces, so maybe it will work again in the spring. My biggest problem = has been getting an auto switch that works for more than a month. The = float types seem to engage when heeled, ultrasound and electric current = all seem to foul and get stuck on. Whatever! On the matter of draining through the head sink drain, watch those = vented loops. A friend of mine almost lost his Tartan 10 the same way! Art ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Nauber=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com ; rod stright=20 Cc: Neal Melanson ; Mark Dixon ; Jim Mormile ; Arthur Kelley ; = fxalbert@prodigy.net=20 Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides Hi Rod, Wolverine's manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours = and needs to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to = get back there, let me know. Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system = pump on the starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the = cockpit lazerette.=20 Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning = guide?=20 Regards, Dave --- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright wrote: From: rod stright Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" = , "Jim Mormile" , "David = Nauber" , "Arthur Kelley" , = fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors; Hope you all had a great season. We've had the Tuning Guide = posted for a few months now. I have a few minor changes to finalize it = (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please = let me know. The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating = to bilge pump location and operation. 1.. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the = cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard near the = waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to get = overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to get to. = Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify it?=20 2.. Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with = the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump near the = gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the = hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too small, not = working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result is that = even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the = electric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of = if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump. Thanks in advance for your replies. Rod Stright Equinox=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA45FD.C9573AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Brilliant is set up the same way as = Wolverine.=20 Including the manual pump issues, and I rebuilt it when I bought the = boat -=20 only worked for a year. Good news is my 14 year oold son likes to = climb=20 into those spaces, so maybe it will work again in the spring. My = biggest=20 problem has been getting an auto switch that works for more than a = month. =20 The float types seem to engage when heeled, ultrasound and electric = current all=20 seem to foul and get stuck on. Whatever!

On the matter of draining through the = head sink=20 drain, watch those vented loops. A friend of mine almost lost his = Tartan=20 10 the same way!

Art

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 David = Nauber=20

To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com= ;=20 rod=20 stright

Cc: Neal Melanson ; Mark Dixon=20 ; Jim=20 Mormile ; Arthur Kelley ; fxalbert@prodigy.net

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 = 8:55=20 AM

Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge = Pumps and=20 Tuning Guides

Hi Rod,

Wolverine's manual bilge pump is in the same location = as yours=20 and needs to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small = enough to=20 get back there, let me know.

Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water = system=20 pump on the starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible = from the=20 cockpit lazerette.

Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the = tuning guide?=20

Regards,

Dave

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>= =20 wrote:

From:=20 rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Subj= ect:=20 Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Cc:=20 "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>, = "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>,=20 "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>,=20 "David Nauber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>, = "Arthur=20 Kelley" <akelley@optonline.net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date:=20 Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM

Hi Fellow Frers 33=20 Sailors;

Hope you all had a great = season. =20 We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. = I have a=20 few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if = anyone has=20 any additional suggestions please let me know.

The second item I have = relates to some=20 problem areas relating to bilge pump location and=20 operation.

The manual bilge pump is = located on=20 the port side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and = discharges=20 overboard near the waterline. Convenient location but = a long=20 haul for the water to get overboard. I seem to be = loosing=20 suction. Difficult area to get to. Has anyone=20 experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify = it?=20
Electric bilge pump = located under the=20 port settee with the discharge port side aft just above the = manual=20 bilge pump near the gunwhale. There is a float switch = in the=20 bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the = pump. =20 Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the = discharge=20 hose is too long. The result is that even if the bilge = is full=20 it takes forever to empty it using the electric bilge = pump. =20 Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of if some = have moved=20 the bilge pump discharge location closer to the = pump.

Thanks in advance for your = replies.

Rod=20 = Stright
Equinox

------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA45FD.C9573AE0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 8 03:55:30 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides In-Reply-To: <328312.79309.qm@web59512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <725965.73241.qm@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --0-2102133436-1254970530=:73241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes, both pumps are under there. --- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber wrote: From: David Nauber Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 4:18 PM Hi Scott, =A0 That's where my pump for the shower drain is located. Are you saying that i= s where your bilge pump is too? =A0 Nice meeting you yesterday. =A0 Regards, =A0 Dave --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Scott Marino wrote: From: Scott Marino Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" , "Da= vid Nauber" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 1:56 PM Risoluto has a pump mounted on the bulkhead wall uner the vanity in the hea= d.=A0 The discharge is piped out the side of the boat in the area of the he= ad via a short hose.=A0 A smaller person can reach the pump for servicing a= nd the hose run is short for limited resistance. --- On Mon, 10/5/09, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: From: FRANCIS ALBERT Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" , "Da= vid Nauber" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:24 AM The previous owners for Relentless mounted a bilge pump in the port locker = under the port berth near the bulkhead wall of the head and just forward of= the batteries.=A0 This works well and allows you some elbow room to replac= e the diaphragm periodically although I never have replaced it.=A0 I bought= a small auto pump that would fit down fairly deep in the bilge and that ha= s worked pretty well.=A0 One thing that does affect water pump out ability = and you see it everywhere is the tubing that is corrugated.=A0 Each little = grove in that line slows the flow.=A0 For the best flow, and I didn't use i= t but should have, you want a smooth walled line. =A0 Frank Albert Relentless 41621 --- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber wrote: From: David Nauber Subject: Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:55 AM Hi Rod, =A0 Wolverine's=A0manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours and needs = to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get back there,= let me know. =A0 Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump on the= starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazeret= te.=20 =A0 Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?=20 =A0 Regards, =A0 Dave --- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright wrote: From: rod stright Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: "Neal Melanson" , "Mark Dixon" , "Jim Mormile" , "David Nauber" , "Arthur Kelley" , fxalbert@prodigy.net Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors; =A0 Hope you all had a great season.=A0 We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a= few months now.=A0 I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurem= ents) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me know. =A0 The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump= location and operation. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft o= f the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline.=A0 Convenient loca= tion but a long haul for the water to get overboard.=A0 I seem to be loosin= g suction.=A0 Difficult area to get to.=A0 Has anyone experienced this prob= lem and if so how did you rectify it? Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port s= ide aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale.=A0 There is a f= loat switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pu= mp.=A0 Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge = hose is too long.=A0 The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes = forever to empty it using the electric bilge pump.=A0 Wondering if everyone= has the same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge lo= cation closer to the pump. Thanks in advance for your replies. =A0 Rod Stright Equinox =0A=0A=0A --0-2102133436-1254970530=:73241 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A=0A --0-2102133436-1254970530=:73241-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Oct 11 19:37:21 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:37:21 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Secondary Winches, Message-ID: <000001ca4aa1$df1a3ff0$9d4ebfd0$@ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_FoeP/LVjeVZbDmrC4NDudA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Guys, Good deals on Harken Winches these days. Considering replacing my secondary winched (spinnaker winches) with a set of self tailers that will also come in handy for cruising or sailing short handed. Looking at Harken 32 2 speed Self Tailing. I assume others may have done the same and was wondering if you did so what size winches you used and how it worked out. Thanks Rod --Boundary_(ID_FoeP/LVjeVZbDmrC4NDudA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi Guys,

Good deals on Harken Winches these days. Considering replacing my secondary winched (spinnaker winches) with a set of self tailers that will also come in handy for cruising or sailing short handed. Looking at Harken 32 2 speed Self Tailing. I assume others may have done the same and was wondering if you did so what size winches you used and how it worked out.

Thanks

Rod

--Boundary_(ID_FoeP/LVjeVZbDmrC4NDudA)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 14 17:03:04 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Richard Saunders) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides In-Reply-To: <0B07B97A7E6249F79929396B96A03E46@CMSS> References: <0B07B97A7E6249F79929396B96A03E46@CMSS> Message-ID: <948195.24017.qm@web83805.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> --0-830923246-1255536184=:24017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rod,=A0 =0A=A0=0ARig measurements: Louis Nees, previous owner of Out of Rea= ch gave me this rig info in Feb '07 including those of Eclipse, a very well= sailed boat out of Boston at the time.=A0 I haven't measured Out of Reach= =A0myself,=A0nor are my rig tensions currently the same as I don't have=A0t= he proper Loos gage.=A0=A0 =0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= Out of Reach=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Eclipse=0A=0AForestay=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 45' 11= "=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A045' 9"=0ABackstay=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 47' 8"= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 48' 0.5"=0A=0ARig Tension=0AOuter= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 58 lbs=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 65 lbs=0AIntermediate 20=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 16=0ALower=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 20=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 27=0A------------------------------= ------=0A=A0=0ABilge pumps:=A0 Out of Reach has the same problematic Guzzle= r cockpit manual pump with it's lengthy hose and discharge aft.=A0 The bilg= e pump is a Jabsco mounted under the head vanity which discharges at just b= elow the gunwale in the head compartment.=A0 There is a strainer in the inp= ut hose, but no=A0level switch is used.=A0 The pump is operated=A0by a circ= uit breaker in the nav station panel.=A0 There is a small Rule pump with fl= oat switch in the sump under the engine=A0that discharges=A0starboard aft j= ust below gunwale.=A0 It is controlled by a=A03-way switch (On-Off-Auto) mo= unted just above the door under the galley sink.=A0 It doesn't work well, a= s it back flows what's left in the hose, and I never run it in Auto.=0A=A0= =0ADick Saunders=0AOut of Reach=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A_____________________________= ___=0AFrom: rod stright =0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers= 33.com=0ACc: Neal Melanson ; Mark Dixon ; Jim Mormile ; David Nauber ; Arthur Kelley ; fxalbert@prodigy.net=0ASen= t: Sunday, October 4, 2009 7:09:02 AM=0ASubject: [frers-list]Bilge Pumps an= d Tuning Guides=0A=0A=0AHi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;=0A=A0=0AHope you all ha= d a great season.=A0 We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now= .=A0 I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if any= one has any additional suggestions please let me know.=0A=A0=0AThe second i= tem I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump location an= d operation.=0A=091. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of t= he cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterlin= e.=A0 Convenient location but a long haul for the water to get overboard.= =A0 I seem to be loosing suction.=A0 Difficult area to get to.=A0 Has anyon= e experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify it?=0A=092. Electr= ic bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port side af= t just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale.=A0 There is a float s= witch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pump.=A0= Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge hose i= s too long.=A0 The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes foreve= r to empty it using the electric bilge pump.=A0 Wondering if everyone has t= he same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location= closer to the pump.=0AThanks in advance for your replies.=0A=A0=0ARod Stri= ght=0AEquinox --0-830923246-1255536184=:24017 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Rod,

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Rig measurements: Lo= uis Nees, previous owner of Out of Reach gave me this rig info in Feb '07 i= ncluding those of Eclipse, a very well sailed boat out of Boston at the tim= e. I haven't measured Out of Reach myself, nor are my rig t= ensions currently the same as I don't have the proper Loos gage. =

=0A

         =       Out of Reach     &n= bsp; Eclipse

Forestay      45' 11" &nb= sp;         45' 9"
Backsta= y      47' 8"      &= nbsp;       48' 0.5"

Rig Tension
Ou= ter           58 lbs = ;            &n= bsp;    65 lbs
Intermediate 20    &nb= sp;            = 16
Lower          20 =             &nb= sp;     27

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Bilge pumps: Out of Reach has the same pro= blematic Guzzler cockpit manual pump with it's lengthy hose and discharge a= ft. The bilge pump is a Jabsco mounted under the head vanity which di= scharges at just below the gunwale in the head compartment. There is = a strainer in the input hose, but no level switch is used. The p= ump is operated by a circuit breaker in the nav station panel. T= here is a small Rule pump with float switch in the sump under the engine&nb= sp;that discharges starboard aft just below gunwale. It is contr= olled by a 3-way switch (On-Off-Auto) mounted just above the door unde= r the galley sink. It doesn't work well, as it back flows what's left= in the hose, and I never run it in Auto.

=0A

Dick Sau= nders

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Out of Reach

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=0AFrom: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: frers-list@lists.frers33.co= m
Cc: Neal Melanson <= neal.melanson@gmail.com>; Mark Dixon <econmar@sbcglobal.net>; Jim = Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net>; David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com>= ;; Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>; fxalbert@prodigy.net
= Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 = 7:09:02 AM
Subject: [fre= rs-list]Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides

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Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;=0A

=0A

Hope you all had a great season. We've had = the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few minor chan= ges to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additional sugge= stions please let me know.

=0A

The second i= tem I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump location an= d operation.

=0A

The m= anual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft of the= wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline. Convenient locati= on but a long haul for the water to get overboard. I seem to be loosi= ng suction. Difficult area to get to. Has anyone experienced th= is problem and if so how did you rectify it?
Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with = the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwh= ale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose = before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too small, not working = properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result is that even i= f the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the electric bilge p= ump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of if some have m= oved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.

= =0A

Thanks in advance for your replies.<= /FONT>

=0A

=0ARod Stright
Equinox

--0-830923246-1255536184=:24017-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 15 00:14:06 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:14:06 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides References: <0B07B97A7E6249F79929396B96A03E46@CMSS> <948195.24017.qm@web83805.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8E19A8DBB58B4B5BAA372E61AF7CD078@ArtDell910> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA4D02.7FE83C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A good point to be made here perhaps. Out of Reach is from the Dead = Sea, I mean Long Island Sound, light wind terratory. Eclipse is from a = much windier region, hence higher righ tensions I would guess. Art ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Saunders=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [frers-list]Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides Rod, =20 Rig measurements: Louis Nees, previous owner of Out of Reach gave me = this rig info in Feb '07 including those of Eclipse, a very well sailed = boat out of Boston at the time. I haven't measured Out of Reach myself, = nor are my rig tensions currently the same as I don't have the proper = Loos gage. =20 Out of Reach Eclipse Forestay 45' 11" 45' 9" Backstay 47' 8" 48' 0.5" Rig Tension Outer 58 lbs 65 lbs Intermediate 20 16 Lower 20 27 ------------------------------------ Bilge pumps: Out of Reach has the same problematic Guzzler cockpit = manual pump with it's lengthy hose and discharge aft. The bilge pump is = a Jabsco mounted under the head vanity which discharges at just below = the gunwale in the head compartment. There is a strainer in the input = hose, but no level switch is used. The pump is operated by a circuit = breaker in the nav station panel. There is a small Rule pump with float = switch in the sump under the engine that discharges starboard aft just = below gunwale. It is controlled by a 3-way switch (On-Off-Auto) mounted = just above the door under the galley sink. It doesn't work well, as it = back flows what's left in the hose, and I never run it in Auto. Dick Saunders Out of Reach =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: rod stright To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: Neal Melanson ; Mark Dixon = ; Jim Mormile ; David = Nauber ; Arthur Kelley ; = fxalbert@prodigy.net Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 7:09:02 AM Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors; Hope you all had a great season. We've had the Tuning Guide posted = for a few months now. I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig = measurements) so if anyone has any additional suggestions please let me = know. The second item I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge = pump location and operation. 1.. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit = just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline. = Convenient location but a long haul for the water to get overboard. I = seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to get to. Has anyone = experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify it?=20 2.. Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with the = discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump near the = gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the = hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too small, not = working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result is that = even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the = electric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of = if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump. Thanks in advance for your replies. Rod Stright Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA4D02.7FE83C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A good point to be made here = perhaps. Out of=20 Reach is from the Dead Sea, I mean Long Island Sound, light wind=20 terratory. Eclipse is from a much windier region, hence higher = righ=20 tensions I would guess.

Art

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Richard = Saunders

To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com= =20

Sent: Wednesday, October 14, = 2009 12:03=20 PM

Subject: Re: [frers-list]Bilge = Pumps and=20 Tuning Guides

Rod,

Rig measurements: Louis Nees, previous owner of Out of Reach gave = me this=20 rig info in Feb '07 including those of Eclipse, a very well sailed = boat out of=20 Boston at the time. I haven't measured Out of=20 Reach myself, nor are my rig tensions currently the same as = I don't=20 have the proper Loos gage.

        &= nbsp;     =20 Out of Reach      =20 Eclipse

Forestay      45'=20 11"           = 45'=20 9"
Backstay      47'=20 = 8"            = ; =20 48' 0.5"

Rig=20 = Tension
Outer         &nb= sp;=20 58=20 = lbs           &nbs= p;     =20 65 lbs
Intermediate=20 = 20            = ;     =20 16
Lower         =20 = 20            = ;      =20 27

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Bilge pumps: Out of Reach has the same problematic Guzzler = cockpit=20 manual pump with it's lengthy hose and discharge aft. The bilge = pump is=20 a Jabsco mounted under the head vanity which discharges at just below = the=20 gunwale in the head compartment. There is a strainer in the = input hose,=20 but no level switch is used. The pump is operated by a = circuit=20 breaker in the nav station panel. There is a small Rule pump = with float=20 switch in the sump under the engine that = discharges starboard aft=20 just below gunwale. It is controlled by a 3-way switch=20 (On-Off-Auto) mounted just above the door under the galley sink. = It=20 doesn't work well, as it back flows what's left in the hose, and I = never run=20 it in Auto.

Dick Saunders

Out of Reach

From: rod stright=20 <strightr@eastlink.ca>
To:=20 frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: Neal Melanson=20 <neal.melanson@gmail.com>; Mark Dixon = <econmar@sbcglobal.net>; Jim=20 Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net>; David Nauber = <dnauber@yahoo.com>;=20 Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>; = fxalbert@prodigy.net
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 = 7:09:02=20 AM
Subject: = [frers-list]Bilge=20 Pumps and Tuning Guides

Hi Fellow Frers 33 = Sailors;

Hope you all had a great = season. We've=20 had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few = minor=20 changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any = additional=20 suggestions please let me know.

The second item I have relates to = some problem=20 areas relating to bilge pump location and operation.

The manual bilge pump is located = on the port=20 side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard = near the=20 waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water = to get=20 overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area = to get=20 to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you = rectify=20 it?=20
Electric bilge pump located under = the port=20 settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge = pump=20 near the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a = strainer=20 in the hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too = small,=20 not working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The = result is=20 that even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using = the=20 electric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same = arrangement of=20 if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the=20 pump.

Thanks in advance for your=20 replies.

Rod=20 = Stright
Equinox

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA4D02.7FE83C40-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 20 08:26:59 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:26:59 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Used Sails and Winches Message-ID: <000601ca5156$b690ca20$23b25e60$@ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ca0QNTFMvzNrPlDdx39bSA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Guys, Hope you all had a great season. Have some sails and winches that I'll be selling and thought they may be of interest to Frers 33 owners first since they are Frers 33 items: 1. Banks spinnaker white .6 oz very good condition 2. One .5 oz spinnaker blue and red in good condition 3. One Dacron heavy blade 4. One Barrient # 21 Two speed Self Tailing (cabin top) winch black anodized aluminum in excellent condition. 5. One Barrient # 21 Two speed Self Tailing (cabin top) winch drum missing but otherwise in good condition for parts new parts. Good for spares, drum went overboard just after I got $300 worth of new parts. If you are interested let me know as I will be advertising them elsewhere soon. Rod --Boundary_(ID_ca0QNTFMvzNrPlDdx39bSA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi Guys,

Hope you all had a great season. Have some sails and winches that I’ll be selling and thought they may be of interest to Frers 33 owners first since they are Frers 33 items:

1. Banks spinnaker white .6 oz very good condition

2. One .5 oz spinnaker blue and red in good condition

3. One Dacron heavy blade

4. One Barrient # 21 Two speed Self Tailing (cabin top) winch black anodized aluminum in excellent condition.

5. One Barrient # 21 Two speed Self Tailing (cabin top) winch drum missing but otherwise in good condition for parts new parts. Good for spares, drum went overboard just after I got $300 worth of new parts.

If you are interested let me know as I will be advertising them elsewhere soon.

Rod

--Boundary_(ID_ca0QNTFMvzNrPlDdx39bSA)--

yes, both pumps are under there.

--- O= n Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:=

From: David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com>
S= ubject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list= @lists.frers33.com
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 4:18 PM

Hi Scott,

That's where my pump for the shower drain is located. Are you saying t= hat is where your bilge pump is too?

Nice meeting you yesterday.

Regards,

Dave

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Scott Marino <scottamarino@y= ahoo.com> wrote:

From: Scott Marino <scottamarino@yahoo.com>=
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers= -list@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>, "David= Nauber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson= @gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" &= lt;jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.net><= BR>Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 1:56 PM

Risoluto has a pump mounted on the bulkhead wall uner the = vanity in the head. The discharge is piped out the side of the boat i= n the area of the head via a short hose. A smaller person can reach t= he pump for servicing and the hose run is short for limited resistance.
=
--- On Mon, 10/5/09, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net><= /I> wrote:

From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>=
Subject: [frers-list]Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-lis= t@lists.frers33.com, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>, "David Nau= ber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gma= il.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <j= im.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.net>
D= ate: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:24 AM

=

The previous owners for Relentless mounted a bilge pump in the port lo= cker under the port berth near the bulkhead wall of the head and just forwa= rd of the batteries. This works well and allows you some elbow room t= o replace the diaphragm periodically although I never have replaced it.&nbs= p; I bought a small auto pump that would fit down fairly deep in the bilge = and that has worked pretty well. One thing that does affect water pum= p out ability and you see it everywhere is the tubing that is corrugated.&n= bsp; Each little grove in that line slows the flow. For the best flow= , and I didn't use it but should have, you want a smooth walled line.

Frank Albert

Relentless

41621

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, David Nauber <= dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com>
S= ubject: Re: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.c= om, "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <n= eal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <econmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Ji= m Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonl= ine.net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:55 AM=

Hi Rod,

Wolverine's manual bilge pump is in the same location as yours an= d needs to be repaired/replaced. If you know anyone small enough to get bac= k there, let me know.

Our automatic bilge pump is mounted near the fresh water system pump o= n the starboard side aft of the engine. It's accessible from the cockpit lazerette.

Do I owe you any other measurements or photos for the tuning guide?

Regards,

Dave

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, rod stright <strightr@eastli= nk.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>Subject: Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Cc: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>, "Mark Dixon" <e= conmar@sbcglobal.net>, "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>, "Davi= d Nauber" <dnauber@yahoo.com>, "Arthur Kelley" <akelley@optonline.= net>, fxalbert@prodigy.net
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:09 AM
=

Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;

Hope you all had a great season. = We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few = minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additi= onal suggestions please let me know.

The second item I have relates to some = problem areas relating to bilge pump location and operation.

The manual bilge pump is located on the = port side of the cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard nea= r the waterline. Convenient location but a long haul for the water to= get overboard. I seem to be loosing suction. Difficult area to= get to. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so how did you re= ctify it?

Electric bilge pump located under the po= rt settee with the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump= near the gunwhale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strain= er in the hose before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too smal= l, not working properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result= is that even if the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the e= lectric bilge pump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of= if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Rod Stright
Equinox