From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Sep 3 05:20:32 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Jeremy Keene) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:20:32 -0600 Subject: [frers-list]Fwd: Cored Hull Issues? In-Reply-To: <350ecd3c0908301355t204eda2du2023aefd4eb46308@mail.gmail.com> References: <350ecd3c0908301355t204eda2du2023aefd4eb46308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <350ecd3c0909022120o1d3df94cpab1d3f052863b2a2@mail.gmail.com> --0016e6db66fa54fe1f0472a4b421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry, couldn't tell if this got posted or not... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jeremy Keene Date: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM Subject: Cored Hull Issues? To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Hello, I'm looking at a Frers 33 that is for sale at our dock. Doing a little research, it seems that the cored hull could be a concern (see link below), especially with any kind of damage or improper hardware installation. Has anyone experienced these types of issues with the Frers 33? Is the entire hull cored, or just the topsides? http://www.yachtsurvey.com/cored_hull_bottoms.htm Thanks --0016e6db66fa54fe1f0472a4b421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, couldn't tell if this got posted or not...

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From: Jeremy Keene <jerkeene@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Subject: Cored Hull Issues?
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= /a>

Hello,

I'm looking at a Frers 33 that is for sale= at our dock. Doing a little research, it seems that the cored hull could b= e a concern (see link below), especially with any kind of damage or imprope= r hardware installation. Has anyone experienced these types of issues with = the Frers 33? Is the entire hull cored, or just the topsides?

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/cored_hull_bottoms.htm

Than= ks

--0016e6db66fa54fe1f0472a4b421-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Sep 3 22:12:46 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Mark Dixon) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:12:46 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Fwd: Cored Hull Issues? In-Reply-To: <350ecd3c0909022120o1d3df94cpab1d3f052863b2a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <350ecd3c0908301355t204eda2du2023aefd4eb46308@mail.gmail.com> <350ecd3c0909022120o1d3df94cpab1d3f052863b2a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA0314E.6060302@sbcglobal.net> Hi Jeremy. In looking at those photos in the article, I see issues where the author only used info that supports his theories. To wit, look at the photo withthe diamond plate non skid..... I haven't seen any like thatsince a 70s vintage Taylorcraft! (Ugh). I wouldn't be overly concerned about generic into but more about the boat you're looking at, and its survey. Where or what boat are you looking at? Where do you sail? If I'm not mistaken, the F33 is balsa cored to the waterline and solid glass below. Regards, Mark From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Sep 4 01:50:18 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Fwd: Cored Hull Issues? In-Reply-To: <4AA0314E.6060302@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3280.4474.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-95542989-1252025418=:4474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure if the Frers 33=A0had core material=A0below the water line=A0b= ut I don't believe it did.=A0 Below is a=A0portion of a review of the Frers= 33.=A0 =A0 =A0 The hull and deck of the Frers 33 were built utilizing a composite construc= tion of fiberglass and resin laminates on either side of a core material. T= he hull is cored with balsa throughout. Because balsa is subject to failure= under high compression loads, deck areas subject to high compression loads= are cored with plywood, and other deck areas are cored with balsa for its = lighter weight.=20 When core material is introduced into a fiberglass composite, production qu= ality control becomes considerably more important. Carroll Marine Ltd. has = considerable experience building boats utilizing core materials and, for th= e most part, seems to do an outstanding job. My experience with the Frers 3= 3 has shown no problems with the hull composites, although I have noted som= e failures of the athwart ship floor between the head and the hanging locke= r and some secondary bonding failures at the main structure bulkhead port a= nd starboard of the mast. My experience has shown mild to moderate delamina= tion and moisture penetration of the decks which further emphasizes the abs= olute necessity for properly mounting deck hardware on any cored deck.=20 --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Mark Dixon wrote: From: Mark Dixon Subject: Re: [frers-list]Fwd: Cored Hull Issues? To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 5:12 PM Hi Jeremy.=A0 In looking at those photos in the article, I see issues where= the author only used info that supports his theories. To wit, look at the = photo withthe diamond plate non skid..... I haven't seen any like thatsince= a 70s vintage Taylorcraft! (Ugh).=A0 I wouldn't be overly concerned about = generic into but more about the boat you're looking at, and its survey. Where or what boat are you looking at? Where do you sail? If I'm not mistaken, the F33 is balsa cored to the waterline and solid glas= s below. Regards, Mark _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --0-95542989-1252025418=:4474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not sure if the Frers 33 had co= re material below the water line but I don't believe it did. = ; Below is a portion of a review of the Frers 33.

The hull and deck of the Frers 33 were built utilizing a composite con= struction of fiberglass and resin laminates on either side of a core materi= al. The hull is cored with balsa throughout. Because balsa is subject to fa= ilure under high compression loads, deck areas subject to high compression = loads are cored with plywood, and other deck areas are cored with balsa for= its lighter weight.

When core material is introduced into a fiberg= lass composite, production quality control becomes considerably more import= ant. Carroll Marine Ltd. has considerable experience building boats utilizi= ng core materials and, for the most part, seems to do an outstanding job. M= y experience with the Frers 33 has shown no problems with the hull composit= es, although I have noted some failures of the athwart ship floor between t= he head and the hanging locker and some secondary bonding failures at the m= ain structure bulkhead port and starboard of the mast. My experience has shown mild to moderate delamination and moisture penetration of the de= cks which further emphasizes the absolute necessity for properly mounting d= eck hardware on any cored deck.

--- On Thu, 9/3/09, Mark Dixon <econmar@sbcglobal.net= > wrote:

From: Mark Dixon <econmar@sbcglobal.net>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Fwd: Cored Hull Issues?
To: frers-list@lists.f= rers33.com
Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 5:12 PM

Hi Jeremy. In looking at those photos in the a= rticle, I see issues where the author only used info that supports his theo= ries. To wit, look at the photo withthe diamond plate non skid..... I haven= 't seen any like thatsince a 70s vintage Taylorcraft! (Ugh). I wouldn= 't be overly concerned about generic into but more about the boat you're lo= oking at, and its survey.
Where or what boat are you looking at? Where d= o you sail?
If I'm not mistaken, the F33 is balsa cored to the waterline= and solid glass below.
Regards, Mark
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--0-95542989-1252025418=:4474-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Sep 4 12:16:45 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:16:45 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Fwd: Cored Hull Issues? References: <3280.4474.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <643C79AF2C0144C88AD2454C54512A03@ArtDell910> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA2D2F.A92C0E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually from Frank's excerpt which I believe was from Jack Horner's = review, I believe the bottom is cored, but I do not know this for a = fact. I can tell you that the Tartan 10 class is fraught with problems with = hulls delaminating as they were built in rush, and the builder really = skimped on resin in the layup, partly to minimize weight (7500 lbs?). A = friend of mine bought one of these as a project, and what a project it = was. As Frank and Jack point out, the quality of the original = construction is key! That said, if you take a collision below the waterline, or install a new = through hull fitting, make absolutely sure you yoju properly treat the = interior of the hole with epoxy resin to seal the core. Of course you = are unlikely ever to need to drill a new hole in the bottom. On the other hand, people regularly change deck fittings. Most builders = core the topsides and deck to reduce weight and lower the center of = gravity. As Jack points out in the article, a responsible builder uses = a plywood core in areas where winches and high-strain items are = installed to reduce compression issues, and to reduce the effects of any = water intrusion into the core. If you climb into the lazerette on a = sunny day, you can see the placement of the plywood as shadows in the = deck. Have the boat surveyed by a responsible surveyor. He needs to tap the = full and deck with a plastic faced mallet to check for delamination, and = use a moisture meter all over. There is a reasonable liklihood of = moisture in the deck near the shrouds as that area works quite a bit = (common to all cored decks). This is not a bad repair job if it ever = needs to be done, not like a bottom. A couple of owners have reported = doing this. The other area I have heard of as being a problem is the mast step. = Problems there tend to be obvious. Later boats were modified slightly, = and a retrofit was offered by Carroll Marine to change the loading on = the step. Look for a short shroud below deck tieing the deck to the = mast. Not absolutely required, but it's presence indicates the = modification was made. In all, among boats of the same age and category (racer/cruiser), the = boats are very well built, well respected, and holding their value well. = The problems we've discussed on this forum (which you can read in the = archives) are all pretty typical, and fewer than most similar boats. I have only known of one Frers 33 that had a significant problem. I = personally walked the deck and felt the softness. I rejected the boat = out of hand. The person who bought the boat a couple of years later, = got it at a good price and did a complete refit. Good luck with your decision, and keep in touch if you move forward with = the purchase. Art ----- Original Message -----=20 From: FRANCIS ALBERT=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [frers-list]Fwd: Cored Hull Issues? I'm not sure if the Frers 33 had core material below the water = line but I don't believe it did. Below is a portion of a review of the = Frers 33.=20 The hull and deck of the Frers 33 were built utilizing a = composite construction of fiberglass and resin laminates on either side = of a core material. The hull is cored with balsa throughout. Because = balsa is subject to failure under high compression loads, deck areas = subject to high compression loads are cored with plywood, and other deck = areas are cored with balsa for its lighter weight.=20 When core material is introduced into a fiberglass composite, = production quality control becomes considerably more important. Carroll = Marine Ltd. has considerable experience building boats utilizing core = materials and, for the most part, seems to do an outstanding job. My = experience with the Frers 33 has shown no problems with the hull = composites, although I have noted some failures of the athwart ship = floor between the head and the hanging locker and some secondary bonding = failures at the main structure bulkhead port and starboard of the mast. = My experience has shown mild to moderate delamination and moisture = penetration of the decks which further emphasizes the absolute necessity = for properly mounting deck hardware on any cored deck.=20 --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Mark Dixon wrote: From: Mark Dixon Subject: Re: [frers-list]Fwd: Cored Hull Issues? To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 5:12 PM Hi Jeremy. In looking at those photos in the article, I see = issues where the author only used info that supports his theories. To = wit, look at the photo withthe diamond plate non skid..... I haven't = seen any like thatsince a 70s vintage Taylorcraft! (Ugh). I wouldn't be = overly concerned about generic into but more about the boat you're = looking at, and its survey. Where or what boat are you looking at? Where do you sail? If I'm not mistaken, the F33 is balsa cored to the waterline = and solid glass below. Regards, Mark _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA2D2F.A92C0E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Actually from Frank's excerpt which I = believe was=20 from Jack Horner's review, I believe the bottom is cored, but I do not = know this=20 for a fact.

I can tell you that the Tartan 10 class = is fraught=20 with problems with hulls delaminating as they were built in rush, and = the=20 builder really skimped on resin in the layup, partly to minimize = weight=20 (7500 lbs?). A friend of mine bought one of these as a project, = and what a=20 project it was. As Frank and Jack point out, the quality of the = original=20 construction is key!

That said, if you take a collision = below the=20 waterline, or install a new through hull fitting, make absolutely sure = you yoju=20 properly treat the interior of the hole with epoxy resin to seal the = core. =20 Of course you are unlikely ever to need to drill a new hole in the=20 bottom.

On the other hand, people regularly = change deck=20 fittings. Most builders core the topsides and deck to reduce = weight and=20 lower the center of gravity. As Jack points out in the article, a=20 responsible builder uses a plywood core in areas where winches and = high-strain=20 items are installed to reduce compression issues, and to reduce the = effects of=20 any water intrusion into the core. If you climb into the lazerette = on a=20 sunny day, you can see the placement of the plywood as shadows in the=20 deck.

Have the boat surveyed by a responsible = surveyor. He needs to tap the full and deck with a plastic faced = mallet to=20 check for delamination, and use a moisture meter all over. There = is a=20 reasonable liklihood of moisture in the deck near the shrouds as that = area works=20 quite a bit (common to all cored decks). This is not a bad repair = job if=20 it ever needs to be done, not like a bottom. A couple of owners = have=20 reported doing this.

The other area I have heard of as being = a problem=20 is the mast step. Problems there tend to be obvious. = Later=20 boats were modified slightly, and a retrofit was offered by Carroll = Marine to change the loading on the step. Look for a short = shroud=20 below deck tieing the deck to the mast. Not absolutely required, = but it's=20 presence indicates the modification was made.

In all, among boats of the same age and = category=20 (racer/cruiser), the boats are very well built, well respected, and = holding=20 their value well. The problems we've discussed on this forum (which = you can=20 read in the archives) are all pretty typical, and fewer than most = similar=20 boats.

I have only known of one Frers 33 that = had a=20 significant problem. I personally walked the deck and felt = the=20 softness. I rejected the boat out of hand. The person who = bought the=20 boat a couple of years later, got it at a good price and did a complete=20 refit.

Good luck with your decision, and keep = in touch if=20 you move forward with the purchase.

Art

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 FRANCIS=20 ALBERT

To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com= =20

Sent: Thursday, September 03, = 2009 8:50=20 PM

Subject: Re: [frers-list]Fwd: = Cored Hull=20 Issues?

I'm not sure if the Frers 33 had core = material below the=20 water line but I don't believe it did. Below is=20 a portion of a review of the Frers 33.

The hull and deck of the Frers 33 were built utilizing a = composite=20 construction of fiberglass and resin laminates on either side of = a core=20 material. The hull is cored with balsa throughout. Because balsa = is=20 subject to failure under high compression loads, deck areas = subject to=20 high compression loads are cored with plywood, and other deck = areas are=20 cored with balsa for its lighter weight.

When core = material is=20 introduced into a fiberglass composite, production quality = control=20 becomes considerably more important. Carroll Marine Ltd. has=20 considerable experience building boats utilizing core materials = and, for=20 the most part, seems to do an outstanding job. My experience = with the=20 Frers 33 has shown no problems with the hull composites, = although I have=20 noted some failures of the athwart ship floor between the head = and the=20 hanging locker and some secondary bonding failures at the main = structure=20 bulkhead port and starboard of the mast. My experience has shown = mild to=20 moderate delamination and moisture penetration of the decks = which=20 further emphasizes the absolute necessity for properly mounting = deck=20 hardware on any cored deck.

--- On Thu, 9/3/09, Mark Dixon=20 <econmar@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Mark=20 Dixon <econmar@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: = [frers-list]Fwd:=20 Cored Hull Issues?
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date:=20 Thursday, September 3, 2009, 5:12 PM

Hi Jeremy. In looking at those = photos in=20 the article, I see issues where the author only used info that = supports his theories. To wit, look at the photo withthe = diamond plate=20 non skid..... I haven't seen any like thatsince a 70s vintage=20 Taylorcraft! (Ugh). I wouldn't be overly concerned about = generic=20 into but more about the boat you're looking at, and its=20 survey.
Where or what boat are you looking at? Where do you = sail?
If I'm not mistaken, the F33 is balsa cored to the = waterline=20 and solid glass below.
Regards,=20 = Mark
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frers-list@lists.frers33.= com
http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<= BR>

------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA2D2F.A92C0E30-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Sep 5 19:27:13 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bob A.) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:27:13 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Fwd: Cored Hull Issues? References: <3280.4474.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <643C79AF2C0144C88AD2454C54512A03@ArtDell910> Message-ID: <000901ca2e56$7d33eaa0$a0b12e18@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_D1iDLbb7VTElTu/KRO5S6Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If memory serves me correctly, the topsides down to about the waterline are cored.....the bottom is solid laminate. If one looks under the bunks inside the cabin, a change in hull thickness can be seen. I believe this is the transition from cored to solid. Bob Ames, Windswept 3. --Boundary_(ID_D1iDLbb7VTElTu/KRO5S6Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

If memory serves me correctly, the topsides down to about the waterline are cored.....the bottom is solid laminate.

If one looks under the bunks inside the cabin, a change in hull thickness can be seen. I believe this is the transition from cored to solid.

Bob Ames, Windswept 3.

--Boundary_(ID_D1iDLbb7VTElTu/KRO5S6Q)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Sep 11 06:01:17 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (John Rimel) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:01:17 -0600 Subject: [frers-list]Compressed Natural Gas conversion to propane on the Frers 33 Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-75--539828958 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We're possibly looking at a 1981 Frers 33. It appears to be equipped with compressed natural gas (CNG) for stove, cabin heat and hot water. Storage of the tanks is not currently isolated from the cabin and engine compartments. I know CNG was a popular option for a number of boats made in the 80s, but am wondering if any Frers 33 owners have converted to propane and how they have handled the addition of a fuel storage locker. It seems today that availability of CNG might be difficult to come by and that switching to another more readily available fuel source might make sense. However a conversion, due to venting issues, is not without problems. I've been reading over the archives and have been very impressed with the community and fellowship this group has. I've been crewing on a Frers 30 and am excited about the prospect of sailing a 33. Thanks in advance. Best, John Rimel E-mail: jrimel@mtnpress.com --Apple-Mail-75--539828958 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We're possibly looking at a = 1981 Frers 33. It appears to be equipped with compressed natural gas = (CNG) for stove, cabin heat and hot water. Storage of the tanks is not = currently isolated from the cabin and engine compartments. I know CNG = was a popular option for a number of boats made in the 80s, but am = wondering if any Frers 33 owners have converted to propane and how they = have handled the addition of a fuel storage locker. It seems today that = availability of CNG might be difficult to come by and that switching to = another more readily available fuel source might make sense. However a = conversion, due to venting issues, is not without = problems.

I've been reading over the archives = and have been very impressed with the community and fellowship this = group has. I've been crewing on a Frers 30 and am excited about the = prospect of sailing a 33.

Thanks in = advance.

Best,

John Rimel

E-mail: jrimel@mtnpress.com

= --Apple-Mail-75--539828958-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Sep 11 16:39:02 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bob A.) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:39:02 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Compressed Natural Gas conversion to propane on the Frers 33 References: Message-ID: <001601ca32f5$fd95a6e0$a0b12e18@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Y9UJTrMWCgN0bhmq91KHyw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT John: My Frers was equipped with CNG. Even though it's heat content was less than propane, it provided more than enough for the stove/oven. ( hot water was via engine cooling water heat exchanger. ) Being lighter than air, any leaking CNG would vent up-and-out, and not down into the bilge/engine area as would propane. With the diesel engine and CNG cooking, I felt I had the safest racer / cruiser configuration. Bob Ames. --Boundary_(ID_Y9UJTrMWCgN0bhmq91KHyw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

John:

My Frers was equipped with CNG. Even though it's heat content was less than propane, it provided more than enough for the stove/oven. ( hot water was via engine cooling water heat exchanger. ) Being lighter than air, any leaking CNG would vent up-and-out, and not down into the bilge/engine area as would propane.

With the diesel engine and CNG cooking, I felt I had the safest racer / cruiser configuration.

Bob Ames.

--Boundary_(ID_Y9UJTrMWCgN0bhmq91KHyw)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Sep 11 18:34:55 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (John Rimel) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:34:55 -0600 Subject: [frers-list]correction Message-ID: <7F4ED1D7-68EE-4EB7-8356-EF4D9695408A@mtnpress.com> --Apple-Mail-78--494611663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies, the boat we're looking at is a 1986, not 1981. John Rimel E-mail: jrimel@mtnpress.com Cell: 406-880-2464 --Apple-Mail-78--494611663 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My apologies, the boat we're = looking at is a 1986, not 1981.

John Rimel

E-mail: jrimel@mtnpress.com

Cell: 406-880-2464

= --Apple-Mail-78--494611663-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Sep 12 11:57:37 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:57:37 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Blower Frers 33 Message-ID: <3C436AA3582D4E4DAF86459E5D383C19@CMSS> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_agbEEjZdvklJmOqWhtatbA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Guys, Just wondering if anyone has installed a bilge blower in the Frers 33? Although not required for the diesel it does do a good job of removing the smell of diesel and helping with the flow of air around the engine. Just curious if anyone has installed one and if so where the exhaust is located. Thanks Rod Stright Equinox --Boundary_(ID_agbEEjZdvklJmOqWhtatbA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi Guys,

Just wondering if anyone has installed a bilge blower in the Frers 33? Although not required for the diesel it does do a good job of removing the smell of diesel and helping with the flow of air around the engine.

Just curious if anyone has installed one and if so where the exhaust is located.

Thanks

Rod Stright
Equinox

--Boundary_(ID_agbEEjZdvklJmOqWhtatbA)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Sep 12 12:23:55 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Blower Frers 33 In-Reply-To: <3C436AA3582D4E4DAF86459E5D383C19@CMSS> Message-ID: <823803.99909.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --0-337790718-1252754635=:99909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rod, I acquired Risoluto with a bilge blower already installed.=A0 The exhaust i= s located near the top of the transom inside the cockpit. Scott --- On Sat, 9/12/09, rod stright wrote: From: rod stright Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Blower Frers 33 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 6:57 AM Hi Guys, =A0 Just wondering if anyone has installed a bilge blower in the Frers 33? =A0A= lthough not required for the diesel it does do a good job of removing the s= mell of diesel and helping with the flow of air around the engine. =A0 Just curious if anyone has installed one and if so where the exhaust is loc= ated. =A0 Thanks Rod Stright Equinox=0A=0A=0A --0-337790718-1252754635=:99909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rod,

I acquired Risoluto with a bilge blower already installed. The e= xhaust is located near the top of the transom inside the cockpit.

Scott

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, rod stright <strightr@eastl= ink.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Blower Frers 33
To: frers-list@lists.frers33= .com
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 6:57 AM

Hi Guys,

Just wondering if anyone has installed = a bilge blower in the Frers 33? Although not required for the diesel = it does do a good job of removing the smell of diesel and helping with the = flow of air around the engine.

Just curious if anyone has installed on= e and if so where the exhaust is located.

Thanks

Rod Stright
Equinox

=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-337790718-1252754635=:99909-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Sep 12 15:22:07 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:22:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Blower Frers 33 In-Reply-To: <823803.99909.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <3C436AA3582D4E4DAF86459E5D383C19@CMSS> <823803.99909.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_x5Lf54nZ7GL7E+Cgxogz3A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Mine is similarly equipped, vent just below the helm seat. Art ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Marino Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:29 am Subject: Re: [frers-list]Bilge Blower Frers 33 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Rod, > I acquired Risoluto with a bilge blower already installed. The > exhaust is located near the top of the transom inside the cockpit. > Scott > > --- On Sat, 9/12/09, rod stright wrote: > > > From: rod stright > Subject: [frers-list]Bilge Blower Frers 33 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 6:57 AM > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > Just wondering if anyone has installed a bilge blower in the > Frers 33? Although not required for the diesel it does do a > good job of removing the smell of diesel and helping with the > flow of air around the engine. > > Just curious if anyone has installed one and if so where the > exhaust is located. > > Thanks > Rod Stright > Equinox > > > --Boundary_(ID_x5Lf54nZ7GL7E+Cgxogz3A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline =3CDIV=3EMine is similarly equipped=2C vent just below the helm seat=2E=3C= /DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=26nbsp=3B=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3EArt=3CBR=3E=3CBR=3E----- Original Message -----=3CBR=3EFrom=3A = Scott Marino =3CSCOTTAMARINO=40YAHOO=2ECOM=3E=3CBR=3EDate=3A Saturday=2C= September 12=2C 2009 7=3A29 am=3CBR=3ESubject=3A Re=3A =5Bfrers-list=5D= Bilge Blower Frers=26nbsp=3B33=3CBR=3ETo=3A frers-list=40lists=2Efrers33= =2Ecom=3CBR=3E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Rod=2C=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B I acquired Risolut= o=26nbsp=3Bwith a bilge blower already installed=2E=26nbsp=3B The =3CBR=3E= =26gt=3B exhaust is located near the top of the transom inside the cockp= it=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Scott=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B --- On Sat=2C= 9/12/09=2C rod stright=26nbsp=3B=3CSTRIGHTR=40EASTLINK=2ECA=3Ewrote=3A=3C= BR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B From=3A rod stright=26nb= sp=3B=3CSTRIGHTR=40EASTLINK=2ECA=3E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Subject=3A =5Bfrers-= list=5DBilge Blower Frers=26nbsp=3B33=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B To=3A frers-list=40= lists=2Efrers33=2Ecom=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Date=3A Saturday=2C September 12=2C= 2009=2C 6=3A57 AM=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3C= BR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Hi Guys=2C=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B= =26nbsp=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Just wondering if anyone has installed a bil= ge blower in the =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Frers=26nbsp=3B33=3F =26nbsp=3BAlthoug= h not required for the diesel it does do a =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B good job of = removing the smell of diesel and helping with the =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B flow = of air around the engine=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26nbsp=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B J= ust curious if anyone has installed one and if so where the =3CBR=3E=26g= t=3B exhaust is located=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26nbsp=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Th= anks=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Rod Stright=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Equinox=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B= =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3C/DIV=3E --Boundary_(ID_x5Lf54nZ7GL7E+Cgxogz3A)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Sep 18 04:04:42 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Mark Dixon) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:04:42 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]missing boats Message-ID: <4AB2F8CA.8010902@sbcglobal.net> To all: Since hull #1 has been located, does anyone know what happened to Gorilla, Vamp, Up Town Girl? What was the name of Haupia before that name. Put on your trivia caps..... Regards, Mark From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Sep 18 14:08:47 2009 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dan Boyd) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:08:47 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]missing boats In-Reply-To: <4AB2F8CA.8010902@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0048381885257635_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Mark et al, Hull #37 was originally named Gorilla. She then became Freight Train and is now WildThing. Cheers, Dan Dan Boyd Biogen Idec Inc Tel: 1.617.679.2274 Fax: 1.617.679.3599 Mark Dixon Sent by: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com 17-Sep-2009 11:04 PM Please respond to frers-list@lists.frers33.com Message Size: 4.4 KB To frers-list@lists.frers33.com cc Subject [frers-list]missing boats To all: Since hull #1 has been located, does anyone know what happened to Gorilla, Vamp, Up Town Girl? What was the name of Haupia before that name. 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Mark et al,

Hull #37 was originally named Gorilla. She then became Freight Train and is now WildThing.

Cheers,
Dan

Dan Boyd
Biogen Idec Inc
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