[frers-list]Origo stove and oven
Arthur Kelley
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:33:24 -0400
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Oops - sorry I mis-spoke. The water heater is only 15 lbs. It's spelled =
out in the rules.
Art
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Arthur Kelley=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Origo stove and oven
Frank,
The weight would be 40 lbs and is on the opposite side of the bulkhead =
of the ice box. I sure we would figure out something if you came to a =
one design event. We definitely want an inclusive fleet but want to =
protect all owners against someone who just wants to beat the rules. If =
you race only PHRF then the one design prescriptions go out the window. =
However to maintain resale and protect the future owner if they want to =
do one design we suggest keeping changes modest and reversable.=20
Art Kelley
On Oct 27, 2010, at 7:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> =
wrote:
I think Arthur hits the spirt of the rule along with the =
letter of it. However, on my boat I not only didn't get the water =
heater, I don't even have the shelf he's talking about so yikes what =
kind of weight would I be adding. Anyone know what the water heater =
weighs? =20
Looks like I may not truck the boat up to Newport anytime =
soon.
Frank Albert
--- On Wed, 10/27/10, Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net> =
wrote:
From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Origo stove and oven
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =
<frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 4:32 PM
Looking at the rules as spelled out in the Word doc on the =
site:
5.
If the hot water heater (15 lbs) or fuel tank (40 lbs, @1/4 =
full) or oven (40 lbs excluding two burner stove top) have been =
permanently moved, removed, or not obtained when the boat was built, a =
weight equal to the item shall be affixed in its intended location =
during all racing events.
A few important principles come out.=20
1. It does not allow that the stove can be removed, only the =
oven. We can discuss how to handle a missing stove in another thread if =
necessary.=20
2. The oven is assumed to be replaceable with 40 lbs of =
weight.=20
3. Substituted weight must be affixed in the intended =
location.=20
4. Anyone want to pull out their fuel tank?
#3 means that hot water heater substitute weight for =
example, cannot be consolidated to the bilge, but must be in the =
lazarette on the shelf where the heater would have been. With regards to =
the oven I suspect it is generally agreed that the weight can be placed =
in the space below the stove not necessarily bolted to the bottom of the =
stove. However it should be noted that safety, not only the letter of =
the rules suggest (require?) that the weights be affixed so that in the =
event of a knock down that they do not become life threatening =
projectiles.=20
We need to be mindful that the one design rules are designed =
to ensure that an owner who cruises the boat can remain competitive with =
another boat which is used exclusively for racing. It is not designed to =
be a strategy for removing a bunch of distributed weight and =
consolidating it centerline below the waterline.=20
Thoughts?
Art Kelley
On Oct 27, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Neal Melanson =
<neal.melanson@gmail.com> wrote:
...lets all check the Class rules before we start on any =
weight saving programs. I started a fire storm years ago over PBO =
Backstays and Carbon Fibre Rudders.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Rod Stright =
<StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:
Anyone interested in purchasing an Origo stove and oven =
for the Frers 33, like new condition seldom used. Intend to replace =
with an Origo two burner stove, would consider a trade.
Rod
Equinox
902-444-0016
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Oops - sorry I mis-spoke. The =
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only 15 lbs. It's spelled out in the rules.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Art</FONT></DIV>
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2010 8:27=20
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stove and=20
oven</DIV>
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<DIV>Frank,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The weight would be 40 lbs and is on the opposite side of the =
bulkhead of=20
the ice box. I sure we would figure out something if you came to a one =
design=20
event. We definitely want an inclusive fleet but want to protect all =
owners=20
against someone who just wants to beat the rules. If you race only =
PHRF then=20
the one design prescriptions go out the window. However to maintain =
resale and=20
protect the future owner if they want to do one design we suggest =
keeping=20
changes modest and reversable. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Art Kelley</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Oct 27, 2010, at 7:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net</A>>=20
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<DIV>I think Arthur hits the spirt of the rule along with the =
letter=20
of it. However, on my boat I not only didn't get the =
water=20
heater, I don't even have the shelf he's talking about so =
yikes what=20
kind of weight would I be adding. Anyone know what the =
water=20
heater weighs? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Looks like I may not truck the boat up to Newport anytime =
soon.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>--- On <B>Wed, 10/27/10, Arthur Kelley <I><<A=20
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wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Arthur Kelley <<A=20
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Re: [frers-list]Origo stove and oven<BR>To: "<A=20
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Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 4:32 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Looking at the rules as spelled out in the Word doc on =
the=20
site:</DIV>
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class=3Dyiv80101902s12>5.</DIV><SPAN=20
style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 18px; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-SIZE: =
18px"=20
class=3Dyiv80101902s4>If the hot water heater (15 lbs) or =
fuel tank=20
(40 lbs, @1/4 full) or oven (40 lbs excluding two burner =
stove top)=20
have been permanently moved, removed, or not obtained when =
the boat=20
was built, a weight equal to the item shall be affixed in =
its=20
intended location during all racing =
events.</SPAN></DIV></SPAN>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>A few important principles come out. </DIV>
<DIV>1. It does not allow that the stove can be removed, =
only the=20
oven. We can discuss how to handle a missing stove in =
another thread=20
if necessary. </DIV>
<DIV>2. The oven is assumed to be replaceable with 40 lbs of =
weight. </DIV>
<DIV>3. Substituted weight must be affixed in the intended=20
location. </DIV>
<DIV>4. Anyone want to pull out their fuel tank?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>#3 means that hot water heater substitute weight for =
example,=20
cannot be consolidated to the bilge, but must be in the =
lazarette on=20
the shelf where the heater would have been. With regards to =
the oven=20
I suspect it is generally agreed that the weight can be =
placed in=20
the space below the stove not necessarily bolted to the =
bottom of=20
the stove. However it should be noted that safety, not only =
the=20
letter of the rules suggest (require?) that the weights be =
affixed=20
so that in the event of a knock down that they do not become =
life=20
threatening projectiles. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>We need to be mindful that the one design rules are =
designed to=20
ensure that an owner who cruises the boat can remain =
competitive=20
with another boat which is used exclusively for racing. It =
is not=20
designed to be a strategy for removing a bunch of =
distributed weight=20
and consolidating it centerline below the =
waterline. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thoughts?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Art Kelley</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Oct 27, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Neal Melanson <<A=20
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ymailto=3D"mailto:neal.melanson@gmail.com"><A=20
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t;=20
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>...lets all check the Class rules before we start on =
any=20
weight saving programs. I started a fire storm years =
ago=20
over PBO Backstays and Carbon Fibre Rudders.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv80101902gmail_quote> </DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv80101902gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 =
at 7:12 AM,=20
Rod Stright <SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A=20
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'; COLOR: #002060; =
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Anyone=20
interested in purchasing an Origo stove and oven for the =
Frers=20
33, like new condition seldom used. Intend to =
replace with=20
an Origo two burner stove, would consider a=20
trade.</SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv80101902MsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'; COLOR: #002060; =
FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'; COLOR: #002060; =
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Rod</SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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