<=3D /TABLE>

Ed,

First your going to need really, really= g=3D ood hose. I recommend Trident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from De= =3D fender Marine. It's not cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)&= =3D nbsp;smell from this hose. I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, n= =3D o problems. Next you're going to want a thick walled rigid plastic ta= =3D nk. You buy a flexible tank and it will stink and you will = =3D be sorry. Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once. You bu= =3D y that and you're boat will eventually be filled with waste water. No= =3D thing but acid is more corrosive than human waste. It will eat right = =3D through SS but has no affect on plastic. I located my tank forward on= =3D =A0the port side. Everything from the head is pumped directly into th= e =3D tank. From the tank there is a Y valve which allows a pump out or ove= =3D rboard discharge if you're offshore.

My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 = ga=3D llons but it was the biggest tank that would fit up front.

I think the hose wound up costin= g =3D me somewhere near $350. But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 i= =3D nches from that stuff and don't smell anything bad I know it was one o= =3D f the better boat investments.

Good luck.
Frank Albert 41621=

--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thom= ps=3D on <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:

Fro= m: W=3D illiam Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers= =3D -list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <fre= rs-l=3D ist@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM

Ed,

Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for= =3D =A0tanks, and really good odor control info.

Bill Thompson

d'Ad lib

Montreal

William Thompson

Sent from my iPad

On = 2012=3D -04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:

Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers = 36=3D , any good feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
Tom

Fr= om:<=3D /SPAN> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15= =3D =A0PM
To: frers= -list@=3D lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replac= =3D ing water tank and sanitation hose

1) = I am looking to replace the original bl= ad=3D der water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does an= =3D yone know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it= =3D =A0as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80= =3D93 30 g=3D allons.

2) = I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process o= f trying=3D =A0to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the= p=3D otential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does= =3D =A0anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE= 2=3D80=3D =3D99ve seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem ever= yt=3D hing is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.

From wha= t I =3D have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5 to 6 feet. = =3D I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and inhibited g= =3D etting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the hoses which I= =3D =A0could readily get to.

Removing= the=3D =A0remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was placed just= a=3D bove the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the hose attached = =3D to it.

My goal = is t=3D o try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odor.

Any sugg= esti=3D ons would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Ed Putna= m

---1654260983-887932635-1333584471=3D:33125-- --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: FRANCIS ALBERT Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio= n hose To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com --652505220-46642948-1333584595=3D:82242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=3DC2=3DA0 Just kidding.=3DC2=3DA0 I'= ll take =3D some shots tomorrow and post them.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20 =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 Frank --- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson wrote: From: Neal Melanson Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio= =3D n hose To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 6:09 PM Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?=3DC2=3DA= 0 Mu=3D ch appreciated. =3DC2=3DA0 Neal On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote= =3D : Ed, =3DC2=3DA0 First your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Tr= iden=3D t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not = chea=3D p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC= 2=3DA0 I=3D 've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're = goin=3D g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible t= ank =3D and=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someon= e suggested =3D a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will ev= entu=3D ally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosi= ve t=3D han human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect o= n pl=3D astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Ever= ything f=3D rom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank ther= e is=3D =A0a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're offsh= or=3D e. =3DC2=3DA0 My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank = =3D that would fit up front. =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.=3DC2= =3DA0 But =3D when I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that stuff and don'= t sm=3D ell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0inv= estments=3D . =3DC2=3DA0 Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20 Frank Albert 41621 --- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson wrote: From: William Thompson Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio= =3D n hose To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM Ed, Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta= =3D nks, and really good odor control info. Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0 d'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0 Montreal William Thompson=3D20 Sent from my iPad On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" wr= =3D ote: Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g= =3D ood feedback would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Tom =3DC2=3DA0 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= =3D rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho= =3D se =3DC2=3DA0=3D20 1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replac= e the original bladd=3D er water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any= =3D one know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it = =3D as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93= 30 ga=3D llons. =3DC2=3DA0 2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also= in the process of trying =3D to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po= =3D tential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does = =3D anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80= =3D99ve=3D =A0seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everythin= g =3D is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=3D20 =3DC2=3DA0=3D20 >From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5= =3D =A0to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning a= nd=3D =A0inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the= h=3D oses which I could readily get to.=3D20 Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p= =3D laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the ho= =3D se attached to it.=3D20 =3DC2=3DA0=3D20 My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo= =3D r.=3D20 =3DC2=3DA0=3D20 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=3D20 =3DC2=3DA0=3D20 Thanks=3D20 Ed Putnam=3D20 =3DC2=3DA0 --=3D20 Neal Melanson 89 Central St. Rowley Ma. 01969 =3DC2=3DA0 978 948 7189 --652505220-46642948-1333584595=3D:82242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dutf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.= &n=3D bsp; Just kidding. I'll take some shots tomorrow and post them. = =3D =A0

Frank

--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson <neal.melanson= =3D @gmail.com> wrote:

From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com&g= =3D t;
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and san= =3D itation hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Wednesday, April = =3D 4, 2012, 6:09 PM

Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?&nbs= =3D p; Much appreciated.

Neal

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRA= NC=3D IS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrot= e:=3D

Ed,

First your going to need really, really good hose. I recommend T= =3D rident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine. It's not= =3D =A0cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE) smell from this hose.&= nb=3D sp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems. Next you're= =3D =A0going to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank. You buy a flexibl= e =3D tank and it will stink and you will be sorry. Someone sugge= =3D sted a stainless steel tank once. You buy that and you're boat will e= =3D ventually be filled with waste water. Nothing but acid is more corros= =3D ive than human waste. It will eat right through SS but has no affect = =3D on plastic. I located my tank forward on the port side. Everyth= =3D ing from the head is pumped directly into the tank. From the tank the= =3D re is a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're of= =3D fshore.

My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest = =3D tank that would fit up front.

I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350. = =3D =A0But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 inches from that stuff and d= on=3D 't smell anything bad I know it was one of the better boat invest= =3D ments.

Good luck.
Frank Albert 41621

--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@vid= eotr=3D on.ca> wrote:

From: William Thompson <foredeck@videot= ron.=3D ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replaci= =3D ng water tank and sanitation hose
To: "frers-list@l= ists=3D .frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com= &g=3D t;
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM

Ed,

Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan = =3D site for tanks, and really good odor control info.

Bill Thompson

d'Ad lib

Montreal

William Thompson=3D20
Sent from my iPad

On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:

Having simila= r =3D problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any good feedback wo= =3D uld be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Tom

=

From: frers-l= ist-=3D admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-= list=3D -admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
Sent:= =3D =A0Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers= -l=3D ist]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose

=3D20

1) = I am looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a = =3D rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a good sou= =3D rce for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it as far aft and low as = =3D possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 gallons.

2) = I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying to fix/improve t= he hol=3D ding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the potential for future odo= =3D r problems. The current set up is not original. Does anyone have the origin= =3D al layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve seen the se= t up o=3D n Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything is forward, not ex= =3D actly where I want the weight.=3D20
=3D20
From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose = =3D to exceed 5 to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not func= =3D tioning and inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and re= =3D moved the hoses which I could readily get to.=3D20
Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the= =3D =A0tank was placed just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to = re=3D move the hose attached to it.
=3D20
My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above= =3D =A0all no odor.=3D20
=3D20
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=3D20
=3D20
Thanks=3D20
Ed Putnam=3D20

--

Neal Melanson

89 Central St.

Rowley Ma. 01969

978 948 7189

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Ed, I have heard about those tanks,seen = them in pictures, not seen them in reality.

i don't think at 5 gals you will get more than one day aout of the tan= k before it needs top be emptied.Heartbeat has a 15 gal tank that gets us a= bout 3 days when cruising before needing to be emptied. i will try to get y= ou a manufacturer and model number.

--- On Thu, 4/5/12, edputnam@= comcast.net <edputnam@comcast.net> wrote:

From: edputnam@comcast.net <edputnam@comcast.n= et>
Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #541 - 2 msgsTo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 11:17 = AM

Thanks for the info Frank. I Have a few of questions;

Did you place the tank all the way forward?

Did you use a rectangluar tank or something more form fitting?

About how far forward of the seacock is the aft end of the tank?

In speaking with Barry Carrol he suggested looking into using the Rari= tan Compact II head (no longer in production, they do have a new alter= native) with the accompaning Compact Holding Tank (this has a capacit= y of about 5 Gallons) or the Raske product which is a harder to get (cost i= s arround $700 for head & tank set up).  These tanks wrap aro= und the base of the head and have built in Y valves for straight discharge,= to the tank or pump out. Barry said they used them very effect= ively in Farr 40's and Frers 41's.

Has anyone had any experience with these compact holding tank setups o= n a Frers 33? My thinking is these head and tank arrangements will el= iminate a lot of hose and therefore potential odor.

Thanks

Ed

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Message: 1
Date: W= ed, 4 Apr 2012 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@pr= odigy.net>
Subject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water t= ank and sanitation hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Reply-To: fr= ers-list@lists.frers33.com

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Tom,
=3DC2=3DA0
It's been too long.=3DC2= =3DA0 I can't remember and in fact don't even remember =3D
where I bough= t it.
=3DC2=3DA0
I do recall it as a thick walled holding tank.=3DC2= =3DA0 There are water tanks,=3D
they're thin walled and holding ta= nks which have the thicker walls.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D
The thicker walls preven= t odors from permeating.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0
Frank

--- On Wed, 4/4/1= 2, Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:

From:= Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com>
Subject: RE: [frers-li= st]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D
n hose
To: f= rers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gec= as.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:15 PM

Many thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan tank?
=3DC2=3DA0
= =3DC2=3DA0
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-a= dmin@lists.fre=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf Of FRANCIS ALBERT
Sent: Wednesd= ay, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: = Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D
n = hose
=3DC2=3DA0

Ed,

=3DC2=3DA0

Firs= t your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Triden= =3D
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not chea=3D
p at $7.99 a f= oot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're= goin=3D
g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy = a flexible tank =3D
and=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be = sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someone suggested =3D
a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2= =3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will eventu=3D
ally be filled with wa= ste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosive t=3D
han human w= aste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect on pl=3D
= astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Ever= ything f=3D
rom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 Fro= m the tank there is=3D
a Y valve which allows a pump out or overbo= ard discharge if you're offshor=3D
e.

=3DC2=3DA0

My tank i= s smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =3D
th= at would fit up front.

=3DC2=3DA0

=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose w= ound up costing me somewhere near $350.=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D
when I sleep i= n the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that stuff and don't sm=3D
ell= anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0invest= ments=3D
.

=3DC2=3DA0

Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Frank A= lbert 41621

--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@vi= deotron.ca> wrote:

From: William Thompson <foredeck@videot= ron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank= and sanitatio=3D
n hose
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers= -list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM
=

Ed,

=3DC2=3DA0

Been poking into some of the same = issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=3D
nks, and really good odor c= ontrol info.

=3DC2=3DA0

Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0

d'Ad l= ib=3DC2=3DA0

Montreal

William Thompson=3D20

Sent from my iPad

On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 = PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=3D
ote:

Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers = 36, any g=3D
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanksTom
=3DC2=3DA0

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [ma= ilto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
S= ent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
= Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho= =3D
se
=3DC2=3DA0

1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3D= A0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=3D
er water tank= , with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=3D
one kn= ow of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =3Das far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D9= 3 30 ga=3D
llons.
=3DC2=3DA0
2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA= 0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying =3D
to fix/i= mprove the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D
t= ential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does = =3D
anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I= =3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D
seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and cl= ean. Only problem everything =3D
is forward, not exactly where I want th= e weight.
=3DC2=3DA0
From what I have read the air vent from the tank= is not suppose to exceed 5=3D
to 6 feet. I have removed the macer= ator pump as it was not functioning and=3D
inhibited getting to th= e shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the h=3D
oses which I coul= d readily get to.
Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real ch= ore as the tank was p=3D
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremel= y difficult to remove the ho=3D
se attached to it.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0
My goal is to try to minimize the total amount o= f hose and above all no odo=3D
r.
=3DC2=3DA0
Any suggestions would= be greatly appreciated.
=3DC2=3DA0
Thanks
Ed Putnam
=3DC2=3DA0=
=3DC2=3DA0
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mber where I bought it.</DIV>
<DIV> </= DIV>
<DIV>I do <SPAN>recall</SPAN> it as a thick wa= lled holding tank.  Ther=3D
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cker walls.  The th= icker walls prevent odors from permeating.  </=3D
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<DIV> </DIV= >
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, &l= t;SPAN>Bruton</SPAN>, Tom (GECAS) <=3D
I><Tom.Brut= on@gecas.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Bruton, Tom (GECAS) &= ;lt;Tom.Bruton@gecas.co=3D
m><BR>Subject: RE: [frers-list]s= uggestions for replacing water tank and =3D
sanitation hose<BR>To:= frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GE=3D
CAS)" &am= p;lt;Tom.Bruton@gecas.com><BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, = 5:15 =3D
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COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"&g= t;Many thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan =3D
tank?</SPAN></DI= V>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT= -FAMILY: 'sans-serif';=3D
COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">&= ;nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
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COLOR: #1f497d= ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3D= 3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans= -seri=3D
f'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN st= yle=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-seri=3D
f'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> frers-list-= admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list=3D
-admin@lists.frers33.com] <B>On Behalf Of &= lt;/B>FRANCIS ALBERT<BR><B>Sent:</B=3D
> Wednesday,= April 04, 2012 4:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.=3D
com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [frers-list]sugge= stions for replacing water tank=3D
and sanitation hose</SPAN>= ;</DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </D= IV>
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<DIV>
<P cl= ass=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Ed,</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>= ;
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></D= IV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>First yo= ur going to need really, really g=3D
ood hose.  I recommend Trident Premium Sanitation = Hose (Black) from De=3D
fender Marine.  It's not cheap at $7.99= a foot but there is no (NONE)&=3D
nbsp;smell from this hose.&nb= sp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, n=3D
o problems.  = Next you're going to want a thick walled rigid plastic ta=3D
nk.&nbs= p; You buy a flexible tank and it will stink and you will= =3D
be sorry.  Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once.&= amp;nbsp; You bu=3D
y that and you're boat will eventually be filled wit= h waste water.  No=3D
thing but acid is more corrosive than hum= an waste.  It will eat right =3D
through SS but has no affect o= n plastic.  I located my tank forward on=3D
the port side= .  Everything from the head is pumped directly into the =3D
tan= k.  From the tank there is a Y valve which allows a pump out or ov= e=3D
rboard discharge if you're offshore.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
&l= t;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV><= BR><DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>My tank is smal= lish may be 20 maybe 15 ga=3D
llons but it was the biggest tank that wou= ld fit up front.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3D= yiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>=
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>  I think the hose w= ound up costing =3D
me somewhere near $350.  But when I sleep i= n the V-birth just 3 i=3D
nches from that stuff and don't smell= anything bad I know it was one o=3D
f the better boat&nbsp= ;investments.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv= 1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Good luck.  <BR>F= rank Albert 41621</=3D
DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv= 1763742104MsoNormal><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thomp= s=3D
on <I><<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/= mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedec=3D
k@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3= D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@v=3D
ideotron.ca">foredeck@video= tron.ca</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV></DIV>= ;
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solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING= -LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-RI=3D
GHT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.7= 5pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none;=3D
BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDIN= G-TOP: 0in">
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D3Dyiv17637= 42104MsoNormal><BR>From: W=3D
illiam Thompson <<A hre= f=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D
=3D3Dforedeck@vid= eotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:=3D
foredeck@videotron.ca">for= edeck@videotron.ca</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [frers=3D
-li= st]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To: "&= lt;A h=3D
ref=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrer= s-list@lists.frer=3D
s33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto= =3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.=3D
frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers= 33.com</A>" <<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc8=3D
11.mail.yahoo= .com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofol=3D
lo= w target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">fr= ers-l=3D
ist@lists.frers33.com</A>><BR>Date: Wednesda= y, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM</=3D
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<DIV id=3D3Dyiv17637421= 04>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNor= mal>Ed,</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
= <DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Been p<SPAN cla= ss=3D3Dyiv1763742104apple-st=3D
yle-span>oking into some of the same = issues. Check out the Raritan site for=3D
tanks, and really good o= dor control info.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
&l= t;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV><= BR><DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Bill Thompson&a= mp;nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv17637= 42104MsoNormal>d'Ad lib </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>=
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Montreal<BR><BR>W= illiam Thompson </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv176374210= 4MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<= DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>On 2012=3D
-04-04, at 12:= 09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.m=3Dail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow ta= rget=3D
=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>> wrote:<= /DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-B= OTTOM: 5pt">
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742= 104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D
= 11pt">Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers = 36=3D
, any good feedback would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN><= /DIV></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN = style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D
11pt">Many thanks</= SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal&= gt;<SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D
11pt">Tom</SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOT= E>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLO= R: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D
11pt"> </SPAN></DIV= ></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium= none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING=3D
-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: = 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1p=3D
t solid; BORDER-RIGHT= : medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonor= mal><B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:<=3D
/SP= AN></B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"ht= tp://us.mc811.mail.=3D
yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-admin@list= s.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollo=3D
w target=3D3D_blank>frers-list-admi= n@lists.frers33.com</A> <A href=3D3D"http://=3D
us.mc811.mail.y= ahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3D[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frer=3D
s33.co= m]" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:[mailto:frers-li=3D
st-admin@lists.frers33.com]">= ;[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]</A=3D
> <B>On B= ehalf Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, Marc= h 05, 2012 2:15=3D
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href= =3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D
=3D3Dfrers-list@li= sts.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank>frers-list@=3D
li= sts.frers33.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [frers-list]= suggestions for replac=3D
ing water tank and sanitation hose</SPAN>= ;</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv176= 3742104msonormal> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>= ;
<DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in= ; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" clas=3D
s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msolistparagraph><= SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">1)</SPAN><SP=3D
AN style=3D3D"= COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">      </=3D
SPA= N><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">I am looking to replace the origi= nal blad=3D
der water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboar= d side. Does an=3D
yone know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I= would like to have it=3D
as far aft and low as possible, with a c= apacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 g=3D
allons.</SPAN></DIV= ></DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in" class=3D3Dyiv1763= 742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D
=3D3D"COLOR: black"> &l= t;/SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt;= MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" clas=3D
s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msoli= stparagraph><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">2)</SPAN><SP= =3D
AN style=3D3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">  &= amp;nbsp;   </=3D
SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR= : black">I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying=3D
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set= up. Trying to eliminate the p=3D
otential for future odor problems. The= current set up is not original. Does=3D
anyone have the original = layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D
=3D99ve see= n the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everyt=3D
hi= ng is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.</SPAN></DIV>= ;
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: b= lack"> </SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1= 763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">From what I =3D<= BR>have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5 to 6 fee= t. =3D
I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and i= nhibited g=3D
etting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed = the hoses which I=3D
could readily get to.</SPAN></DIV>= ;
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">R= emoving the=3D
remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the= tank was placed just a=3D
bove the seacock, so it is extremely difficul= t to remove the hose attached =3D
to it. </SPAN></DIV>
&l= t;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"&g= t; </SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv17637421= 04msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">My goal is t=3D
o tr= y to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odor.</SPAN>&= lt;/D=3D
IV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN st= yle=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<= ;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">= ;Any suggesti=3D
ons would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV&= gt;
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyi= v1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Thanks</SPA= N=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><S= PAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Ed Putnam</S=3D
PAN></DIV><P style=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt" class=3D3Dyiv176= 3742104ms=3D
onormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> &= lt;/SPAN></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY><=3D
/TAB= LE>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D3D"FON= T-FAMILY: 'sans-serif';=3D
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN= ></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><= /td></=3D
tr></table>
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 = 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose
To= : frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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It ac= tually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=3DC2=3DA0 Just kidding.=3DC2=3DA0 I'll ta= ke =3D
some shots tomorrow and post them.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0
=3DC2=3DA0
Frank

--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanso= n <neal.melanson@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Neal Melanson <= ;neal.melanson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for re= placing water tank and sanitatio=3D
n hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers= 33.com
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 6:09 PM

Hi Frank, = can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?=3DC2=3DA0 Mu=3Dch appreciated.
=3DC2=3DA0
Neal

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:= 50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote=3D
:

Ed,<= BR>=3DC2=3DA0
First your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3D= A0 I recommend Triden=3D
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender= Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not chea=3D
p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (N= ONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D
've had it now on the= boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're goin=3D
g to want = a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible tank =3Dand=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someo= ne suggested =3D
a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and= you're boat will eventu=3D
ally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 N= othing but acid is more corrosive t=3D
han human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It wil= l eat right through SS but has no affect on pl=3D
astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I loc= ated my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Everything f=3D
rom the= head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank there is=3D
a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if= you're offshor=3D
e.
=3DC2=3DA0
My tank is smallish may be 20 may= be 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =3D
that would fit up front.=3DC2=3DA0
=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere n= ear $350.=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D
when I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 = inches from that stuff and don't sm=3D
ell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know = it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0investments=3D
.
=3DC2=3DA0Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Frank Albert 41621

--- On Wed, 4/4/12,= William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:

From: Wil= liam Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]sug= gestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D
n hose
To: "frers-= list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wedne= sday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM

Ed,

Been poking= into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=3D
nks, and really good odor control info.

<= BR>Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0
d'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0
Montreal

William= Thompson=3D20
Sent from my iPad

On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bru= ton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=3D
ote:

Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Fr= ers 36, any g=3D
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Many than= ks
Tom
=3DC2=3DA0

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com= [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam<= BR>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio= n ho=3D
se
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20

1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA= 0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=3D
er w= ater tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=3D<= BR>one know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =3D
as far aft and low as possible, with = a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 ga=3D
llons.
=3DC2=3DA0
= 2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also= in the process of trying =3D
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing s= et up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D
tential for future odor problems. T= he current set up is not original. Does =3D
anyone have the original lay= out of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D
seen = the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything =3Dis forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed= 5=3D
to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not f= unctioning and=3D
inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the = seacock, and removed the h=3D
oses which I could readily get to.=3D20Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=3D
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficul= t to remove the ho=3D
se attached to it.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
My g= oal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=3D<= BR>r.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciat= ed.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Thanks=3D20
Ed Putnam=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0<= BR>

--=3D20

N= eal Melanson
89 Central St.
Rowley Ma. 01969
=3DC2=3DA0
978 948= 7189

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top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;"><DIV&= gt;It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.&n=3D
bsp; Just kidding.&am= p;nbsp; I'll take some shots tomorrow and post them. =3D
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV&= gt;
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV&g= t;
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, Neal= Melanson <I><neal.melanson=3D
@gmail.com></I>= </B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER= -LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px= "><BR>From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com&g=3D=
t;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water ta= nk and san=3D
itation hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= BR>Date: Wednesday, April =3D
4, 2012, 6:09 PM<BR><BR><DIV id=3D3Dyiv1898688693>
<DIV>Hi Frank, can you shoot som= e pictures for us of that installation?&nbs=3D
p; Much appreciated.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV&g= t;Neal<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3D3Dyiv1898688693gm= ail_quote>On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANC=3D
IS ALBERT <SPAN= dir=3D3Dltr><<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/= =3D
compose?to=3D3Dfxalbert@prodigy.net" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_bl= ank ymailto=3D
=3D3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.ne= t</A>></SPAN> wrote:=3D
<BR>
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<DIV>Ed,</DIV>
<= DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>First your going to need really= , really good hose.  I recommend T=3D
rident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Mar= ine.  It's not=3D
cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (= NONE) smell from this hose.&nb=3D
sp; I've had it now on th= e boat for 5 years, no problems.  Next you're=3D
going to= want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.  You buy a flexible =3Dtank and it will stink and you will be sorry. = Someone sugge=3D
sted a stainless steel tank once.  You buy th= at and you're boat will e=3D
ventually be filled with waste water.&n= bsp; Nothing but acid is more corros=3D
ive than human waste.  = It will eat right through SS but has no affect =3D
on plastic. = I located my tank forward on the port side.  Everyth=3D
ing fr= om the head is pumped directly into the tank.  From the tank the= =3D
re is a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if yo= u're of=3D
fshore.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<D= IV>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest= =3D
tank that would fit up front.</DIV>
<DIV> &= lt;/DIV>
<DIV>  I think the hose wound up costing me s= omewhere near $350. =3D
But when I sleep in the V-birth j= ust 3 inches from that stuff and don=3D
't smell anything bad&a= mp;nbsp;I know it was one of the better boat invest=3D
ments.&l= t;/DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good luck.&am= p;nbsp; <BR>Frank Albert 41621</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--= - On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <I><<A href=3D3= D"http://u=3D
s.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotro= n.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollo=3D
w target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredec= k@videotron.ca">foredeck@videotr=3D
on.ca</A>></I>= </B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb= (16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><B= R>From: William Thompson <<A href=3D3D"http://us.m=3D
c811.= mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow t= =3D
arget=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">fored= eck@videotron.=3D
ca</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [<SPAN&g= t;frers</SPAN>-list]suggestions for replaci=3D
ng water tank and s= anitation hose<BR>To: "<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.y=3D
a= hoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow ta= rge=3D
t=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">= ;frers-list@lists=3D
.frers33.com</A>" <<A href=3D3D"htt= p://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?=3D
to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers= 33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D
=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lis= ts.frers33.com</A>&g=3D
t;<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, = 2012, 12:28 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV= >Ed,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Been= p<SPAN>oking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan =3D=
site for tanks, and really good odor control info.</SPAN></DIV= >
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bill Thompson&n= bsp;</DIV>
<DIV>d'Ad lib </DIV>
<DIV>= ;Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson=3D20
<DIV>Sent from = my iPad</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 2012-04-04, at 1= 2:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<A href=3D3D"h=3D
ttp://us.mc8= 11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=3D3Dn=3D
o= follow target=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<B= LOCKQUOTE type=3D3D"cite">
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>&= lt;SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Having simila= r =3D
problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any good fe= edback wo=3D
uld be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV></DI= V>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 1= 1pt">Many thanks</SP=3D
AN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV&= gt;<SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Tom</S= PAN></DIV=3D
></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><= ;SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </= SPAN></=3D
DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV><B>&l= t;SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN = style=3D3D"FONT=3D
-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail= .yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfre=3D
rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel= =3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank>frers-list-=3D
admin@lists.frers33.co= m</A> [mailto:<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.c=3D
om/m= c/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow targe= =3D
t=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"= >frers-list=3D
-admin@lists.frers33.com</A>] <B>On Behalf= Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B>=3D
Monda= y, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href=3D3D"h= ttp://us.mc811.ma=3D
il.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.fre= rs33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow t=3D
arget=3D3D_blank>frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A><BR&g= t;<B>Subject:</B> [frers-l=3D
ist]suggestions for replacing = water tank and sanitation hose</SPAN></DIV></=3D
DIV>&= lt;/DIV>
<DIV> =3D20
<DIV>
<DIV>
= <P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"= ><SPA=3D
N>1)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"&g= t;      </=3D
SPAN>&l= t;SPAN>I am looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a = =3D
rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a g= ood sou=3D
rce for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it as far a= ft and low as =3D
possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 = 30 gallons.</SPAN><SPAN></S=3D
PAN></DIV></DI= V>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in"><SPAN> </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
= <P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"= ><SPA=3D
N>2)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"&g= t;      </=3D
SPAN>&l= t;SPAN>I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying to fix/improve th= e hol=3D
ding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the potential fo= r future odo=3D
r problems. The current set up is not original. Does any= one have the origin=3D
al layout of the tank & plumbing for it? = I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve seen the set up o=3D
n Moose, custom tanks and clean.= Only problem everything is forward, not ex=3D
actly where I want the we= ight.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>=  </SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>From what I have rea= d the air vent from the tank is not suppose =3D
to exceed 5 to 6 feet. I= have removed the macerator pump as it was not func=3D
tioning and inhibited getting to the shut of= f valve for the seacock, and re=3D
moved the hoses which I could readily= get to.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN&= gt;Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the=3D
&= nbsp;tank was placed just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult t= o re=3D
move the hose attached to it. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN= >
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=3D20
<DIV>&= lt;SPAN>My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above= =3D
all no odor.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<= ;DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>= Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN=3D
>=3D20
<DIV&= gt;<SPAN> </SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>Thank= s</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>Ed P= utnam</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<P style=3D3D"LINE-H= EIGHT: 13pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt"><SPAN> </SPAN><= ;/DI=3D
V>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
&= lt;DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>= ;
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></= DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>= ;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></= TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>= <B=3D
R clear=3D3Dall><BR>-- <BR>
<DIV>Neal M= elanson</DIV>
<DIV>89 Central St.</DIV>
<DIV>= Rowley Ma. 01969</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>978 9= 48 7189</DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td><= /tr></table>
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--1038709272-1769264297-1333674561=:9898-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Apr 6 12:42:43 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 04:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Re: more info on holding tanks In-Reply-To: <674434404.1137757.1333639043750.JavaMail.root@sz0089a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <20120405001102.B96AE61B41@mailman.siteprotect.com> <674434404.1137757.1333639043750.JavaMail.root@sz0089a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1333712563.16186.YahooMailNeo@web130204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --1969410512-1192741438-1333712563=:16186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed,=0A=A0=0AWhen I was looking to buy a Frers four=A0years ago, I saw about= 1/2 dozen different boats from Maine down to Maryland.=A0 Two boats had ha= rd plastic tanks installed forward, under=A0the v-berth on the port side.= =A0 They were both custom fits.=A0 The largest tank was about 5 gallons and= had a shape that generally conformed to the hull of the boat, ie. it was n= ot a standard rectangular box.=A0 The installer of this rigid tank built a = lightweight platform to rest the tank on and tabbed the platform to the hul= l.=A0 The plastic tank was strapped and secured to the platform.=0A=A0=0AMy= boat has a bladder tank which I will change eventually.=A0 The previous ow= ner of my boat already installed the proper hoses, y-valves etc, so all I n= eed to do is a simple tank change.=A0 In my research I found a company in R= I that specializes in such things.=A0 Their info is below.=0A=A0=0AOcean Li= nk=0Ahttp://www.oceanlinkinc.com/=0A=A0=0AGood luck,=0AScott=0ARisoluto=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "edputnam@comcast.net" =0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =0ASent: Thursday, Apr= il 5, 2012 11:17 AM=0ASubject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #54= 1 - 2 msgs=0A=0A=0AThanks for the info Frank.=A0 I Have a=A0few of question= s;=0ADid you place the tank all the way forward? =0ADid you use a rectanglu= ar tank or something more form fitting? =0AAbout how far forward of the sea= cock is the aft end of the tank?=0A=A0=0AIn speaking with Barry Carrol he s= uggested looking into using the Raritan Compact II head=A0(no longer in pro= duction, they do have a new alternative)=A0 with the accompaning Compact Ho= lding Tank (this has a capacity of about 5 Gallons) or the Raske product wh= ich is a harder to get (cost is arround $700 for head & tank set up).=A0=A0= These tanks wrap around the base of the head and have built in Y valves for= straight discharge, to the tank or pump out.=A0 Barry said they=A0 used th= em very effectively in Farr 40's and Frers 41's.=A0 =0A=A0=0AHas anyone had= any experience with these compact holding tank setups on a Frers 33?=A0 My= thinking is these head and tank arrangements will eliminate a lot of hose = and therefore potential odor.=0A=A0=0AThanks=0AEd=0A=0A=0A_________________= _______________=0A=0AFrom: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com=0ATo: frers= -list@lists.frers33.com=0ASent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:11:02 PM=0ASubje= ct: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #541 - 2 msgs=0A=0ASend frers-list mailing lis= t submissions to=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= =0ATo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=0Aor, via = email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com=0A=0AYou can reach the person ma= naging the list at=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0frers-list-admin@lists.frers33= .com=0A=0AWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specif= ic=0Athan "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..."=0A=0A=0AToday's Topics:=0A= =0A=A0=A0 1. RE: suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose (= FRANCIS ALBERT)=0A=A0=A0 2. Re: suggestions for replacing water tank and sa= nitation hose (FRANCIS ALBERT)=0A=0A--__--__--=0A=0AMessage: 1=0ADate: Wed,= 4 Apr 2012 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT)=0AFrom: FRANCIS ALBERT =0ASubject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and san= itation hose=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0AReply-To: frers-list@list= s.frers33.com=0A=0A---1654260983-887932635-1333584471=3D:33125=0AContent-Ty= pe: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8=0AContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printab= le=0A=0ATom,=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AIt's been too long.=3DC2=3DA0 I can't remember = and in fact don't even remember =3D=0Awhere I bought it.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AI d= o recall it as a thick walled holding tank.=3DC2=3DA0 There are water tanks= ,=3D=0A=A0they're thin walled and holding tanks which have the thicker wall= s.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D=0AThe thicker walls prevent odors from permeating.=3DC2=3D= A0=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AFrank=0A=0A--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <= Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0AFrom: Bruton, Tom (GECAS) =0ASubject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank = and sanitatio=3D=0An hose=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ACc: "Bruton,= Tom (GECAS)" =0ADate: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:15= PM=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMany thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan tank?= =0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AFrom: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mail= to:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D=0Ars33.com] On Behalf Of FRANCIS ALBERT=0A= Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com= =0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanita= tio=3D=0An hose=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AEd,=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AFirs= t your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Triden= =3D=0At Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It'= s not chea=3D=0Ap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell fro= m this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D=0A've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no pr= oblems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're goin=3D=0Ag to want a thick walled rigid plas= tic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible tank =3D=0Aand=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0= will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someone suggested =3D=0Aa stain= less steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will eventu=3D= =0Aally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corr= osive t=3D=0Ahan human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but ha= s no affect on pl=3D=0Aastic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the po= rt side.=3DC2=3DA0 Everything f=3D=0Arom the head is pumped directly into t= he tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank there is=3D=0A=A0a Y valve which allows a = pump out or overboard discharge if you're offshor=3D=0Ae.=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0= =0A=0AMy tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest= tank =3D=0Athat would fit up front.=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0 I thin= k the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D=0Awhe= n I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that stuff and don't s= m=3D=0Aell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the better boat=3DC2= =3DA0investments=3D=0A.=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AGood luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0AFr= ank Albert 41621=0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson wrote:=0A=0A=0AFrom: William Thompson =0A= Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio= =3D=0An hose=0ATo: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =0ADate: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM=0A=0A=0A=0AEd,=0A=0A=3DC2= =3DA0=0A=0ABeen poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan = site for ta=3D=0Anks, and really good odor control info.=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A= =0ABill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0Ad'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AMontreal=0A=0AWilli= am Thompson=3D20=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0A=0AOn 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM,= "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" wr=3D=0Aote:=0A=0A=0A=0AHavin= g similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g=3D= =0Aood feedback would be greatly appreciated.=0AMany thanks=0ATom=0A=3DC2= =3DA0=0A=0A=0AFrom: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-a= dmin@lists.fre=3D=0Ars33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam=0ASent: Monday, March = 05, 2012 2:15 PM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASubject: [frers-list]= suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=3D=0Ase=0A=3DC2=3DA0= =0A=0A=0A1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking = to replace the original bladd=3D=0Aer water tank, with a rigid tank, moving= it to the starboard side. Does any=3D=0Aone know of a good source for a go= od fitting tank? I would like to have it =3D=0Aas far aft and low as possib= le, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 ga=3D=0Allons.=0A=3DC2= =3DA0=0A2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D= 99m also in the process of trying =3D=0Ato fix/improve the holding tank/plu= mbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D=0Atential for future odor probl= ems. The current set up is not original. Does =3D=0Aanyone have the origina= l layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D=0A=A0seen the= set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything =3D=0Ais = forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AFrom what I ha= ve read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=3D=0A=A0to 6 = feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and=3D=0A= =A0inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the= h=3D=0Aoses which I could readily get to.=0ARemoving the remaining hoses a= re going to be a real chore as the tank was p=3D=0Alaced just above the sea= cock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the ho=3D=0Ase attached to it.= =3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AMy goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose= and above all no odo=3D=0Ar.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AAny suggestions would be great= ly appreciated.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AThanks=0AEd Putnam=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0= =0A---1654260983-887932635-1333584471=3D:33125=0AContent-Type: text/html; c= harset=3Dutf-8=0AContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A=0A

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It's been too long. I can't remember and in fact don't even r= eme=3D=0Amber where I bought it.

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I do recall it as a thick walled holding tank. Ther=3D=0Ae are wa= ter tanks, they're thin walled and holding tanks which have the thi=3D=0Ack= er walls. The thicker walls prevent odors from permeating. =0A

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Frank

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Subject: RE: [frers-list]sugge= stions for replacing water tank and =3D=0Asanitation hose
To: frers-list= @lists.frers33.com
Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GE=3D=0ACAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.= com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:15 =3D=0APM

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Subj= ect: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank=3D=0A=A0and s= anitation hose

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First your going to need really, rea= lly g=3D=0Aood hose. I recommend Trident Premium Sanitation Hose (Bla= ck) from De=3D=0Afender Marine. It's not cheap at $7.99 a foot but th= ere is no (NONE)&=3D=0Anbsp;smell from this hose. I've had it now on = the boat for 5 years, n=3D=0Ao problems. Next you're going to want a = thick walled rigid plastic ta=3D=0Ank. You buy a flexible tank and&nb= sp;it will stink and you will =3D=0Abe sorry. Someone suggested = a stainless steel tank once. You bu=3D=0Ay that and you're boat will = eventually be filled with waste water. No=3D=0Athing but acid is more= corrosive than human waste. It will eat right =3D=0Athrough SS but h= as no affect on plastic. I located my tank forward on=3D=0A=A0the por= t side. Everything from the head is pumped directly into the =3D=0Ata= nk. From the tank there is a Y valve which allows a pump out or ove= =3D=0Arboard discharge if you're offshore.
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My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 ga=3D=0Allons but = it was the biggest tank that would fit up front.
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I think the hose wound up costing =3D=0Ame som= ewhere near $350. But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 i=3D=0A= nches from that stuff and don't smell anything bad I know it was one o= =3D=0Af the better boat investments.
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Subject: Re: [frers=3D=0A-l= ist]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15=3D=0A=A0= PM
To: frers-list@=3D=0Alists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]sugg= estions for replac=3D=0Aing water tank and sanitation hose
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1)      I am looking to replace the original blad=3D=0Ader water tank, wit= h a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does an=3D=0Ayone know of = a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it=3D=0A=A0as f= ar aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 = g=3D=0Aallons.
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2)      I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying=3D=0A=A0to fix/impro= ve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the p=3D=0Aotentia= l for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does=3D=0A= =A0anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE= 2=3D80=3D=0A=3D99ve seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only = problem everyt=3D=0Ahing is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=0A
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From what I =3D=0Ahave read the air vent from the= tank is not suppose to exceed 5 to 6 feet. =3D=0AI have removed the macera= tor pump as it was not functioning and inhibited g=3D=0Aetting to the shut = off valve for the seacock, and removed the hoses which I=3D=0A=A0could read= ily get to.=0A
Removing the=3D=0A=A0remaining hoses are going to be a = real chore as the tank was placed just a=3D=0Above the seacock, so it is ex= tremely difficult to remove the hose attached =3D=0Ato it. =0A=
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=0A---1654260983-887932635-1333584471=3D:33125--=0A=0A--= __--__--=0A=0AMessage: 2=0ADate: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT)=0AFro= m: FRANCIS ALBERT =0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]suggest= ions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose=0ATo: frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com=0AReply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A=0A--652505220-4664294= 8-1333584595=3D:82242=0AContent-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8=0AContent= -Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A=0AIt actually looks a lot like Cern= obyl.=3DC2=3DA0 Just kidding.=3DC2=3DA0 I'll take =3D=0Asome shots tomorrow= and post them.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AFra= nk=0A=0A--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson wrote:= =0A=0A=0AFrom: Neal Melanson =0ASubject: Re: [frer= s-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D=0An hose=0ATo:= frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ADate: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 6:09 PM=0A= =0A=0A=0AHi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?= =3DC2=3DA0 Mu=3D=0Ach appreciated.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0ANeal=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Apr = 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote=3D=0A:=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AEd,=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AFirst your going to need really, reall= y good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Triden=3D=0At Premium Sanitation Hose (B= lack) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not chea=3D=0Ap at $7.99 a foot = but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D=0A've = had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're goin= =3D=0Ag to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flex= ible tank =3D=0Aand=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.= =3DC2=3DA0 Someone suggested =3D=0Aa stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 Y= ou buy that and you're boat will eventu=3D=0Aally be filled with waste wate= r.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosive t=3D=0Ahan human waste.=3DC= 2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect on pl=3D=0Aastic.=3DC= 2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Everything f= =3D=0Arom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tan= k there is=3D=0A=A0a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge= if you're offshor=3D=0Ae.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AMy tank is smallish may be 20 may= be 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =3D=0Athat would fit up front.=0A= =3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near= $350.=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D=0Awhen I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inch= es from that stuff and don't sm=3D=0Aell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it wa= s one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0investments=3D=0A.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AGood lu= ck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0AFrank Albert 41621=0A=0A--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Th= ompson wrote:=0A=0A=0AFrom: William Thompson =0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing wate= r tank and sanitatio=3D=0An hose=0ATo: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =0ADate: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0AEd,=0A=0A=0ABeen poking into some of the same issues. Check out th= e Raritan site for ta=3D=0Anks, and really good odor control info.=0A=0A=0A= Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0=0Ad'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0=0AMontreal=0A=0AWilliam Thomps= on=3D20=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0AOn 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (= GECAS)" wr=3D=0Aote:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHaving simi= lar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g=3D=0Aood f= eedback would be greatly appreciated.=0AMany thanks=0ATom=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A= =0A=0AFrom: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lis= ts.fre=3D=0Ars33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2012= 2:15 PM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASubject: [frers-list]suggesti= ons for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=3D=0Ase=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0A= =0A=0A1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to = replace the original bladd=3D=0Aer water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it= to the starboard side. Does any=3D=0Aone know of a good source for a good = fitting tank? I would like to have it =3D=0Aas far aft and low as possible,= with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 ga=3D=0Allons.=0A=3DC2=3DA0= =0A2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m a= lso in the process of trying =3D=0Ato fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing= set up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D=0Atential for future odor problems. = The current set up is not original. Does =3D=0Aanyone have the original lay= out of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D=0A=A0seen the set = up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything =3D=0Ais forwa= rd, not exactly where I want the weight.=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0AFrom what= I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=3D=0A=A0= to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and= =3D=0A=A0inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and remov= ed the h=3D=0Aoses which I could readily get to.=3D20=0ARemoving the remain= ing hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=3D=0Alaced just ab= ove the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the ho=3D=0Ase atta= ched to it.=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0AMy goal is to try to minimize the tota= l amount of hose and above all no odo=3D=0Ar.=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0AAny = suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0AThanks= =3D20=0AEd Putnam=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A--=3D20=0A=0ANeal Melanson=0A89 Central St.=0ARowley Ma. 01969=0A=3DC= 2=3DA0=0A978 948 7189=0A=0A--652505220-46642948-1333584595=3D:82242=0AConte= nt-Type: text/html; charset=3Dutf-8=0AContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-pri= ntable=0A=0A= =0A=0A
It actually = looks a lot like Cernobyl.&n=3D=0Absp; Just kidding. I'll take some s= hots tomorrow and post them. =3D=0A=A0
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Frank

--- On Wed, 4/4/1= 2, Neal Melanson <neal.melanson=3D=0A@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: Neal Melanson <neal.me= lanson@gmail.com&g=3D=0At;
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for repl= acing water tank and san=3D=0Aitation hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.= com
Date: Wednesday, April =3D=0A4, 2012, 6:09 PM

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Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that = installation?&nbs=3D=0Ap; Much appreciated.
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=0ANeal

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On Wed, Apr = 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANC=3D=0AIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote:=3D=0A
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Ed,
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=0A
First your going to nee= d really, really good hose. I recommend T=3D=0Arident Premium Sanitat= ion Hose (Black) from Defender Marine. It's not=3D=0A=A0cheap at $7.9= 9 a foot but there is no (NONE) smell from this hose.&nb=3D=0Asp; I've= had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems. Next you're=3D=0A= =A0going to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank. You buy a flexibl= e =3D=0Atank and it will stink and you will be sorry. Someo= ne sugge=3D=0Asted a stainless steel tank once. You buy that and you'= re boat will e=3D=0Aventually be filled with waste water. Nothing but= acid is more corros=3D=0Aive than human waste. It will eat right thr= ough SS but has no affect =3D=0Aon plastic. I located my tank forward= on the port side. Everyth=3D=0Aing from the head is pumped directly = into the tank. From the tank the=3D=0Are is a Y valve which allows a = pump out or overboard discharge if you're of=3D=0Afshore.
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&nbs= p;
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My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was t= he biggest =3D=0Atank that would fit up front.
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=0A=
I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350. = =3D=0A=A0But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 inches from that stuff= and don=3D=0A't smell anything bad I know it was one of the better bo= at invest=3D=0Aments.
=0A

=0A
Good luck. = ;
Frank Albert 41621
=0A

--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Th= ompson <foredeck@videotr=3D=0Aon.ca><= /I> wrote:
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From: William = Thompson <foredeck@videotron.=3D=0Aca>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replaci=3D=0Ang wat= er tank and sanitation hose
To: "frers-list@lists=3D=0A.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com&g=3D=0At;
Date: Wednesday, Apr= il 4, 2012, 12:28 PM

=0A
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Ed,
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=0A
Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the R= aritan =3D=0Asite for tanks, and really good odor control info.=0A

=0A
Bill Thompson
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d'Ad lib <= /DIV>=0A
Montreal

William Thompson=3D20=0A
Sent from my iPad=
=0A

On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" &= lt;Tom.Bruton@gecas= .com> wrote:

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Having similar =3D=0Aproblems with the bladder holding tank on my = Frers 36, any good feedback wo=3D=0Auld be greatly appreciated.
=0A
Man= y thanks
=0A
Tom
=0A

=0A
=0A
=0A
From: frers-list-=3D=0Aadmin@lists.frers33= .com [mailto:frers-l= ist=3D=0A-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
= Sent:=3D=0A=A0Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers3= 3.com
Subject: [frers-l=3D=0Aist]suggestions for replacing wa= ter tank and sanitation hose
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1)      I am looking to replace = the original bladder water tank, with a =3D=0Arigid tank, moving it to the = starboard side. Does anyone know of a good sou=3D=0Arce for a good fitting = tank? I would like to have it as far aft and low as =3D=0Apossible, with a = capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 gallons.<= /DIV>
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2)  &nb= sp;   I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of= trying to fix/improve the hol=3D=0Ading tank/plumbing set up. Trying to el= iminate the potential for future odo=3D=0Ar problems. The current set up is= not original. Does anyone have the origin=3D=0Aal layout of the tank &= plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve seen the set up o=3D=0An Moose, custom= tanks and clean. Only problem everything is forward, not ex=3D=0Aactly whe= re I want the weight.=3D20=0A
= =3D20=0A
From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not = suppose =3D=0Ato exceed 5 to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as i= t was not func=3D=0Ationing and inhibited getting to the shut off valve for= the seacock, and re=3D=0Amoved the hoses which I could readily get to.=3D20=0A
Removing the remaining hoses are going t= o be a real chore as the=3D=0A=A0tank was placed just above the seacock, so= it is extremely difficult to re=3D=0Amove the hose attached to it. = =0A
=3D20=0A
My goal is to tr= y to minimize the total amount of hose and above=3D=0A=A0all no odor.=3D20=0A
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Any sugges= tions would be greatly appreciated.=3D20=0A
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Ed,

When I was looking t= o buy a Frers four years ago, I saw about 1/2 dozen different boats fr= om Maine down to Maryland. Two boats had hard plastic tanks installed= forward, under the v-berth on the port side. They were both cus= tom fits. The largest tank was about 5 gallons and had a shape that g= enerally conformed to the hull of the boat, ie. it was not a standard recta= ngular box. The installer of this rigid tank built a lightweight plat= form to rest the tank on and tabbed the platform to the hull. The pla= stic tank was strapped and secured to the platform.

My boat has a bladde= r tank which I will change eventually. The previous owner of my boat = already installed the proper hoses, y-valves etc, so all I need to do is a = simple tank change. In my research I found a company in RI that speci= alizes in such things. Their info is below.

Ocean Link

http://www.oceanlinkinc.com/=

Good luck,

Scott

Risoluto

From:= "edputnam@comcast.net" <edputnam@comcast.net>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sent: Thursday, April 5, = 2012 11:17 AM
Subject: [= frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #541 - 2 msgs

Thanks for the info Frank. I Have a few of questions;

Did you place the tank all the way forward?

Did you use a rectangluar tank or something more form fitting?

About how far forward of the seacock is the aft end of the tank?

In speaking with Barry Carrol he suggested looking into using the Rari= tan Compact II head (no longer in production, they do have a new alter= native) with the accompaning Compact Holding Tank (this has a capacit= y of about 5 Gallons) or the Raske product which is a harder to get (cost i= s arround $700 for head & tank set up). These tanks wrap aro= und the base of the head and have built in Y valves for straight discharge,= to the tank or pump out. Barry said they used them very effect= ively in Farr 40's and Frers 41's.

Has anyone had any experience with these compact holding tank setups o= n a Frers 33? My thinking is these head and tank arrangements will el= iminate a lot of hose and therefore potential odor.

Thanks

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Date: W= ed, 4 Apr 2012 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@pr= odigy.net>
Subject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water t= ank and sanitation hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Reply-To: fr= ers-list@lists.frers33.com

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Tom,
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It's been too long.=3DC2= =3DA0 I can't remember and in fact don't even remember =3D
where I bough= t it.
=3DC2=3DA0
I do recall it as a thick walled holding tank.=3DC2= =3DA0 There are water tanks,=3D
they're thin walled and holding ta= nks which have the thicker walls.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D
The thicker walls preven= t odors from permeating.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0
Frank

--- On Wed, 4/4/1= 2, Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:

From:= Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com>
Subject: RE: [frers-li= st]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D
n hose
To: f= rers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gec= as.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:15 PM

Many thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan tank?
=3DC2=3DA0
= =3DC2=3DA0
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-a= dmin@lists.fre=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf Of FRANCIS ALBERT
Sent: Wednesd= ay, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: = Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D
n = hose
=3DC2=3DA0

Ed,

=3DC2=3DA0

Firs= t your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Triden= =3D
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not chea=3D
p at $7.99 a f= oot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're= goin=3D
g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy = a flexible tank =3D
and=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be = sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someone suggested =3D
a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2= =3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will eventu=3D
ally be filled with wa= ste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosive t=3D
han human w= aste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect on pl=3D
= astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Ever= ything f=3D
rom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 Fro= m the tank there is=3D
a Y valve which allows a pump out or overbo= ard discharge if you're offshor=3D
e.

=3DC2=3DA0

My tank i= s smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =3D
th= at would fit up front.

=3DC2=3DA0

=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose w= ound up costing me somewhere near $350.=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D
when I sleep i= n the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that stuff and don't sm=3D
ell= anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0invest= ments=3D
.

=3DC2=3DA0

Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Frank A= lbert 41621

--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@vi= deotron.ca> wrote:

From: William Thompson <foredeck@videot= ron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank= and sanitatio=3D
n hose
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers= -list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM
=

Ed,

=3DC2=3DA0

Been poking into some of the same = issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=3D
nks, and really good odor c= ontrol info.

=3DC2=3DA0

Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0

d'Ad l= ib=3DC2=3DA0

Montreal

William Thompson=3D20

Sent from my iPad

On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 = PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=3D
ote:

Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers = 36, any g=3D
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanksTom
=3DC2=3DA0

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [ma= ilto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
S= ent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
= Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho= =3D
se
=3DC2=3DA0

1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3D= A0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=3D
er water tank= , with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=3D
one kn= ow of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =3Das far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D9= 3 30 ga=3D
llons.
=3DC2=3DA0
2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA= 0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying =3D
to fix/i= mprove the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D
t= ential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does = =3D
anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I= =3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D
seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and cl= ean. Only problem everything =3D
is forward, not exactly where I want th= e weight.
=3DC2=3DA0
From what I have read the air vent from the tank= is not suppose to exceed 5=3D
to 6 feet. I have removed the macer= ator pump as it was not functioning and=3D
inhibited getting to th= e shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the h=3D
oses which I coul= d readily get to.
Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real ch= ore as the tank was p=3D
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremel= y difficult to remove the ho=3D
se attached to it.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0
My goal is to try to minimize the total amount o= f hose and above all no odo=3D
r.
=3DC2=3DA0
Any suggestions would= be greatly appreciated.
=3DC2=3DA0
Thanks
Ed Putnam
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cker walls.  The th= icker walls prevent odors from permeating.  </=3D
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<DIV> </DIV= >
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, &l= t;SPAN>Bruton</SPAN>, Tom (GECAS) <=3D
I><Tom.Brut= on@gecas.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Bruton, Tom (GECAS) &= ;lt;Tom.Bruton@gecas.co=3D
m><BR>Subject: RE: [frers-list]s= uggestions for replacing water tank and =3D
sanitation hose<BR>To:= frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GE=3D
CAS)" &am= p;lt;Tom.Bruton@gecas.com><BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, = 5:15 =3D
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COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"&g= t;Many thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan =3D
tank?</SPAN></DI= V>
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COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">&= ;nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
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COLOR: #1f497d= ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3D= 3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans= -seri=3D
f'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN st= yle=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-seri=3D
f'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> frers-list-= admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list=3D
-admin@lists.frers33.com] <B>On Behalf Of &= lt;/B>FRANCIS ALBERT<BR><B>Sent:</B=3D
> Wednesday,= April 04, 2012 4:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.=3D
com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [frers-list]sugge= stions for replacing water tank=3D
and sanitation hose</SPAN>= ;</DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </D= IV>
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<DIV>
<P cl= ass=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Ed,</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>= ;
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></D= IV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>First yo= ur going to need really, really g=3D
ood hose.  I recommend Trident Premium Sanitation = Hose (Black) from De=3D
fender Marine.  It's not cheap at $7.99= a foot but there is no (NONE)&=3D
nbsp;smell from this hose.&nb= sp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, n=3D
o problems.  = Next you're going to want a thick walled rigid plastic ta=3D
nk.&nbs= p; You buy a flexible tank and it will stink and you will= =3D
be sorry.  Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once.&= amp;nbsp; You bu=3D
y that and you're boat will eventually be filled wit= h waste water.  No=3D
thing but acid is more corrosive than hum= an waste.  It will eat right =3D
through SS but has no affect o= n plastic.  I located my tank forward on=3D
the port side= .  Everything from the head is pumped directly into the =3D
tan= k.  From the tank there is a Y valve which allows a pump out or ov= e=3D
rboard discharge if you're offshore.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
&l= t;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV><= BR><DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>My tank is smal= lish may be 20 maybe 15 ga=3D
llons but it was the biggest tank that wou= ld fit up front.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3D= yiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>=
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>  I think the hose w= ound up costing =3D
me somewhere near $350.  But when I sleep i= n the V-birth just 3 i=3D
nches from that stuff and don't smell= anything bad I know it was one o=3D
f the better boat&nbsp= ;investments.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv= 1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Good luck.  <BR>F= rank Albert 41621</=3D
DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv= 1763742104MsoNormal><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thomp= s=3D
on <I><<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/= mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedec=3D
k@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3= D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@v=3D
ideotron.ca">foredeck@video= tron.ca</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV></DIV>= ;
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GHT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.7= 5pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none;=3D
BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDIN= G-TOP: 0in">
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D3Dyiv17637= 42104MsoNormal><BR>From: W=3D
illiam Thompson <<A hre= f=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D
=3D3Dforedeck@vid= eotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:=3D
foredeck@videotron.ca">for= edeck@videotron.ca</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [frers=3D
-li= st]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To: "&= lt;A h=3D
ref=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrer= s-list@lists.frer=3D
s33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto= =3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.=3D
frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers= 33.com</A>" <<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc8=3D
11.mail.yahoo= .com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofol=3D
lo= w target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">fr= ers-l=3D
ist@lists.frers33.com</A>><BR>Date: Wednesda= y, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM</=3D
DIV>
<DIV id=3D3Dyiv17637421= 04>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNor= mal>Ed,</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
= <DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Been p<SPAN cla= ss=3D3Dyiv1763742104apple-st=3D
yle-span>oking into some of the same = issues. Check out the Raritan site for=3D
tanks, and really good o= dor control info.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
&l= t;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV><= BR><DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Bill Thompson&a= mp;nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv17637= 42104MsoNormal>d'Ad lib </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>=
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Montreal<BR><BR>W= illiam Thompson </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv176374210= 4MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<= DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>On 2012=3D
-04-04, at 12:= 09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.m=3Dail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow ta= rget=3D
=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>> wrote:<= /DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-B= OTTOM: 5pt">
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742= 104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D
= 11pt">Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers = 36=3D
, any good feedback would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN><= /DIV></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN = style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D
11pt">Many thanks</= SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal&= gt;<SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D
11pt">Tom</SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOT= E>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLO= R: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D
11pt"> </SPAN></DIV= ></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium= none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING=3D
-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: = 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1p=3D
t solid; BORDER-RIGHT= : medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonor= mal><B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:<=3D
/SP= AN></B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"ht= tp://us.mc811.mail.=3D
yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-admin@list= s.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollo=3D
w target=3D3D_blank>frers-list-admi= n@lists.frers33.com</A> <A href=3D3D"http://=3D
us.mc811.mail.y= ahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3D[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frer=3D
s33.co= m]" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:[mailto:frers-li=3D
st-admin@lists.frers33.com]">= ;[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]</A=3D
> <B>On B= ehalf Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, Marc= h 05, 2012 2:15=3D
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href= =3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D
=3D3Dfrers-list@li= sts.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank>frers-list@=3D
li= sts.frers33.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [frers-list]= suggestions for replac=3D
ing water tank and sanitation hose</SPAN>= ;</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv176= 3742104msonormal> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>= ;
<DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in= ; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" clas=3D
s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msolistparagraph><= SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">1)</SPAN><SP=3D
AN style=3D3D"= COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">      </=3D
SPA= N><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">I am looking to replace the origi= nal blad=3D
der water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboar= d side. Does an=3D
yone know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I= would like to have it=3D
as far aft and low as possible, with a c= apacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 g=3D
allons.</SPAN></DIV= ></DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in" class=3D3Dyiv1763= 742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D
=3D3D"COLOR: black"> &l= t;/SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt;= MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" clas=3D
s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msoli= stparagraph><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">2)</SPAN><SP= =3D
AN style=3D3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">  &= amp;nbsp;   </=3D
SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR= : black">I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying=3D
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set= up. Trying to eliminate the p=3D
otential for future odor problems. The= current set up is not original. Does=3D
anyone have the original = layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D
=3D99ve see= n the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everyt=3D
hi= ng is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.</SPAN></DIV>= ;
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: b= lack"> </SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1= 763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">From what I =3D<= BR>have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5 to 6 fee= t. =3D
I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and i= nhibited g=3D
etting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed = the hoses which I=3D
could readily get to.</SPAN></DIV>= ;
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">R= emoving the=3D
remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the= tank was placed just a=3D
bove the seacock, so it is extremely difficul= t to remove the hose attached =3D
to it. </SPAN></DIV>
&l= t;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"&g= t; </SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv17637421= 04msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">My goal is t=3D
o tr= y to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odor.</SPAN>&= lt;/D=3D
IV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN st= yle=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<= ;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">= ;Any suggesti=3D
ons would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV&= gt;
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyi= v1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Thanks</SPA= N=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><S= PAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Ed Putnam</S=3D
PAN></DIV><P style=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt" class=3D3Dyiv176= 3742104ms=3D
onormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> &= lt;/SPAN></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY><=3D
/TAB= LE>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D3D"FON= T-FAMILY: 'sans-serif';=3D
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN= ></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><= /td></=3D
tr></table>
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 = 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose
To= : frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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It ac= tually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=3DC2=3DA0 Just kidding.=3DC2=3DA0 I'll ta= ke =3D
some shots tomorrow and post them.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0
=3DC2=3DA0
Frank

--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanso= n <neal.melanson@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Neal Melanson <= ;neal.melanson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for re= placing water tank and sanitatio=3D
n hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers= 33.com
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 6:09 PM

Hi Frank, = can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?=3DC2=3DA0 Mu=3Dch appreciated.
=3DC2=3DA0
Neal

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:= 50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote=3D
:

Ed,<= BR>=3DC2=3DA0
First your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3D= A0 I recommend Triden=3D
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender= Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not chea=3D
p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (N= ONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D
've had it now on the= boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're goin=3D
g to want = a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible tank =3Dand=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someo= ne suggested =3D
a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and= you're boat will eventu=3D
ally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 N= othing but acid is more corrosive t=3D
han human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It wil= l eat right through SS but has no affect on pl=3D
astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I loc= ated my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Everything f=3D
rom the= head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank there is=3D
a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if= you're offshor=3D
e.
=3DC2=3DA0
My tank is smallish may be 20 may= be 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =3D
that would fit up front.=3DC2=3DA0
=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere n= ear $350.=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D
when I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 = inches from that stuff and don't sm=3D
ell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know = it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0investments=3D
.
=3DC2=3DA0Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Frank Albert 41621

--- On Wed, 4/4/12,= William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:

From: Wil= liam Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]sug= gestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D
n hose
To: "frers-= list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wedne= sday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM

Ed,

Been poking= into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=3D
nks, and really good odor control info.

<= BR>Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0
d'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0
Montreal

William= Thompson=3D20
Sent from my iPad

On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bru= ton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=3D
ote:

Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Fr= ers 36, any g=3D
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Many than= ks
Tom
=3DC2=3DA0

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com= [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam<= BR>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio= n ho=3D
se
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20

1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA= 0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=3D
er w= ater tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=3D<= BR>one know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =3D
as far aft and low as possible, with = a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 ga=3D
llons.
=3DC2=3DA0
= 2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also= in the process of trying =3D
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing s= et up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D
tential for future odor problems. T= he current set up is not original. Does =3D
anyone have the original lay= out of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D
seen = the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything =3Dis forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed= 5=3D
to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not f= unctioning and=3D
inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the = seacock, and removed the h=3D
oses which I could readily get to.=3D20Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=3D
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficul= t to remove the ho=3D
se attached to it.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
My g= oal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=3D<= BR>r.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciat= ed.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Thanks=3D20
Ed Putnam=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0<= BR>

--=3D20

N= eal Melanson
89 Central St.
Rowley Ma. 01969
=3DC2=3DA0
978 948= 7189

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<DIV> </DIV&= gt;
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV&g= t;
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, Neal= Melanson <I><neal.melanson=3D
@gmail.com></I>= </B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER= -LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px= "><BR>From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com&g=3D=
t;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water ta= nk and san=3D
itation hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= BR>Date: Wednesday, April =3D
4, 2012, 6:09 PM<BR><BR><DIV id=3D3Dyiv1898688693>
<DIV>Hi Frank, can you shoot som= e pictures for us of that installation?&nbs=3D
p; Much appreciated.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV&g= t;Neal<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3D3Dyiv1898688693gm= ail_quote>On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANC=3D
IS ALBERT <SPAN= dir=3D3Dltr><<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/= =3D
compose?to=3D3Dfxalbert@prodigy.net" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_bl= ank ymailto=3D
=3D3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.ne= t</A>></SPAN> wrote:=3D
<BR>
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<DIV>Ed,</DIV>
<= DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>First your going to need really= , really good hose.  I recommend T=3D
rident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Mar= ine.  It's not=3D
cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (= NONE) smell from this hose.&nb=3D
sp; I've had it now on th= e boat for 5 years, no problems.  Next you're=3D
going to= want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.  You buy a flexible =3Dtank and it will stink and you will be sorry. = Someone sugge=3D
sted a stainless steel tank once.  You buy th= at and you're boat will e=3D
ventually be filled with waste water.&n= bsp; Nothing but acid is more corros=3D
ive than human waste.  = It will eat right through SS but has no affect =3D
on plastic. = I located my tank forward on the port side.  Everyth=3D
ing fr= om the head is pumped directly into the tank.  From the tank the= =3D
re is a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if yo= u're of=3D
fshore.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<D= IV>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest= =3D
tank that would fit up front.</DIV>
<DIV> &= lt;/DIV>
<DIV>  I think the hose wound up costing me s= omewhere near $350. =3D
But when I sleep in the V-birth j= ust 3 inches from that stuff and don=3D
't smell anything bad&a= mp;nbsp;I know it was one of the better boat invest=3D
ments.&l= t;/DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good luck.&am= p;nbsp; <BR>Frank Albert 41621</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--= - On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <I><<A href=3D3= D"http://u=3D
s.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotro= n.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollo=3D
w target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredec= k@videotron.ca">foredeck@videotr=3D
on.ca</A>></I>= </B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb= (16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><B= R>From: William Thompson <<A href=3D3D"http://us.m=3D
c811.= mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow t= =3D
arget=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">fored= eck@videotron.=3D
ca</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [<SPAN&g= t;frers</SPAN>-list]suggestions for replaci=3D
ng water tank and s= anitation hose<BR>To: "<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.y=3D
a= hoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow ta= rge=3D
t=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">= ;frers-list@lists=3D
.frers33.com</A>" <<A href=3D3D"htt= p://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?=3D
to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers= 33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D
=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lis= ts.frers33.com</A>&g=3D
t;<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, = 2012, 12:28 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV= >Ed,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Been= p<SPAN>oking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan =3D=
site for tanks, and really good odor control info.</SPAN></DIV= >
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bill Thompson&n= bsp;</DIV>
<DIV>d'Ad lib </DIV>
<DIV>= ;Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson=3D20
<DIV>Sent from = my iPad</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 2012-04-04, at 1= 2:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<A href=3D3D"h=3D
ttp://us.mc8= 11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=3D3Dn=3D
o= follow target=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<B= LOCKQUOTE type=3D3D"cite">
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>&= lt;SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Having simila= r =3D
problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any good fe= edback wo=3D
uld be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV></DI= V>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 1= 1pt">Many thanks</SP=3D
AN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV&= gt;<SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Tom</S= PAN></DIV=3D
></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><= ;SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </= SPAN></=3D
DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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-BOTT= OM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: rgb(181,19=3D6,223) 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<DIV><B>&l= t;SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN = style=3D3D"FONT=3D
-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail= .yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfre=3D
rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel= =3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank>frers-list-=3D
admin@lists.frers33.co= m</A> [mailto:<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.c=3D
om/m= c/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow targe= =3D
t=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"= >frers-list=3D
-admin@lists.frers33.com</A>] <B>On Behalf= Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B>=3D
Monda= y, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href=3D3D"h= ttp://us.mc811.ma=3D
il.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.fre= rs33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow t=3D
arget=3D3D_blank>frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A><BR&g= t;<B>Subject:</B> [frers-l=3D
ist]suggestions for replacing = water tank and sanitation hose</SPAN></DIV></=3D
DIV>&= lt;/DIV>
<DIV> =3D20
<DIV>
<DIV>
= <P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"= ><SPA=3D
N>1)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"&g= t;      </=3D
SPAN>&l= t;SPAN>I am looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a = =3D
rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a g= ood sou=3D
rce for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it as far a= ft and low as =3D
possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 = 30 gallons.</SPAN><SPAN></S=3D
PAN></DIV></DI= V>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in"><SPAN> </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
= <P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"= ><SPA=3D
N>2)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"&g= t;      </=3D
SPAN>&l= t;SPAN>I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying to fix/improve th= e hol=3D
ding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the potential fo= r future odo=3D
r problems. The current set up is not original. Does any= one have the origin=3D
al layout of the tank & plumbing for it? = I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve seen the set up o=3D
n Moose, custom tanks and clean.= Only problem everything is forward, not ex=3D
actly where I want the we= ight.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>=  </SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>From what I have rea= d the air vent from the tank is not suppose =3D
to exceed 5 to 6 feet. I= have removed the macerator pump as it was not func=3D
tioning and inhibited getting to the shut of= f valve for the seacock, and re=3D
moved the hoses which I could readily= get to.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN&= gt;Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the=3D
&= nbsp;tank was placed just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult t= o re=3D
move the hose attached to it. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN= >
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=3D20
<DIV>&= lt;SPAN>My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above= =3D
all no odor.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<= ;DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>= Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN=3D
>=3D20
<DIV&= gt;<SPAN> </SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>Thank= s</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>Ed P= utnam</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<P style=3D3D"LINE-H= EIGHT: 13pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt"><SPAN> </SPAN><= ;/DI=3D
V>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
&= lt;DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>= ;
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></= DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>= ;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></= TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>= <B=3D
R clear=3D3Dall><BR>-- <BR>
<DIV>Neal M= elanson</DIV>
<DIV>89 Central St.</DIV>
<DIV>= Rowley Ma. 01969</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>978 9= 48 7189</DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td><= /tr></table>
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--1969410512-1192741438-1333712563=:16186-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Apr 6 14:41:41 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Richard Saunders) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 06:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Re: more info on holding tanks In-Reply-To: <1333712563.16186.YahooMailNeo@web130204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20120405001102.B96AE61B41@mailman.siteprotect.com> <674434404.1137757.1333639043750.JavaMail.root@sz0089a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1333712563.16186.YahooMailNeo@web130204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333719701.44234.YahooMailRC@web83809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> --1674233779-123026550-1333719701=:44234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out Of Reach has a 9 gallon Todd hard polyethylene tank mounted on a platfo= rm =0Atabbed to the hull and centerline bulkhead under the port v-berth.=A0= A Whale =0Adiverter valve (Y-valve except it's not a Y) allows for straigh= t overboard or to =0Athe tank.=A0 The tank can only be emptied through the = deck pumpout.=A0 =A0=0A=0AI am thinking of adding another Y-valve in the ta= nk output for overboard =0Aemptying of the tank, but it's getting to be mor= e of hassle then it's worth.=A0 =0AI've considered=A0using either=A0a manua= l Whale waste pump or a macerator pump but =0Aeach has it's=A0disadvantages= .=A0 The manual pump is=A0bulky=A0and the=A0only good place =0Ato mount it = is=A0aft of the tank which then blocks the access to the knotmeter =0Atrans= ducer below.=A0 The macerator pump has a 1" discharge, and to date I have n= ot =0Afound a tee reducer that is 1 1/2" x 1" x 1 1/2" to place in the exis= ting=A0hose =0Athat goes to the through-hull.=A0 Even choosing a mounting p= lace for the 2nd =0AY-valve is a challenge.=A0 In either solution operating= the pump and Y-valves =0Arequire access to the space under the v-berth (li= fting cushions and stuff).=A0 In =0Athe macerator pump setup I would place = the switch close by so I could watch the =0Atank being emptied to avoid run= ning the pump dry.=A0 =0A=0A=0AAnyhow, here's two good links about boat san= itation systems.=A0=A0Note the=A0emphasis =0Aon getting ]enough air to the = tank through the vent line.=0A=0Ahttp://www.marine-surveyor.com/newsletters= /9910.html=0A=0Ahttp://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/WestAdv= isorView?langId=3D-1&storeId=3D11151&catalogId=3D10001&page=3DHeads-Holding= -Tanks=A0=0A=0A=0ADick Saunders=0A________________________________=0A=0AFro= m: Scott Marino =0ATo: "frers-list@lists.frers33.co= m" =0ASent: Fri, April 6, 2012 7:42:43 AM=0AS= ubject: Re: [frers-list]Re: more info on holding tanks=0A=0AEd,=0A=A0=0AWhe= n I was looking to buy a Frers four=A0years ago, I saw about 1/2 dozen =0Ad= ifferent boats from Maine down to Maryland.=A0 Two boats had hard plastic t= anks =0Ainstalled forward, under=A0the v-berth on the port side.=A0 They we= re both custom =0Afits.=A0 The largest tank was about 5 gallons and had a s= hape that generally =0Aconformed to the hull of the boat, ie. it was not a = standard rectangular box.=A0 =0AThe installer of this rigid tank built a li= ghtweight platform to rest the tank =0Aon and tabbed the platform to the hu= ll.=A0 The plastic tank was strapped and =0Asecured to the platform.=0A=A0= =0AMy boat has a bladder tank which I will change eventually.=A0 The previo= us owner =0Aof my boat already installed the proper hoses, y-valves etc, so= all I need to do =0Ais a simple tank change.=A0 In my research I found a c= ompany in RI that =0Aspecializes in such things.=A0 Their info is below.=0A= =A0=0AOcean Link=0Ahttp://www.oceanlinkinc.com/=0A=A0=0AGood luck,=0AScott= =0ARisoluto=0A=0AFrom: "edputnam@comcast.net" =0ATo: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com =0ASent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 11:17 AM=0ASu= bject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #541 - 2 msgs=0A=0A=0AThank= s for the info Frank.=A0 I Have a=A0few of questions;=0ADid you place the t= ank all the way forward? =0ADid you use a rectangluar tank or something mor= e form fitting? =0AAbout how far forward of the seacock is the aft end of t= he tank?=0A=0AIn speaking with Barry Carrol he suggested looking into using= the Raritan =0ACompact II head=A0(no longer in production, they do have a = new alternative)=A0 with =0Athe accompaning Compact Holding Tank (this has = a capacity of about 5 Gallons) or =0Athe Raske product which is a harder to= get (cost is arround $700 for head & tank =0Aset up).=A0=A0These tanks wra= p around the base of the head and have built in Y =0Avalves for straight di= scharge, to the tank or pump out.=A0 Barry said they=A0 used =0Athem very e= ffectively in Farr 40's and Frers 41's.=A0 =0A=0A=0AHas anyone had any expe= rience with these compact holding tank setups on a Frers =0A33?=A0 My think= ing is these head and tank arrangements will eliminate a lot of =0Ahose and= therefore potential odor.=0A=0AThanks=0AEd=0A=0AFrom: frers-list-request@l= ists.frers33.com=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASent: Wednesday, Apri= l 4, 2012 8:11:02 PM=0ASubject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #541 - 2 msgs=0A= =0ASend frers-list mailing list submissions to=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0fr= ers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A=0ATo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World W= ide Web, visit=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/l= istinfo/frers-list=0Aor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'he= lp' to=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com=0A=0A= You can reach the person managing the list at=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0fre= rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=0A=0AWhen replying, please edit your Subjec= t line so it is more specific=0Athan "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..."= =0A=0A=0AToday's Topics:=0A=0A=A0=A0 1. RE: suggestions for replacing water= tank and sanitation hose (FRANCIS =0AALBERT)=0A=A0=A0 2. Re: suggestions f= or replacing water tank and sanitation hose (FRANCIS =0AALBERT)=0A=0A--__--= __--=0A=0AMessage: 1=0ADate: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT)=0AFrom: F= RANCIS ALBERT =0ASubject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions= for replacing water tank and sanitation =0Ahose=0ATo: frers-list@lists.fre= rs33.com=0AReply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A=0A---1654260983-887932= 635-1333584471=3D:33125=0AContent-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8=0AConte= nt-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A=0ATom,=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AIt's been t= oo long.=3DC2=3DA0 I can't remember and in fact don't even remember =3D=0Aw= here I bought it.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AI do recall it as a thick walled holding t= ank.=3DC2=3DA0 There are water tanks,=3D=0A=A0they're thin walled and holdi= ng tanks which have the thicker walls.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D=0AThe thicker walls pr= event odors from permeating.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AFrank=0A=0A--- O= n Wed, 4/4/12, Bruton, Tom (GECAS) wrote:=0A=0A=0AFr= om: Bruton, Tom (GECAS) =0ASubject: RE: [frers-list]s= uggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D=0An hose=0ATo: frers-l= ist@lists.frers33.com=0ACc: "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" =0A= Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:15 PM=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMany thanks = Frank, did you use a Raritan tank?=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AFrom: frers-= list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D=0Ars33.c= om] On Behalf Of FRANCIS ALBERT=0ASent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM= =0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions = for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D=0An hose=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AEd,=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AFirst your going to need really, really good= hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Triden=3D=0At Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) = from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not chea=3D=0Ap at $7.99 a foot but th= ere is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D=0A've had it= now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're goin=3D=0A= g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible t= ank =3D=0Aand=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2= =3DA0 Someone suggested =3D=0Aa stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You bu= y that and you're boat will eventu=3D=0Aally be filled with waste water.=3D= C2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosive t=3D=0Ahan human waste.=3DC2=3DA= 0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect on pl=3D=0Aastic.=3DC2=3DA= 0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Everything f=3D=0Ar= om the head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank there= is=3D=0A=A0a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you= 're offshor=3D=0Ae.=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AMy tank is smallish may be 20 mayb= e 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =3D=0Athat would fit up front.=0A= =0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewher= e near $350.=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D=0Awhen I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA0= 3 inches from that stuff and don't sm=3D=0Aell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know= it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0investments=3D=0A.=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0= =0A=0AGood luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0AFrank Albert 41621=0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 4/= 4/12, William Thompson wrote:=0A=0A=0AFrom: William= Thompson =0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions fo= r replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D=0An hose=0ATo: "frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com" =0ADate: Wednesday, April 4, 2012,= 12:28 PM=0A=0A=0A=0AEd,=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0ABeen poking into some of the = same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=3D=0Anks, and really good od= or control info.=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0ABill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0Ad'Ad lib= =3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AMontreal=0A=0AWilliam Thompson=3D20=0A=0ASent from my iPad= =0A=0A=0AOn 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" wr=3D=0Aote:=0A=0A=0A=0AHaving similar problems with the bladder hol= ding tank on my Frers 36, any g=3D=0Aood feedback would be greatly apprecia= ted.=0AMany thanks=0ATom=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=0AFrom: frers-list-admin@lists.= frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D=0Ars33.com] On Behalf Of = Ed Putnam=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.fre= rs33.com=0ASubject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sa= nitation ho=3D=0Ase=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=0A1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0= =3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=3D=0Aer wat= er tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=3D=0A= one know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it = =3D=0Aas far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D8= 0=3D93 30 ga=3D=0Allons.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3D= C2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying =3D=0Ato = fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D= =0Atential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Do= es =3D=0Aanyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I= =3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D=0A=A0seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean.= Only problem everything =3D=0Ais forward, not exactly where I want the wei= ght.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AFrom what I have read the air vent from the tank is not= suppose to exceed 5=3D=0A=A0to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump a= s it was not functioning and=3D=0A=A0inhibited getting to the shut off valv= e for the seacock, and removed the h=3D=0Aoses which I could readily get to= .=0ARemoving the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank w= as p=3D=0Alaced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to rem= ove the ho=3D=0Ase attached to it.=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AMy goal is to try to= minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=3D=0Ar.=0A=3DC2=3DA= 0=0AAny suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AThanks=0AE= d Putnam=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A---1654260983-887932635-1333584471=3D:= 33125=0AContent-Type: text/html; charset=3Dutf-8=0AContent-Transfer-Encodin= g: quoted-printable=0A=0A

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It's been too long. I can't re= member and in fact don't even reme=3D=0Amber where I bought it.

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I do recall it as a thick walled holding= tank. Ther=3D=0Ae are water tanks, they're thin walled and holding t= anks which have the thi=3D=0Acker walls. The thicker walls prevent od= ors from permeating. =0A

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Frank
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From: Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.co=3D=0Am>
S= ubject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and =3D=0Asani= tation hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GE=3D= =0ACAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:= 15 =3D=0APM

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frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list=3D=0A-admi= n@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of FRANCIS ALBERT
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers= 33.=3D=0Acom
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing w= ater tank=3D=0A=A0and sanitation hose

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First your go= ing to need really, really g=3D=0Aood hose. I recommend Trident Premi= um Sanitation Hose (Black) from De=3D=0Afender Marine. It's not cheap= at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)&=3D=0Anbsp;smell from this hose.&nb= sp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, n=3D=0Ao problems. Next = you're going to want a thick walled rigid plastic ta=3D=0Ank. You buy= a flexible tank and it will stink and you will =3D=0Abe sorry.&n= bsp; Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once. You bu=3D=0Ay tha= t and you're boat will eventually be filled with waste water. No=3D= =0Athing but acid is more corrosive than human waste. It will eat rig= ht =3D=0Athrough SS but has no affect on plastic. I located my tank f= orward on=3D=0A=A0the port side. Everything from the head is pumped d= irectly into the =3D=0Atank. From the tank there is a Y valve which a= llows a pump out or ove=3D=0Arboard discharge if you're offshore.
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My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe = 15 ga=3D=0Allons but it was the biggest tank that would fit up front.
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I think the hose wound up= costing =3D=0Ame somewhere near $350. But when I sleep in the V-birt= h just 3 i=3D=0Anches from that stuff and don't smell anything bad&nbs= p;I know it was one o=3D=0Af the better boat investments.= =0A
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From: W=3D=0Ailliam T= hompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Subje= ct: Re: [frers=3D=0A-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitati= on hose
To: "frers-list@lis= ts.frers33.com" <frers-l=3D= =0Aist@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 P= M=0A
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B= een poking into some of= the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for=3D=0A=A0tanks, and really = good odor control info.
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Bill Thompson
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On 2012=3D=0A-04= -04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:
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Having similar problems with the bladder holding = tank on my Frers 36=3D=0A, any good feedback would be greatly appreciated.<= /SPAN>
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From:<=3D=0A/SPAN> = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers= 33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
Sent: Monday, Mar= ch 05, 2012 2:15=3D=0A=A0PM
To: frers-list@=3D=0Alists.frers33.com
Subje= ct: [frers-list]suggestions for replac=3D=0Aing water tank and sanitati= on hose
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1)      I am looking to replace the original blad= =3D=0Ader water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. D= oes an=3D=0Ayone know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would lik= e to have it=3D=0A=A0as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of abo= ut 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 g=3D=0Aallons.
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2)      = I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of try= ing=3D=0A=A0to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to elim= inate the p=3D=0Aotential for future odor problems. The current set up is n= ot original. Does=3D=0A=A0anyone have the original layout of the tank &= plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D=0A=3D99ve seen the set up on Moose, custom= tanks and clean. Only problem everyt=3D=0Ahing is forward, not exactly whe= re I want the weight.=0A
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From what I =3D=0Ahave rea= d the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5 to 6 feet. =3D=0AI = have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and inhibited g= =3D=0Aetting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the hoses w= hich I=3D=0A=A0could readily get to.=0A
Removing the=3D=0A=A0remaining = hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was placed just a=3D=0Above = the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the hose attached =3D= =0Ato it. =0A
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=0A---1654260983-887932635-133= 3584471=3D:33125--=0A=0A--__--__--=0A=0AMessage: 2=0ADate: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 = 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT)=0AFrom: FRANCIS ALBERT =0ASubjec= t: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation =0Ah= ose=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0AReply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33= .com=0A=0A--652505220-46642948-1333584595=3D:82242=0AContent-Type: text/pla= in; charset=3Dutf-8=0AContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A=0AIt a= ctually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=3DC2=3DA0 Just kidding.=3DC2=3DA0 I'll t= ake =3D=0Asome shots tomorrow and post them.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A= =3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AFrank=0A=0A--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson wrote:=0A=0A=0AFrom: Neal Melanson =0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and= sanitatio=3D=0An hose=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ADate: Wednesday= , April 4, 2012, 6:09 PM=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Frank, can you shoot some pictures f= or us of that installation?=3DC2=3DA0 Mu=3D=0Ach appreciated.=0A=3DC2=3DA0= =0ANeal=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote=3D=0A:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AEd,=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AFirst your g= oing to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Triden=3D=0At = Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not ch= ea=3D=0Ap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this h= ose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D=0A've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.= =3DC2=3DA0 Next you're goin=3D=0Ag to want a thick walled rigid plastic tan= k.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible tank =3D=0Aand=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will st= ink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someone suggested =3D=0Aa stainless st= eel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will eventu=3D=0Aally= be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosive t= =3D=0Ahan human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but has no af= fect on pl=3D=0Aastic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the port side= .=3DC2=3DA0 Everything f=3D=0Arom the head is pumped directly into the tank= .=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank there is=3D=0A=A0a Y valve which allows a pump ou= t or overboard discharge if you're offshor=3D=0Ae.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AMy tank i= s smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =3D=0Atha= t would fit up front.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up c= osting me somewhere near $350.=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D=0Awhen I sleep in the V-bi= rth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that stuff and don't sm=3D=0Aell anything b= ad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0investments=3D=0A= .=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AGood luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0AFrank Albert 41621=0A=0A--- On= Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson wrote:=0A=0A=0AFrom:= William Thompson =0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]sugges= tions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D=0An hose=0ATo: "frers-list@= lists.frers33.com" =0ADate: Wednesday, April = 4, 2012, 12:28 PM=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AEd,=0A=0A=0ABeen poking into some of the sa= me issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=3D=0Anks, and really good odor= control info.=0A=0A=0ABill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0=0Ad'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0=0AMontr= eal=0A=0AWilliam Thompson=3D20=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0AOn 2012-04-04, at 1= 2:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" wr=3D=0Aote:=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0AHaving similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Fre= rs 36, any g=3D=0Aood feedback would be greatly appreciated.=0AMany thanks= =0ATom=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=0AFrom: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailt= o:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D=0Ars33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam=0ASent: = Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASubject= : [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=3D=0As= e=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0A=0A=0A1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2= =3DA0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=3D=0Aer water tank, with a= rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=3D=0Aone know of a g= ood source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =3D=0Aas far af= t and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 ga=3D= =0Allons.=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3D= A0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying =3D=0Ato fix/improve the= holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D=0Atential for = future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does =3D=0Aanyone= have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve= =3D=0A=A0seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem eve= rything =3D=0Ais forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=3D20=0A=3DC2= =3DA0=3D20=0AFrom what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppos= e to exceed 5=3D=0A=A0to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it wa= s not functioning and=3D=0A=A0inhibited getting to the shut off valve for t= he seacock, and removed the h=3D=0Aoses which I could readily get to.=3D20= =0ARemoving the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank wa= s p=3D=0Alaced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remo= ve the ho=3D=0Ase attached to it.=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0AMy goal is to tr= y to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=3D=0Ar.=3D20=0A= =3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0AAny suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=3D20=0A=3DC= 2=3DA0=3D20=0AThanks=3D20=0AEd Putnam=3D20=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--=3D20=0A=0ANeal Melanson=0A89 Central St.=0ARo= wley Ma. 01969=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A978 948 7189=0A=0A--652505220-46642948-133358= 4595=3D:82242=0AContent-Type: text/html; charset=3Dutf-8=0AContent-Transfer= -Encoding: quoted-printable=0A=0A
It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.&n=3D=0Absp; Just kidding.&n= bsp; I'll take some shots tomorrow and post them. =3D=0A=A0
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From: Neal= Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com&g=3D=0At;
Subject: Re: [frers-list= ]suggestions for replacing water tank and san=3D=0Aitation hose
To: frer= s-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Wednesday, April =3D=0A4, 2012, 6:09 PM
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Hi Frank, can you shoot some pic= tures for us of that installation?&nbs=3D=0Ap; Much appreciated.
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Ed,
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=0AFirst your going to need really, really good hose. I recommend T=3D= =0Arident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine. It's = not=3D=0A=A0cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE) smell from th= is hose.&nb=3D=0Asp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.&= nbsp; Next you're=3D=0A=A0going to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.&= nbsp; You buy a flexible =3D=0Atank and it will stink and you wil= l be sorry. Someone sugge=3D=0Asted a stainless steel tank once. = ; You buy that and you're boat will e=3D=0Aventually be filled with waste w= ater. Nothing but acid is more corros=3D=0Aive than human waste. = ; It will eat right through SS but has no affect =3D=0Aon plastic. I = located my tank forward on the port side. Everyth=3D=0Aing from the h= ead is pumped directly into the tank. From the tank the=3D=0Are is a = Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're of=3D=0Afs= hore.=0A

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My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe = 15 gallons but it was the biggest =3D=0Atank that would fit up front.
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I think the hose wound up costing me som= ewhere near $350. =3D=0A=A0But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3= inches from that stuff and don=3D=0A't smell anything bad I know it w= as one of the better boat invest=3D=0Aments.
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Good luck.
Frank Albert 41621
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--- On = Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@vide= otr=3D=0Aon.ca> wrote:
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From: William Thompson <foredeck@vid= eotron.=3D=0Aca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestion= s for replaci=3D=0Ang water tank and sanitation hose
To: "frers-list@lists=3D=0A.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com&g=3D=0At;=
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM

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=0AEd,
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Been poking into some of the same= issues. Check out the Raritan =3D=0Asite for tanks, and really good odor c= ontrol info.
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Bill Thompson =0A
d'Ad lib
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Montreal

William Thompson=3D20= =0A
Sent from my iPad
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On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM= , "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:

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Having similar =3D=0Aproblems with the bl= adder holding tank on my Frers 36, any good feedback wo=3D=0Auld be greatly= appreciated.
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Many thanks
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Tom
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From: = frers-list-= =3D=0Aadmin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list=3D=0A-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Beha= lf Of Ed Putnam
Sent:=3D=0A=A0Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<= BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-l=3D=0Aist]su= ggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose
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1)      = I am looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a =3D=0Arigid= tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a good sou=3D= =0Arce for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it as far aft and low = as =3D=0Apossible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 gallons.<= /SPAN>
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2)      I=3DE2=3D80=3D= 99m also in the process of trying to fix/improve the hol=3D=0Ading tank/plu= mbing set up. Trying to eliminate the potential for future odo=3D=0Ar probl= ems. The current set up is not original. Does anyone have the origin=3D=0Aa= l layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve seen the set= up o=3D=0An Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything is forw= ard, not ex=3D=0Aactly where I want the weight.=3D20=0A=
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From what I have read the air ve= nt from the tank is not suppose =3D=0Ato exceed 5 to 6 feet. I have removed= the macerator pump as it was not func=3D=0Ationing and inhibited getting t= o the shut off valve for the seacock, and re=3D=0Amoved the hoses which I c= ould readily get to.=3D20=0A
Removing the rem= aining hoses are going to be a real chore as the=3D=0A=A0tank was placed ju= st above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to re=3D=0Amove the hose= attached to it. =0A
=3D20=0AMy goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above=3D= =0A=A0all no odor.=3D20=0A
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Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=3D20=0A
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Thanks<= SPAN>=3D20=0A
Ed Putnam=3D20=0A
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Neal Melanson
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Rowley Ma. 01969
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978 948 7189

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Out Of Reach has a 9 gallon Todd hard polyethylene tank mounted= on a platform tabbed to the hull and centerline bulkhead under the port v-= berth. A Whale diverter valve (Y-valve except it's not a Y) allows fo= r straight overboard or to the tank. The tank can only be emptied thr= ough the deck pumpout.
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I am t= hinking of adding another Y-valve in the tank output for overboard emptying= of the tank, but it's getting to be more of hassle then it's worth. = I've considered using either a manual Whale waste pump or a macer= ator pump but each has it's disadvantages. The manual pump is&nb= sp;bulky and the only good place to mount it is aft of the t= ank which then blocks the access to the knotmeter transducer below. T= he macerator pump has a 1" discharge, and to date I have not found a tee re= ducer that is 1 1/2" x 1" x 1 1/2" to place in the existing hose that = goes to the through-hull. Even choosing a mounting place for the 2nd = Y-valve is a challenge. In either solution operating the pump and Y-v= alves require access to the space under the v-berth (lifting cushions and s= tuff). In the macerator pump setup I would place the switch close by = so I could watch the tank being emptied to avoid running the pump dry.
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Anyhow, here's two g= ood links about boat sanitation systems.  Note the emphasis = on getting ]enough air to the tank through the vent line.
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http://www.marine-surveyor.com/newsletters/9910.html
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http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/st= ores/servlet/WestAdvisorView?langId=3D-1&storeId=3D11151&catalogId= =3D10001&page=3DHeads-Holding-Tanks
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Dick Saunders
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From: Scott Marino <scottamarino@yahoo= .com>
To: "frers-list= @lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Fri, April 6, 2012 7:42:43 AM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: = more info on holding tanks

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Ed,
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When I was looking to buy a Frers = four years ago, I saw about 1/2 dozen different boats from Maine down = to Maryland. Two boats had hard plastic tanks installed forward, unde= r the v-berth on the port side. They were both custom fits. = ; The largest tank was about 5 gallons and had a shape that generally confo= rmed to the hull of the boat, ie. it was not a standard rectangular box.&nb= sp; The installer of this rigid tank built a lightweight platform to rest t= he tank on and tabbed the platform to the hull. The plastic tank was = strapped and secured to the platform.
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My boat has a bladder tank which I will change eventu= ally. The previous owner of my boat already installed the proper hose= s, y-valves etc, so all I need to do is a simple tank change. In my r= esearch I found a company in RI that specializes in such things. Thei= r info is below.
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Ocean Link
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http://www.oceanlinkinc.com/<= /DIV>=0A

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Scott
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Risoluto
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From: "edputnam@comcast.net" <edputnam@comcast.net>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012= 11:17 AM
Subject: [frer= s-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #541 - 2 msgs

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Sorry for the elate inf= ormation

My name is Bob Stephen = and I have a Frers 36 in Chicago

I did replace the water= bladder on both starboard and port settee.

These are stock tanks t= hat are made from a company in Milwaukee Wisconsin called Kracor. They have= a web site on all stock sizes they make. Specially they design may tanks for the marine industry. Thanks for water and waste

Maybe this is useful al= so for the Frers 33

Bob Stephen

Itchy Magoo

From: frers-= list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Neal Melanson
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:10 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sa= nitation hose

Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that= installation? Much appreciated.

Neal

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <<= a href=3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote:<= /p>

Ed,

First your going to need really, really good hose.&n= bsp; I recommend Trident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Mari= ne. It's not cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE) smell = from this hose. I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems. Next you're going to want a thick walled rigid= plastic tank. You buy a flexible tank and it will stink an= d you will be sorry. Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once.&n= bsp; You buy that and you're boat will eventually be filled with waste water. Nothing but acid is more corrosive than human waste.&nb= sp; It will eat right through SS but has no affect on plastic. I loca= ted my tank forward on the port side. Everything from the head is pum= ped directly into the tank. From the tank there is a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're offshor= e.

My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but i= t was the biggest tank that would fit up front.

I think the hose wound up costing me somewher= e near $350. But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 inches from = that stuff and don't smell anything bad I know it was one of the bette= r boat investments.

Good luck.
Frank Albert 41621

--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:=

From: William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio= n hose
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM

Ed,

Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out = the Raritan site for tanks, and really good odor control info.

Bill Thompson

d'Ad lib

Montreal

William Thompson

Sent from my iPad

On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:

Having similar problems = with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any good feedback would be gr= eatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Tom

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.= com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanita= tion hose

1) I a= m looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a rigid tank, mo= ving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a good source for a good= fitting tank? I would like to have it as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 – 30 gallons.

2) I&#= 8217;m also in the process of trying to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbi= ng set up. Trying to eliminate the potential for future odor problems. The = current set up is not original. Does anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I’ve seen the set up on Moose, cu= stom tanks and clean. Only problem everything is forward, not exactly where= I want the weight.

From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to excee= d 5 to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning = and inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed th= e hoses which I could readily get to.

Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank wa= s placed just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the= hose attached to it.

My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no = odor.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Ed Putnam

Neal Melanson

89 Central St.

Rowley Ma. 01969

978 948 7189

This email is intended solely for use by its addressee, and may contain con= fidential or legally privileged information. If you receive this message in= error, please immediately email a reply to advise the sender of the error = and delete this email and any attachments. Thank you. Weber-Stephen Products LLC

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Sorry this took so long, updated now

Art

----- Original Message -----

From: Comodore2@aol.com

To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: [frers-list]More Magic

Sorry, it took so long to get back to you. More Magic is being renamed SlingShot. The home port is the Milford Yacht Club. For the moment please leave the third picture on the webb page.

Thank you,

Jack Greifzu

In a message dated 3/11/2012 6:52:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, akelley@optonline.net writes:

Jack,

Welcome aboard!

I am catching up on class admin stuff right now. Have you renamed the boat yet? Feel free to forward me photos and any information and I will post it on your boat's page on our site.

Hope to see you this summer,

Art

"Brilliant"

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Comodore2@aol.com wrote:

Frers 33 Class,

I have acquired Hull# 11 (More Magic) . She will be sailed out of the Milford Yacht Club.

I am looking foreword to being an active member of the class.

Jack Greifzu

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