[frers-list]Fairing keel and rudder
Rod Stright
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Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:05:01 -0400
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Looks exactly like Equinox.
Rod
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of ozgur
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:26 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Fairing keel and rudder
couple of pictures of relentless, resending.
Oz.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Bill Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca
<mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca> > wrote:
Courtney,
I went through a lot of these issues when I shortenened my standard keel by
7" from the original 6'3" draft. If you had a wing keel, you would see the
the wing. You have a torpedo or bulb as it's called on yours.
Mars Keels, Burlington, ON made the two halves of the bulb we put on mine.
You can find details of my project on another thread on this site. They make
the keels for j-Boats, Beneteau, and others, and have been doing so for
decades. They have also done bulbs for hundreds of boats, and know what they
are doing.
They may be willing to make some calculations for you so you can assess
effect of the change to your keel on ballast. You need to send them pictures
with measurements:
-keel dimensions: length, width, depth and material (it's 4% lead/antimony
with a fibreglass cover).
- dimensions of the bulb, and what material it is made of
- a picture of a standard keel, and Art's measurements
Tell them you want to know how much weight was taken off when the draft was
reduced, how much they calculate should have been put on to compensate for
the weight, and reduction in draft, and how much your bulb weighs.
This will allow you to see your ballast ratio and assess your situation.
Good luck.
Bill
William Thompson
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Courtney Thomas
<courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net <mailto:courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net> >
wrote:
>
> Art,
>
> Thanks for the data.
>
> My understanding is that on the Frers33 a wing keel was an option whose
draft apparently was 4' 11". Is that from the keel root, waterline, or
what ?
>
> The keel depth on my boat, measured from the root front to the foot
bottom, ... is about 40".
>
> I don't know if a former owner modified said keel, or if I have a "wing",
though the foot shape is torpedo like and does not have a horizontal wing.
>
> More importantly, I'm concerned that someone, not a marine architect, has
sufficiently altered this keel so that it's ballast is insufficient, the
boat's handling is impaired if not dangerous, or that it's performance is
significantly reduced.
>
> Please bear in mind my intended use is coastal cruising, not racing.
>
> 1-What's your opinion on my boat's circumstance ?
>
> 2-If of serious consequence, what's your recommendation regarding proper
assessment and remedy ?
>
> Hopefully I'm unnecessarily concerned :-) but with a 50' mast and
sail capacity on such a small and light boat and it's intended 'below the
belt' ballast I'm concerned.
>
> Most appreciatively,
>
> Courtney
>
> PS - Anyone else that will weigh in is welcome, of course.
>
>
>
>
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frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br><b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [frers-list]Fairing =
keel and rudder<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
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class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>couple of pictures of relentless, =
resending.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Oz.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></=
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class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Bill =
Thompson <<a href=3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">foredeck@videotron.ca</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><blockquote =
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Courtney,<br><br>I went through a lot of =
these issues when I shortenened my standard keel by 7" from the =
original 6'3" draft. If you had a wing keel, you would see the the =
wing. You have a torpedo or bulb as it's called on yours.<br><br>Mars =
Keels, Burlington, ON made the two halves of the bulb we put on mine. =
You can find details of my project on another thread on this site. They =
make the keels for j-Boats, Beneteau, and others, and have been doing so =
for decades. They have also done bulbs for hundreds of boats, and know =
what they are doing.<br><br>They may be willing to make some =
calculations for you so you can assess effect of the change to your keel =
on ballast. You need to send them pictures with measurements:<br>-keel =
dimensions: length, width, depth and material (it's 4% lead/antimony =
with a fibreglass cover).<br>- dimensions of the bulb, and what material =
it is made of<br>- a picture of a standard keel, and Art's =
measurements<br><br>Tell them you want to know how much weight was taken =
off when the draft was reduced, how much they calculate should have been =
put on to compensate for the weight, and reduction in draft, and how =
much your bulb weighs.<br><br>This will allow you to see your ballast =
ratio and assess your situation.<br><br>Good =
luck.<br><br>Bill<br><br>William Thompson<br>Sent from my =
iPad<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:25 AM, =
Courtney Thomas <<a =
href=3D"mailto:courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net">courtneycthomas@bellsouth.n=
et</a>> wrote:<br>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>> Art,<br>><br>> Thanks for the =
data.<br>><br>> My understanding is that on the Frers33 a wing =
keel was an option whose draft apparently was 4' 11". =
Is that from the keel root, waterline, or what ?<br>><br>> =
The keel depth on my boat, measured from the root front to the foot =
bottom, ... is about 40".<br>><br>> I don't know if a former =
owner modified said keel, or if I have a "wing", though =
the foot shape is torpedo like and does not have a horizontal =
wing.<br>><br>> More importantly, I'm concerned that someone, not =
a marine architect, has sufficiently altered this keel so that it's =
ballast is insufficient, the boat's handling is impaired if not =
dangerous, or that it's performance is significantly =
reduced.<br>><br>> Please bear in mind my intended use is coastal =
cruising, not racing.<br>><br>> 1-What's your opinion on my boat's =
circumstance ?<br>><br>> 2-If of serious consequence, what's your =
recommendation regarding proper assessment and remedy ?<br>><br>> =
Hopefully I'm unnecessarily concerned :-) but =
with a 50' mast and sail capacity on such a small and light boat and =
it's intended 'below the belt' ballast I'm concerned.<br>><br>> =
Most appreciatively,<br>><br>> Courtney<br>><br>> PS - =
Anyone else that will weigh in is welcome, of =
course.<br>><br>><br>><br>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div=
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