In the tuning guide it says the forest= ay should be 46'1" (ish) from the "hounds" to the pin. = =A0Traditionally, the hounds refer to where the the uppers attach to the ma= st. =A0Is this supposed to be a pin to pin measurement? =A0Just curious as = I just bought mine last year and no matter what I did to tune the rig, I ha= d some pretty serious weather helm once the breeze got up above 12-15knts. = =A0The previous owner used spartite and had the rig in the center. =A0I pla= n on removing the spartite and placing the rig in the aft most position at = the step and 1" off the partner as I've read on the site. =A0

Any info on correcting weather helm, forestay measureme= nts, etc would be greatly appreciated.

Gracias.

--
Michael

--e89a8fb2007e87140704d3e1cf32-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Jan 22 15:10:46 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:10:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1358867446.14098.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --1944329922-994132190-1358867446=:14098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael, =A0 The former owner of my Frers also=A0used a=A0spartite plug for the mast.=A0= When I got the boat the mast wasn't in it and I put the mast in and the sp= artite=A0plug in with an aft rake.=A0 I didn't like the way the boat sailed= like that which was most (almost all) of the spartite in=A0front of the ma= st.=A0=A0Eventually I switched it around to almost all of the spartite in t= he rear of the mast with the mast nearly vertical.=A0 It remained that way = for all the time I owned the boat and we were very=A0fast. =A0 Cheers, Frank Albert =A0 --- On Tue, 1/22/13, Michael Argyelan wrote: From: Michael Argyelan Subject: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 9:58 AM Ladies and Gents,=20 In the tuning guide it says the forestay should be 46'1" (ish) from the "ho= unds" to the pin. =A0Traditionally, the hounds refer to where the the upper= s attach to the mast. =A0Is this supposed to be a pin to pin measurement? = =A0Just curious as I just bought mine last year and no matter what I did to= tune the rig, I had some pretty serious weather helm once the breeze got u= p above 12-15knts. =A0The previous owner used spartite and had the rig in t= he center. =A0I plan on removing the spartite and placing the rig in the af= t most position at the step and 1" off the partner as I've read on the site= . =A0 Any info on correcting weather helm, forestay measurements, etc would be gr= eatly appreciated. Gracias. --=20 Michael --1944329922-994132190-1358867446=:14098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --1944329922-994132190-1358867446=:14098-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Jan 22 22:24:43 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (David Nauber) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:24:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [frers-list]Two ideas to improve your 2013 racing results Message-ID: <1358893483.45739.YahooMailNeo@web120102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ---1658718958-33264365-1358893483=:45739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone,=0A=0AOne great thing about sailboat racing is that you can alw= ays learn and improve, so I wanted to write to tell you about=A0two of the = most effective and affordable tools that I can recommend from my experience= .=0A=0A=0AIn case you haven't seen the ads for these yet, North U offers on= e day seminars on Rules & Tactics. I have attended various North U seminars= in the past and can highly recommend them for racers at all levels. Plus, = the 2013 season is quickly approaching and there's a new rule book! For Con= necticut area sailors, Dave Perry is doing the seminar on Saturday, Feb 9th= at the North loft in Milford. Dave is one of the best guys to learn from s= o mark your calendar and sign up here:=0A=0Ahttp://www.northu.com/Seminars/= RulesTactics/tabid/1355/language/en-US/Default.aspx=0A=0A=0AAnd for those o= f you who don't already subscribe, David Dellenbaugh's Speed & Smarts newsl= etter is in my opinion, the single best source of racing know-how bar none.= Strategy, tactics, boatspeed, myth busting, brain teasers, you name it, th= e newsletters are chock full of the kind of racing knowledge that most of u= s could not accumulate in a lifetime. You can subscribe to a printed versio= n mailed to your home or read each issue online. Either way, I promise you,= it's worth every penny.=0A=0ASign up at: http://www.speedandsmarts.com/=0A= =0ASign up for both and I'll see you on the race course!=0A=0ARegards,=0A= =0ADave Nauber=0AWolverine=0AFrers 33 Class ---1658718958-33264365-1358893483=:45739 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Everyone,

One great thing about sailboat racing is that you can al= ways learn and improve, so=0A I wanted to write to tell you about two = of the most effective and affordable tools that I can recommend from my exp= erience.

In case you haven't seen the ads for these yet, North = U offers one day seminars on Rules & Tactics. I have attended various N= orth U seminars in the past and can highly recommend them for racers at all levels. Plus,=0A the 2013 season i= s quickly approaching and there's a new rule book! For Connecticut area sai= lors, Dave Perry is doing the seminar on Saturday, Feb 9th at the North lof= t in Milford. Dave is one of the best guys to learn from so mark your calen= dar and sign up=0A here:

http://www.northu.com/Seminars/RulesTactic= s/tabid/1355/language/en-US/Default.aspx

And for those of you who don't already subscribe,= David Dellenbaugh's Speed & Smarts newsletter is in my opinion, the si= ngle best source of racing know-how bar none. Strategy, tactics, boatspeed,= myth busting, brain teasers, you name it, the newsletters are chock full o= f the kind of racing knowledge that most of us could not accumulate in a li= fetime. You can subscribe to a printed version mailed to your home or read = each issue online. Either way, I promise you, it's worth every penny.

Regard= s,

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Wolverine

Frers 33 Class

---1658718958-33264365-1358893483=:45739-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Jan 26 21:01:34 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Robert Connell) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:01:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1359234094.15719.YahooMailClassic@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --1173436188-1496258224-1359234094=:15719 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, we have sailed Heartbeat and Black Hawk at 46' 1" in under 15 kts and= had good results, this is a pin to pin measurement, mast is 1" from the ba= ck of the partner and about 3/4" from furthist aft setting. Every boat has = it's slight differences. You need to find the right spot for your boat. --- On Tue, 1/22/13, Michael Argyelan wrote: From: Michael Argyelan Subject: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 9:58 AM Ladies and Gents, In the tuning guide it says the forestay should be 46'1" (ish) from the "ho= unds" to the pin. =A0Traditionally, the hounds refer to where the the upper= s attach to the mast. =A0Is this supposed to be a pin to pin measurement? = =A0Just curious as I just bought mine last year and no matter what I did to= tune the rig, I had some pretty serious weather helm once the breeze got u= p above 12-15knts. =A0The previous owner used spartite and had the rig in t= he center. =A0I plan on removing the spartite and placing the rig in the af= t most position at the step and 1" off the partner as I've read on the site= . =A0 Any info on correcting weather helm, forestay measurements, etc would be gr= eatly appreciated. Gracias. --=20 Michael --1173436188-1496258224-1359234094=:15719 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Michael,

The former owner of my Frers also used a spartite plug for t= he mast. When I got the boat the mast wasn't in it and I put the mast= in and the spartite plug in with an aft rake. I didn't like the= way the boat sailed like that which was most (almost all) of the spartite = in front of the mast. Eventually I switched it around to al= most all of the spartite in the rear of the mast with the mast nearly verti= cal. It remained that way for all the time I owned the boat and we we= re very fast.

Cheers,

Frank Albert

--- On Tue, 1/22/13, Michael Argyelan <michael@gosailingchicago.com> wrote:

From: Michael Argyelan <michael@gosailingchica= go.com>
Subject: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements
To: frers-list@= lists.frers33.com
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 9:58 AM

Ladies and Gents,=20

In the tuning guide it says the forestay should be 46'1" (ish) from th= e "hounds" to the pin. Traditionally, the hounds refer to where the t= he uppers attach to the mast. Is this supposed to be a pin to pin mea= surement? Just curious as I just bought mine last year and no matter = what I did to tune the rig, I had some pretty serious weather helm once the= breeze got up above 12-15knts. The previous owner used spartite and = had the rig in the center. I plan on removing the spartite and placin= g the rig in the aft most position at the step and 1" off the partner as I'= ve read on the site.

Any info on correcting weather helm, forestay measurements, etc would = be greatly appreciated.

Gracias.

--
Michael

--1173436188-1496258224-1359234094=:15719-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Jan 27 00:31:09 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:31:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements In-Reply-To: <1359234094.15719.YahooMailClassic@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1359246669.95934.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ---1396844141-75696201-1359246669=:95934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, =A0 I'm not sure I saw the part about a pretty serious weather helm in 12 to 15= knots. =A0 Obviously if you have the main sheeted in tight with the traveler up that's= going to create a great deal of weather helm in those conditions.=A0 I wou= ld usually go with my number 2, a 140% genoa, in 12 to 15 knots.=A0 With th= at sail, and the main sail traveler down some along with the main as flat a= s you can get it (cunningham on fairly tight, backstay at 3000 pounds and b= ottom of the sail as flat as possible), we can sail very fast and while not= being overpowered or having too much weather helm. --- On Sat, 1/26/13, Robert Connell wrote: From: Robert Connell Subject: Re: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Saturday, January 26, 2013, 4:01 PM Mike, we have sailed Heartbeat and Black Hawk at 46' 1" in under 15 kts and= had good results, this is a pin to pin measurement, mast is 1" from the ba= ck of the partner and about 3/4" from furthist aft setting. Every boat has = it's slight differences. You need to find the right spot for your boat. --- On Tue, 1/22/13, Michael Argyelan wrote: From: Michael Argyelan Subject: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 9:58 AM Ladies and Gents,=20 In the tuning guide it says the forestay should be 46'1" (ish) from the "ho= unds" to the pin. =A0Traditionally, the hounds refer to where the the upper= s attach to the mast. =A0Is this supposed to be a pin to pin measurement? = =A0Just curious as I just bought mine last year and no matter what I did to= tune the rig, I had some pretty serious weather helm once the breeze got u= p above 12-15knts. =A0The previous owner used spartite and had the rig in t= he center. =A0I plan on removing the spartite and placing the rig in the af= t most position at the step and 1" off the partner as I've read on the site= . =A0 Any info on correcting weather helm, forestay measurements, etc would be gr= eatly appreciated. Gracias. --=20 Michael ---1396844141-75696201-1359246669=:95934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mike, we have sailed Heartbeat and Black Hawk= at 46' 1" in under 15 kts and had good results, this is a pin to pin measu= rement, mast is 1" from the back of the partner and about 3/4" from furthis= t aft setting. Every boat has it's slight differences. You need to find the= right spot for your boat.

--- On Tue, 1/22/13, Michael Argyelan = <michael@gosailingchicago.com> wrote:

From: Michael Argyelan <michael@gosailingchica= go.com>
Subject: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements
To: frers-list@= lists.frers33.com
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 9:58 AM

Ladies and Gents,

In the tuning guide it says the forestay should be 46'1" (ish) from th= e "hounds" to the pin. Traditionally, the hounds refer to where the t= he uppers attach to the mast. Is this supposed to be a pin to pin mea= surement? Just curious as I just bought mine last year and no matter = what I did to tune the rig, I had some pretty serious weather helm once the= breeze got up above 12-15knts. The previous owner used spartite and = had the rig in the center. I plan on removing the spartite and placin= g the rig in the aft most position at the step and 1" off the partner as I'= ve read on the site.

Any info on correcting weather helm, forestay measurements, etc would = be greatly appreciated.

Gracias.

--
Michael

Mike,

I'm not sure I saw the part about a pretty serious weather helm in 12 = to 15 knots.

Obviously if you have the main sheeted in tight with the = traveler up that's going to create a great deal of weather helm in those co= nditions. I would usually go with my number 2, a 140% genoa, in 12 to= 15 knots. With that sail, and the main sail traveler down some along= with the main as flat as you can get it (cunningham on fairly tight, backs= tay at 3000 pounds and bottom of the sail as flat as possible), we can sail= very fast and while not being overpowered or having too much weather helm.=

--- On Sat, 1/26/13, Robert Connell <conn2523= @yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Robert Connell <conn2523@yahoo.com>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements
To: frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com
Date: Saturday, January 26, 2013, 4:01 PM

Mike, we have sailed Heartbeat and Black Hawk at 46' 1" in= under 15 kts and had good results, this is a pin to pin measurement, mast = is 1" from the back of the partner and about 3/4" from furthist aft setting= . Every boat has it's slight differences. You need to find the right spot f= or your boat.

--- On Tue, 1/22/13, Michael Argyelan <michae= l@gosailingchicago.com> wrote:

From: Michael Argyelan <michael@gosailingchica= go.com>
Subject: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements
To: frers-list@= lists.frers33.com
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 9:58 AM

Ladies and Gents,=20

In the tuning guide it says the forestay should be 46'1" (ish) from th= e "hounds" to the pin. Traditionally, the hounds refer to where the t= he uppers attach to the mast. Is this supposed to be a pin to pin mea= surement? Just curious as I just bought mine last year and no matter = what I did to tune the rig, I had some pretty serious weather helm once the= breeze got up above 12-15knts. The previous owner used spartite and = had the rig in the center. I plan on removing the spartite and placin= g the rig in the aft most position at the step and 1" off the partner as I'= ve read on the site.

Any info on correcting weather helm, forestay measurements, etc would = be greatly appreciated.

Gracias.

--
Michael

---1396844141-75696201-1359246669=:95934-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Jan 27 10:55:18 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 06:55:18 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Mast Rake Message-ID: <000701cdfc7c$cbbd2f90$63378eb0$@ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CDFC5B.44AB8F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Michael. I put the tuning guide together with input from several very experienced Frers 33 owners and information from other sources and in this case Hall Spars. Since, when I got Equinox I had to get a new headstay I also got the 46 foot measurement from Hall Spars. The Tuning Guide reads: "3. Rig Tuning a) Headstay Length Prior to stepping the Mast: This length is measured from the center of the pins at the hounds and the stem fitting and should equal 46' 00". Maximum headstay length needs to be reduced in heavier air as much as 1 - 2" by tightening the headstay thereby reducing rake and weather helm." This is the original measurement and naturally adjustments are made on an individual boat basis and the area and type of conditions you sail in. As the others have said the balance within the boat will also depend on a number of other factors including, mast step location, mainsail draught location, traveller adjustment (height), backstay tension, sail choice, mainsail condition and wind/weather conditions. Regards Rod Stright Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CDFC5B.44AB8F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Michael.

I put the tuning guide together with input from several very = experienced Frers 33 owners and information from other sources and in = this case Hall Spars. Since, when I got Equinox I had to get a new = headstay I also got the 46 foot measurement from Hall = Spars.

The Tuning Guide reads:

"3. Rig Tuning

a) Headstay Length

Prior to stepping the Mast: This length is measured from the center of = the pins at the hounds and the stem fitting and should equal 46’ = 00”. Maximum headstay length needs to be reduced in heavier air as = much as 1 – 2” by tightening the headstay thereby reducing = rake and weather helm."

This is the original measurement and naturally adjustments are made on = an individual boat basis and the area and type of conditions you sail = in. As the others have said the balance within the boat will also = depend on a number of other factors including, mast step location, = mainsail draught location, traveller adjustment (height), backstay = tension, sail choice, mainsail condition and wind/weather = conditions.

Regards

Rod Stright

Equinox

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CDFC5B.44AB8F90-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Jan 27 11:57:03 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:57:03 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Forestay Measurements Message-ID: <000c01cdfc85$6c115ea0$44341be0$@ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CDFC63.E4FFBEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Michael. I put the tuning guide together with input from several very experienced Frers 33 owners and information from other sources and in this case Hall Spars. Since, when I got Equinox I had to get a new headstay I also got the 46 foot measurement from Hall Spars. The Tuning Guide reads: "3. Rig Tuning a) Headstay Length Prior to stepping the Mast: This length is measured from the center of the pins at the hounds and the stem fitting and should equal 46' 00". Maximum headstay length needs to be reduced in heavier air as much as 1 - 2" by tightening the headstay thereby reducing rake and weather helm." This is the original measurement and naturally adjustments are made on an individual boat basis and the area and type of conditions you sail in. As the others have said the balance within the boat will also depend on a number of other factors including, mast step location, mainsail draught location, traveller adjustment (height), backstay tension, sail choice, mainsail condition and wind/weather conditions. Regards Rod Stright Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CDFC63.E4FFBEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Michael. =

I put the tuning = guide together with input from several very = experienced

Frers 33 owners and = information from other sources and in this case = Hall

Spars. Since, = when I got Equinox I had to get a new headstay I also got = the

46 foot measurement = from Hall Spars.

The Tuning Guide = reads:

"3. Rig Tuning =

a) Headstay Length =

Prior to stepping = the Mast: This length is measured from the center of = the

pins at the hounds = and the stem fitting and should equal 46' 00". = Maximum

headstay length = needs to be reduced in heavier air as much as 1 - 2" = by

tightening the = headstay thereby reducing rake and weather = helm."

This is the = original measurement and naturally adjustments are made on = an

individual boat = basis and the area and type of conditions you sail in. = As

the others have = said the balance within the boat will also depend on = a

number of other = factors including, mast step location, mainsail = draught

location, traveller = adjustment (height), backstay tension, sail = choice,

mainsail condition = and wind/weather conditions.

Regards

Rod = Stright

Equinox

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