[frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #685 - 11 msgs

[Bill Thompson]

Hi Courtney,

I bought my boat almost 2 years ago, knowing there was water in the decks. I didn't know until we started work just how much...

In the end, we ripped up the top layer of fibreglass and the core in the side decks from forward of the chain plates,more or less back to a foot aft of the fwd end of the cockpit, and the fwd half of the foredeck.

We did sampling everywhere to make sure we got everything moist out of there. In ripping up the decks, we did so one section at a time, leaving a 1.5" strip of deck every 18" or so, so we'd have a guide to meet the original thickness. We pulled up and rebuilt section by section so that
The whole thing didn't get out of hand.

The toe rail areas were dry, being solid glass, so your leaking is probably limited to the bolt holes. You can pull and reseal those that leak without pulling the entire rail.

I did pull the teak toe rails, replace and rebed with new sealant and hardware, as we did for all main deck hardware. 

Here's how we proceeded: 1st we added a thin layer of new glass to the existing bottom layer, then in areas with no hardware or through bolts, unicell structural foam, then about 6 layers of glass of different weights and weaves, feathered about 3" into adjoining areas, then gelcoat, and two coats of antiskid.

Anywhere there is hardware, and/or throughbolts is solid glass - 6" around chainplates and main foredeck cleat, & 2 - 4" around all others. In this way, any water getting into a hole of any type in the decks cannot get to core, and will run directly into the boat where it is easily detected, and corrected.

In rebedding the lifeline stanchions - also through solid glass, we replaced the fibreglass backing plates with 1/4" aluminum plates. 

Hope this helps. I can sens some pics if you like.

Best

Bill Thompson
d'Ad lib
Montreal
514 942-6709

On 2013-07-30, at 10:49 AM, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On 7/29/2013 2:02 PM, Michael Argyelan wrote:
>> Good stuff here. We were end for end last year, tried to dip pole this year, and let me tell you, unless it's blowing 30+, I see no point in a dip pole on this boat. Anyhoo, I'm going to sheets only with twings in anything below 15 and then to sheets and guys above that (depending on the bow person that day anyway...). I will actually keep the twings on the guys in that scenario (port to ports) so if it's a hot reach, the guy isn't smashing the heck out of the stanchions.
>> 
>> Courtney, I couldn't agree more that you need to see some sister ships. In the last year I've stripped the deck, rearranged hardware, gone down to four winches, double led pretty much everything spin related (love a good death roll...), changed everything to high tech cordage...I don't even use blocks for my spin sheet and guy deflectors, I use Antal low friction rings. I lead the sheets and guys way far aft and then lead them back forward to a deflector and then to their respective winches. In face the twing lines currently share the same deflector with the guys. I used to do a lot of rigging so I'm sort of a nerd (and I get most of my parts at cost...).
>> 
>> Anyhoo, love the convo. Thanks to all for the input. I'm going to have to make my way out East to sail with everyone at some point. I just found out there's another 33 in Chicago. I can't remember the name of the boat but they race in a different circle on Wednesday nights and I haven't seen them in the major regattas or any port to ports.
>> 
>> That's all for now from Chicago.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Argyelan
> Thank you David Ward. I fail to understand why no one has simply sent pictures. If I were in New England or weren't a thousand miles from another Frers33 (I'm in Savannah)
> I'd have already gone to look  :-)
> 
> Michael, I too am stripping down to the deck and having seen no other Frers33s have a  questions, and a request, please.
> 
> 1-Does the standard boat have the black track for cars, etc... running on deck near the hull deck joint ?  Mine get blister hot. Are others painting them or what and if so, with what ? I also seem to be getting leaks underneath. Did you rebed these and if so with what ?
> 
> 2-A cordage description of what you deployed would be much appreciated, obviously.
> 
> Finally, has anyone had problems with the balsa core and if yes, how'd you sort it out ?
> 
> Cordially,
> 
> Courtney
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