[frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #632 - 1 msg
Michael Argyelan
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Bob,
I use 9mm and 6mm, respectively.
Cheers,
Michael
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> 1. RE: Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #623 - 1 msg (Robert Farnum)
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> From: "Robert Farnum" <rsfarnum@sbcglobal.net>
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> Subject: RE: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #623 - 1 msg
> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:12:40 -0400
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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>
> Michael,
>
>
>
> I like the idea of Maffioli Swiftcord for the main sheet system. Any
> recommendations as to the size for each line?
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Michael Argyelan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:45 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #623 - 1 msg
>
>
>
> I do use the topper as supplied. I use spectra/dyneema lines for that too.
> I thought about using the center line hal as the topper but decided I like
> having it used for what it's supposed to be there for.
>
>
>
> As far as shackles are concerned, every hal/topper shackle we have on
> Mystify is a Tylaska T5 (5,000lb breaking strength). A couple of nice
> points about these are that they can be opened under load with a fid (and a
> lot of gusto) and nothing tends to get caught on them. I think snap
> shackles are just begging to get caught on something and open at the wrong
> time (not to mention they typically don't handle high loads without getting
> really big in size). I make my own soft shackles out of dyneema (NER
> Endura) and use those on the kite sheets. I use the T5's on the guys and
> then I really like the low load non swiveling Equiplite shackles for the
> jib
> sheets.
>
>
>
> I also highly, highly recommend checking out Yale PhD. racing cordage - so
> light - so strong. I use Maffioli Swiftcord for my gross and fine tune on
> the main sheet system. For light air sheets I have Marlow Excel Pro (like
> 5mm) for the really light stuff. For the light stuff on the kite we go to
> sheets only as I have the last 4' of my kite sheets stripped and use the
> soft shackles so I don't really need to carry a 2nd pair of light sheets.
> Not sure what I've left out....
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> Thanks Michael,
> =20
> That's a great offer and an excellent outline for a Frers 33 racing =
> package halyard plan.=20
> =20
> Do you use the topping lift as originally supplied with the boat? If so, =
> any recommendations for that? We have removed ours and use the =
> centerline halyard as a topping lift. It can serve as an extra halyard =
> in a pinch if need be. Also, for the headsail halyards we use Tylaska =
> shackles which can be opened and closed with one hand. The foredeck =
> appreciates that.
> =20
> Regards,
> =20
> Dave
> Wolverine
> =20
> David Nauber
> President
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> Argyelan
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> Ok folks, here is an area where I'm an expert. I'm new to the Frers 33 =
> but I own a charter/lesson company and I also run the Ship's Store at =
> Crowley's Yacht Yard in Chicago and am an expert in running rigging, =
> splicing, shackles, etc. I'm excited about this conversation!
> =20
> On the business end of things, any orders for rigging placed with me =
> will get free shipping and I'll price match APS, mauripro, West M*&%$&, =
> or otherwise.
> =20
> On the fun side, I have some cool recommendations if you're interested =
> in a full set of halyards. For the debate on whether to strip or not to =
> strip, I go with a mixed bag. My main hal I beef up to 3/8 as it takes =
> the most loads (for the most part) and keep completely covered. The jib =
> hal I keep covered as well but still to the 5/16 size. For spin hals, I =
> keep the cover at the shackle end (I splice everything, no knots) for =
> about 2 feet that way the cover is there for chafe whilst the kite is =
> up. I then strip "x" amount of cover so that the non covered part of =
> the hal is in the mast when fully hoisted. Of course, less cover =3D =
> less weight and when aloft, can make a big difference.=20
> =20
> I definitely add stopper balls to my spin hals, fyi. I will also strip =
> out the tail of the halyard as it takes no load (that's pretty picky and =
> me just being a big splice nerd). If you're worried about having exposed =
> core to the sun, wind, etc when not out racing, I sky my halyards and =
> use some Marlow Excel and use that as a messenger lined and send the =
> spin hals up to the stopper balls that way no core is exposed to direct =
> sunlight and will last longer.
> =20
> In terms of what core to use, I'm a HUGE fan of Vectran cores for main =
> and jib and then switch it over to dyneema/spectra for spin hals. The =
> little extra stretch from spectra is perfect for spin hals. In terms of =
> what brand/style, I'm a big fan of Yale Cordage. Samson Warpspeed is =
> great but I feel that the covers burn off/fray to quickly whereas Yale =
> holds up longer. Yale Crystalyne is the Vectran core and Maxibraid Plus =
> is the Spectra core offering from them. Of course there are vectran or =
> spectra/dyneema cored offerings from just about every manufacturer =
> (think NER V100 - on tons of J105's for halyards - all vectran).=20
> =20
> Well, I think I've nerded out enough for one morning! My rig is =
> unstepped and I can get measurements, fyi if anyone has questions. You =
> can email me at mma@crowleys.comor michael@gosailingchicago.com. Here =
> is a link to what we have online for cordage (we may have more in the =
> physical store - including different color offerings, etc) =
> http://store.crowleys.com/servlet/-strse-Rigging-cln-Lines-and-Cordage/Ca=
> <
> http://store.crowleys.com/servlet/-strse-Rigging-cln-Lines-and-Cordage/Ca=t
> egories?RiggingLinesandCordage=3D1<http://store.crowleys.com/servlet/-strse-Rigging-cln-Lines-and-Cordage/Ca=tegories?RiggingLinesandCordage=3D1>
> >
> tegories?RiggingLinesandCordage=3D1
> =20
> =20
> Of course, I'm happy just to talk/write about this stuff just to help =
> out - not a sales pitch. I just love this stuff.
> =20
> Cheers,
> =20
> =20
> Michael
> s.v. Mystify
> Chicago, IL
> =20
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> 1. Frers 33 Sheets and Halyards (Rod Stright)
> 2. RE: Frers 33 Sheets and Halyards (Stephen, Robert)
> 3. Sheets and Halyards (Rod Stright)
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> Message: 1
> From: Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca>
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:21:11 -0300
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Sheets and Halyards
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> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> Planning on replacing some halyards (main and jib) and genoa sheets. =
> There
> are a lot of products out there and of course I want the lowest stretch =
> at
> the lowest price. Anyone have any info on what they are using and why. =
> I
> know some racers use the stripped down spectra or vectran core but I =
> still
> believe in the high performance core with the jacket (outer core) that =
> you
> can end for end.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Rod
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> Equinox
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Bob,<div><br></div><div>I use 9mm and 6mm,=A0respectively.<br><br>Cheers,</=
div><div><br></div><div>Michael</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br=
></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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=A0 =A01. RE: Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #623 - 1 msg (Robert Farnum)<br>
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From: "Robert Farnum" <<a href=3D"mailto:rsfarnum@sbcglobal.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">rsfarnum@sbcglobal.net</a>><br>
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #623 - 1 msg<br>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:12:40 -0400<br>
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>frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br>
<br><br>
Michael,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I like the idea of Maffioli Swiftcord for the main sheet system. Any<br>
recommendations as to the size for each line?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a><br>
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] On Behalf Of Michael Argyelan<=
br>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:45 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" target=3D"_blank">frers=
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Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #623 - 1 msg<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I do use the topper as supplied. =A0I use spectra/dyneema lines for that to=
o.<br>
I thought about using the center line hal as the topper but decided I like<=
br>
having it used for what it's supposed to be there for.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As far as shackles are concerned, every hal/topper shackle we have on<br>
Mystify is a Tylaska T5 (5,000lb breaking strength). =A0A couple of nice<br=
>
points about these are that they can be opened under load with a fid (and a=
<br>
lot of gusto) and nothing tends to get caught on them. =A0I think snap<br>
shackles are just begging to get caught on something and open at the wrong<=
br>
time (not to mention they typically don't handle high loads without get=
ting<br>
really big in size). =A0I make my own soft shackles out of dyneema (NER<br>
Endura) and use those on the kite sheets. =A0I use the T5's on the guys=
and<br>
then I really like the low load non swiveling Equiplite shackles for the ji=
b<br>
sheets.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I also highly, highly recommend checking out Yale PhD. racing cordage - so<=
br>
light - so strong. =A0I use Maffioli Swiftcord for my gross and fine tune o=
n<br>
the main sheet system. =A0For light air sheets I have Marlow Excel Pro (lik=
e<br>
5mm) for the really light stuff. =A0For the light stuff on the kite we go t=
o<br>
sheets only as I have the last 4' of my kite sheets stripped and use th=
e<br>
soft shackles so I don't really need to carry a 2nd pair of light sheet=
s.<br>
Not sure what I've left out....<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks Michael,<br>
=3D20<br>
That's a great offer and an excellent outline for a Frers 33 racing =3D=
<br>
package halyard plan.=3D20<br>
=3D20<br>
Do you use the topping lift as originally supplied with the boat? If so, =
=3D<br>
any recommendations for that? We have removed ours and use the =3D<br>
centerline halyard as a topping lift. It can serve as an extra halyard =3D<=
br>
in a pinch if need be. Also, for the headsail halyards we use Tylaska =3D<b=
r>
shackles which can be opened and closed with one hand. The foredeck =3D<br>
appreciates that.<br>
=3D20<br>
Regards,<br>
=3D20<br>
Dave<br>
Wolverine<br>
=3D20<br>
David Nauber<br>
President<br>
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Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #621 - 3 msgs<br>
=3D20<br>
Ok folks, here is an area where I'm an expert. =A0I'm new to the Fr=
ers 33 =3D<br>
but I own a charter/lesson company and I also run the Ship's Store at =
=3D<br>
Crowley's Yacht Yard in Chicago and am an expert in running rigging, =
=3D<br>
splicing, shackles, etc. =A0I'm excited about this conversation!<br>
=3D20<br>
On the business end of things, any orders for rigging placed with me =3D<br=
>
will get free shipping and I'll price match APS, mauripro, West M*&=
%$&, =3D<br>
or otherwise.<br>
=3D20<br>
On the fun side, I have some cool recommendations if you're interested =
=3D<br>
in a full set of halyards. =A0For the debate on whether to strip or not to =
=3D<br>
strip, I go with a mixed bag. My main hal I beef up to 3/8 as it takes =3D<=
br>
the most loads (for the most part) and keep completely covered. The jib =3D=
<br>
hal I keep covered as well but still to the 5/16 size. For spin hals, I =3D=
<br>
keep the cover at the shackle end (I splice everything, no knots) for =3D<b=
r>
about 2 feet that way the cover is there for chafe whilst the kite is =3D<b=
r>
up. =A0I then strip "x" amount of cover so that the non covered p=
art of =3D<br>
the hal is in the mast when fully hoisted. =A0Of course, less cover =3D3D =
=3D<br>
less weight and when aloft, can make a big difference.=3D20<br>
=3D20<br>
I definitely add stopper balls to my spin hals, fyi. =A0I will also strip =
=3D<br>
out the tail of the halyard as it takes no load (that's pretty picky an=
d =3D<br>
me just being a big splice nerd). If you're worried about having expose=
d =3D<br>
core to the sun, wind, etc when not out racing, I sky my halyards and =3D<b=
r>
use some Marlow Excel and use that as a messenger lined and send the =3D<br=
>
spin hals up to the stopper balls that way no core is exposed to direct =3D=
<br>
sunlight and will last longer.<br>
=3D20<br>
In terms of what core to use, I'm a HUGE fan of Vectran cores for main =
=3D<br>
and jib and then switch it over to dyneema/spectra for spin hals. =A0The =
=3D<br>
little extra stretch from spectra is perfect for spin hals. In terms of =3D=
<br>
what brand/style, I'm a big fan of Yale Cordage. =A0Samson Warpspeed is=
=3D<br>
great but I feel that the covers burn off/fray to quickly whereas Yale =3D<=
br>
holds up longer. =A0Yale Crystalyne is the Vectran core and Maxibraid Plus =
=3D<br>
is the Spectra core offering from them. =A0Of course there are vectran or =
=3D<br>
spectra/dyneema cored offerings from just about every manufacturer =3D<br>
(think NER V100 - on tons of J105's for halyards - all vectran).=3D20<b=
r>
=3D20<br>
Well, I think I've nerded out enough for one morning! =A0My rig is =3D<=
br>
unstepped and I can get measurements, fyi if anyone =A0has questions. =A0Yo=
u =3D<br>
can email me at mma@crowleys.comor <a href=3D"mailto:michael@gosailingchica=
go.com" target=3D"_blank">michael@gosailingchicago.com</a>. =A0Here =3D<br>
is a link to what we have online for cordage (we may have more in the =3D<b=
r>
physical store - including different color offerings, etc) =3D<br>
<a href=3D"http://store.crowleys.com/servlet/-strse-Rigging-cln-Lines-and-C=
ordage/Ca=3D" target=3D"_blank">http://store.crowleys.com/servlet/-strse-Ri=
gging-cln-Lines-and-Cordage/Ca=3D</a><br>
<<a href=3D"http://store.crowleys.com/servlet/-strse-Rigging-cln-Lines-a=
nd-Cordage/Ca=3Dtegories?RiggingLinesandCordage=3D3D1" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://store.crowleys.com/servlet/-strse-Rigging-cln-Lines-and-Cordage/Ca=3Dt=
<br>
egories?RiggingLinesandCordage=3D3D1</a>><br>
tegories?RiggingLinesandCordage=3D3D1<br>
=3D20<br>
=3D20<br>
Of course, I'm happy just to talk/write about this stuff just to help =
=3D<br>
out - not a sales pitch. =A0I just love this stuff.<br>
=3D20<br>
Cheers,<br>
=3D20<br>
=3D20<br>
Michael<br>
s.v. Mystify<br>
Chicago, IL<br>
=3D20<br>
=3D20<br>
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:21:11 -0300<br>
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Sheets and Halyards<br>
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Hi Guys,<br>
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Planning on replacing some halyards (main and jib) and genoa sheets. =A0=3D=
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the lowest price. =A0Anyone have any info on what they are using and why. =
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know some racers use the stripped down spectra or vectran core but I =3D<br=
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still<br>
believe in the high performance core with the jacket (outer core) that =3D<=
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you<br>
can end for end.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Rod<br>
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Equinox<br>
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