From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Nov 18 17:44:49 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:44:49 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Fairing keel and rudder Message-ID: Hi all, Have sanded d'Ad lib's hull - waterline and below - back to the vinyl ester. Brutal work. The good news is, after 27 years, not a single blister, soft spot or other imperfection. Washed and wetted down there is no ripple of imperfection to be found in the reflection. Come spring, sealant and 6 coats of inter protect before bottom paint should keep her dry and healthy for a good long time. Pics avail. if anyone would like to see. However, keel and rudder (which is still dry) are not as fair, so I'm wondering if anyone has templates and/or methodology to suggest, so I can bring them fair, prior to coating and finishing. All help appreciated. Bill Thompson Montreal From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Nov 19 14:23:40 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 09:23:40 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]RE: Fairing keel and rudder Message-ID: <5788D959-0398-4F54-9241-23546C103E39@geomatrixproductions.com> --Apple-Mail-1-689411490 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill: Great to know that the vinyl ester holds up and stays dry. Yes we want = to see pictures! I don't have any particularly good advice on fairing = but I'm interested in what others will say. Edgar Smith Pachyderm= --Apple-Mail-1-689411490 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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= --Apple-Mail-1-689411490-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Nov 20 15:19:04 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (David Ward) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:19:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [frers-list]Re: Vol 1 #721 - 1 msg (Fairing keel and rudder) In-Reply-To: <20131119060301.26CE761D1F@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20131119060301.26CE761D1F@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <8D0B41AFBC01A87-224C-40583@webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D0B41AFBC9A00B_224C_E0868_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You indicated that you went down to the vinyl ester. Why did you remove t= he gel coat? Especially if you saw no signs of blistering. Just curious. = For fairing of foils, I suggest using 3M 30 inch flexible long board. Can = be used wet or dry. I recommend wet. I sand with a person spraying the hu= ll intermittently and spraying the board occassionally to remove sanding de= bris. Good luck. =20 Fairing keel and rudder =20 =20 David Ward dlwisme@aol.com =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-request To: frers-list Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:03 am Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #721 - 1 msg Send frers-list mailing list submissions to =09frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =09http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =09frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at =09frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fairing keel and rudder (Bill Thompson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Bill Thompson Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:44:49 -0500 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Fairing keel and rudder Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Hi all, Have sanded d'Ad lib's hull - waterline and below - back to the vinyl ester= .=20 Brutal work. The good news is, after 27 years, not a single blister, soft s= pot=20 or other imperfection. Washed and wetted down there is no ripple of imperfe= ction=20 to be found in the reflection. Come spring, sealant and 6 coats of inter pr= otect=20 before bottom paint should keep her dry and healthy for a good long time. P= ics=20 avail. if anyone would like to see. However, keel and rudder (which is still dry) are not as fair, so I'm wonde= ring=20 if anyone has templates and/or methodology to suggest, so I can bring them = fair,=20 prior to coating and finishing. All help appreciated. Bill Thompson Montreal --__--__-- _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list End of frers-list Digest =20 ----------MB_8D0B41AFBC9A00B_224C_E0868_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
You indicated that you went down to the vinyl ester.=   Why did you remove the gel coat?  Especially if you saw no sign= s of blistering.  Just curious.  For fairing of foils, I suggest = using 3M 30 inch flexible long board. Can be used wet or dry.  I recom= mend wet.  I sand with a person spraying the hull intermittently and s= praying the board occassionally to remove sanding debris.  Good luck.&= nbsp; 
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airing keel and rudder


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Hi all,

Have sanded d'Ad lib's hull - waterline and below - back to the vinyl ester=
.=20
Brutal work. The good news is, after 27 years, not a single blister, soft s=
pot=20
or other imperfection. Washed and wetted down there is no ripple of imperfe=
ction=20
to be found in the reflection. Come spring, sealant and 6 coats of inter pr=
otect=20
before bottom paint should keep her dry and healthy for a good long time. P=
ics=20
avail. if anyone would like to see.

However, keel and rudder (which is still dry) are not as fair, so I'm wonde=
ring=20
if anyone has templates and/or methodology to suggest, so I can bring them =
fair,=20
prior to coating and finishing. All help appreciated.

Bill Thompson
Montreal


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----------MB_8D0B41AFBC9A00B_224C_E0868_webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Nov 20 17:47:39 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:47:39 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Vol 1 #721 - 1 msg (Fairing keel and rudder) In-Reply-To: <8D0B41AFBC01A87-224C-40583@webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com> References: <20131119060301.26CE761D1F@mailman.siteprotect.com> <8D0B41AFBC01A87-224C-40583@webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: --Boundary_(ID_coXXzeOyMVPDNf9dZqJpwA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At haulout I saw a few tiny bubbles in the paint at the waterline here and there. That was enough to set me off. If something was happening anywhere in this hull, I wanted to get it, correct it, and stop it soonest. We used scrapers to take off the accumulated,old bottom paint (other bigger projects had taken priority since I bought the boat 2 years ago). Ehen we began sanding, we had to take the gelcoat off at the waterline to get a good look at anything that might be under it. In doing so, I saw the gelcoat had some variations in thickness, and while under where the bubbles had been the vinyl ester was still perfect, dry identical to all other areas of the hull, decided that we were far enough into this project to go all the way. Slight underestimation... Thanks for your suggestion on which longboard to use on keel & rudder. Still hoping somebody will check in on templates or a methodology to keep my airfoils in harmony (for want of a better term). William Thompson Sent from my iPad > On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:19 AM, David Ward wrote: > > You indicated that you went down to the vinyl ester. Why did you remove the gel coat? Especially if you saw no signs of blistering. Just curious. For fairing of foils, I suggest using 3M 30 inch flexible long board. Can be used wet or dry. I recommend wet. I sand with a person spraying the hull intermittently and spraying the board occassionally to remove sanding debris. Good luck. > Fairing keel and rudder > > > David Ward > dlwisme@aol.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-request > To: frers-list > Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:03 am > Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #721 - 1 msg > > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fairing keel and rudder (Bill Thompson) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: Bill Thompson > Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:44:49 -0500 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Fairing keel and rudder > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > Hi all, > > Have sanded d'Ad lib's hull - waterline and below - back to the vinyl ester. > Brutal work. The good news is, after 27 years, not a single blister, soft spot > or other imperfection. Washed and wetted down there is no ripple of imperfection > to be found in the reflection. Come spring, sealant and 6 coats of inter protect > before bottom paint should keep her dry and healthy for a good long time. Pics > avail. if anyone would like to see. > > However, keel and rudder (which is still dry) are not as fair, so I'm wondering > if anyone has templates and/or methodology to suggest, so I can bring them fair, > prior to coating and finishing. All help appreciated. > > Bill Thompson > Montreal > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > > End of frers-list Digest --Boundary_(ID_coXXzeOyMVPDNf9dZqJpwA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
At haulout I saw a few tiny bubbles in= the paint at the waterline here and there. That was enough to set me off. I= f something was happening anywhere in this hull, I wanted to get it, correct= it, and stop it soonest. 

We used scrapers to= take off the accumulated,old bottom paint (other bigger projects had taken p= riority since I bought the boat 2 years ago). Ehen we began sanding, we had t= o take the gelcoat off at the waterline to get a good look at anything that m= ight be under it. In doing so, I saw the gelcoat had some variations in thic= kness, and while under where the bubbles had been the vinyl ester was still p= erfect, dry identical to all other areas of the hull, decided that we were f= ar enough into this project to go all the way. 

Slight underestimation...

Thanks for your suggest= ion on which longboard to use on keel & rudder. Still hoping somebody wi= ll check in on templates or a methodology to keep my airfoils in harmony (fo= r want of a better term).

William Thompson
Sent from my iPad

On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:19 AM, David Ward <dlwisme@aol.com> wrote:

You indicated that you went down to the vinyl ester.&= nbsp; Why did you remove the gel coat?  Especially if you saw no signs o= f blistering.  Just curious.  For fairing of foils, I suggest usin= g 3M 30 inch flexible long board. Can be used wet or dry.  I recommend w= et.  I sand with a person spraying the hull intermittently and spraying= the board occassionally to remove sanding debris.  Good luck.  
Fai=
ring keel and rudder


David Ward
dlwisme@aol.com


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Hi all,

Have sanded d'Ad lib's hull - waterline and below - back to the vinyl ester.=
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Brutal work. The good news is, after 27 years, not a single blister, soft sp=
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cs=20
avail. if anyone would like to see.

However, keel and rudder (which is still dry) are not as fair, so I'm wonder=
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if anyone has templates and/or methodology to suggest, so I can bring them f=
air,=20
prior to coating and finishing. All help appreciated.

Bill Thompson
Montreal


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= --Boundary_(ID_coXXzeOyMVPDNf9dZqJpwA)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Nov 21 17:01:48 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:01:48 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]William Thompson has shared 'Hull work' with you using Dropbox Message-ID: <22BCEFB1-D8FE-4C9F-AC89-511BA1575D5F@videotron.ca> --Boundary_(ID_DzcZ8S+F2mVki6+q53ALjQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Here's a link to "Hull work" in my Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8ne60gn9w3tsqfa/1DLEztI85i William Thompson Sent from my iPad --Boundary_(ID_DzcZ8S+F2mVki6+q53ALjQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi,

Here's a link to "Hull work" in my Dropbox:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8ne60gn9w3tsqfa/1DLEztI85i



William Thompson
Sent from my iPad
--Boundary_(ID_DzcZ8S+F2mVki6+q53ALjQ)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Nov 23 21:57:38 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:57:38 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]William Thompson has shared 'Hull work' with you using Dropbox In-Reply-To: <22BCEFB1-D8FE-4C9F-AC89-511BA1575D5F@videotron.ca> References: <22BCEFB1-D8FE-4C9F-AC89-511BA1575D5F@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <085c50dec01b33834787b64047ca798c.squirrel@mail.suffolk.lib.ny.us> ------=_20131123165738_88899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bill;  Enjoyed your photos of my former pride and joy.  Gratified to know she's in good hands and getting loving care.  Keep us posted on progress.                                                         Bob Ames         > Hi, > Here's a link to "Hull work" in my Dropbox: > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8ne60gn9w3tsqfa/1DLEztI85i > > > > William Thompson > Sent from my iPad > ------=_20131123165738_88899 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Bill;

 Enjoyed your photos of my former pride and joy.  Gratified to know she's

in good hands and getting loving care.  Keep us posted on progress.

                                                        Bob Ames

 

 

 

 

> Hi,
> Here's a link to "Hull work" in my Dropbox:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8ne60gn9w3tsqfa/1DLEztI85i
>
>
>
> William Thompson
> Sent from my iPad
>

------=_20131123165738_88899-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Nov 26 19:01:30 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:01:30 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]To: Bill Thompson Message-ID: <5294F00A.2090800@bellsouth.net> Bill, Thanks for the sharing your refurbishment experience. My question is: does your boat have the standard keel or is it the modified shorter one ? In either case, what is its depth from keel bottom to hull attachment area, please ? I realize "attachment area" is a somewhat vague notion but I refer to.....the vertical distance from an imaginary horizontal plane that would contact the hull's 'bottom most point' and where the keel begins..... to the keel bottom, if that's clearer :-) When I bought my boat I was told it had the short modified keel but from your pictures, mine "appears" to be like yours. Cordially, Courtney Thomas ccthomas01@yahoo.com From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Nov 26 19:12:06 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:12:06 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]To: Bill Thompson In-Reply-To: <5294F00A.2090800@bellsouth.net> References: <5294F00A.2090800@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Hi Courtney, I modified the keel. Took off 7", 240 lb. Had Mars Keels do the lead bulb in 2 bolt-through halves with bolt holes pre-drilled. Have pics of the process. So from standard 6'3" draft, went down to 5'8", but with glass over bulb, drawing 5'81/2". Kept the stub so I can remove bulb and bolt stub back on, up through the bottom if I ever sell it back into the 1 design fleet. Will send measurement requested later. Need to go to boat and measure. Best, Bill William Thompson Sent from my iPad > On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Courtney Thomas wrote: > > Bill, > > Thanks for the sharing your refurbishment experience. > > My question is: does your boat have the standard keel or is it the modified shorter one ? In either case, > what is its depth from keel bottom to hull attachment area, please ? > > I realize "attachment area" is a somewhat vague notion but I refer to.....the vertical distance from an imaginary horizontal plane that would contact the hull's 'bottom most point' and where the keel begins..... to the keel bottom, if that's clearer :-) > > When I bought my boat I was told it had the short modified keel but from your pictures, mine "appears" to be like yours. > > Cordially, > > Courtney Thomas > ccthomas01@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Nov 27 18:21:56 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:21:56 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]To: Bill Thompson In-Reply-To: References: <5294F00A.2090800@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <52963844.4000504@bellsouth.net> On 11/26/2013 2:12 PM, Bill Thompson wrote: > Hi Courtney, > > I modified the keel. Took off 7", 240 lb. Had Mars Keels do the lead bulb in 2 bolt-through halves with bolt holes pre-drilled. Have pics of the process. So from standard 6'3" draft, went down to 5'8", but with glass over bulb, drawing 5'81/2". Kept the stub so I can remove bulb and bolt stub back on, up through the bottom if I ever sell it back into the 1 design fleet. > > Will send measurement requested later. Need to go to boat and measure. > > Best, > > Bill > > William Thompson > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Courtney Thomas wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> Thanks for the sharing your refurbishment experience. >> >> My question is: does your boat have the standard keel or is it the modified shorter one ? In either case, >> what is its depth from keel bottom to hull attachment area, please ? >> >> I realize "attachment area" is a somewhat vague notion but I refer to.....the vertical distance from an imaginary horizontal plane that would contact the hull's 'bottom most point' and where the keel begins..... to the keel bottom, if that's clearer :-) >> >> When I bought my boat I was told it had the short modified keel but from your pictures, mine "appears" to be like yours. >> >> Cordially, >> >> Courtney Thomas >> ccthomas01@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > Thank you Bill. I look forward to hearing back regarding your measurements vis-a-vis my own. How'd you decide on 7" , etc..... ? Is glassing the bulb related to the 'goback' option, or what ? What difference did 7" make ? To my ignorant thoughts, that doesn't intuitively seem like it'd make enough difference in anything to be worth the trouble and expense, but admittedly, I know little and hope I'm wrong since I was told that someone did something similar to mine but omitted the 'goback' step you so wisely included :-) Cordially, Courtney From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Nov 27 18:40:28 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:40:28 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]To: Bill Thompson In-Reply-To: <52963844.4000504@bellsouth.net> References: <5294F00A.2090800@bellsouth.net> <52963844.4000504@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <0CB61697-26F9-465D-8EBA-B462E9A25AD1@videotron.ca> 4'8" fwd end of keel. 4'9" at aft end (curvature of hull) 7" was the min I could take to get in and out of our harbour. Also because there is a full keel Alberg 37 at our place that draws 5'9", so at low water, I let him plow his way out through the silt, and open the way for me. Took as little as possible in order to protect performance. However, Mars Keels said that to compensate for the 240 lb we took off, I should have 280 lb to compensate. I asked,for an extra 100 lb down there, feeling I would accept the weight penalty in very light air, as a tradeoff for a little more stiffness. 100 lb 5'9" below the waterline is worth 200 lb on the rail. Overall increase in wetted surface is about 14 sq in. We can't determine in any scientific way if the shape of the bulb at the end of the keel has any tip vortex attenuation effect, but as I said, I can point with the Etchells, and am as fast or faster on all points of sail except downwind when they hit planing velocity. Still working on getting our 8-man boat handling as slick as they are in their 3-man boats with smaller, more easily handled sails... William Thompson Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Courtney Thomas wrote: > >> On 11/26/2013 2:12 PM, Bill Thompson wrote: >> Hi Courtney, >> >> I modified the keel. Took off 7", 240 lb. Had Mars Keels do the lead bulb in 2 bolt-through halves with bolt holes pre-drilled. Have pics of the process. So from standard 6'3" draft, went down to 5'8", but with glass over bulb, drawing 5'81/2". Kept the stub so I can remove bulb and bolt stub back on, up through the bottom if I ever sell it back into the 1 design fleet. >> >> Will send measurement requested later. Need to go to boat and measure. >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> William Thompson >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Courtney Thomas wrote: >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> Thanks for the sharing your refurbishment experience. >>> >>> My question is: does your boat have the standard keel or is it the modified shorter one ? In either case, >>> what is its depth from keel bottom to hull attachment area, please ? >>> >>> I realize "attachment area" is a somewhat vague notion but I refer to.....the vertical distance from an imaginary horizontal plane that would contact the hull's 'bottom most point' and where the keel begins..... to the keel bottom, if that's clearer :-) >>> >>> When I bought my boat I was told it had the short modified keel but from your pictures, mine "appears" to be like yours. >>> >>> Cordially, >>> >>> Courtney Thomas >>> ccthomas01@yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> frers-list mailing list >>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > Thank you Bill. I look forward to hearing back regarding your measurements vis-a-vis my own. > > How'd you decide on 7" , etc..... ? > > Is glassing the bulb related to the 'goback' option, or what ? > > What difference did 7" make ? To my ignorant thoughts, that doesn't intuitively seem like it'd make > enough difference in anything to be worth the trouble and expense, but admittedly, I know little > and hope I'm wrong since I was told that someone did something similar to mine but omitted the > 'goback' step you so wisely included :-) > > Cordially, > Courtney > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Nov 27 17:48:25 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Joyce Oberdorf) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:48:25 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Fairing keel and rudder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill-- Here is what I know. When I bought Checkmate, eons ago, we looked at 4 Frers 33s Each one had a slightly different keel and rudder. Wolverine had a less deep keel-- but NOT the "shallow keel" version. Impetuous had a deeper keel, faired to a fine blade, as was the rudder. We measured with calipers the thickness of the trailing edges. ALL DIFFERENT> This is apparently not covered by class rules. At that time (way back in the 90s), Impetuous was one of the leading boats, and the owner, Paul Zabetakis, was class president at the time. And close by. So we decided to go with that. We extended the rudder about 3 includes to fair it from about 3/4 inch to a fine edge. Did the same to keel. We didn't have templates. If I can find the diagram of the two boats we measured (I plotted the shapes on graph paper, I'll copy scan and email. Joyce On 11/18/13 1:44 PM, "Bill Thompson" wrote: > Hi all, > > Have sanded d'Ad lib's hull - waterline and below - back to the vinyl ester. > Brutal work. The good news is, after 27 years, not a single blister, soft spot > or other imperfection. Washed and wetted down there is no ripple of > imperfection to be found in the reflection. Come spring, sealant and 6 coats > of inter protect before bottom paint should keep her dry and healthy for a > good long time. Pics avail. if anyone would like to see. > > However, keel and rudder (which is still dry) are not as fair, so I'm > wondering if anyone has templates and/or methodology to suggest, so I can > bring them fair, prior to coating and finishing. All help appreciated. > > Bill Thompson > Montreal > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Nov 27 19:15:41 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:15:41 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Fairing keel and rudder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: TY Joyce, much appreciated. Bill William Thompson Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Joyce Oberdorf wrote: > > Bill-- > Here is what I know. When I bought Checkmate, eons ago, we looked at 4 > Frers 33s Each one had a slightly different keel and rudder. Wolverine had a > less deep keel-- but NOT the "shallow keel" version. Impetuous had a deeper > keel, faired to a fine blade, as was the rudder. > We measured with calipers the thickness of the trailing edges. ALL > DIFFERENT> > This is apparently not covered by class rules. At that time (way back in > the 90s), Impetuous was one of the leading boats, and the owner, Paul > Zabetakis, was class president at the time. And close by. So we decided to > go with that. We extended the rudder about 3 includes to fair it from about > 3/4 inch to a fine edge. Did the same to keel. We didn't have templates. If > I can find the diagram of the two boats we measured (I plotted the shapes on > graph paper, I'll copy scan and email. > > Joyce > > >> On 11/18/13 1:44 PM, "Bill Thompson" wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Have sanded d'Ad lib's hull - waterline and below - back to the vinyl ester. >> Brutal work. The good news is, after 27 years, not a single blister, soft spot >> or other imperfection. Washed and wetted down there is no ripple of >> imperfection to be found in the reflection. Come spring, sealant and 6 coats >> of inter protect before bottom paint should keep her dry and healthy for a >> good long time. Pics avail. if anyone would like to see. >> >> However, keel and rudder (which is still dry) are not as fair, so I'm >> wondering if anyone has templates and/or methodology to suggest, so I can >> bring them fair, prior to coating and finishing. All help appreciated. >> >> Bill Thompson >> Montreal >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Nov 28 01:29:34 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (ozgur) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:29:34 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]headstay foil for sale Message-ID: --089e0158ab2070221f04ec32a596 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 for sale: headstay with foil, that i took out when i installed the furler. pictures: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i3zmtui3ng9mi3i/Uy_mYmfA26 location: NYC oz / relentless 404-242-5058 --089e0158ab2070221f04ec32a596 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--089e0158ab2070221f04ec32a596-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Nov 28 14:25:02 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:25:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [frers-list]Fairing keel and rudder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1385648702.83516.YahooMailBasic@web162303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Joyce, Sounds like those pics might be a nice additions to the Frers website for a= ll to see. Scott -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11/27/13, Joyce Oberdorf wrote: Subject: Re: [frers-list]Fairing keel and rudder To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 12:48 PM =20 Bill-- Here is what I=A0 know.=A0 When I bought Checkmate, eons ago, we looked at 4 Frers 33s Each one had a slightly different keel and rudder. Wolverine had a less deep keel-- but NOT the "shallow keel" version.=A0 Impetuous had a deeper keel, faired to a fine blade, as was the rudder. We measured with calipers the thickness of the trailing edges. ALL DIFFERENT> This is apparently not covered by class rules.=A0 At that time (way back in the 90s), Impetuous was one of the leading boats, and the owner, Paul Zabetakis, was class president at the time. And close by. So we decided to go with that.=A0 We extended the rudder about 3 includes to fair it from about 3/4 inch to a fine edge. Did the same to keel. We didn't have templates.=A0 If I can find the diagram of the two boats we measured (I plotted the shapes on graph paper, I'll copy scan and email. =20 Joyce =20 =20 On 11/18/13 1:44 PM, "Bill Thompson" wrote: =20 > Hi all, >=20 > Have sanded d'Ad lib's hull - waterline and below - back to the vinyl ester. > Brutal work. The good news is, after 27 years, not a single blister, soft spot > or other imperfection. Washed and wetted down there is no ripple of > imperfection to be found in the reflection. Come spring, sealant and 6 coats > of inter protect before bottom paint should keep her dry and healthy for a > good long time. Pics avail. if anyone would like to see. >=20 > However, keel and rudder (which is still dry) are not as fair, so I'm > wondering if anyone has templates and/or methodology to suggest, so I can > bring them fair, prior to coating and finishing. All help appreciated. >=20 > Bill Thompson > Montreal > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list =20 =20 _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Nov 28 16:07:02 2013 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Ted Dombroski) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:07:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [frers-list]headstay foil for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1385654822.61947.YahooMailNeo@web181206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ---1825788062-511689229-1385654822=:61947 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oz,=0A=A0=0ACan you send details to me at the address below.=A0 I'm looking= to replace the foil presently on my boat.=0A=A0=0AThanks,=0A=A0=0ATed=0A= =0ATed Dombroski, Architect=0ADOMBROSKI ARCHITECTS, llc.=0A71 Whitfield Str= eet Suite C=0AGuilford, CT. 06437=0AT 203-453-8606=0AC 203-589-9674=0A=0AFr= om: ozgur =0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =0ASen= t: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:29 PM=0ASubject: [frers-list]headstay foi= l for sale=0A=0A=0A=0Afor sale: headstay with foil, that i took out when i = installed the furler. =0A=0A=0Apictures:=0Ahttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/i3zmt= ui3ng9mi3i/Uy_mYmfA26=0A=0A=0Alocation: NYC=0A=0Aoz / relentless=0A=A0404-2= 42-5058 ---1825788062-511689229-1385654822=:61947 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Can you send details= to me at the address below.  I'm looking to replace the foil presentl= y on my boat.
 
Thanks,
 
Ted
 
Ted Dombroski, Architect
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71 Whitfield Street Suite C
Guilford, CT. 06437
T 203-453-8= 606
C 203-589-9674

From: ozgur <ozgur.email@gmail.com>=
To: frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com
Sent: Wednesd= ay, November 27, 2013 8:29 PM
Subje= ct: [frers-list]headstay foil for sale

for sale: headstay with foil, that i took out when i install= ed the furler.
location: NYC

oz / relentless
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