From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Aug 2 21:48:50 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 17:48:50 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Bow Attachment for an A Kite Message-ID: <002a01cfae93$29f4d350$7dde79f0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CFAE7A.04A921F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, Just acquired an A kite for Equinox and was wondering if anyone has come up with an arrangement for securing the tack forward of the head stay. There is no bow roller or fitting forward of the headstay to work with on Equinox. Regards Rod Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CFAE7A.04A921F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi =
Guys,
Just =
acquired an A kite for Equinox and was wondering if anyone has come up =
with an arrangement for securing the tack forward of the head =
stay. There is no bow roller or fitting forward of the headstay to =
work with on Equinox.
Regards
Rod
Equinox
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> Guys,
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face=3D3DCalibri>Just =
=3D
> acquired an A kite for Equinox and was wondering if anyone has come up =
=3D
> with an arrangement for securing the tack forward of the head =3D
> stay. There is no bow roller or fitting forward of the headstay to =
=3D
> work with on Equinox.
class=3D3DMsoNormal> style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#002060'>
face=3D3DCalibri> style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#002060'>Regards
face=3D3DCalibri> style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#002060'>Rod
face=3D3DCalibri> style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#002060'>Equinox
face=3D3DCalibri> style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#002060'>
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt'>
Have now had Persistence for 2 months. Still feel like we have =
not sailed it.
We are coming from a series of smaller tiller driven boats with =
fractional main driven rigs culminating with a =
J27.
Perhaps it is that I am very distracted by the Winnebago aspects of =
the boat. Loving having an interior and a separate head and =
especially loving the 3GM30 diesel. However even after a 400 NM =
delivery and numerous day trips I am finding we have not sailed the boat =
and I find some things about the way it is rigged quite confusing and =
awkard.
On the J27 and even on C&C99 and C&C 115 the traveler is at =
aft of cockpit just forward of wheel (on wheel boats) and easily =
accessed by driver on the tiller boats. Backstay, traveler, sheet =
all at this location. On the Frers the traveler is forward of the =
jib trimmer position which just seems odd. I am confused why =
anyone would put it there. My best guess is that when sailing with =
a crew the main trimmer is on high side and the jib trimmer sets the jib =
on low side and then gets up on the rail, Is this =
correct?
The jib controls are a bit different as well. On the J27 the =
genoa car adjusters are forward of the primaries so that the trimmer can =
look at the genoa while adjusting the cars. The controls are =
positioned exactly where the pole down cam cleats are on the =
Frers. I am tempted to set up using these cam cleats same as J27 =
as it works better and route the pole downhaul to a cabintop clutch =
beside the pole uphaul.
I am thinking the adjustments we are having are a bit awkward because =
we are spending some time cruising and/or have guests aboard too =
frequently to allow us to really sail the boat. On top of that I =
am very infatuated with a large diesel and wheel so tempted to motor =
more often than in past. Hopefully with the cooler Fall weather =
the tourists are less interested and the sailors will come out and we =
will actually sail and race the boat
Sorry for the rambling email. Almost feel like I need to sit =
forward of the wheel to drive so that can access the sail =
controls.
Later
Mike
Persistence
Thanks Dave
Interesting about the car adjuster position. On Persistence the =
primaries were moved to cabin top and #43 electric winches installed aft =
end of winch pad for single handing/cruising. We have since =
purchased Lewmar 30ST for cabin top and are moving the #43 from cabin =
top back to forward end of winch pad. The car adjusters are back =
at end of winch pad by the electric winches. Note that C&C99 =
has them there as well and I find it a dumb place for them while racing =
… and awkward
My normal position when racing is on main – mostly on a C&C =
115 and also on our J27. When short on crew on J27 or just sailing =
would often do helm and main. Will seem different to move further =
forward but is a small cockpit so expect will not really be an issue =
– except when bumping into jib trimmers =
ocassionally.
Is a very different boat than the 27. Seems to be a lot =
more jib driven with much larger loads on jib sheets etc … =
Looking fwd to actually racing it a bit. Love the fact =
that we can also stay aboard when not racing
Mike
From:=
=
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of David =
Nauber
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 10:07 AM
To: =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: =
[frers-list]adjusting to a cruiser =
...
One more thing...
Upwind, I always drive from forward of the wheel. If necessary when =
heeled, I put a foot on the pedestal to keep myself in position. I drive =
better downwind if I'm standing somewhere behind the wheel. I just see =
and feel everything better from =
there.
DN
O=
n , David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> =
wrote:
Hi Mike,
The traveler is where it is because the boat was available with =
either a tiller or a wheel. When fitted with a tiller, there isn't =
enough room in the cockpit to put the traveler behind the jib trimmers. =
It is a big tiller, so it takes up all the room there is behind the jib =
trimmers. There just isn't room for a main trimmer to fit there. I used =
to have a smaller boat (Wavelength 24) with the traveler just forward of =
the helm and it was designed so the helmsman trimmed main while racing, =
like an Etchells or many other small boats. In a racing situation, you =
would not want to trim main and drive on the Frers anyway. Unless you're =
single-handing, I don't see a problem with its location and even then, =
you can at least rig the traveler to be accessible from the helm as =
Scott Marino has done on =
Risoluto.
I'm not sure how you're boat is rigged but on Wolverine and all the =
other Frers I've seen the car adjuster is indeed forward of the jib =
trimmer. Ours runs to a cam cleat on the side of the cabin top below =
where the pole downhaul/foreguy is cleated. From there you can look at =
the sail while adjusting the car, just as you would =
expect.
I know what you're saying about motoring a lot. When on vacation, we =
usually leave early in the AM before there's enough breeze to justify =
hoisting sails, so we motor almost =
everywhere.
Regards,
Dave
O=
n Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:44 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> =
wrote:
Have now had Persistence for 2 months. Still feel like we have =
not sailed it.
We are coming from a series of smaller tiller driven boats with =
fractional main driven rigs culminating with a J27.
Perhaps it is that I am very distracted by the Winnebago aspects of =
the boat. Loving having an interior and a separate head and =
especially loving the 3GM30 diesel. However even after a 400 NM =
delivery and numerous day trips I am finding we have not sailed the boat =
and I find some things about the way it is rigged quite confusing and =
awkard.
On the J27 and even on C&C99 and C&C 115 the traveler is at =
aft of cockpit just forward of wheel (on wheel boats) and easily =
accessed by driver on the tiller boats. Backstay, traveler, sheet =
all at this location. On the Frers the traveler is forward of the =
jib trimmer position which just seems odd. I am confused why =
anyone would put it there. My best guess is that when sailing with =
a crew the main trimmer is on high side and the jib trimmer sets the jib =
on low side and then gets up on the rail, Is this =
correct?
The jib controls are a bit different as well. On the J27 the =
genoa car adjusters are forward of the primaries so that the trimmer can =
look at the genoa while adjusting the cars. The controls are =
positioned exactly where the pole down cam cleats are on the =
Frers. I am tempted to set up using these cam cleats same as J27 =
as it works better and route the pole downhaul to a cabintop clutch =
beside the pole uphaul.
I am thinking the adjustments we are having are a bit awkward because =
we are spending some time cruising and/or have guests aboard too =
frequently to allow us to really sail the boat. On top of that I =
am very infatuated with a large diesel and wheel so tempted to motor =
more often than in past. Hopefully with the cooler Fall weather =
the tourists are less interested and the sailors will come out and we =
will actually sail and race the boat
Sorry for the rambling email. Almost feel like I need to sit =
forward of the wheel to drive so that can access the sail =
controls.
Later
Mike
Persistence
--089e0160ad941420c7050188edf6-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Aug 27 02:08:35 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [frers-list]adjusting to a cruiser ... In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419BFF7FC@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419BFF7AF@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <1409058278.65758.YahooMailNeo@web126102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1409058418.89949.YahooMailNeo@web126106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419BFF7FC@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <8D18FAA8FCB0C4F-20A8-365E7@webmail-vm077.sysops.aol.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D18FAA8FDE1647_20A8_BAF71_webmail-vm077.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi=0Adoes=20anyone=20have=20a=20source=20for=20stantions.=20=20I=20need=20one=20= half=20of=20the=20gait=20port=20side=20foward=0A=0A=0AArnie=20Lesser=0A=0A=0A=0A= -----Original=20Message-----=0AFrom:=20Hoyt,=20Mike=20Thanks Dave
=C2=A0
Interesting about t= he car adjuster position.=C2=A0 On Persistence the primaries were moved to = cabin top and #43 electric winches installed aft end of winch pad for singl= e handing/cruising.=C2=A0 We have since purchased Lewmar 30ST for cabin top= and are moving the #43 from cabin top back to forward end of winch pad.=C2= =A0 The car adjusters are back at end of winch pad by the electric winches.= =C2=A0 Note that C&C99 has them there as well and I find it a dumb plac= e for them while racing =E2=80=A6 and awkward
=C2=A0
My normal position = when racing is on main =E2=80=93 mostly on a C&C 115 and also on our J2= 7.=C2=A0 When short on crew on J27 or just sailing would often do helm and = main.=C2=A0 Will seem different to move further forward but is a small cock= pit so expect will not really be an issue =E2=80=93 except when bumping int= o jib trimmers ocassionally.
=C2=A0
Is a very different= boat=C2=A0 than the 27.=C2=A0 Seems to be a lot more jib driven with much = larger loads on jib sheets etc =E2=80=A6 =C2=A0=C2=A0Looking fwd to actuall= y racing it a bit.=C2=A0 Love the fact that we can also stay aboard when no= t racing
=C2=A0
Mike<= /span>
=C2=A0
From: frers-list= -admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <= b>On Behalf Of David Nauber
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 10:07 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers3= 3.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]adjusting to a cruiser ...<= /u>=C2=A0
One = more thing...
=C2=A0<= u>
Upwind, I always drive from forward of the wheel. If necessary when heel= ed, I put a foot on the pedestal to keep myself in position. I drive better= downwind if I'm standing somewhere behind the wheel. I just see and fe= el everything better from there.
=C2=A0<= u>
DN
=C2=A0
On , David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:=
=C2=A0
Hi Mike,
=C2=A0= p>
The traveler i= s where it is because the boat was available with either a tiller or a whee= l. When fitted with a tiller, there isn't enough room in the cockpit to= put the traveler behind the jib trimmers. It is a big tiller, so it takes = up all the room there is behind the jib trimmers. There just isn't room= for a main trimmer to fit there. I used to have a smaller boat (Wavelength= 24) with the traveler just forward of the helm and it was designed so the = helmsman trimmed main while racing, like an Etchells or many other small bo= ats. In a racing situation, you would not want to trim main and drive on th= e Frers anyway. Unless you're single-handing, I don't see a problem= with its location and even then, you can at least rig the traveler to be a= ccessible from the helm as Scott Marino has done on Risoluto.=C2=A0<= u>
=C2=A0<= u>
I'm not sure how you're boat is rigged but on Wolverine and all = the other Frers I've seen the car adjuster is indeed forward of the jib= trimmer. Ours runs to a cam cleat on the side of the cabin top below where= the pole downhaul/foreguy is cleated. From there you can look at the sail = while adjusting the car, just as you would expect.
=C2=A0<= u>
I know what you're saying about motoring a lot. When on vacation, we= usually leave early in the AM before there's enough breeze to justify = hoisting sails, so we motor almost everywhere.=C2=A0= p>
=C2=A0<= u>
Regards,
=C2=A0<= u>
Dave
=C2=A0= u>
= div>On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:44 AM, "Hoy= t, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:
=C2=A0
Have now had Persistence for 2 months.=C2=A0 Sti= ll feel like we have not sailed it.= p>
=C2=A0
We are coming from a series of smaller tiller driven boats wit= h fractional main driven rigs culminating with a J27.= u>
=C2=A0
Perhaps it is that I am very distracted by the Winnebago aspec= ts of the boat.=C2=A0 Loving having an interior and a separate head and esp= ecially loving the 3GM30 diesel.=C2=A0 However even after a 400 NM delivery= and numerous day trips I am finding we have not sailed the boat and I find= some things about the way it is rigged quite confusing and awkard.<= span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";colo= r:black">
=C2=A0
On the J27 and even on C&C99 and C&C 115 the traveler = is at aft of cockpit just forward of wheel (on wheel boats) and easily acce= ssed by driver on the tiller boats.=C2=A0 Backstay, traveler, sheet all at = this location.=C2=A0 On the Frers the traveler is forward of the jib trimme= r position which just seems odd.=C2=A0 I am confused why anyone would put i= t there.=C2=A0 My best guess is that when sailing with a crew the main trim= mer is on high side and the jib trimmer sets the jib on low side and then g= ets up on the rail,=C2=A0 Is this correct?= span>
=C2=A0
The jib controls are a bit different as well.=C2=A0 On the J27= the genoa car adjusters are forward of the primaries so that the trimmer c= an look at the genoa while adjusting the cars.=C2=A0 The controls are posit= ioned exactly where the pole down cam cleats are on the Frers.=C2=A0 I am t= empted to set up using these cam cleats same as J27 as it works better and = route the pole downhaul to a cabintop clutch beside the pole uphaul.=
=C2=A0
I am thinking the adjustments we are having are a bit awkward = because we are spending some time cruising and/or have guests aboard too fr= equently to allow us to really sail the boat.=C2=A0 On top of that I am ver= y infatuated with a large diesel and wheel so tempted to motor more often t= han in past.=C2=A0 Hopefully with the cooler Fall weather the tourists are = less interested and the sailors will come out and we will actually sail and= race the boat
=C2=A0
Sorry for the rambling email.=C2=A0 Almost feel like I need to= sit forward of the wheel to drive so that can access the sail controls.=C2= =A0
=C2=A0
Later
=C2=A0
Mike
=C2=A0
Persistence
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
= div>--Neal Melanson89 Central St.Row= ley Ma. 01969=C2=A0978 948 7189=0A= To:=20frers-list=20 =0ASent:=20Tue,=20Aug=2026,=202= 014=209:34=20am=0ASubject:=20RE:=20[frers-list]adjusting=20to=20a=20cruiser=20..= .=0A=0A=0A=0AThanks=20Dave=0A=20=0AInteresting=20about=20the=20car=20adjuster=20= position.=20=20On=20Persistence=20the=20primaries=20were=20moved=20to=20cabin=20= top=20and=20#43=20electric=20winches=20installed=20aft=20end=20of=20winch=20pad=20= for=20single=20handing/cruising.=20=20We=20have=20since=20purchased=20Lewmar=203= 0ST=20for=20cabin=20top=20and=20are=20moving=20the=20#43=20from=20cabin=20top=20= back=20to=20forward=20end=20of=20winch=20pad.=20=20The=20car=20adjusters=20are=20= back=20at=20end=20of=20winch=20pad=20by=20the=20electric=20winches.=20=20Note=20= that=20C&C99=20has=20them=20there=20as=20well=20and=20I=20find=20it=20a=20dumb=20= place=20for=20them=20while=20racing=20=E2=80=A6=20and=20awkward=0A=20=0AMy=20nor= mal=20position=20when=20racing=20is=20on=20main=20=E2=80=93=20mostly=20on=20a=20= C&C=20115=20and=20also=20on=20our=20J27.=20=20When=20short=20on=20crew=20on=20J2= 7=20or=20just=20sailing=20would=20often=20do=20helm=20and=20main.=20=20Will=20se= em=20different=20to=20move=20further=20forward=20but=20is=20a=20small=20cockpit=20= so=20expect=20will=20not=20really=20be=20an=20issue=20=E2=80=93=20except=20when=20= bumping=20into=20jib=20trimmers=20ocassionally.=0A=20=0AIs=20a=20very=20differen= t=20boat=20=20than=20the=2027.=20=20Seems=20to=20be=20a=20lot=20more=20jib=20dri= ven=20with=20much=20larger=20loads=20on=20jib=20sheets=20etc=20=E2=80=A6=20=20=20= Looking=20fwd=20to=20actually=20racing=20it=20a=20bit.=20=20Love=20the=20fact=20= that=20we=20can=20also=20stay=20aboard=20when=20not=20racing=0A=20=0AMike=0A=20=0A= =0AFrom:=20frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.f= rers33.com]=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20David=20Nauber=0ASent:=20Tuesday,=20August=2026= ,=202014=2010:07=20AM=0ATo:=20frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASubject:=20Re:=20[f= rers-list]adjusting=20to=20a=20cruiser=20...=0A=0A=20=0A=0AOne=20more=20thing...= =0A=0A=20=0A=0AUpwind,=20I=20always=20drive=20from=20forward=20of=20the=20wheel.= =20If=20necessary=20when=20heeled,=20I=20put=20a=20foot=20on=20the=20pedestal=20= to=20keep=20myself=20in=20position.=20I=20drive=20better=20downwind=20if=20I'm=20= standing=20somewhere=20behind=20the=20wheel.=20I=20just=20see=20and=20feel=20eve= rything=20better=20from=20there.=0A=0A=20=0A=0ADN=0A=0A=20=0A=0A=0A=0AOn=20,=20D= avid=20Nauber=20 =20wrote:=0A=0A=20=0A=0A=0A=0AHi=20Mike,=0A=0A= =20=0A=0AThe=20traveler=20is=20where=20it=20is=20because=20the=20boat=20was=20av= ailable=20with=20either=20a=20tiller=20or=20a=20wheel.=20When=20fitted=20with=20= a=20tiller,=20there=20isn't=20enough=20room=20in=20the=20cockpit=20to=20put=20th= e=20traveler=20behind=20the=20jib=20trimmers.=20It=20is=20a=20big=20tiller,=20so= =20it=20takes=20up=20all=20the=20room=20there=20is=20behind=20the=20jib=20trimme= rs.=20There=20just=20isn't=20room=20for=20a=20main=20trimmer=20to=20fit=20there.= =20I=20used=20to=20have=20a=20smaller=20boat=20(Wavelength=2024)=20with=20the=20= traveler=20just=20forward=20of=20the=20helm=20and=20it=20was=20designed=20so=20t= he=20helmsman=20trimmed=20main=20while=20racing,=20like=20an=20Etchells=20or=20m= any=20other=20small=20boats.=20In=20a=20racing=20situation,=20you=20would=20not=20= want=20to=20trim=20main=20and=20drive=20on=20the=20Frers=20anyway.=20Unless=20yo= u're=20single-handing,=20I=20don't=20see=20a=20problem=20with=20its=20location=20= and=20even=20then,=20you=20can=20at=20least=20rig=20the=20traveler=20to=20be=20a= ccessible=20from=20the=20helm=20as=20Scott=20Marino=20has=20done=20on=20Risoluto= .=20=0A=0A=20=0A=0AI'm=20not=20sure=20how=20you're=20boat=20is=20rigged=20but=20= on=20Wolverine=20and=20all=20the=20other=20Frers=20I've=20seen=20the=20car=20adj= uster=20is=20indeed=20forward=20of=20the=20jib=20trimmer.=20Ours=20runs=20to=20a= =20cam=20cleat=20on=20the=20side=20of=20the=20cabin=20top=20below=20where=20the=20= pole=20downhaul/foreguy=20is=20cleated.=20From=20there=20you=20can=20look=20at=20= the=20sail=20while=20adjusting=20the=20car,=20just=20as=20you=20would=20expect.=0A= =0A=20=0A=0AI=20know=20what=20you're=20saying=20about=20motoring=20a=20lot.=20Wh= en=20on=20vacation,=20we=20usually=20leave=20early=20in=20the=20AM=20before=20th= ere's=20enough=20breeze=20to=20justify=20hoisting=20sails,=20so=20we=20motor=20a= lmost=20everywhere.=20=0A=0A=20=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0A=20=0A=0ADave=0A=0A=20=0A=0A=0A= =0AOn=20Tuesday,=20August=2026,=202014=208:44=20AM,=20"Hoyt,=20Mike"=20 =20wrote:=0A=0A=20=0A=0A=0A=0AHave=20now=20had=20Persistence=20fo= r=202=20months.=20=20Still=20feel=20like=20we=20have=20not=20sailed=20it.=0A=0A=20= =0A=0AWe=20are=20coming=20from=20a=20series=20of=20smaller=20tiller=20driven=20b= oats=20with=20fractional=20main=20driven=20rigs=20culminating=20with=20a=20J27.=0A= =0A=20=0A=0APerhaps=20it=20is=20that=20I=20am=20very=20distracted=20by=20the=20W= innebago=20aspects=20of=20the=20boat.=20=20Loving=20having=20an=20interior=20and= =20a=20separate=20head=20and=20especially=20loving=20the=203GM30=20diesel.=20=20= However=20even=20after=20a=20400=20NM=20delivery=20and=20numerous=20day=20trips=20= I=20am=20finding=20we=20have=20not=20sailed=20the=20boat=20and=20I=20find=20some= =20things=20about=20the=20way=20it=20is=20rigged=20quite=20confusing=20and=20awk= ard.=0A=0A=20=0A=0AOn=20the=20J27=20and=20even=20on=20C&C99=20and=20C&C=20115=20= the=20traveler=20is=20at=20aft=20of=20cockpit=20just=20forward=20of=20wheel=20(o= n=20wheel=20boats)=20and=20easily=20accessed=20by=20driver=20on=20the=20tiller=20= boats.=20=20Backstay,=20traveler,=20sheet=20all=20at=20this=20location.=20=20On=20= the=20Frers=20the=20traveler=20is=20forward=20of=20the=20jib=20trimmer=20positio= n=20which=20just=20seems=20odd.=20=20I=20am=20confused=20why=20anyone=20would=20= put=20it=20there.=20=20My=20best=20guess=20is=20that=20when=20sailing=20with=20a= =20crew=20the=20main=20trimmer=20is=20on=20high=20side=20and=20the=20jib=20trimm= er=20sets=20the=20jib=20on=20low=20side=20and=20then=20gets=20up=20on=20the=20ra= il,=20=20Is=20this=20correct?=0A=0A=20=0A=0AThe=20jib=20controls=20are=20a=20bit= =20different=20as=20well.=20=20On=20the=20J27=20the=20genoa=20car=20adjusters=20= are=20forward=20of=20the=20primaries=20so=20that=20the=20trimmer=20can=20look=20= at=20the=20genoa=20while=20adjusting=20the=20cars.=20=20The=20controls=20are=20p= ositioned=20exactly=20where=20the=20pole=20down=20cam=20cleats=20are=20on=20the=20= Frers.=20=20I=20am=20tempted=20to=20set=20up=20using=20these=20cam=20cleats=20sa= me=20as=20J27=20as=20it=20works=20better=20and=20route=20the=20pole=20downhaul=20= to=20a=20cabintop=20clutch=20beside=20the=20pole=20uphaul.=0A=0A=20=0A=0AI=20am=20= 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=0AFrom:=20Hoyt,=20Mike=20<M= ike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
=0ATo:=20frers-list=20<frers-list@lists.frers33.= com>
=0ASent:=20Tue,=20Aug=2026,=202014=209:34=20am
=0ASubject:=20RE:=20= [frers-list]adjusting=20to=20a=20cruiser=20...
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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A==0A=0A=0AThanks=20Dave=0A=0A=0A=0A Interesting=20a= bout=20the=20car=20adjuster=20position. =20On=20Persistence=20the=20primari= es=20were=20moved=20to=20cabin=20top=20and=20#43=20electric=20winches=20installe= d=20aft=20end=20of=20winch=20pad=20for=20single=20handing/cruising. =20We=20= have=20since=20purchased=20Lewmar=2030ST=20for=20cabin=20top=20and=20are=20movin= g=20the=20#43=20from=20cabin=20top=20back=20to=20forward=20end=20of=20winch=20pa= d. =20The=20car=20adjusters=20are=20back=20at=20end=20of=20winch=20pad=20by= =20the=20electric=20winches. =20Note=20that=20C&C99=20has=20them=20ther= e=20as=20well=20and=20I=20find=20it=20a=20dumb=20place=20for=20them=20while=20ra= cing=20=E2=80=A6=20and=20awkward=0A=0A=0A=0AMy=20normal=20= position=20when=20racing=20is=20on=20main=20=E2=80=93=20mostly=20on=20a=20C&= C=20115=20and=20also=20on=20our=20J27. =20When=20short=20on=20crew=20on=20J= 27=20or=20just=20sailing=20would=20often=20do=20helm=20and=20main. =20Will=20= seem=20different=20to=20move=20further=20forward=20but=20is=20a=20small=20cockpi= t=20so=20expect=20will=20not=20really=20be=20an=20issue=20=E2=80=93=20except=20w= hen=20bumping=20into=20jib=20trimmers=20ocassionally.=0A=0A==0A=0AIs=20a=20very=20different=20boat =20than=20the=2027. =20Seems=20= to=20be=20a=20lot=20more=20jib=20driven=20with=20much=20larger=20loads=20on=20ji= b=20sheets=20etc=20=E2=80=A6=20 Looking=20fwd=20to=20actually=20racin= g=20it=20a=20bit. =20Love=20the=20fact=20that=20we=20can=20also=20stay=20ab= oard=20when=20not=20racing=0A=0A=0A=0AMike=0A= =0A&n= bsp;=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A<= div=20class=3D"MsoNormal">=0A=0A= From:=20frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20<= b>On=20Behalf=20Of=20David=20Nauber=0A
=0ASent:=20Tuesday,=20August=20= 26,=202014=2010:07=20AM
=0ATo:=20frers-list@lists.frers33.com
=0ASubject:=20Re:=20[fre= rs-list]adjusting=20to=20a=20cruiser=20...=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOne=20more=20thing...=0A=0A=0A=0A= div>=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AUpwind,=20I=20always=20drive=20from=20forward=20of=20the=20wheel.=20= If=20necessary=20when=20heeled,=20I=20put=20a=20foot=20on=20the=20pedestal=20to=20= keep=20myself=20in=20position.=20I=20drive=20better=20downwind=20if=20I'm=20stan= ding=20somewhere=20behind=20the=20wheel.=20I=20just=20see=20and=20feel=20everyth= ing=20better=20from=20there.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A==0A=0A=0ADN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A==0A=0AOn=20,=20David=20Nauber=20<dnauber@yahoo.com>=20wrote:=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi=20Mike,=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThe=20traveler=20is=20where=20it=20is=20because=20the=20boat=20was=20= available=20with=20either=20a=20tiller=20or=20a=20wheel.=20When=20fitted=20with=20= a=20tiller,=20there=20isn't=20enough=20room=20in=20the=20cockpit=20to=20put=20th= e=20traveler=20behind=20the=20jib=20trimmers.=20It=20is=20a=20big=20tiller,=20so= =20it=20takes=20up=20all=20the=20room=20there=20is=20behind=20the=20jib=20trimme= rs.=20There=20just=20isn't=20room=20for=20a=20main=20trimmer=20to=20fit=20there.= =20I=20used=20to=20have=20a=20smaller=20boat=20(Wavelength=2024)=20with=20the=20= traveler=20just=20forward=20of=20the=20helm=20and=20it=20was=20designed=20so=20t= he=20helmsman=20trimmed=20main=20while=20racing,=20like=20an=20Etchells=20or=20m= any=20other=20small=20boats.=20In=20a=20racing=20situation,=20you=20would=20not=20= want=20to=20trim=20main=20and=20drive=20on=20the=20Frers=20anyway.=20Unless=20yo= u're=20single-handing,=20I=20don't=20see=20a=20problem=20with=20its=20location=20= and=20even=20then,=20you=20can=20at=20least=20rig=20the=20traveler=20to=20be=20a= ccessible=20from=20the=20helm=20as=20Scott=20Marino=20has=20done=20on=20Risoluto= .=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A==0A= =0AI'm=20= not=20sure=20how=20you're=20boat=20is=20rigged=20but=20on=20Wolverine=20and=20al= l=20the=20other=20Frers=20I've=20seen=20the=20car=20adjuster=20is=20indeed=20for= ward=20of=20the=20jib=20trimmer.=20Ours=20runs=20to=20a=20cam=20cleat=20on=20the= =20side=20of=20the=20cabin=20top=20below=20where=20the=20pole=20downhaul/foreguy= =20is=20cleated.=20From=20there=20you=20can=20look=20at=20the=20sail=20while=20a= djusting=20the=20car,=20just=20as=20you=20would=20expect.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0AI=20know=20what=20you're=20saying=20a= bout=20motoring=20a=20lot.=20When=20on=20vacation,=20we=20usually=20leave=20earl= y=20in=20the=20AM=20before=20there's=20enough=20breeze=20to=20justify=20hoisting= =20sails,=20so=20we=20motor=20almost=20everywhere.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A<= div>=0ARegards,=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ADave=0A=0A<= div=20class=3D"MsoNormal"=20style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn=20Tuesday,=20August=2026,=202014=208:44=20AM,=20"Hoyt,=20Mike"=20= <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>=20= wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHave=20now=20had=20Persisten= ce=20for=202=20months. =20Still=20feel=20like=20we=20have=20not=20sailed=20= it.=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0AWe=20are=20coming=20from=20a=20serie= s=20of=20smaller=20tiller=20driven=20boats=20with=20fractional=20main=20driven=20= rigs=20culminating=20with=20a=20J27. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0APe= rhaps=20it=20is=20that=20I=20am=20very=20distracted=20by=20the=20Winnebago=20asp= ects=20of=20the=20boat. =20Loving=20having=20an=20interior=20and=20a=20sepa= rate=20head=20and=20especially=20loving=20the=203GM30=20diesel. =20However=20= even=20after=20a=20400=20NM=20delivery=20and=20numerous=20day=20trips=20I=20am=20= finding=20we=20have=20not=20sailed=20the=20boat=20and=20I=20find=20some=20things= =20about=20the=20way=20it=20is=20rigged=20quite=20confusing=20and=20awkard.=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn=20the=20J27=20and=20even=20on=20C&C99=20= and=20C&C=20115=20the=20traveler=20is=20at=20aft=20of=20cockpit=20just=20for= ward=20of=20wheel=20(on=20wheel=20boats)=20and=20easily=20accessed=20by=20driver= =20on=20the=20tiller=20boats. =20Backstay,=20traveler,=20sheet=20all=20at=20= this=20location. =20On=20the=20Frers=20the=20traveler=20is=20forward=20of=20= the=20jib=20trimmer=20position=20which=20just=20seems=20odd. =20I=20am=20co= nfused=20why=20anyone=20would=20put=20it=20there. =20My=20best=20guess=20is= =20that=20when=20sailing=20with=20a=20crew=20the=20main=20trimmer=20is=20on=20hi= gh=20side=20and=20the=20jib=20trimmer=20sets=20the=20jib=20on=20low=20side=20and= =20then=20gets=20up=20on=20the=20rail, =20Is=20this=20correct?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0AThe=20jib=20controls=20are=20a=20bit=20different=20as= =20well. =20On=20the=20J27=20the=20genoa=20car=20adjusters=20are=20forward=20= of=20the=20primaries=20so=20that=20the=20trimmer=20can=20look=20at=20the=20genoa= =20while=20adjusting=20the=20cars. =20The=20controls=20are=20positioned=20e= xactly=20where=20the=20pole=20down=20cam=20cleats=20are=20on=20the=20Frers. = ;=20I=20am=20tempted=20to=20set=20up=20using=20these=20cam=20cleats=20same=20as=20= J27=20as=20it=20works=20better=20and=20route=20the=20pole=20downhaul=20to=20a=20= cabintop=20clutch=20beside=20the=20pole=20uphaul.=0A=0A=0A=0A==0A=0A=0A=0AI=20am=20thinking=20the=20adjustments=20we=20are=20having=20are=20a=20b= it=20awkward=20because=20we=20are=20spending=20some=20time=20cruising=20and/or=20= have=20guests=20aboard=20too=20frequently=20to=20allow=20us=20to=20really=20sail= =20the=20boat. =20On=20top=20of=20that=20I=20am=20very=20infatuated=20with=20= a=20large=20diesel=20and=20wheel=20so=20tempted=20to=20motor=20more=20often=20th= an=20in=20past. =20Hopefully=20with=20the=20cooler=20Fall=20weather=20the=20= tourists=20are=20less=20interested=20and=20the=20sailors=20will=20come=20out=20a= nd=20we=20will=20actually=20sail=20and=20race=20the=20boat=0A=0A=0A=0A = ;=0A=0A=0A=0ASorry=20for=20the=20rambling=20email. =20Almost=20feel=20l= ike=20I=20need=20to=20sit=20forward=20of=20the=20wheel=20to=20drive=20so=20that=20= can=20access=20the=20sail=20controls. =20=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A<= div>=0ALater=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMike=0A=0A=0A=0A = ;=0A=0A=0APersistence=0A===0A==0A