Re: [frers-list]tweakers or guys?

Mine are mailed. Who else is in?

Art

<= br>On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Marc Doheny <Mdoheny@Currentcomposites.com> wrote:

Branford YC NOR and Entry Form now posted= at:
www.branfordyc.org<= /a>

Pine Orchard not there yet.

Mailings went out today.

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">
=
Best regards,

Marc Dohen= y
= Sales Manager =E2=80=93 Silent Running
<= span style=3D"color:blue">www.silentcoating.com=
203-469-1337=

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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com= ] On Behalf Of Ted Dombroski
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:= 35 PM
To: frers-li= st@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & P= ine Orchard
&nb= sp;
I tried the BYC site this morning and the only notice= is for 2013.
=
Ted
&n= bsp;
Ted Dombroski, Architect
DOMBROSKI A= RCHITECTS, llc.
71 Whitfield Street Suite C
Guilford, CT. 06437
T 2= 03-453-8606
C 203-589-9674

On Monday, June 30,= 2014 2:29 PM, Arthur Kelley <ak= elley@optonline.net> wrote:

I have not yet received any entry= materials or even NOR from either club. Seems to happen every year. Are the= y trying to tell me something? :-)

Can someone please forward me the m= aterials? The date is getting close!

Thanks,
Art
________= _______________________________________
frers-list mailing list
frers-list@lists.frers33.comhttp://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list

= --Apple-Mail-139E63B4-1810-4480-9B26-B02FF2C49B56-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Jul 2 11:55:50 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Robert Connell) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 06:55:50 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard In-Reply-To: References: <14A0B35D-6F83-4B17-84A4-D01B1CB06F18@optonline.net> <1404153327.73809.YahooMailNeo@web181205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <00bf01cf9567$3fad0ef0$bf072cd0$@Currentcomposites.com> Message-ID: <7E1A9D11-D81A-4CBC-BB71-6439FE416915@yahoo.com> --Apple-Mail-A01BBAD0-A3E3-4110-B7F2-228671250FF3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Black Hawk is in Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Arthur Kelley wrote: > Mine are mailed. Who else is in? >=20 > Art >=20 > On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Marc Doheny wr= ote: >=20 >> Branford YC NOR and Entry Form now posted at: >> www.branfordyc.org >> =20 >> Pine Orchard not there yet. >> =20 >> Mailings went out today. >> =20 >> =20 >> Best regards, >> =20 >> Marc Doheny >> Sales Manager =E2=80=93 Silent Running >> www.silentcoating.com >> 203-469-1337 >> =20 >> >> =20 >> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.f= rers33.com] On Behalf Of Ted Dombroski >> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:35 PM >> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard >> =20 >> I tried the BYC site this morning and the only notice is for 2013.=20 >> =20 >> Ted >> =20 >> Ted Dombroski, Architect >> DOMBROSKI ARCHITECTS, llc. >> 71 Whitfield Street Suite C >> Guilford, CT. 06437 >> T 203-453-8606 >> C 203-589-9674 >> =20 >>=20 >> On Monday, June 30, 2014 2:29 PM, Arthur Kelley w= rote: >> =20 >>=20 >> I have not yet received any entry materials or even NOR from either club.= Seems to happen every year. Are they trying to tell me something? :-) >>=20 >> Can someone please forward me the materials? The date is getting close! >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Art >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>=20 --Apple-Mail-A01BBAD0-A3E3-4110-B7F2-228671250FF3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Black Hawk is in

Sent from my i= Phone

On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net> wrote:

<= /div>

Mine are mailed. Who else is in?
Art

On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Marc Doheny <Mdoheny@Currentcomposites.com> w= rote:

Branford YC NOR and Entry Form now posted= at:
www.branfordyc.org<= /a>

Pine Orchard not there yet.

Mailings went out today.

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">
=
Best regards,

Marc Dohen= y
= Sales Manager =E2=80=93 Silent Running
<= span style=3D"color:blue">www.silentcoating.com=
203-469-1337=

<image001.jp= g>

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com= ] On Behalf Of Ted Dombroski
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:= 35 PM
To: frers-li= st@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & P= ine Orchard
&nb= sp;
I tried the BYC site this morning and the only notice= is for 2013.
=
Ted
&n= bsp;
Ted Dombroski, Architect
DOMBROSKI A= RCHITECTS, llc.
71 Whitfield Street Suite C
Guilford, CT. 06437
T 2= 03-453-8606
C 203-589-9674

On Monday, June 30,= 2014 2:29 PM, Arthur Kelley <ak= elley@optonline.net> wrote:

I have not yet received any entry= materials or even NOR from either club. Seems to happen every year. Are the= y trying to tell me something? :-)

Can someone please forward me the m= aterials? The date is getting close!

Thanks,
Art
________= _______________________________________
frers-list mailing list
frers-list@lists.frers33.comhttp://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list

= --Apple-Mail-A01BBAD0-A3E3-4110-B7F2-228671250FF3-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Jul 2 11:58:41 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 06:58:41 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard In-Reply-To: <7E1A9D11-D81A-4CBC-BB71-6439FE416915@yahoo.com> References: <14A0B35D-6F83-4B17-84A4-D01B1CB06F18@optonline.net> <1404153327.73809.YahooMailNeo@web181205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <00bf01cf9567$3fad0ef0$bf072cd0$@Currentcomposites.com> <7E1A9D11-D81A-4CBC-BB71-6439FE416915@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6dcc2b14-9f12-4a8c-8bc4-ac0bfdbd2160@classeaudio.com> --=-HxhXYGPm/W2n/8Cdw8GX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wolverine was mailed yesterday. =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Robert Connell Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard =20 Black Hawk is in Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Arthur Kelley wrote: Mine are mailed. Who else is in? Art On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Marc Doheny wro= te: Branford YC NOR and Entry Form now posted at: www.branfordyc.org =20 Pine Orchard not there yet. =20 Mailings went out today. =20 =20 Best regards, =20 Marc Doheny Sales Manager =E2=80=93 Silent Running www.silentcoating.com 203-469-1337 =20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ted Dombroski Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:35 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard =20 I tried the BYC site this morning and the only notice is for 2013. =20 =20 Ted =20 Ted Dombroski, Architect DOMBROSKI ARCHITECTS, llc. 71 Whitfield Street Suite C Guilford, CT. 06437 T 203-453-8606 C 203-589-9674 =20 On Monday, June 30, 2014 2:29 PM, Arthur Kelley wro= te: =20 I have not yet received any entry materials or even NOR from either club. S= eems to happen every year. Are they trying to tell me something? :-) Can someone please forward me the materials? The date is getting close! Thanks, Art _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list= --=-HxhXYGPm/W2n/8Cdw8GX Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wolverine= was mailed yesterday.

Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowers= wilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins<= br>
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From: frers-list-admin@list= s.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of <= /b>Robert Connell
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM
To= : frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branf= ord & Pine Orchard

Black Hawk is in

Se= nt from my iPhone

On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net> wrote:

Mine are mailed. Who else is in?

Ar= t

On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Marc Doheny <Mdoheny@Currentcomposites.com> wrote:=
=
Branford YC NOR and Entry Form now posted = at:
www.branfordyc.org

Pine Orchard not there yet.

Mailings went out = today.

Best regards,
&nb= sp;
Marc Doheny<= /b>
Sales Manager =E2=80=93 Silen= t Running
www.silentcoating.com
203-469-1337

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&nb= sp;
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.= com [mailto:frers= -list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Ted Dombroski
= Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:35 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject:<= /b> Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard
=

I tried the BYC site this morning and= the only notice is for 2013.

Ted

Ted Dombroski, ArchitectDOMBROSKI ARCHITECTS, llc.
71 Whitfield Street Suite C
Guilford, CT= . 06437
T 203-453-8606
C 203-589-9674

On Monday, June 30, 2014 2:29 PM, Arthur Ke= lley <akelley@optonline.net= > wrote:

I have not yet received any entry m= aterials or even NOR from either club. Seems to happen every year. Are they= trying to tell me something? :-)

Can someone please forward me the = materials? The date is getting close!

Thanks,
Art
______= _________________________________________
frers-list mailing list
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list
<= br>

= --=-HxhXYGPm/W2n/8Cdw8GX-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 3 13:48:01 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 08:48:01 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Branford & Pine Orchard In-Reply-To: <20140703050210.6772C61AC7@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20140703050210.6772C61AC7@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-2-882719098 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Pachyderm is in. I printed our entries from Marc's attachments , but I = also got the forms in the mail yesterday - they came together from the = BYC. Looking forward to some great competition! My preliminary count is 8 = Frers on the line. Edgar Smith Geomatrix Productions, Inc. 270 Amity Road, Suite 222 New Haven, CT 06525 www.geomatrixproductions.com 203-215-5405 (iPhone) 203-389-0001 (Work) 203-387-8558 (Fax) On Jul 3, 2014, at 1:02 AM, frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com wrote: > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to > frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. Re: Branford & Pine Orchard (Robert Connell) > 2. RE: Branford & Pine Orchard (Dave Nauber) >=20 > From: Robert Connell > Date: July 2, 2014 6:55:50 AM EDT > To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 >=20 > Black Hawk is in >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Arthur Kelley = wrote: >=20 >> Mine are mailed. Who else is in? >>=20 >> Art >>=20 >> On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Marc Doheny = wrote: >>=20 >>> Branford YC NOR and Entry Form now posted at: >>> www.branfordyc.org >>> =20 >>> Pine Orchard not there yet. >>> =20 >>> Mailings went out today. >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Best regards, >>> =20 >>> Marc Doheny >>> Sales Manager =96 Silent Running >>> www.silentcoating.com >>> 203-469-1337 >>> =20 >>> >>> =20 >>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Ted Dombroski >>> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:35 PM >>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard >>> =20 >>> I tried the BYC site this morning and the only notice is for 2013.=20= >>> =20 >>> Ted >>> =20 >>> Ted Dombroski, Architect >>> DOMBROSKI ARCHITECTS, llc. >>> 71 Whitfield Street Suite C >>> Guilford, CT. 06437 >>> T 203-453-8606 >>> C 203-589-9674 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> On Monday, June 30, 2014 2:29 PM, Arthur Kelley = wrote: >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> I have not yet received any entry materials or even NOR from either = club. Seems to happen every year. Are they trying to tell me something? = :-) >>>=20 >>> Can someone please forward me the materials? The date is getting = close! >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Art >>> _______________________________________________ >>> frers-list mailing list >>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Dave Nauber > Date: July 2, 2014 6:58:41 AM EDT > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Cc: 'Marc Doheny' > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 >=20 > Wolverine was mailed yesterday. > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=E9 >=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd. >=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Robert Connell > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard > =20 > Black Hawk is in >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Arthur Kelley = wrote: >=20 > Mine are mailed. Who else is in? >=20 > Art >=20 > On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Marc Doheny = wrote: >=20 > Branford YC NOR and Entry Form now posted at: > www.branfordyc.org > =20 > Pine Orchard not there yet. > =20 > Mailings went out today. > =20 > =20 > Best regards, > =20 > Marc Doheny > Sales Manager =96 Silent Running > www.silentcoating.com > 203-469-1337 > =20 > > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Ted Dombroski > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:35 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine Orchard > =20 > I tried the BYC site this morning and the only notice is for 2013.=20 > =20 > Ted > =20 > Ted Dombroski, Architect > DOMBROSKI ARCHITECTS, llc. > 71 Whitfield Street Suite C > Guilford, CT. 06437 > T 203-453-8606 > C 203-589-9674 > =20 >=20 > On Monday, June 30, 2014 2:29 PM, Arthur Kelley = wrote: > =20 >=20 > I have not yet received any entry materials or even NOR from either = club. Seems to happen every year. Are they trying to tell me something? = :-) >=20 > Can someone please forward me the materials? The date is getting = close! >=20 > Thanks, > Art > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 --Apple-Mail-2-882719098 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Edgar Smith
Geomatrix Productions, = Inc.
270 Amity Road, Suite 222
New Haven, CT = 06525
www.geomatrixproductions.com<= /a>
203-215-5405 = (iPhone)
203-389-0001 (Work)
203-387-8558 = (Fax)

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1. Re: = Branford & Pine Orchard (Robert Connell)
2. RE: = Branford & Pine Orchard (Dave Nauber)

From: Robert Connell = <conn2523@yahoo.com>
Date: July 2, 2014 6:55:50 AM EDT
To: = "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" = <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: = Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine = Orchard
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com

Black Hawk is in

Sent = from my iPhone

On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Arthur Kelley = <akelley@optonline.net>= wrote:

Mine are mailed. Who else is = in?

Art

On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Marc Doheny = <Mdoheny@Currentcomposites.co= m> wrote:

Branford YC NOR and Entry Form now posted = at:
www.branfordyc.org

Pine Orchard not there yet.

Mailings went out today.

Best regards,

Marc Doheny
Sales Manager =96 Silent = Running
www.silentcoating.com
203-469-1337

<image001.jpg>

From: frers-list-admin@lists.= frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin= @lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Ted = Dombroski
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:35 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= /a>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine = Orchard

I tried the BYC site this morning and the only = notice is for 2013.

Ted

Ted Dombroski, Architect
DOMBROSKI ARCHITECTS, = llc.
71 Whitfield Street Suite C
Guilford, CT. 06437
T = 203-453-8606
C 203-589-9674

On Monday, June 30, 2014 2:29 PM, Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net> = wrote:

I have not yet received any entry materials or even NOR from either = club. Seems to happen every year. Are they trying to tell me something? = :-)

Can someone please forward me the materials? The date = is getting = close!

Thanks,
Art
__________________________________________= _____
frers-list mailing list
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= /a>
http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=

From: Dave Nauber = <dnauber@classeaudio.com>
Date: July 2, 2014 6:58:41 AM EDT
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: = 'Marc Doheny' = <mdoheny@currentcomposites.com>
Subject: = RE: [frers-list]Branford & Pine = Orchard
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com

Wolverine was mailed = yesterday.

David Nauber
President
Class=E9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group = Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: = facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | = youtube.com/bowerswilkins

This email message is confidential and for use = by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part = in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) = is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd = does not accept responsibility for any changes made to this message = after it was sent. The views expressed in this document are that of the = individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement = or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Robert = Connell
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford = & Pine Orchard

Black= Hawk is in

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 1, 2014, = at 5:31 PM, Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net> = wrote:
Mine are mailed. Who else is = in?

Art

On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Marc = Doheny <Mdoheny@Currentcomposites.co= m> wrote:
Branford YC NOR and Entry Form now posted = at:
www.branfordyc.org

Pine Orchard not there yet.

Mailings went out today.

Best regards,

Marc Doheny
Sales Manager =96 Silent = Running
www.silentcoating.com
203-469-1337

<image001.jpg>

From: frers-list-admin@lists.= frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin= @lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Ted = Dombroski
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:35 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= /a>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Branford & Pine = Orchard

I tried the BYC site this morning and the only = notice is for 2013.

Ted

Ted Dombroski, Architect
DOMBROSKI ARCHITECTS, = llc.
71 Whitfield Street Suite C
Guilford, CT. 06437
T = 203-453-8606
C 203-589-9674

On Monday, June 30, 2014 2:29 PM, Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net> = wrote:

I have not yet received any entry materials or even NOR from either = club. Seems to happen every year. Are they trying to tell me something? = :-)

Can someone please forward me the materials? The date = is getting = close!

Thanks,
Art
__________________________________________= _____
frers-list mailing list
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= /a>
http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=

Great boat Mike. Enjoy it.

Follow Bowers = & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins |= youtube.com/bowerswilkins

This email message is confident= ial and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole= or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and we= b-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Grou= p Ltd does not accept responsibility for any changes made to this message a= fter it was sent. The views expressed in this document are that of the indi= vidual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recom= mendation by B&W Group Ltd.

=
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [= mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, MikeSent: Monday, July 14, 2014 3:38 PM
To: frers-list@lists= .frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Inventory questions

Thanks Dave

I was handicapping= chair for our region for a number of years and we changed from 153 to 155 = because so many boats were coming from other areas and we were penalizing n= ew owners for old sails.

You have basically confirmed my initial impressio= n. Yesterday was first day I tried out one of the older #1 headsails = for the boat and it did seem to have a lot of power. Had pretty much = decided on a flatter smallish #1 (around 140%) and am glad to see that is t= he norm. We have no #2 that I am aware of so may have to pull the tri= gger and buy a new sail

The really good news is that Rob had just replaced= the main and 100% jib over the last two years so there are not many new sa= ils required. Persistence was treated very well by Rob and came very = well equipped and taken care of
<= span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>
Mike

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] = On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 4:23 PM<= br>To: frers-list@li= sts.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Inventory questions<= o:p>

Hi Mike,

<= /span>

Yes, you shoul= d check out the tuning guide which contains lots of details about what peop= le choose for sail inventory and rigging options with rationale included. T= he short answer for us is we have a 0.5oz and a 0.74oz chute, a 155% Light/= Medium #1, a 145% #2 and a 100% #3, all North 3DL. The #2 is like a small H= eavy #1 so it works well in the 13-16kt true range. You’d have to che= ck whether there is a penalty in your area for the 155%, so sometimes you w= ould need to go 153% or 150% depending on your local handicap regulations.<= o:p>

Regards,

Dave

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From: frers-lis= t-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 2:46 PM
To: <= a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Inventory questions

Suggested inventory an= d rigging contained in the tuning guide available on the Frers 33 website.<= o:p>

From: frers-= list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of= Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 3:42 PM
To:= frers-list@lists.frers33.c= om
Subject: [frers-list]Inventory questions

Hi<= o:p>

I am new to list having just purchased Persistence from Rob deConto. = ; Persistence is now living in Halifax, Nova Scotia near her sister Equinox= owned by Rod Stright

<= /p>

Am currently assessing the inventory and rigging of= the boat. What is the typical inventory carried on a Frers 33?<= /o:p>

Tha= nks

Mike

= --=-oiDhnfemEJOHz0hCYk2V-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Jul 14 20:46:56 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:46:56 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Inventory questions In-Reply-To: References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419872569@hfxexc02.impgroup.com><005701cf9f93$cf5951e0$6e0bf5a0$@eastlink.ca> <57be22a0-cd0b-4ad6-8870-2682ec6a37b8@classeaudio.com> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D54198725A4@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <20140714194656.6680725.89778.35991@impgroup.com>
Very nice to ha= ve a racy boat with a cruiser side. Am coming from a j/27

Mike
= =

= =
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartpho= ne on the Rogers network.
= =

=

Great boat Mike. Enjoy it.
&nb= sp;
David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fr= an=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-a= dmin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Mond= ay, July 14, 2014 3:38 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
= Subject: RE: [frers-list]Inventory questions

<= span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks Dave

I was handicapping chair for = our region for a number of years and we changed from 153 to 155 because so = many boats were coming from other areas and we were penalizing new owners f= or old sails.

You have basically confirmed my initial impression. = ; Yesterday was first day I tried out one of the older #1 headsails for the= boat and it did seem to have a lot of power. Had pretty much decided= on a flatter smallish #1 (around 140%) and am glad to see that is the norm= . We have no #2 that I am aware of so may have to pull the trigger an= d buy a new sail

The really good news is that Rob had just replaced th= e main and 100% jib over the last two years so there are not many new sails= required. Persistence was treated very well by Rob and came very wel= l equipped and taken care of

Mike

From: frers-list-admin@lists.f= rers33.com [mailt= o:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave NauberSent: Monday, July 14, 2014 4:23 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subj= ect: RE: [frers-list]Inventory questions

Hi Mike,

Yes, you should check out the tuning= guide which contains lots of details about what people choose for sail inv= entory and rigging options with rationale included. The short answer for us= is we have a 0.5oz and a 0.74oz chute, a 155% Light/Medium #1, a 145% #2 a= nd a 100% #3, all North 3DL. The #2 is like a small Heavy #1 so it works we= ll in the 13-16kt true range. You=E2=80=99d have to check whether there is = a penalty in your area for the 155%, so sometimes you would need to go 153%= or 150% depending on your local handicap regulations.

Regards,
&n= bsp;
D= ave

David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canad= a | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
Follow Bowers & Wilkins on:= facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowe= rswilkins

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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]= On Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 2:46= PM
To: frers-lis= t@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Inventory questi= ons

Suggested inventory and rigging contained in the tuning guide available on= the Frers 33 website.

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers= 33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Monday, July 14,= 2014 3:42 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Inventory = questions

Hi
&n= bsp;
I am new to list having just purchased= Persistence from Rob deConto. Persistence is now living in Halifax, = Nova Scotia near her sister Equinox owned by Rod Stright

Am currently= assessing the inventory and rigging of the boat. What is the typical= inventory carried on a Frers 33?

Thanks

Mike

From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Jul 14 21:57:59 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:57:59 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Frers 33 One Design Regatta Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-13--284966466 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Rod Short answer, Wolverine schooled us all again. Longer answer, it was a great weekend! Good competition for everybody. = We got off four races in drifter to blustery conditions. Looking forward = to next year already.=20 Congrats to Dave and Kathy for a great performance, and Bob and crew who = got us 4 out of 4. Edgar Smith Pachyderm= --Apple-Mail-13--284966466 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = Rod

Short answer, Wolverine schooled us all = again.

Longer answer, it was a great weekend! = Good competition for everybody. We got off four races in drifter to = blustery conditions. Looking forward to next year = already.

Congrats to Dave and Kathy for a = great performance, and Bob and crew who got us 4 out of = 4.

Edgar = Smith
Pachyderm
= --Apple-Mail-13--284966466-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Jul 15 01:16:00 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bob Connell) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 20:16:00 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Frers 33 One Design Regatta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72E381EC-1C8A-4A67-A2A0-072DCC6728A4@yahoo.com> --Apple-Mail-E9C7C8E7-1663-4E09-AD91-EDA6E990E9D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, welcome to the class the 33 is a great boat all around racing and crui= sing. We just had a great regatta this past weekend, Dave obviously is clic= k faster than the rest of us but after 20 years I the boat he and his crew h= ave figured out how to make it go fast forward. It is a tribute to the boat t= hat they have had it so long. All the rest of us need to do is find that ext= ra tenth or two that they have. I sail against Dave at our home club and you= try to find ways to catch him , so as a weekly sparring partner it has help= ed us improve our speed. =20 Thanks Dave and Kathy Sent from my iPad > On Jul 14, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Edgar Smith w= rote: >=20 > Hi Rod >=20 > Short answer, Wolverine schooled us all again. >=20 > Longer answer, it was a great weekend! Good competition for everybody. We g= ot off four races in drifter to blustery conditions. Looking forward to next= year already.=20 >=20 > Congrats to Dave and Kathy for a great performance, and Bob and crew who g= ot us 4 out of 4. >=20 >=20 > Edgar Smith > Pachyderm --Apple-Mail-E9C7C8E7-1663-4E09-AD91-EDA6E990E9D2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike, welcome to the class the 33 is a= great boat all around racing and cruising. We just had a great regatta this= past weekend, Dave obviously is click faster than the rest of us but a= fter 20 years I the boat he and his crew have figured out how to make i= t go fast forward. It is a tribute to the boat that they have had it so long= . All the rest of us need to do is find that extra tenth or two that they ha= ve. I sail against Dave at our home club and you try to find ways to catch h= im , so as a weekly sparring partner it has helped us improve our speed. &nb= sp;

Thanks Dave and Kathy

Sent from my= iPad

On Jul 14, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>= ; wrote:

Hi Rod

Short answer, Wolverine schooled us all again.

L= onger answer, it was a great weekend! Good competition for everybody. We got= off four races in drifter to blustery conditions. Looking forward to next y= ear already.

Congrats to Dave and Kathy for a= great performance, and Bob and crew who got us 4 out of 4.

=
=
Edgar Smith
Pachyderm
<= /div>
= --Apple-Mail-E9C7C8E7-1663-4E09-AD91-EDA6E990E9D2-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 00:28:43 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:28:43 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle Message-ID: <000c01cfa14d$ae9bbef0$0bd33cd0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CFA134.894ED510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, Does anyone have a drawings/measurements for a Frers 33 Cradle? Rod Stright Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CFA134.894ED510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = Guys,
<= /p>
Does = anyone have a drawings/measurements for a Frers 33 = Cradle?
<= /p>
Rod = Stright
Equinox=

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CFA134.894ED510-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 00:59:48 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:59:48 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Frers 33 One Design Regatta In-Reply-To: <72E381EC-1C8A-4A67-A2A0-072DCC6728A4@yahoo.com> References: <72E381EC-1C8A-4A67-A2A0-072DCC6728A4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9a7b0f3f-5e1c-498e-b86d-5076bbf5aec4@classeaudio.com> --=-dNXxN+F9xXVfbJ67IjYT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am relieved to be able to say that Bob was able to tell the Frers 33 repa= ir division at Pilot=E2=80=99s Point Marina to stand down after this weeken= d. There was no repeat of last year=E2=80=99s carnage and I think everyone = truly had a great time. I, for one, was very encouraged by the amount of in= teraction among both owners and crew, sharing ideas, techniques, rig settin= gs, etc. in an effort to bring the level of competition even closer. Younge= r crew in particular seemed especially eager to learn. It really enforces t= he notion that if you want to build a motivated and consistent crew, this e= vent in particular and one design racing in general, is an important tool. =20 Bob mentions that we have owned Wolverine a long time (since 1996) and we= =E2=80=99ve figured out some things over that time. There=E2=80=99s no ques= tion that we do things a certain way, the boat=E2=80=99s rigged to facilita= te that, we have a lot of experience in handling the boat under different c= onditions and I think we find and change gears pretty well. But probably th= e single biggest factor in the success of our program has been cultivating = a steady, consistent crew. Don Melillo (jib trimmer and spinnaker guy) is t= he only crew member who=E2=80=99s been with me since day one. My wife Kathy= , while initially coming along and doing different jobs on weekend races, d= idn=E2=80=99t really start as a regular part of the crew until 1999 or 2000= . She trims spinnaker and helps Don with tacking the jib. Others of the cre= w date back to 2001-2004. The core crew has been on the boat for more than = ten years now. Before you start to think that this might be tough to achiev= e (or you=E2=80=99re not that patient!), I should point out that 2001 was t= he first year we participated in a North Americans event. By consistently r= acing in at least one big event every year, like Frers 33 North Americans a= t Sail Newport and NYYC Race Week, we built a team that knows and does thei= r jobs well and really wants to win. I credit the early years of one design= racing with helping me put in place the crew that makes Wolverine go. When= I saw all of the young, enthusiastic crew soaking up knowledge this weeken= d, I had a great feeling about what this would mean for the future of the c= lass and the level of competition we would achieve. =20 We are all eager to learn and willing to share, so please, use the discussi= on list to ask questions and share ideas about all things Frers 33. Racing = and cruising, it=E2=80=99s the best boat of its type ever made. Let=E2=80= =99s make sure they are going fast wherever they are being sailed! =20 Regards, =20 Dave Nauber Wolverine Frers 33 Class Association =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Bob Connell Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 8:16 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Frers 33 One Design Regatta =20 Mike, welcome to the class the 33 is a great boat all around racing and cru= ising. We just had a great regatta this past weekend, Dave obviously is cl= ick faster than the rest of us but after 20 years I the boat he and his cr= ew have figured out how to make it go fast forward. It is a tribute to the = boat that they have had it so long. All the rest of us need to do is find t= hat extra tenth or two that they have. I sail against Dave at our home club= and you try to find ways to catch him , so as a weekly sparring partner it= has helped us improve our speed. =20 =20 Thanks Dave and Kathy Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Edgar Smith w= rote: Hi Rod =20 Short answer, Wolverine schooled us all again. =20 Longer answer, it was a great weekend! Good competition for everybody. We g= ot off four races in drifter to blustery conditions. Looking forward to nex= t year already.=20 =20 Congrats to Dave and Kathy for a great performance, and Bob and crew who go= t us 4 out of 4. =20 =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm= --=-dNXxN+F9xXVfbJ67IjYT Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am reli= eved to be able to say that Bob was able to tell the Frers 33 repair divisi= on at Pilot=E2=80=99s Point Marina to stand down after this weekend. There = was no repeat of last year=E2=80=99s carnage and I think everyone truly had= a great time. I, for one, was very encouraged by the amount of interaction= among both owners and crew, sharing ideas, techniques, rig settings, etc. = in an effort to bring the level of competition even closer. Younger crew in= particular seemed especially eager to learn. It really enforces the notion= that if you want to build a motivated and consistent crew, this event in p= articular and one design racing in general, is an important tool.

Bob mentions that we have owned Wolverine a long time = (since 1996) and we=E2=80=99ve figured out some things over that time. Ther= e=E2=80=99s no question that we do things a certain way, the boat=E2=80=99s= rigged to facilitate that, we have a lot of experience in handling the boa= t under different conditions and I think we find and change gears pretty we= ll. But probably the single biggest factor in the success of our program ha= s been cultivating a steady, consistent crew. Don Melillo (jib trimmer and = spinnaker guy) is the only crew member who=E2=80=99s been with me since day= one. My wife Kathy, while initially coming along and doing different jobs = on weekend races, didn=E2=80=99t really start as a regular part of the crew= until 1999 or 2000. She trims spinnaker and helps Don with tacking the jib= . Others of the crew date back to 2001-2004. The core crew has been on the = boat for more than ten years now. Before you start to think that this might= be tough to achieve (or you=E2=80=99re not that patient!), I should point = out that 2001 was the first year we participated in a North Americans event= . By consistently racing in at least one big event every year, like Frers 3= 3 North Americans at Sail Newport and NYYC Race Week, we built a team that = knows and does their jobs well and really wants to win. I credit the early = years of one design racing with helping me put in place the crew that makes= Wolverine go. When I saw all of the young, enthusiastic crew soaking up kn= owledge this weekend, I had a great feeling about what this would mean for = the future of the class and the level of competition we would achieve.=

We are all eager to learn and willing to share, s= o please, use the discussion list to ask questions and share ideas about al= l things Frers 33. Racing and cruising, it=E2=80=99s the best boat of its t= ype ever made. Let=E2=80=99s make sure they are going fast wherever they ar= e being sailed!
= ;
Regards,

Dave Nauber
Wolv= erine
Frers 33 Class Assoc= iation

Dav= id Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9
C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group= Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitte= r.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins

This emai= l message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of= its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means= such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written= consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any changes = made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this documen= t are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply it= s endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.

<= div>
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [m= ailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bob ConnellSent: Monday, July 14, 2014 8:16 PM
To: frers-list@lists= .frers33.com
Cc: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: = Re: [frers-list]Re: Frers 33 One Design Regatta
=

M= ike, welcome to the class the 33 is a great boat all around racing and crui= sing. We just had a great regatta this past weekend, Dave obviously i= s click faster than the rest of us but after 20 years I the boat he a= nd his crew have figured out how to make it go fast forward. It is a tribut= e to the boat that they have had it so long. All the rest of us need to do = is find that extra tenth or two that they have. I sail against Dave at our = home club and you try to find ways to catch him , so as a weekly sparring p= artner it has helped us improve our speed.

Thanks Dave and Kathy

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 14, 2014, = at 4:57 PM, Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote:
Hi Rod

Short answer, Wolverine schooled us all again.=

<= div>
Longer answer, it was a great weekend! Good compet= ition for everybody. We got off four races in drifter to blustery condition= s. Looking forward to next year already.

Cong= rats to Dave and Kathy for a great performance, and Bob and crew who got us= 4 out of 4.

Edgar Smith
Pachyderm
<= /div>
= --=-dNXxN+F9xXVfbJ67IjYT-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 03:25:49 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 23:25:49 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle In-Reply-To: <000c01cfa14d$ae9bbef0$0bd33cd0$@eastlink.ca> References: <000c01cfa14d$ae9bbef0$0bd33cd0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <20140717022549.6680725.56684.36314@impgroup.com>
Rod

Am borrow= ing a c&c 33-2 cradle for a haul out to replace transducers probably to= mmorrow. Jeff Pritchard of VMG Marine will be measuring the boat and is bui= lding me a cradle next week

Mike

=

= =

= =
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers ne= twork.
= =

From:= Rod Stright
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:29 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Reply To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Drawings= for a Frers 33 Cradle

Hi Guys,

Does anyone have a draw= ings/measurements for a Frers 33 Cradle?

Rod Stright
Equinox

From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 12:04:17 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Robert Connell) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 07:04:17 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle In-Reply-To: <20140717022549.6680725.56684.36314@impgroup.com> References: <000c01cfa14d$ae9bbef0$0bd33cd0$@eastlink.ca> <20140717022549.6680725.56684.36314@impgroup.com> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-8D7AD1AB-02A4-441E-8A00-B2142789CD4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Salsa has a steel cradle, I will take some pic's and measurements Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:25 PM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: > Rod >=20 > Am borrowing a c&c 33-2 cradle for a haul out to replace transducers proba= bly tommorrow. Jeff Pritchard of VMG Marine will be measuring the boat and i= s building me a cradle next week >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network. > From: Rod Stright > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:29 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Reply To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle >=20 > Hi Guys, > =20 > Does anyone have a drawings/measurements for a Frers 33 Cradle? > =20 > Rod Stright > Equinox > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list fr= ers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-l= ist --Apple-Mail-8D7AD1AB-02A4-441E-8A00-B2142789CD4A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Salsa has a steel cradle, I will take s= ome pic's and measurements

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 1= 6, 2014, at 10:25 PM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:

Rod
Am borrowing a c&c 33-2 cradle for a h= aul out to replace transducers probably tommorrow. Jeff Pritchard of VMG Mar= ine will be measuring the boat and is building me a cradle next week

Mike

= =

= =
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone o= n the Rogers network.
= =

From:= Rod Stright
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:29 PM
To: frers-list= @lists.frers33.com
Reply To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject:= [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle

Hi Guys,

Does anyone have a drawings/meas= urements for a Frers 33 Cradle?

Rod Stright
Equinox

_______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com= http://list= s.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list = --Apple-Mail-8D7AD1AB-02A4-441E-8A00-B2142789CD4A-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 12:24:49 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:24:49 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle In-Reply-To: References: <000c01cfa14d$ae9bbef0$0bd33cd0$@eastlink.ca> <20140717022549.6680725.56684.36314@impgroup.com> Message-ID: <001701cfa1b1$b88793d0$2996bb70$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CFA198.933B6D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Bob, much appreciated. =20 Rod =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Robert Connell Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:04 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: Subject: Re: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle =20 Salsa has a steel cradle, I will take some pic's and measurements Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:25 PM, "Hoyt, Mike" > wrote: Rod =20 Am borrowing a c&c 33-2 cradle for a haul out to replace transducers = probably tommorrow. Jeff Pritchard of VMG Marine will be measuring the = boat and is building me a cradle next week =20 Mike=20 =20 =20 =20 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network. From: Rod Stright Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:29 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =20 Reply To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com = =20 Subject: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle =20 Hi Guys, =20 Does anyone have a drawings/measurements for a Frers 33 Cradle? =20 Rod Stright Equinox =20 _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list = frers-list@lists.frers33.com = http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CFA198.933B6D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Bob, much = appreciated.
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Rod
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From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Robert = Connell
Sent: = Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:04 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: = <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Drawings = for a Frers 33 Cradle

Salsa has a steel cradle, I will take some = pic's and measurements

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2014, at = 10:25 PM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> = wrote:
Rod
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Am borrowing a c&c 33-2 = cradle for a haul out to replace transducers probably tommorrow. Jeff = Pritchard of VMG Marine will be measuring the boat and is building me a = cradle next week
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Mike =
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Sent from my BlackBerry 10 = smartphone on the Rogers = network.
From: Rod = Stright
Sent: Wednesday, = July 16, 2014 8:29 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Reply To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: [frers-list]= Drawings for a Frers 33 = Cradle

Hi = Guys,
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Does = anyone have a drawings/measurements for a Frers 33 = Cradle?
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Rod = Stright
Equinox=

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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CFA198.933B6D40-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 14:23:25 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Neal Melanson) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 09:23:25 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Price reduction for Vapor Trail to $33K Message-ID: --001a11c35704b2138604fe638b37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello Art, I hope you are still maintaining the frers33.com site. Please modify the FOR SALE page to reflect a price reduction for Vapor Trail to $33K. Thank you. -- Neal Melanson 89 Central St. Rowley Ma. 01969 978 948 7189 --001a11c35704b2138604fe638b37 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Art, I hope you are still maintaining the frers33.com site.

Please modify= the FOR SALE page to reflect a price reduction for Vapor Trail to $33K.

Thank you.

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--001a11c35704b2138604fe638b37-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 14:27:49 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 10:27:49 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]cradle Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419904B54@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA1C2.E7C8BD64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rod =20 We are measuring Greg's cradle (bought from Mark Surtherland) at 1PM today so that it can be put back to proper settings when done. Then we are hauling Persistence at 2PM with a diver in attendance to adjust pads as necessary. Once boat is out of water Jeff will be measuring hull so that we get a good fit for new cradle. =20 Purpose for haulout is to swap speed and depth transducers. Went a bit silly and purchased Raymarine value pack to replace existing B&G speed/depth/wind. The B&G are working but the displays will likely only last 2 - 3 more years and are difficult to read at night. Will make for a nice set of instrumentation on the boat with new speed/depth/wind, 2010 ST6002 autohelm, new Raymarine a65 chart plotter at nav (which also accepts input from speed/depth/wind), 2013 Garmin GPSMAP740 at helm, 2013 Std Horizon AIS receiving VHF and working Sailcomp tactical compass. Nothing old and all working =20 Next up will be assessing sails. Hope to try out a racing #1 on the weekend. If you would like to go for a sail on Saturday let me know and we can figure out the boat a bit more =20 Mike ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA1C2.E7C8BD64 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rod

We are measuring = Greg’s cradle (bought from Mark Surtherland) at 1PM today so that = it can be put back to proper settings when done. Then we are = hauling Persistence at 2PM with a diver in attendance to adjust pads as = necessary. Once boat is out of water Jeff will be measuring hull = so that we get a good fit for new cradle.

Purpose for haulout is = to swap speed and depth transducers. Went a bit silly and = purchased Raymarine value pack to replace existing B&G = speed/depth/wind. The B&G are working but the displays will = likely only last 2 – 3 more years and are difficult to read at = night. Will make for a nice set of instrumentation on the boat = with new speed/depth/wind, 2010 ST6002 autohelm, new Raymarine a65 chart = plotter at nav (which also accepts input from speed/depth/wind), 2013 = Garmin GPSMAP740 at helm, 2013 Std Horizon AIS receiving VHF and working = Sailcomp tactical compass. Nothing old and all = working

Next up will be = assessing sails. Hope to try out a racing #1 on the weekend. = If you would like to go for a sail on Saturday let me know and we can = figure out the boat a bit more

Mike
------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA1C2.E7C8BD64-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 14:30:15 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 10:30:15 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]cradle Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419904B5C@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA1C3.3EC21E7A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hate it when I reply to a single person and I send out to entire mailing list! Sorry to all for extra emails =20 Mike =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:28 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: Worden, Dale Subject: [frers-list]cradle =20 Rod =20 We are measuring Greg's cradle (bought from Mark Surtherland) at 1PM today so that it can be put back to proper settings when done. Then we are hauling Persistence at 2PM with a diver in attendance to adjust pads as necessary. Once boat is out of water Jeff will be measuring hull so that we get a good fit for new cradle. =20 Purpose for haulout is to swap speed and depth transducers. Went a bit silly and purchased Raymarine value pack to replace existing B&G speed/depth/wind. The B&G are working but the displays will likely only last 2 - 3 more years and are difficult to read at night. Will make for a nice set of instrumentation on the boat with new speed/depth/wind, 2010 ST6002 autohelm, new Raymarine a65 chart plotter at nav (which also accepts input from speed/depth/wind), 2013 Garmin GPSMAP740 at helm, 2013 Std Horizon AIS receiving VHF and working Sailcomp tactical compass. Nothing old and all working =20 Next up will be assessing sails. Hope to try out a racing #1 on the weekend. If you would like to go for a sail on Saturday let me know and we can figure out the boat a bit more =20 Mike ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA1C3.3EC21E7A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hate it when I reply to = a single person and I send out to entire mailing list! Sorry to = all for extra emails

Mike

From:= = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, = Mike
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:28 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: Worden, = Dale
Subject: = [frers-list]cradle

Rod

We are measuring = Greg’s cradle (bought from Mark Surtherland) at 1PM today so that = it can be put back to proper settings when done. Then we are = hauling Persistence at 2PM with a diver in attendance to adjust pads as = necessary. Once boat is out of water Jeff will be measuring hull = so that we get a good fit for new cradle.

Purpose for haulout is = to swap speed and depth transducers. Went a bit silly and = purchased Raymarine value pack to replace existing B&G = speed/depth/wind. The B&G are working but the displays will = likely only last 2 – 3 more years and are difficult to read at = night. Will make for a nice set of instrumentation on the boat = with new speed/depth/wind, 2010 ST6002 autohelm, new Raymarine a65 chart = plotter at nav (which also accepts input from speed/depth/wind), 2013 = Garmin GPSMAP740 at helm, 2013 Std Horizon AIS receiving VHF and working = Sailcomp tactical compass. Nothing old and all = working

Next up will be = assessing sails. Hope to try out a racing #1 on the weekend. = If you would like to go for a sail on Saturday let me know and we can = figure out the boat a bit more

Mike
------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA1C3.3EC21E7A-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 14:36:34 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 09:36:34 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]B&G Displays Message-ID: <1BF14DA1-E200-41F9-BE7B-7DDD5283F368@geomatrixproductions.com> --Apple-Mail-4--52251681 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Are you removing working B&G displays and would you consider selling = them? I have B&G "Hydra-2" displays and one is fading. If yours are the = same, I'd be interested. Edgar Smith Pachyderm= --Apple-Mail-4--52251681 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Are = you removing working B&G displays and would you consider selling = them? I have B&G "Hydra-2" displays and one is fading. If yours are = the same, I'd be interested.

Edgar = Smith
Pachyderm
= --Apple-Mail-4--52251681-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 14:39:27 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 10:39:27 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]B&G Displays In-Reply-To: <1BF14DA1-E200-41F9-BE7B-7DDD5283F368@geomatrixproductions.com> References: <1BF14DA1-E200-41F9-BE7B-7DDD5283F368@geomatrixproductions.com> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419904B67@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA1C4.87861C68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Edgar =20 Am removing working speed, depth and wind transducers, cabling, controllers and displays. Are B&G H1000. Suspect may not be compatible and reason decided to switch is that more modern displays seem not to be available and if I found any very expensive =20 I may have a buyer for the whole system but if not I would like to sell the whole set as one unit =20 Mike =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:37 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]B&G Displays =20 Are you removing working B&G displays and would you consider selling them? I have B&G "Hydra-2" displays and one is fading. If yours are the same, I'd be interested. =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA1C4.87861C68 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Edgar

Am removing working speed, depth and wind transducers, cabling, = controllers and displays. Are B&G H1000. Suspect may not = be compatible and reason decided to switch is that more modern displays = seem not to be available and if I found any very = expensive

I may have a buyer for the whole system but if not I would like to = sell the whole set as one unit

Mike

From:= = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar = Smith
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:37 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]B&G = Displays

Are you = removing working B&G displays and would you consider selling them? I = have B&G "Hydra-2" displays and one is fading. If yours = are the same, I'd be interested.

E= dgar Smith
P= achyderm
<= /div> ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA1C4.87861C68-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 14:52:21 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 09:52:21 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #772 - 4 msgs In-Reply-To: <20140717132901.52DC061CF9@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20140717132901.52DC061CF9@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: --_5152ea15-7d54-4cfb-a066-6e9d51f2fec1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought a 50' lowboy for $1K and had a welder fab some adjustable uprights= with (from a new england co.) adjustable pads and have satisfactorily stor= ed for years as well as hauled 'er for hundreds of miles at a time with a F= ord Diesel F-350. I would guess that my trailer cost is possibly no more than having a cradle= built. HTH=2C Courtney Thomas > From: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com > Subject: frers-list digest=2C Vol 1 #772 - 4 msgs > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Date: Thu=2C 17 Jul 2014 08:29:01 -0500 >=20 > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to > frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web=2C visit > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or=2C via email=2C send a message with subject or body 'help' to > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com >=20 > When replying=2C please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. Re: Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle (Robert Connell) > 2. RE: Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle (Rod Stright) > 3. Price reduction for Vapor Trail to $33K (Neal Melanson) > 4. cradle (Hoyt=2C Mike) >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 1 > Cc: "" > From: Robert Connell > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle > Date: Thu=2C 17 Jul 2014 07:04:17 -0400 > To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 >=20 > --Apple-Mail-8D7AD1AB-02A4-441E-8A00-B2142789CD4A > Content-Type: text/plain=3B > charset=3Dus-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > Salsa has a steel cradle=2C I will take some pic's and measurements >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jul 16=2C 2014=2C at 10:25 PM=2C "Hoyt=2C Mike" wrote: >=20 > > Rod > >=3D20 > > Am borrowing a c&c 33-2 cradle for a haul out to replace transducers pr= oba=3D > bly tommorrow. Jeff Pritchard of VMG Marine will be measuring the boat an= d i=3D > s building me a cradle next week > >=3D20 > > Mike > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network. > > From: Rod Stright > > Sent: Wednesday=2C July 16=2C 2014 8:29 PM > > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > Reply To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > Subject: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle > >=3D20 > > Hi Guys=2C > > =3D20 > > Does anyone have a drawings/measurements for a Frers 33 Cradle? > > =3D20 > > Rod Stright > > Equinox > > =3D20 > >=3D20 > > _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list= fr=3D > ers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frer= s-l=3D > ist >=20 > --Apple-Mail-8D7AD1AB-02A4-441E-8A00-B2142789CD4A > Content-Type: text/html=3B > charset=3Dutf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > utf-8">
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=3D >=20 > --Apple-Mail-8D7AD1AB-02A4-441E-8A00-B2142789CD4A-- >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 2 > From: Rod Stright > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Cc: 'Jeff Pritchard' > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle > Date: Thu=2C 17 Jul 2014 08:24:49 -0300 > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 > This is a multipart message in MIME format. >=20 > ------=3D_NextPart_000_0018_01CFA198.933B6D40 > Content-Type: text/plain=3B > charset=3D"UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > Thanks Bob=2C much appreciated. >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Rod >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Robert Connell > Sent: Thursday=2C July 17=2C 2014 8:04 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Salsa has a steel cradle=2C I will take some pic's and measurements >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 >=20 > On Jul 16=2C 2014=2C at 10:25 PM=2C "Hoyt=2C Mike" > wrote: >=20 > Rod >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Am borrowing a c&c 33-2 cradle for a haul out to replace transducers =3D > probably tommorrow. Jeff Pritchard of VMG Marine will be measuring the = =3D > boat and is building me a cradle next week >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Mike=3D20 >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network. >=20 >=20 > From: Rod Stright >=20 > Sent: Wednesday=2C July 16=2C 2014 8:29 PM >=20 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =3D= 20 >=20 > Reply To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =3D > =3D20 >=20 > Subject: [frers-list]Drawings for a Frers 33 Cradle >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Hi Guys=2C >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Does anyone have a drawings/measurements for a Frers 33 Cradle? >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Rod Stright >=20 > Equinox >=20 > =3D20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list = =3D > frers-list@lists.frers33.com =3D > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=3D20 >=20 >=20 > ------=3D_NextPart_000_0018_01CFA198.933B6D40 > Content-Type: text/html=3B > charset=3D"UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D > xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D > xmlns:m=3D3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =3D > xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html=3B charset=3D3Dutf-8">= name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered =3D > medium)"> link=3D3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D3D"#954F72">
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size=3D3D2 color=3D3D"#1f497d" face=3D3DCalibri> style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt=3Bcolor:#1F497D'>Am borrowing a c&=3Bc 33-= 2 =3D > cradle for a haul out to replace transducers probably tommorrow. Jeff =3D > Pritchard of VMG Marine will be measuring the boat and is building me a = =3D > cradle next week
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> ------=3D_NextPart_000_0018_01CFA198.933B6D40-- >=20 >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 3 > Date: Thu=2C 17 Jul 2014 09:23:25 -0400 > From: Neal Melanson > To: Arthur Kelley =2C art@frers33.com=2C > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Price reduction for Vapor Trail to $33K > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 > --001a11c35704b2138604fe638b37 > Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3DUTF-8 >=20 > Hello Art=2C I hope you are still maintaining the frers33.com site. >=20 > Please modify the FOR SALE page to reflect a price reduction for Vapor > Trail to $33K. >=20 > Thank you. >=20 > --=20 > Neal Melanson > 89 Central St. > Rowley Ma. 01969 >=20 > 978 948 7189 >=20 > --001a11c35704b2138604fe638b37 > Content-Type: text/html=3B charset=3DUTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 >
Hello Art=2C I hope you are still maintaining the "http://frers33.com">frers33.com site.

Please modi= fy=3D > the FOR SALE page to reflect a price reduction for Vapor Trail to $33K.<= /d=3D > iv> >

Thank you.

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>=20 > --001a11c35704b2138604fe638b37-- >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 4 > Date: Thu=2C 17 Jul 2014 10:27:49 -0300 > From: "Hoyt=2C Mike" > To: > Cc: "Worden=2C Dale" > Subject: [frers-list]cradle > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >=20 > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CFA1C2.E7C8BD64 > Content-Type: text/plain=3B > charset=3D"us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > Rod >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > We are measuring Greg's cradle (bought from Mark Surtherland) at 1PM > today so that it can be put back to proper settings when done. Then we > are hauling Persistence at 2PM with a diver in attendance to adjust pads > as necessary. Once boat is out of water Jeff will be measuring hull so > that we get a good fit for new cradle. >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Purpose for haulout is to swap speed and depth transducers. Went a bit > silly and purchased Raymarine value pack to replace existing B&G > speed/depth/wind. The B&G are working but the displays will likely only > last 2 - 3 more years and are difficult to read at night. Will make for > a nice set of instrumentation on the boat with new speed/depth/wind=2C > 2010 ST6002 autohelm=2C new Raymarine a65 chart plotter at nav (which als= o > accepts input from speed/depth/wind)=2C 2013 Garmin GPSMAP740 at helm=2C > 2013 Std Horizon AIS receiving VHF and working Sailcomp tactical > compass. Nothing old and all working >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Next up will be assessing sails. Hope to try out a racing #1 on the > weekend. If you would like to go for a sail on Saturday let me know and > we can figure out the boat a bit more >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CFA1C2.E7C8BD64 > Content-Type: text/html=3B > charset=3D"us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D > xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D > xmlns:m=3D3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =3D > xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html=3B =3D > charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> (filtered medium)"> link=3D3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D3D"#954F72">
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class=3D3DMsoNormal>Purpose for haulout i= s =3D > to swap speed and depth transducers. =3B Went a bit silly and =3D > purchased Raymarine value pack to replace existing B&=3BG =3D > speed/depth/wind. =3B The B&=3BG are working but the displays will= =3D > likely only last 2 –=3B 3 more years and are difficult to read at = =3D > night. =3B Will make for a nice set of instrumentation on the boat = =3D > with new speed/depth/wind=2C 2010 ST6002 autohelm=2C new Raymarine a65 ch= art =3D > plotter at nav (which also accepts input from speed/depth/wind)=2C 2013 = =3D > Garmin GPSMAP740 at helm=2C 2013 Std Horizon AIS receiving VHF and workin= g =3D > Sailcomp tactical compass. =3B Nothing old and all =3D > working
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class=3D3DMsoNormal>Next up will be =3D > assessing sails. =3B Hope to try out a racing #1 on the weekend. = =3B =3D > If you would like to go for a sail on Saturday let me know and we can =3D > figure out the boat a bit more
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I bought a 50' lowboy for $1K and had a welde= r fab some adjustable uprights with (from a new england co.) adjustable pad= s and have satisfactorily stored for years as well as hauled 'er for hundre= ds of miles at a time with a Ford Diesel F-350.

I would guess that m= y trailer cost is possibly no more than having a cradle built.

HTH= =2C

Courtney Thomas

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>=3B We are measuring Greg's cradle (b= ought from Mark Surtherland) at 1PM
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>=3B are hauling Persistenc= e at 2PM with a diver in attendance to adjust pads
>=3B as necessary. = Once boat is out of water Jeff will be measuring hull so
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>=3B speed/depth/wind. The B&=3BG are working but the disp= lays will likely only
>=3B last 2 - 3 more years and are difficult to = read at night. Will make for
>=3B a nice set of instrumentation on th= e boat with new speed/depth/wind=2C
>=3B 2010 ST6002 autohelm=2C new R= aymarine a65 chart plotter at nav (which also
>=3B accepts input from = speed/depth/wind)=2C 2013 Garmin GPSMAP740 at helm=2C
>=3B 2013 Std Ho= rizon AIS receiving VHF and working Sailcomp tactical
>=3B compass. N= othing old and all working
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>=3B = Next up will be assessing sails. Hope to try out a racing #1 on the
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--001a1134192c9ec1b204fe64711d-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 18:14:55 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:14:55 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]RE: Re: Frers 33 One Design Regatta Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-10--39150185 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There are so many secrets tucked into Dave's short note about the one = design regatta. Everything I think is important to winning is mentioned; = changing gears as conditions change, setting up the boat, entering = challenging events, sailing with your friends and family, and racing on = other people's boats now and then. Other boat owners I talk to are always jealous of the one-design action = we have in the Frers 33. I sailed on a Soverel 33 at a one design event = earlier this summer and there is no comparison between the boats, The = Frers is much more fun to sail and don't even ask about cruising! If you = find anyone talking about a buying a racing boat, encourage them to buy = one of the 33s on the market, before Rod lures them all to Canada..=20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm I am relieved to be able to say that Bob was able to tell the Frers 33 = repair division at Pilot=92s Point Marina to stand down after this = weekend. There was no repeat of last year=92s carnage and I think = everyone truly had a great time. I, for one, was very encouraged by the = amount of interaction among both owners and crew, sharing ideas, = techniques, rig settings, etc. in an effort to bring the level of = competition even closer. Younger crew in particular seemed especially = eager to learn. It really enforces the notion that if you want to build = a motivated and consistent crew, this event in particular and one design = racing in general, is an important tool. =20 Bob mentions that we have owned Wolverine a long time (since 1996) and = we=92ve figured out some things over that time. There=92s no question = that we do things a certain way, the boat=92s rigged to facilitate that, = we have a lot of experience in handling the boat under different = conditions and I think we find and change gears pretty well. But = probably the single biggest factor in the success of our program has = been cultivating a steady, consistent crew. Don Melillo (jib trimmer and = spinnaker guy) is the only crew member who=92s been with me since day = one. My wife Kathy, while initially coming along and doing different = jobs on weekend races, didn=92t really start as a regular part of the = crew until 1999 or 2000. She trims spinnaker and helps Don with tacking = the jib. Others of the crew date back to 2001-2004. The core crew has = been on the boat for more than ten years now. Before you start to think = that this might be tough to achieve (or you=92re not that patient!), I = should point out that 2001 was the first year we participated in a North = Americans event. By consistently racing in at least one big event every = year, like Frers 33 North Americans at Sail Newport and NYYC Race Week, = we built a team that knows and does their jobs well and really wants to = win. I credit the early years of one design racing with helping me put = in place the crew that makes Wolverine go. When I saw all of the young, = enthusiastic crew soaking up knowledge this weekend, I had a great = feeling about what this would mean for the future of the class and the = level of competition we would achieve. =20 We are all eager to learn and willing to share, so please, use the = discussion list to ask questions and share ideas about all things Frers = 33. Racing and cruising, it=92s the best boat of its type ever made. = Let=92s make sure they are going fast wherever they are being sailed!= --Apple-Mail-10--39150185 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252"
There are so many secrets tucked into = Dave's short note about the one design regatta. Everything I think is = important to winning is mentioned; changing gears as conditions change, = setting up the boat, entering challenging events, sailing with your = friends and family, and racing on other people's boats now and = then.

Other boat owners I talk to are = always jealous of the one-design action we have in the Frers 33. I = sailed on a Soverel 33 at a one design event earlier this summer and = there is no comparison between the boats, The Frers is much more fun to = sail and don't even ask about cruising! If you find anyone talking about = a buying a racing boat, encourage them to buy one of the 33s on the = market, before Rod lures them all to = Canada..

Edgar = Smith
Pachyderm

I am relieved to be able to say = that Bob was able to tell the Frers 33 repair division at Pilot=92s = Point Marina to stand down after this weekend. There was no repeat of = last year=92s carnage and I think everyone truly had a great time. I, = for one, was very encouraged by the amount of interaction among both = owners and crew, sharing ideas, techniques, rig settings, etc. in an = effort to bring the level of competition even closer. Younger crew in = particular seemed especially eager to learn. It really enforces the = notion that if you want to build a motivated and consistent crew, this = event in particular and one design racing in general, is an important = tool.
Bob = mentions that we have owned Wolverine a long time (since 1996) and we=92ve= figured out some things over that time. There=92s no question that we = do things a certain way, the boat=92s rigged to facilitate that, we have = a lot of experience in handling the boat under different conditions and = I think we find and change gears pretty well. But probably the single = biggest factor in the success of our program has been cultivating a = steady, consistent crew. Don Melillo (jib trimmer and spinnaker guy) is = the only crew member who=92s been with me since day one. My wife Kathy, = while initially coming along and doing different jobs on weekend races, = didn=92t really start as a regular part of the crew until 1999 or 2000. = She trims spinnaker and helps Don with tacking the jib. Others of the = crew date back to 2001-2004. The core crew has been on the boat for more = than ten years now. Before you start to think that this might be tough = to achieve (or you=92re not that patient!), I should point out that 2001 = was the first year we participated in a North Americans event. By = consistently racing in at least one big event every year, like Frers 33 = North Americans at Sail Newport and NYYC Race Week, we built a team that = knows and does their jobs well and really wants to win. I credit the = early years of one design racing with helping me put in place the crew = that makes Wolverine go. When I saw all of the young, enthusiastic crew = soaking up knowledge this weekend, I had a great feeling about what this = would mean for the future of the class and the level of competition we = would achieve.
We = are all eager to learn and willing to share, so please, use the = discussion list to ask questions and share ideas about all things Frers = 33. Racing and cruising, it=92s the best boat of its type ever made. = Let=92s make sure they are going fast wherever they are being = sailed!
= --Apple-Mail-10--39150185-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 17 18:25:12 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:25:12 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]RE: Re: Frers 33 One Design Regatta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42d85aa7-5a72-40f4-b3ba-467ab498d592@classeaudio.com> --=-SvtlKy2aNnJp9EgotoCn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Edgar. I totally agree that Rod is undoubtedly trying to lure an ent= ire fleet of Frers 33s to Canada so he has someone to play with. I can=B4t = blame him. I think for the rest of us, adding to the number of boats in New= England who will participate in one design events should be a priority. =20 While not a one design event, the Off Soundings Spring and Fall series has = attracted four Frers 33s so it=B4s a great event in its own right, offering= some one design competition nested within class C-2. Anyone interested in = giving Off Soundings a try, contact Edgar, Bob Farnum, Bob Connell or me. W= e will help you get started. =20 Regards, =20 Dave =20 David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:15 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]RE: Re: Frers 33 One Design Regatta =20 There are so many secrets tucked into Dave's short note about the one desig= n regatta. Everything I think is important to winning is mentioned; changin= g gears as conditions change, setting up the boat, entering challenging eve= nts, sailing with your friends and family, and racing on other people's boa= ts now and then. =20 Other boat owners I talk to are always jealous of the one-design action we = have in the Frers 33. I sailed on a Soverel 33 at a one design event earlie= r this summer and there is no comparison between the boats, The Frers is mu= ch more fun to sail and don't even ask about cruising! If you find anyone t= alking about a buying a racing boat, encourage them to buy one of the 33s o= n the market, before Rod lures them all to Canada..=20 =20 =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm =20 I am relieved to be able to say that Bob was able to tell the Frers 33 repa= ir division at Pilot=B4s Point Marina to stand down after this weekend. The= re was no repeat of last year=B4s carnage and I think everyone truly had a = great time. I, for one, was very encouraged by the amount of interaction am= ong both owners and crew, sharing ideas, techniques, rig settings, etc. in = an effort to bring the level of competition even closer. Younger crew in pa= rticular seemed especially eager to learn. It really enforces the notion th= at if you want to build a motivated and consistent crew, this event in part= icular and one design racing in general, is an important tool. =20 Bob mentions that we have owned Wolverine a long time (since 1996) and we= =B4ve figured out some things over that time. There=B4s no question that we= do things a certain way, the boat=B4s rigged to facilitate that, we have a= lot of experience in handling the boat under different conditions and I th= ink we find and change gears pretty well. But probably the single biggest f= actor in the success of our program has been cultivating a steady, consiste= nt crew. Don Melillo (jib trimmer and spinnaker guy) is the only crew membe= r who=B4s been with me since day one. My wife Kathy, while initially coming= along and doing different jobs on weekend races, didn=B4t really start as = a regular part of the crew until 1999 or 2000. She trims spinnaker and help= s Don with tacking the jib. Others of the crew date back to 2001-2004. The = core crew has been on the boat for more than ten years now. Before you star= t to think that this might be tough to achieve (or you=B4re not that patien= t!), I should point out that 2001 was the first year we participated in a N= orth Americans event. By consistently racing in at least one big event ever= y year, like Frers 33 North Americans at Sail Newport and NYYC Race Week, w= e built a team that knows and does their jobs well and really wants to win.= I credit the early years of one design racing with helping me put in place= the crew that makes Wolverine go. When I saw all of the young, enthusiasti= c crew soaking up knowledge this weekend, I had a great feeling about what = this would mean for the future of the class and the level of competition we= would achieve. =20 We are all eager to learn and willing to share, so please, use the discussi= on list to ask questions and share ideas about all things Frers 33. Racing = and cruising, it=B4s the best boat of its type ever made. Let=B4s make sure= they are going fast wherever they are being sailed!= --=-SvtlKy2aNnJp9EgotoCn Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Ed= gar. I totally agree that Rod is undoubtedly trying to lure an entire fleet= of Frers 33s to Canada so he has someone to play with. I can’t blame= him. I think for the rest of us, adding to the number of boats in New Engl= and who will participate in one design events should be a priority.

While not a one design event, the Off Soundings Spri= ng and Fall series has attracted four Frers 33s so it’s a great event= in its own right, offering some one design competition nested within class= C-2. Anyone interested in giving Off Soundings a try, contact Edgar, Bob F= arnum, Bob Connell or me. We will help you get started.

Regards,

Dave<= /p>

David NauberPresident
Class=E9

C: = 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cu= sson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
Follow Bowers & Wil= kins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.= com/bowerswilkins

This email message is confidential and f= or use by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in pa= rt in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) = is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd doe= s not accept responsibility for any changes made to this message after it w= as sent. The views expressed in this document are that of the individual an= d may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation= by B&W Group Ltd.

Fr= om: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: Thursday, July 1= 7, 2014 1:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]RE: Re: Frers 33 One Design Regatta

There are so many secrets tucked into Dave's shor= t note about the one design regatta. Everything I think is important to win= ning is mentioned; changing gears as conditions change, setting up the boat= , entering challenging events, sailing with your friends and family, and ra= cing on other people's boats now and then.

Other boat owners I talk to are always jealous of the one-design acti= on we have in the Frers 33. I sailed on a Soverel 33 at a one design event = earlier this summer and there is no comparison between the boats, The Frers= is much more fun to sail and don't even ask about cruising! If you find an= yone talking about a buying a racing boat, encourage them to buy one of the= 33s on the market, before Rod lures them all to Canada.. <= /p>

Edgar Smith
Pachyderm

I am relieved to be able to say that Bob was able to te= ll the Frers 33 repair division at Pilot’s Point Marina to stand down= after this weekend. There was no repeat of last year’s carnage and I= think everyone truly had a great time. I, for one, was very encouraged by = the amount of interaction among both owners and crew, sharing ideas, techni= ques, rig settings, etc. in an effort to bring the level of competition eve= n closer. Younger crew in particular seemed especially eager to learn. It r= eally enforces the notion that if you want to build a motivated and consist= ent crew, this event in particular and one design racing in general, is an = important tool.

Bob men= tions that we have owned Wolverine a long time (since 1996) and we’ve= figured out some things over that time. There’s no question that we = do things a certain way, the boat’s rigged to facilitate that, we hav= e a lot of experience in handling the boat under different conditions and I= think we find and change gears pretty well. But probably the single bigges= t factor in the success of our program has been cultivating a steady, consi= stent crew. Don Melillo (jib trimmer and spinnaker guy) is the only crew me= mber who’s been with me since day one. My wife Kathy, while initially= coming along and doing different jobs on weekend races, didn’t reall= y start as a regular part of the crew until 1999 or 2000. She trims spinnak= er and helps Don with tacking the jib. Others of the crew date back to 2001= -2004. The core crew has been on the boat for more than ten years now. Befo= re you start to think that this might be tough to achieve (or you’re = not that patient!), I should point out that 2001 was the first year we part= icipated in a North Americans event. By consistently racing in at least one= big event every year, like Frers 33 North Americans at Sail Newport and NY= YC Race Week, we built a team that knows and does their jobs well and reall= y wants to win. I credit the early years of one design racing with helping = me put in place the crew that makes Wolverine go. When I saw all of the you= ng, enthusiastic crew soaking up knowledge this weekend, I had a great feel= ing about what this would mean for the future of the class and the level of= competition we would achieve.

We are all eager to learn and willing to share, so please, use the = discussion list to ask questions and share ideas about all things Frers 33.= Racing and cruising, it’s the best boat of its type ever made. Let&#= 8217;s make sure they are going fast wherever they are being sailed!=
= --=-SvtlKy2aNnJp9EgotoCn-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Jul 23 13:11:10 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:11:10 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D54199056E2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA66F.302C1502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi =20 Persistence currently has spin sheets but I have found no tweakers and no guys. =20 A question for the group. Do each of you use guy and sheet each side or just sheets with tweakers? =20 Thanks =20 Mike Persistence ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA66F.302C1502 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi

Persistence = currently has spin sheets but I have found no tweakers and no = guys.

A question for the group. Do each of you use guy = and sheet each side or just sheets with tweakers?

Thanks

Mike

Persistence
------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA66F.302C1502-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Jul 23 13:48:31 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:48:31 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D54199056E2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D54199056E2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <006601cfa674$688864a0$39992de0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01CFA65B.433CB340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, I think you will find both in use depending upon conditions. On Equinox we use guys and lazy sheets but if it is light we can use sheets and tweakers. We jibe end for end. Rod Equinox From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:11 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? Hi Persistence currently has spin sheets but I have found no tweakers and no guys. A question for the group. Do each of you use guy and sheet each side or just sheets with tweakers? Thanks Mike Persistence ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01CFA65B.433CB340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,
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I think = you will find both in use depending upon conditions. On Equinox we = use guys and lazy sheets but if it is light we can use sheets and = tweakers. We jibe end for end.
<= /p>
Rod =
Equinox=
<= /p>
From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, = Mike
Sent: Wednesday, = July 23, 2014 9:11 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or = guys?

Hi

Persistence currently has spin sheets but I = have found no tweakers and no guys.

A question for the group. Do each of = you use guy and sheet each side or just sheets with = tweakers?

Thanks

Mike

Persistence
------=_NextPart_000_0067_01CFA65B.433CB340-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Jul 23 14:42:09 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:42:09 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D54199056E2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D54199056E2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: --Boundary_(ID_zstBXf0iO7uhxJWEUmonfg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mike, You are going to get multiple answers from this group I think. Brilliant uses tweakers up to about 15 kts when we switch to full-on guys. Art > On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: > > Hi > > Persistence currently has spin sheets but I have found no tweakers and no guys. > > A question for the group. Do each of you use guy and sheet each side or just sheets with tweakers? > > Thanks > > Mike > > Persistence --Boundary_(ID_zstBXf0iO7uhxJWEUmonfg) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Mike,

You are going to get multiple answers from this group I think. Brilliant uses tweakers up to about 15 kts when we switch to full-on guys.

Art

On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:

Hi

Persistence currently has spin sheets but I have found no tweakers and no guys.

A question for the group. Do each of you use guy and sheet each side or just sheets with tweakers?

Thanks

Mike

Persistence
--Boundary_(ID_zstBXf0iO7uhxJWEUmonfg)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Jul 23 15:05:16 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:05:16 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? In-Reply-To: References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D54199056E2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <396678d7-1c19-456c-a3bd-1c03015474c9@classeaudio.com> --=-/XsAPltB6kubDm7YX9b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No doubt! =20 Wolverine uses lazy sheets and guys for all but the lightest air conditions= when they are clearly weighing the clew down, then we switch to a light ai= r sheet. When it=E2=80=99s time to jib we re-connect the original sheet/guy= , jibe, and then attach the light air sheet to the new clew and remove the = sheet/guy on that side. One benefit of this approach is that the boat handl= ing is always the same when jibing so things tend to get done smoothly and = automatically. It=E2=80=99s always about trade-offs and I think using lazy = sheets and guys is worth any tradeoff in the lower wind ranges. That=E2=80= =99s my $.02 anyway. =20 Regards, =20 Dave =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:42 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? =20 Mike, =20 You are going to get multiple answers from this group I think. Brilliant us= es tweakers up to about 15 kts when we switch to full-on guys.=20 Art On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: Hi =20 Persistence currently has spin sheets but I have found no tweakers and no g= uys. =20 A question for the group. Do each of you use guy and sheet each side or ju= st sheets with tweakers? =20 Thanks =20 Mike Persistence= --=-/XsAPltB6kubDm7YX9b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No doubt!

Wolverine uses lazy sheets and guys for all but th= e lightest air conditions when they are clearly weighing the clew down, the= n we switch to a light air sheet. When it=E2=80=99s time to jib we re-conne= ct the original sheet/guy, jibe, and then attach the light air sheet to the= new clew and remove the sheet/guy on that side. One benefit of this approa= ch is that the boat handling is always the same when jibing so things tend = to get done smoothly and automatically. It=E2=80=99s always about trade-off= s and I think using lazy sheets and guys is worth any tradeoff in the lower= wind ranges. That=E2=80=99s my $.02 anyway.

Regards,

Dave

= David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9=

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Gr= oup Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
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From: frers-list= -admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On = Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:42 A= M
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-= list]tweakers or guys?

Mike,
=

You are going to get multiple answers from this group I think. Brillian= t uses tweakers up to about 15 kts when we switch to full-on guys.
Art

On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:=
Hi
=
Persistence currently has spin sheets b= ut I have found no tweakers and no guys.

A question for the group. = Do each of you use guy and sheet each side or just sheets with tweakers?

= Thanks

Mike

Persistence=
= --=-/XsAPltB6kubDm7YX9b2-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Jul 23 15:16:23 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Robert Connell) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:16:23 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? In-Reply-To: <396678d7-1c19-456c-a3bd-1c03015474c9@classeaudio.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D54199056E2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <396678d7-1c19-456c-a3bd-1c03015474c9@classeaudio.com> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-4E3A08CB-910A-4A0E-AC18-3D5187556332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I confer with Dave, we use sheets and guys all the time to keep it consistan= t and will switch to a light sheet to save clew weight Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Dave Nauber wrote: > No doubt! > =20 > Wolverine uses lazy sheets and guys for all but the lightest air condition= s when they are clearly weighing the clew down, then we switch to a light ai= r sheet. When it=E2=80=99s time to jib we re-connect the original sheet/guy,= jibe, and then attach the light air sheet to the new clew and remove the sh= eet/guy on that side. One benefit of this approach is that the boat handling= is always the same when jibing so things tend to get done smoothly and auto= matically. It=E2=80=99s always about trade-offs and I think using lazy sheet= s and guys is worth any tradeoff in the lower wind ranges. That=E2=80=99s my= $.02 anyway. > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Dave > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 >=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publ= ication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior= written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any chang= es made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this docum= ent are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply i= ts endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. >=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:42 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? > =20 > Mike, > =20 > You are going to get multiple answers from this group I think. Brilliant u= ses tweakers up to about 15 kts when we switch to full-on guys.=20 >=20 > Art >=20 > On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: >=20 > Hi > =20 > Persistence currently has spin sheets but I have found no tweakers and no g= uys. > =20 > A question for the group. Do each of you use guy and sheet each side or j= ust sheets with tweakers? > =20 > Thanks > =20 > Mike >=20 > Persistence --Apple-Mail-4E3A08CB-910A-4A0E-AC18-3D5187556332 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I confer with Dave, we use sheets and g= uys all the time to keep it consistant and will switch to a light sheet to s= ave clew weight

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2014, at= 10:05 AM, Dave Nauber <dnaube= r@classeaudio.com> wrote:

No doubt!

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">Wolverine uses lazy shee= ts and guys for all but the lightest air conditions when they are clearly we= ighing the clew down, then we switch to a light air sheet. When it=E2=80=99s= time to jib we re-connect the original sheet/guy, jibe, and then attach the= light air sheet to the new clew and remove the sheet/guy on that side. One b= enefit of this approach is that the boat handling is always the same when ji= bing so things tend to get done smoothly and automatically. It=E2=80=99s alw= ays about trade-offs and I think using lazy sheets and guys is worth any tra= deoff in the lower wind ranges. That=E2=80=99s my $.02 anyway.

Regards,

Dave

David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.co= m
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H= 8T 1B3
Follow B= owers & Wilkins on: facebo= ok.com/bowerswilkins | twi= tter.com/bowers_wilkins | y= outube.com/bowerswilkins

This email m= essage is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its= contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such= as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written conse= nt. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any changes made to= this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this document are th= at of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorse= ment or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. <= o:p>

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]= On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9= :42 AM
To: frers-l= ist@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]tweakers or guy= s?
=
Mike,

You are goi= ng to get multiple answers from this group I think. Brilliant uses tweakers u= p to about 15 kts when we switch to full-on guys.

Art

On= Jul 23, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:
Hi

Persistence currently has spin sheets but I have found no tweaker= s and no guys.

A question for the group. Do each of you use guy an= d sheet each side or just sheets with tweakers?

Thanks

Mike

Persistence
= --Apple-Mail-4E3A08CB-910A-4A0E-AC18-3D5187556332-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Jul 23 17:08:21 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Michael Argyelan) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:08:21 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? Message-ID: --e89a8f839d2797df2404fede8c32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Mystify went back and forth with this for some time. We got rid of the lazy guys all together and just use tweakers. I spent a lot of time on T10's (Tartan 10) the last two years and found the twings/tweakers set up is super easy, even in a blow. Having tweakers always ready also means you have a barber hall system ready to go when the wind pics up or when tight reaching. We end for end. The system/method we use is when ready for the gybe, we harden on the twings on both sides. This helps control the kite and the pole and keeps the sheet/guy low enough to grab. My two cents. Michael --e89a8f839d2797df2404fede8c32 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mystify went back and forth with this for some time. We go= t rid of the lazy guys all together and just use tweakers. I spent a lot of= time on T10's (Tartan 10) the last two years and found the twings/twea= kers set up is super easy, even in a blow.=C2=A0

Having tweakers always ready also means you have a barber ha= ll system ready to go when the wind pics up or when tight reaching. We end = for end.

The system/method we use is when ready fo= r the gybe, we harden on the twings on both sides. This helps control the k= ite and the pole and keeps the sheet/guy low enough to grab.=C2=A0

My two cents.

Michael
<= br>

--e89a8f839d2797df2404fede8c32-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 24 12:35:07 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:35:07 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED4681F@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> --_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED4681Fmbx032w1co2exch03_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light she= ets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety we use= is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know= what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it is really sto= rmy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes the jibes fas= ter, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for= end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and replace the laz= y-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I have not seen = the need to put on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any conditions. = In heavy air we sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chu= te and dampen the rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take= it back up for jibes. I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute = on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could= get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with= Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage. With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe = (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but= it as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly= every time, but it never really goes haywire either. I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases, s= ince the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't = get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great f= or forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slo= w down the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the c= ockpit). Edgar Smith Pachyderm ________________________________ --_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED4681Fmbx032w1co2exch03_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-li= ght sheets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety= we use is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know what it was. I also have hea= vy sheets aboard just in case it is really stormy. I installed a trigger tr= ipped end on the pole that makes the jibes faster, but the pole is not rigg= ed with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and re= place the lazy-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I h= ave not seen the need to put on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any= conditions. In heavy air we sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the rock a= nd rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for jibes.

I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute = on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could= get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with= Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage.

With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe = (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but= it as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly= every time, but it never really goes haywire either.

I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases, s= ince the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't = get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great f= or forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slow down the douse if it hangs up (us= ually because of a "foot-cleat" in the cockpit).

Edgar Smith
Pachyderm

--_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED4681Fmbx032w1co2exch03_-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 24 13:48:16 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:48:16 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? In-Reply-To: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED4681F@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> References: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED4681F@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541998FFAE@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA73D.8A175561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Edgar =20 We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. Also race primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when we race the Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do dip pole. We were planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is a C&C 99. It has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the same. Also has a J+1 pole. It always does end for end despite having a slightly larger spin =20 Mike =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: Edgar Smith Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? =20 Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light sheets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety we use is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it is really stormy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes the jibes faster, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and replace the lazy-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I have not seen the need to put on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any conditions. In heavy air we sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for jibes.=20 I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage. With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but it as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every time, but it never really goes haywire either.=20 I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases, since the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great for forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slow down the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the cockpit). Edgar Smith Pachyderm ________________________________ =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA73D.8A175561 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Edgar

We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. = Also race primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be = sailing when we race the Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets = and can only do dip pole. We were planning end for end on the = Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is a C&C 99. It = has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the same. = Also has a J+1 pole. It always does end for end despite having a = slightly larger spin

Mike

From:= = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar = Smith
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: Edgar = Smith
Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or = guys?

= Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light = sheets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety = we use is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but = don't know what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it = is really stormy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that = makes the jibes faster, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we = wouldn't be able end for end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we = remove and replace the lazy-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a = .5 chute and I have not seen the need to put on a lighter sheet than the = flight-line in any conditions. In heavy air we sometime sheet using the = lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the rock and rolling but = we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for jibes.

I = used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute = on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it = could get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I = agree with Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an = advantage.

With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to = set-up for the jibe (running the lazy guy forward and raising the = inboard end for the dip), but it as fast and more controlled once you = are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every time, but it never really goes = haywire either.

I also found the twing system on my J-29 was = hard on the stanchion bases, since the twinged sheet didn't run = perfectly fair especially when it didn't get set fully, stressing the = stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great for forward hatch douses, = but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slow down the douse if it = hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the = cockpit).

Edgar Smith
Pachyderm

------_=_NextPart_001_01CFA73D.8A175561-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 24 14:09:25 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:09:25 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541998FFAE@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED4681F@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541998FFAE@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: --=-HidGtnnbeTl7owyQnb6C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Edgar made a point that I forgot to mention. Having the lazy guy available = to help pull the chute down on the douse is a big advantage. We always dous= e into the fore hatch so that=B4s a critical factor for us. =20 Dave Wolverine =20 David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:48 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? =20 Thanks Edgar =20 We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. Also race p= rimarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when we race the= Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do dip pole. We were= planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is= a C&C 99. It has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the sam= e. Also has a J+1 pole. It always does end for end despite having a sligh= tly larger spin =20 Mike =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Cc: Edgar Smith Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? =20 Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light she= ets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety we use= is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know= what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it is really sto= rmy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes the jibes fas= ter, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for= end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and replace the laz= y-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I have not seen = the need to put on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any conditions. = In heavy air we sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chu= te and dampen the rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take= it back up for jibes.=20 I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute = on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could= get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with= Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage. With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe = (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but= it as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly= every time, but it never really goes haywire either.=20 I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases, s= ince the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't = get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great f= or forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slo= w down the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the c= ockpit). Edgar Smith Pachyderm= --=-HidGtnnbeTl7owyQnb6C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Edgar mad= e a point that I forgot to mention. Having the lazy guy available to help p= ull the chute down on the douse is a big advantage. We always douse into th= e fore hatch so that’s a critical factor for us.

Dave
Wolverine

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From: frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:48 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or= guys?

Thanks Edgar

We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. Als= o race primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when= we race the Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do d= ip pole. We were planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we o= ccasionally race on is a C&C 99. It has I measurement one foot mo= re than F33 and J about the same. Also has a J+1 pole. It alway= s does end for end despite having a slightly larger spin<= /p>

Mike
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com= [mailto:frers-list-a= dmin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent:= Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: Edgar Sm= ith
Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys?<= /p>

Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ult= ra-light sheets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes va= riety we use is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before bu= t don't know what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it i= s really stormy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes t= he jibes faster, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be = able end for end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and rep= lace the lazy-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I ha= ve not seen the need to put on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any = conditions. In heavy air we sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabi= lize the chute and dampen the rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attac= hed and take it back up for jibes.

I used twings and end-for-ended = on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute on the Frers 33 is big enough wi= th our smallish foredeck crew that it could get tough to re-attach the pole= to the mast on a windier day. I agree with Dave that doing the same maneuv= er every time is also an advantage.

With a dip-pole set-up, it takes= a little more time to set-up for the jibe (running the lazy guy forward an= d raising the inboard end for the dip), but it as fast and more controlled = once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every time, but it never really= goes haywire either.

I also found the twing system on my J-29 was = hard on the stanchion bases, since the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly f= air especially when it didn't get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Havin= g the lazy guy is also great for forward hatch douses, but having to let th= e extra lazy sheet run can slow down the douse if it hangs up (usually beca= use of a "foot-cleat" in the cockpit).

Edgar Smith
Pach= yderm

= --=-HidGtnnbeTl7owyQnb6C-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 24 18:06:40 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Joyce Oberdorf) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:06:40 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541998FFAE@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_L1YQ6F3AOutduqRE1EuSAw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Great dialogue and very thorough. Checkmate converted from a dip pole to an end for end (carbon fiber). Makes a huge difference, as before, everything got caught up on the bow cleat consistently. Still use sheets and guys as well as light sheets, as Edgar outlined. Joyce On 7/24/14 8:48 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: > Thanks Edgar > > We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. Also race > primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when we race the > Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do dip pole. We were > planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is a > C&C 99. It has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the same. > Also has a J+1 pole. It always does end for end despite having a slightly > larger spin > > Mike > > > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Cc: Edgar Smith > Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? > > > Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light sheets > which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety we use is > called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know what > it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it is really stormy. I > installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes the jibes faster, but > the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for end with > the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and replace the lazy-guy if the > wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I have not seen the need to put > on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any conditions. In heavy air we > sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the > rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for > jibes. > > I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute on > the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could get > tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with Dave > that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage. > > With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe > (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but it > as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every > time, but it never really goes haywire either. > > I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases, > since the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't > get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great for > forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slow down > the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the cockpit). > > Edgar Smith > Pachyderm > > > > --Boundary_(ID_L1YQ6F3AOutduqRE1EuSAw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? Great dialogue and very thorough.
Checkmate converted from a dip pole to an end for end (carbon fiber). Makes a huge difference, as before, everything got caught up on the bow cleat consistently. Still use sheets and guys as well as light sheets, as Edgar outlined.
Joyce

On 7/24/14 8:48 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:

Thanks Edgar

We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. Also race primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when we race the Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do dip pole. We were planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is a C&C 99. It has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the same. Also has a J+1 pole. It always does end for end despite having a slightly larger spin

Mike

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: Edgar Smith
Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys?

Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light sheets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety we use is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it is really stormy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes the jibes faster, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and replace the lazy-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I have not seen the need to put on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any conditions. In heavy air we sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for jibes.

I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage.

With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but it as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every time, but it never really goes haywire either.

I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases, since the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great for forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slow down the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the cockpit).

Edgar Smith
Pachyderm

--Boundary_(ID_L1YQ6F3AOutduqRE1EuSAw)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Jul 24 18:06:40 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Joyce Oberdorf) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:06:40 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541998FFAE@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_V4bXXubdxC/b3nJhsURd+A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Great dialogue and very thorough. Checkmate converted from a dip pole to an end for end (carbon fiber). Makes a huge difference, as before, everything got caught up on the bow cleat consistently. Still use sheets and guys as well as light sheets, as Edgar outlined. Joyce On 7/24/14 8:48 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: > Thanks Edgar > > We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. Also race > primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when we race the > Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do dip pole. We were > planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is a > C&C 99. It has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the same. > Also has a J+1 pole. It always does end for end despite having a slightly > larger spin > > Mike > > > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Cc: Edgar Smith > Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? > > > Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light sheets > which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety we use is > called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know what > it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it is really stormy. I > installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes the jibes faster, but > the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for end with > the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and replace the lazy-guy if the > wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I have not seen the need to put > on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any conditions. In heavy air we > sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the > rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for > jibes. > > I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute on > the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could get > tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with Dave > that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage. > > With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe > (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but it > as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every > time, but it never really goes haywire either. > > I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases, > since the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't > get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great for > forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slow down > the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the cockpit). > > Edgar Smith > Pachyderm > > > > --Boundary_(ID_V4bXXubdxC/b3nJhsURd+A) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? Great dialogue and very thorough.
Checkmate converted from a dip pole to an end for end (carbon fiber). Makes a huge difference, as before, everything got caught up on the bow cleat consistently. Still use sheets and guys as well as light sheets, as Edgar outlined.
Joyce

On 7/24/14 8:48 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:

Thanks Edgar

We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. Also race primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when we race the Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do dip pole. We were planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is a C&C 99. It has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the same. Also has a J+1 pole. It always does end for end despite having a slightly larger spin

Mike

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: Edgar Smith
Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys?

Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light sheets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety we use is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it is really stormy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes the jibes faster, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and replace the lazy-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I have not seen the need to put on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any conditions. In heavy air we sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for jibes.

I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage.

With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but it as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every time, but it never really goes haywire either.

I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases, since the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great for forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slow down the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the cockpit).

Edgar Smith
Pachyderm

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