From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Nov 5 12:41:58 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:41:58 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Anchor Roller Message-ID: <001c01cff8f5$e35c59b0$aa150d10$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CFF8D4.5C4AB9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, Does anyone have an anchor roller that was fitted onto the original stem head fitting on the Frers 33. I am looking to fit one on but don't want to modify the current stem head casting/fitting. Email StrightR@eastlink.ca Regards Rod Stright Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CFF8D4.5C4AB9B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys,

 

Does anyone = have an anchor roller that was fitted onto the original stem head = fitting on the Frers 33.  I am looking to fit one on but = don’t want to modify the current stem head casting/fitting.  = Email StrightR@eastlink.ca

 

Regards

Rod = Stright

Equinox

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--047d7b339f1f0dc3f60507997f0b-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Nov 19 12:22:38 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 08:22:38 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder post angle Message-ID: <001501d003f3$82198070$864c8150$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D003D1.FB087CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, Just wondering if anyone has the angle that the rudder post makes with the top of the rudder. Just checking to see if mine is slightly bent. Rod Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D003D1.FB087CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys,

 

Just = wondering if anyone has the angle that the rudder post makes with the = top of the rudder.  Just checking to see if mine is slightly = bent.

 

Rod

Equinox

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D003D1.FB087CB0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Nov 19 17:22:53 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:22:53 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder post angle In-Reply-To: <001501d003f3$82198070$864c8150$@eastlink.ca> References: <001501d003f3$82198070$864c8150$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <939F9BA4-0FF9-4AF3-8BC4-1C7C5B67EF12@videotron.ca> --Boundary_(ID_B8saiKgSWotDH2W7rY5eZA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On this subject, I bounced over some rocks this fall & now have about 1/32" of fore-to-aft only play in my rudder, & a small, cosmetic ding in the bottom. Rudder & post are solid, it's rudder & post assembly that moves a bit in the housing. Can someone tell me what is required to correct? Tks guys, Bill Thompson Montreal 514 942-6709 > On Nov 19, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Rod Stright wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > Just wondering if anyone has the angle that the rudder post makes with the top of the rudder. Just checking to see if mine is slightly bent. > > Rod > Equinox --Boundary_(ID_B8saiKgSWotDH2W7rY5eZA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
On this subject, I bounced over some rocks this fall & now have about 1/32" of fore-to-aft only play in my rudder, & a small, cosmetic ding in the bottom.

Rudder & post are solid, it's rudder & post assembly that moves a bit in the housing.

Can someone tell me what is required to correct?

Tks guys,

Bill Thompson
Montreal
514 942-6709

On Nov 19, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:

Hi Guys,

 

Just wondering if anyone has the angle that the rudder post makes with the top of the rudder.  Just checking to see if mine is slightly bent.

 

Rod

Equinox

--Boundary_(ID_B8saiKgSWotDH2W7rY5eZA)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Nov 20 02:59:37 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 02:59:37 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder problem Message-ID: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED7F749@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> --_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED7F749mbx032w1co2exch03_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill: The bearings on Pachyderm rudder are 5 inch sections of tube that fit snugl= y over the rudder shaft top and bottom. I'm not sure of the material they a= re made of but something hard and slick like teflon. The bottom bearing was= bonded in place inside the rudder tube. To get it out my yard had to chip = away gel coat after the rudder was dropped and re-bond the new one in place= . My guess is that during your encounter with the rock, you fractured the b= ond holding the lower bearing in place and the shaft and bearing are now mo= ving inside the rudder tube. I'd say this is a professional job to get the alignment perfect unless you = know way more about glass repair than I do. I'd also suggest getting it fix= ed this winter. If continued use in the current condition results in scorin= g on the rudder post than you will likely need to replace the entire rudder= and bearings. Ed --_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED7F749mbx032w1co2exch03_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill:

The bearings on Pachyderm rudder are 5 inch sections of tube that fit snugl= y over the rudder shaft top and bottom. I'm not sure of the material they a= re made of but something hard and slick like teflon. The bottom bearing was= bonded in place inside the rudder tube. To get it out my yard had to chip away gel coat after the rudder was= dropped and re-bond the new one in place. My guess is that during your enc= ounter with the rock, you fractured the bond holding the lower bearing in p= lace and the shaft and bearing are now moving inside the rudder tube.

I'd say this is a professional job to get the alignment perfect unless you = know way more about glass repair than I do. I'd also suggest getting it fix= ed this winter. If continued use in the current condition results in scorin= g on the rudder post than you will likely need to replace the entire rudder and bearings.

Ed
--_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED7F749mbx032w1co2exch03_-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Nov 20 03:03:58 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:03:58 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder problem In-Reply-To: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED7F749@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> References: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED7F749@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> Message-ID: <610275DE-F221-49A3-B2AA-75B58D230D49@videotron.ca> --Boundary_(ID_pbqf1jd49qXgfsFLvXIXeg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks Ed. I have a pro who's good at this stuff. He recordd my decks when I bought the boat. Will get him on it Best, Bill 514 942-6709 > On Nov 19, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Edgar Smith wrote: > > Bill: > > The bearings on Pachyderm rudder are 5 inch sections of tube that fit snugly over the rudder shaft top and bottom. I'm not sure of the material they are made of but something hard and slick like teflon. The bottom bearing was bonded in place inside the rudder tube. To get it out my yard had to chip away gel coat after the rudder was dropped and re-bond the new one in place. My guess is that during your encounter with the rock, you fractured the bond holding the lower bearing in place and the shaft and bearing are now moving inside the rudder tube. > > I'd say this is a professional job to get the alignment perfect unless you know way more about glass repair than I do. I'd also suggest getting it fixed this winter. If continued use in the current condition results in scoring on the rudder post than you will likely need to replace the entire rudder and bearings. > > Ed --Boundary_(ID_pbqf1jd49qXgfsFLvXIXeg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Thanks Ed. I have a pro who's good at this stuff. He recordd my decks when I bought the boat.  Will get him on it

Best,

Bill 
514 942-6709

On Nov 19, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Edgar Smith <Edgar@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote:

Bill:

The bearings on Pachyderm rudder are 5 inch sections of tube that fit snugly over the rudder shaft top and bottom. I'm not sure of the material they are made of but something hard and slick like teflon. The bottom bearing was bonded in place inside the rudder tube. To get it out my yard had to chip away gel coat after the rudder was dropped and re-bond the new one in place. My guess is that during your encounter with the rock, you fractured the bond holding the lower bearing in place and the shaft and bearing are now moving inside the rudder tube.

I'd say this is a professional job to get the alignment perfect unless you know way more about glass repair than I do. I'd also suggest getting it fixed this winter. If continued use in the current condition results in scoring on the rudder post than you will likely need to replace the entire rudder and bearings.

Ed
--Boundary_(ID_pbqf1jd49qXgfsFLvXIXeg)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Nov 20 10:35:03 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 06:35:03 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder problem In-Reply-To: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED7F749@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> References: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED7F749@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> Message-ID: <000601d004ad$a5310190$ef9304b0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D0048C.1E21AB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bill, On Equinox the lower bearing was no longer bonded in place and the upper bearing was bonded in place with epoxy. When I dropped the rudder the lower bushing dropped out so it was loose for some time and wore the inside of the rudder tube slightly. Both bushings were 2.5" in length. When I did drop the rudder there was extensive corrosion (pictures on request) at the top of the aluminum rudder stock where the stock enters the rudder. This was not visible until the rudder was dropped as there is a nylon washer between the rudder and the hull. Apparently the corrosion was due to the interaction between the VC Offshore (copper) and the aluminum rudder stock and not from the salt water as you might expect. Rod From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: November-19-14 11:00 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Rudder problem Bill: The bearings on Pachyderm rudder are 5 inch sections of tube that fit snugly over the rudder shaft top and bottom. I'm not sure of the material they are made of but something hard and slick like teflon. The bottom bearing was bonded in place inside the rudder tube. To get it out my yard had to chip away gel coat after the rudder was dropped and re-bond the new one in place. My guess is that during your encounter with the rock, you fractured the bond holding the lower bearing in place and the shaft and bearing are now moving inside the rudder tube. I'd say this is a professional job to get the alignment perfect unless you know way more about glass repair than I do. I'd also suggest getting it fixed this winter. If continued use in the current condition results in scoring on the rudder post than you will likely need to replace the entire rudder and bearings. Ed ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D0048C.1E21AB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Bill,

 

On Equinox the lower bearing was no longer = bonded in place and the upper bearing was bonded in place with = epoxy.  When I dropped the rudder the lower bushing dropped out so = it was loose for some time and wore the inside of the rudder tube = slightly.  Both bushings were 2.5” in length.  When I = did drop the rudder there was extensive corrosion (pictures on request) = at the top of the aluminum rudder stock where the stock enters the = rudder.  This was not visible until the rudder was dropped as there = is a nylon washer between the rudder and the hull.  Apparently the = corrosion was due to the interaction between the VC Offshore (copper) = and the aluminum rudder stock and not from the salt water as you might = expect. 

 

Rod

 

From:<= /b> = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar = Smith
Sent: November-19-14 11:00 PM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rudder = problem

 

Bi= ll:

The bearings on Pachyderm rudder are 5 inch sections of tube = that fit snugly over the rudder shaft top and bottom. I'm not sure of = the material they are made of but something hard and slick like teflon. = The bottom bearing was bonded in place inside the rudder tube. To get it = out my yard had to chip away gel coat after the rudder was dropped and = re-bond the new one in place. My guess is that during your encounter = with the rock, you fractured the bond holding the lower bearing in place = and the shaft and bearing are now moving inside the rudder tube. =

I'd say this is a professional job to get the alignment perfect = unless you know way more about glass repair than I do. I'd also suggest = getting it fixed this winter. If continued use in the current condition = results in scoring on the rudder post than you will likely need to = replace the entire rudder and = bearings.

Ed

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