From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 1 13:32:44 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:32:44 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Message-ID: --part1_bb2e4.255589cb.415d4e6c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging. Jack Greifzu (Slingshot) =20 =20 In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com writes: =20 Hi=20 I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge reading= s=20 rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that Loo= s=20 makes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give= a=20 different number.=20 Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for=20 uppers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers= but if=20 possible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension= =20 gauge? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be ni= ce as=20 well because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings= =20 as well. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds =E2=80=A6.= =20 Thanks =20 Mike --part1_bb2e4.255589cb.415d4e6c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD=20 rigging.
Jack Greifzu (Slingshot)
 
In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com writes:

Hi=

 

I notic= ed on the=20 tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings rather than th= e=20 translated numbers in pounds.  I have also noted that Loos makes se= veral=20 models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a different=20 number.

 

Would= it be=20 possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for uppers, lowers,= =20 intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if possible= also=20 the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge? = If=20 anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nice as well= =20 because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings as= =20 well.  Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds=20 =E2=80=A6.

 

Thanks&= nbsp;=20

 

Mike

= --part1_bb2e4.255589cb.415d4e6c_boundary-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 1 13:57:12 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (straight) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:57:12 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension Message-ID: <003201cfdd77$381b8c90$a852a5b0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFDD5E.12CEC9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike, As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. The Loos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging. The procedure is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the side) then hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate. The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds. As far as I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loose gauges. The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs is probably a reflection of the type of sailing done, competition and local conditions. Info on the gauge used is available at http://loosnaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge. I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings if they are used properly. Rod Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFDD5E.12CEC9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mike,

 

As I = mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging.  = The Loos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod = Rigging.  The procedure is to measure the rod on the instrument = (calibration is on the side) then hook on the guage and check the rig = tension and adjust as appropriate.  The numbers are a lot simpler = to keep track of than the pounds.  As far as I know the readings = are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loose gauges.  The = reason for the variation in tension on different rigs is probably a = reflection  of the type of sailing done, competition and local = conditions.  Info on the gauge used is available at  http://lo= osnaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge.

 

I believe = all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings if they = are used properly.

 

Rod

Equinox =

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFDD5E.12CEC9C0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 1 16:04:25 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 11:04:25 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-12-76968772 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Mike: Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came = from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier = to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and = centered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter = of sighting up the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a = few turns with a wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the = mast in column at the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a = bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward = upper does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any = value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back = by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast = bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and = making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with = mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge = if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I = haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really = on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the = uppers before a race.=20 Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? Edgar Smith Pachyderm --Apple-Mail-12-76968772 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi = Mike:

Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always = good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll find the = Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay length and = rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then = the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. = First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand = tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the dock = keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the = uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go = particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more = tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than = an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. = So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some = adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight - = minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, = hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need = for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two = turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a = race. 

Does anybody take a more scientific = approach than we do?


Edgar = Smith

Wolverine= uses Euler’s Equations to compute rig tension, but sighting up the m= ast is good too.

&nb= sp;

David Nauber
President
Class=E9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&= ;W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | t= witter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins

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 =

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.c= om [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Sm= ith
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM
To: frer= s-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

Hi Mike:

 =

Sounds like you'll be racing your= boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll fi= nd the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay length an= d rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then th= e shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. Firs= t we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tight. Th= en I work down, keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping the intermed= iates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight = enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderate br= eeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds = are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore= and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a s= ail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight wit= h mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge i= f the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't se= en the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might t= ake two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a rac= e. 

 

Does anybody take a more scientific approa= ch than we do?

 

 

Edgar Smith<= o:p>

Pachyderm

= --=-1AN0/0pI5zGepC6qJuqZ-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 14:00:44 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:00:44 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <20141002050301.5D5F061ADD@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20141002050301.5D5F061ADD@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <43E5DD9F-82B2-4A4B-A8A9-FFE4D9F959EE@geomatrixproductions.com> --Apple-Mail-3-155947873 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you = keep beating us. Guess we're just old school. By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug = regatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm = together aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a = first overall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is = currently tied for first place against in the Eastern Connecticut = Sailing Association overall results. Bring it on Wolverine! Edgar Smith Geomatrix Productions www.geomatrixproductions.com edgar@geomatrixproductions.com Work - (203) 389-0001 Fax- (203) 387-8558 Cell/evening (203) 215-5405 On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:03 AM, wrote: > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to > frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. Re: Rig tensions (Comodore2@aol.com) > 2. Rig Tension (straight) > 3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith) > 4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave Nauber) >=20 > From: > Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions > Reply-To: >=20 >=20 > Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging. > Jack Greifzu (Slingshot) > =20 > In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com writes: > Hi > =20 > I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge = readings rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also = noted that Loos makes several models of these tension gauges and each = would likely give a different number. > =20 > Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for = uppers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers = but if possible also the translated pounds value and the model of your = tension gauge? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that = would be nice as well because if it differs from boat to boat it would = affect the readings as well. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion = pounds =85. > =20 > Thanks=20 > =20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: straight > Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT > To: > Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension > Reply-To: >=20 >=20 > Hi Mike, > =20 > As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. = The Loos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod = Rigging. The procedure is to measure the rod on the instrument = (calibration is on the side) then hook on the guage and check the rig = tension and adjust as appropriate. The numbers are a lot simpler to = keep track of than the pounds. As far as I know the readings are = similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loose gauges. The reason = for the variation in tension on different rigs is probably a reflection = of the type of sailing done, competition and local conditions. Info on = the gauge used is available at = http://loosnaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge. > =20 > I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same = readings if they are used properly. > =20 > Rod > Equinox >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Edgar Smith > Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT > To: > Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions > Reply-To: >=20 >=20 > Hi Mike: >=20 > Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also = came from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually = easier to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning = guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just = a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. First we tension the = uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, = keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping the intermediates and = lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight enough that = the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I = don't see any value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds are = not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore = and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a = sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight = with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to = judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I = haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really = on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the = uppers before a race.=20 >=20 > Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? >=20 >=20 > Edgar Smith > Pachyderm >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Dave Nauber > Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT > To: > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions > Reply-To: >=20 >=20 > Wolverine uses Euler=92s Equations to compute rig tension, but = sighting up the mast is good too. > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=E9 >=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd. >=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions > =20 > Hi Mike: > =20 > Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also = came from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually = easier to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning = guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just = a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. First we tension the = uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, = keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping the intermediates and = lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight enough that = the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I = don't see any value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds are = not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore = and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a = sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight = with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to = judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I = haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really = on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the = uppers before a race.=20 > =20 > Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? > =20 > =20 > Edgar Smith > Pachyderm >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 --Apple-Mail-3-155947873 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Damn = Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep = beating us. Guess we're just old school.

By the way, = we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug regatta. = We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm together = aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first = overall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is currently = tied for first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing = Association overall results. Bring it on Wolverine!


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  1. Re: = Rig tensions (Comodore2@aol.com)
  2. Rig Tension = (straight)
  3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith)
=   4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave Nauber)

From: = <Comodore2@aol.com>
Date: = October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT
To: = <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: = Re: [frers-list]Rig = tensions

Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD=20= rigging.
Jack Greifzu (Slingshot)
 
In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com writes:

Hi

 

I = noticed on the=20 tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings rather than = the=20 translated numbers in pounds.  I have also noted that Loos makes = several=20 models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a different=20= number.

 

Would = it be=20 possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for uppers, = lowers,=20 intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if = possible also=20 the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge?  = If=20 anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nice as = well=20 because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings = as=20 well.  Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds=20 =85.

 

Thanks =20

 

Mike


<= br>
From: = straight = <StrightR@eastlink.ca>
Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT
To: = <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: = [frers-list]Rig Tension

Hi = Mike,

 

As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped = with Rod Rigging.  The Loos Gauge required is one that is made and = calibrated for Rod Rigging.  The procedure is to measure the rod on = the instrument (calibration is on the side) then hook on the guage and = check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate.  The numbers are a = lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds.  As far as I know the = readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loose = gauges.  The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs = is probably a reflection  of the type of sailing done, competition = and local conditions.  Info on the gauge used is available at =  http://loo= snaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge.

 

I = believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings = if they are used properly.

 

Rod

Equinox =




From: Edgar Smith = <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>
Date: = October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT
To: = <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: = [frers-list]Rig tensions
Reply-To: = <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>

Hi = Mike:

Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always = good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll find the = Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay length and = rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then = the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. = First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand = tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the dock = keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the = uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go = particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more = tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than = an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. = So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some = adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight - = minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, = hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need = for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two = turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a = race. 

Does anybody take a more scientific = approach than we do?


Edgar = Smith
From: = Dave Nauber = <dnauber@classeaudio.com>
Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT
To: = <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: = RE: [frers-list]Rig = tensions
Reply-To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>

Wolverine uses Euler=92s Equations to compute rig = tension, but sighting up the mast is good too.

 

David Nauber
President
Class=E9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group = Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: = facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | = youtube.com/bowerswilkins

This email message is confidential and for use = by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part = in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) = is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd = does not accept responsibility for any changes made to this message = after it was sent. The views expressed in this document are that of the = individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement = or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.

 

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar = Smith
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rig = tensions

 

Hi = Mike:

 

Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good = to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers = mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay length and rake = from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then the = shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. = First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand = tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the dock = keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the = uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go = particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more = tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than = an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. = So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some = adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight - = minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, = hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need = for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two = turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a = race. 

 

Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we = do?

 

 

Edgar = Smith

Pachyderm

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= --Apple-Mail-3-155947873-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 14:05:46 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:05:46 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <43E5DD9F-82B2-4A4B-A8A9-FFE4D9F959EE@geomatrixproductions.com> References: <20141002050301.5D5F061ADD@mailman.siteprotect.com> <43E5DD9F-82B2-4A4B-A8A9-FFE4D9F959EE@geomatrixproductions.com> Message-ID: <6fe82ba0-dfb6-4deb-a0dc-5e4bc8892252@classeaudio.com> --=-2pn+O700y+9rIMe5rFH1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That=B4s great Edgar, thanks. I look forward to seeing the super-group out = there. Bring your slide rule! =20 DN =20 David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:01 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions =20 Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep = beating us. Guess we're just old school. =20 By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug re= gatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm toge= ther aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first = overall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is currently tied= for first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association ove= rall results. Bring it on Wolverine! =20 Edgar Smith Geomatrix Productions www.geomatrixproductions.com edgar@geomatrixproductions.com Work - (203) 389-0001 Fax- (203) 387-8558 Cell/evening (203) 215-5405=20 =20 On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:03 AM, wrote: Send frers-list mailing list submissions to =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo= /frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rig tensions (Comodore2@aol.com) 2. Rig Tension (straight) 3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith) 4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave Nauber) From: Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT To: Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: =20 Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging. Jack Greifzu (Slingshot) =20 In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoyt@= impgroup.com writes: Hi =20 I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings = rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that Loos = makes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a d= ifferent number. =20 Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for uppers= , lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if po= ssible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge= ? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nice as w= ell because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings as= well. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds .... =20 Thanks =20 =20 Mike From: straight Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT To: Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension Reply-To: Hi Mike, =20 As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. The L= oos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging. The= procedure is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the s= ide) then hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropr= iate. The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds. As = far as I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging = Loose gauges. The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs is= probably a reflection of the type of sailing done, competition and local = conditions. Info on the gauge used is available at http://loosnaples.com/= tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge. =20 I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings = if they are used properly. =20 Rod Equinox=20 From: Edgar Smith Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT To: Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: =20 Hi Mike: =20 Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came fr= om a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu= ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered = the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting u= p the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a= wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at t= he dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the upp= ers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particular= ly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than tha= t. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you a= re not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a = matter of going for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight = under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so = it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending = in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze = is really on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on = the uppers before a race.=20 =20 Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? =20 =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm From: Dave Nauber Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT To: Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: Wolverine uses Euler=B4s Equations to compute rig tension, but sighting up = the mast is good too.=20 =20 David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions =20 Hi Mike: =20 Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came fr= om a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu= ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered = the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting u= p the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a= wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at t= he dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the upp= ers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particular= ly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than tha= t. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you a= re not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a = matter of going for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight = under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so = it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending = in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze = is really on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on = the uppers before a race.=20 =20 Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? =20 =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list= --=-2pn+O700y+9rIMe5rFH1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That̵= 7;s great Edgar, thanks. I look forward to seeing the super-group out there= . Bring your slide rule!

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DN=

 

David Nauber
President
Class=E9

= C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois= Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lis= ts.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: Thursday, O= ctober 02, 2014 9:01 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Su= bject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

Damn Dave, we'= ve been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep beating us. Gu= ess we're just old school.

&nb= sp;

By the way, we've put together= a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug regatta. We've got the captains = of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm together aboard Pachyderm to see i= f we can screw up Dave's chances for a first overall in ECSA. For those out= side of our area, Wolverine is currently tied for first place against in th= e Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association overall results. Bring it on Wolv= erine!

 

 

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Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT

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Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD riggi= ng.

Jack Greifzu (S= lingshot)

 

In a message da= ted 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com writes:

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Hi

<= span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'> 

I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge re= adings rather than the translated numbers in pounds.  I have also note= d that Loos makes several models of these tension gauges and each would lik= ely give a different number.

 =

Would it be possible to replay with not only the= numbers you use for uppers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tens= ion gauge numbers but if possible also the translated pounds value and the = model of your tension gauge?  If anyone knows the diameter of rod used= in each that would be nice as well because if it differs from boat to boat= it would affect the readings as well.  Our former J boat rig tuning g= uide was ion pounds ….

 =

Thanks 

&= nbsp;

Mike



From: straight <Str= ightR@eastlink.ca>

Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT

To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>

Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension=




Hi Mike,=

 

As I mentioned previously the Frers 33= is equipped with Rod Rigging.  The Loos Gauge required is one that is= made and calibrated for Rod Rigging.  The procedure is to measure the= rod on the instrument (calibration is on the side) then hook on the guage = and check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate.  The numbers are = a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds.  As far as I know the = readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loose gauges. = ; The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs is probably a r= eflection  of the type of sailing done, competition and local conditio= ns.  Info on the gauge used is available at  http://loosnaples.com/tensio= n-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge.

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I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the sam= e readings if they are used properly.

 

Rod

Equinox



<= span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>From: = Edgar Smith <edg= ar@geomatrixproductions.com>

Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT

Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

Hi Mike:

 

Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also c= ame from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier= to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and cen= tered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sigh= ting up the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns = with a wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in = column at the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser t= han the uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does n= ot go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more = tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than an f= ew inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it'= s really just a matter of going for a sail and making some adjustments to k= eep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay a= nd runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off = or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finall= y if the breeze is really on we might take two turns on the headstay and on= e extra turn on the uppers before a race. 

 

Doe= s anybody take a more scientific approach than we do?

<= div>

 

 

E= dgar Smith

Pachyderm



<= /o:p>

From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com>

Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 A= M EDT

To: <= span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= /a>>

Subject: RE: [fr= ers-list]Rig tensions




Wolverine = uses Euler’s Equations to compute rig tension, but sighting up the ma= st is good too.

 

= David Nauber
President
Class=E9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&= W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

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From: frers-l= ist-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of = Edgar Smith
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM
= To: frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions=

 

Hi Mike:

 

<= /div>

Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, alwa= ys good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frer= s mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from= the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds w= ere just a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. First we tensio= n the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tight. Then I work d= own, keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping the intermediates and l= owers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight enough that= the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don= 't see any value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swe= pt back by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft ma= st bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and mak= ing some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast stra= ight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast = is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need= for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two tur= ns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a race. 

 

Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we = do?

 

 

= Edgar Smith

Pachyd= erm


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= --=-2pn+O700y+9rIMe5rFH1-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 14:05:24 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:05:24 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <43E5DD9F-82B2-4A4B-A8A9-FFE4D9F959EE@geomatrixproductions.com> References: <20141002050301.5D5F061ADD@mailman.siteprotect.com> <43E5DD9F-82B2-4A4B-A8A9-FFE4D9F959EE@geomatrixproductions.com> Message-ID: <001e01cfde41$87bf1080$973d3180$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CFDE28.6275F730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good luck guys, make sure you support Dave in his quest, it is all about = the team. =20 Rod =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: October-02-14 10:01 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions =20 Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you = keep beating us. Guess we're just old school. =20 By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug regatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm together aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first overall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is = currently tied for first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing = Association overall results. Bring it on Wolverine! =20 Edgar Smith Geomatrix Productions www.geomatrixproductions.com =20 edgar@geomatrixproductions.com =20 Work - (203) 389-0001 Fax- (203) 387-8558 Cell/evening (203) 215-5405=20 =20 On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:03 AM, > wrote: Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com =20 To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com =20 You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =20 When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rig tensions (Comodore2@aol.com ) 2. Rig Tension (straight) 3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith) 4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave Nauber) From: > Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT To: = > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: > =20 Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging. Jack Greifzu (Slingshot) =20 In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com writes: Hi =20 I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge = readings rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that = Loos makes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give = a different number. =20 Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for = uppers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if possible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be = nice as well because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the = readings as well. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds =85. =20 Thanks =20 =20 Mike From: straight > Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT To: = > Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension Reply-To: > Hi Mike, =20 As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. = The Loos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging. = The procedure is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the side) then hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate. The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds. As far as I know the readings are similar if not identical on = all Rod Rigging Loose gauges. The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs is probably a reflection of the type of sailing done, competition and local conditions. Info on the gauge used is available = at http://loosnaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge. =20 I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same = readings if they are used properly. =20 Rod Equinox=20 From: Edgar Smith > Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT To: = > Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: > =20 Hi Mike: =20 Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier = to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and = centered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of = sighting up the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with = a wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at = the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the = uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than = that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you = are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it = straight under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on = so it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just = bending in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the = breeze is really on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn = on the uppers before a race.=20 =20 Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? =20 =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm From: Dave Nauber > Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT To: = > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: > Wolverine uses Euler=92s Equations to compute rig tension, but sighting = up the mast is good too.=20 =20 David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. The views = expressed in this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =20 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions =20 Hi Mike: =20 Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier = to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and = centered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of = sighting up the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with = a wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at = the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the = uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than = that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you = are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it = straight under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on = so it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just = bending in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the = breeze is really on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn = on the uppers before a race.=20 =20 Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? =20 =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com =20 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CFDE28.6275F730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good luck guys, make sure you support Dave in his quest, it is all = about the team.

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Rod

 

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To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig = tensions

 

Damn Dave, = we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep beating = us. Guess we're just old school.

 

By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group = for the Thundermug regatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, = Risoluto and Pachyderm together aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw = up Dave's chances for a first overall in ECSA. For those outside of our = area, Wolverine is currently tied for first place against in the Eastern = Connecticut Sailing Association overall results. Bring it on = Wolverine!

 

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edgar@geomatrixproductions= .com
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Date: = October = 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT

Subject: = Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

M= ike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD = rigging.

J= ack Greifzu (Slingshot)

&= nbsp;

I= n a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com = writes:

Hi

 

I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers = reported were the gauge readings rather than the translated numbers in = pounds.  I have also noted that Loos makes several models of these = tension gauges and each would likely give a different = number.

 

Would it be possible to replay with not only the = numbers you use for uppers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the = tension gauge numbers but if possible also the translated pounds value = and the model of your tension gauge?  If anyone knows the diameter = of rod used in each that would be nice as well because if it differs = from boat to boat it would affect the readings as well.  Our former = J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds ….

 

Thanks 

 

Mike



From: = straight = <StrightR@eastlink.ca><= o:p>

Date: = October = 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT

Subject: = [frers-list]Rig Tension




Hi Mike,=

 

As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped = with Rod Rigging.  The Loos Gauge required is one that is made and = calibrated for Rod Rigging.  The procedure is to measure the rod on = the instrument (calibration is on the side) then hook on the guage and = check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate.  The numbers are a = lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds.  As far as I know the = readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loose = gauges.  The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs = is probably a reflection  of the type of sailing done, competition = and local conditions.  Info on the gauge used is available at =  http://lo= osnaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge.

 

I believe = all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings if they = are used properly.

 

Rod

Equinox =



<= p class=3DMsoNormal>From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions= .com>

Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT

Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

Hi = Mike:

 

Sounds like you'll be racing your = boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll = find the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay = length and rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before = blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast = while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench = after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at = the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the = uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go = particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more = tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than = an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. = So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some = adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight - = minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, = hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need = for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two = turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a = race. 

 

Does = anybody take a more scientific approach than we = do?

 

 

Edgar Smith

Pachyderm



<= p class=3DMsoNormal>From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com>

Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT

Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions




Wolverine uses Euler’s Equations to compute rig tension, but = sighting up the mast is good too.

 

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To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

Hi = Mike:

 

Sounds like you'll be racing your = boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll = find the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay = length and rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before = blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast = while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench = after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at = the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the = uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go = particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more = tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than = an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. = So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some = adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight - = minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, = hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need = for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two = turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a = race. 

 

Does anybody take a more scientific = approach than we do?

 

 

Edgar Smith

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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CFDE28.6275F730-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 15:02:16 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:02:16 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <43E5DD9F-82B2-4A4B-A8A9-FFE4D9F959EE@geomatrixproductions.com> References: <20141002050301.5D5F061ADD@mailman.siteprotect.com> <43E5DD9F-82B2-4A4B-A8A9-FFE4D9F959EE@geomatrixproductions.com> Message-ID: <447567E9-E5E7-436F-B4B3-AE0AD8201406@videotron.ca> --Boundary_(ID_G7qOOLJ346aWwgRr6jxlzQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Way to go guys! Cheering for you in Montreal! Bill Thompson 514 942-6709 > On Oct 2, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Edgar Smith w= rote: >=20 > Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep= beating us. Guess we're just old school. >=20 > By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug r= egatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm toge= ther aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first o= verall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is currently tied f= or first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association overal= l results. Bring it on Wolverine! >=20 > Edgar Smith > Geomatrix Productions > www.geomatrixproductions.com > edgar@geomatrixproductions.com > Work - (203) 389-0001 > Fax- (203) 387-8558 > Cell/evening (203) 215-5405 >=20 > On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:03 AM, > wrote: >=20 >> Send frers-list mailing list submissions to >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>=20 >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com >>=20 >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com >>=20 >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." >>=20 >> Today's Topics: >>=20 >> 1. Re: Rig tensions (Comodore2@aol.com) >> 2. Rig Tension (straight) >> 3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith) >> 4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave Nauber) >>=20 >> From: >> Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT >> To: >> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions >> Reply-To: >>=20 >>=20 >> Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging. >> Jack Greifzu (Slingshot) >> =20 >> In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoy= t@impgroup.com writes: >> Hi >> =20 >> I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge reading= s rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that Loos= makes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a d= ifferent number. >> =20 >> Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for uppe= rs, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if p= ossible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge= ? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nice as we= ll because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings as w= ell. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds =E2=80=A6. >> =20 >> Thanks=20 >> =20 >> Mike >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: straight >> Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT >> To: >> Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension >> Reply-To: >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi Mike, >> =20 >> As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. The= Loos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging. Th= e procedure is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the s= ide) then hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropri= ate. The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds. As fa= r as I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loo= se gauges. The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs is pro= bably a reflection of the type of sailing done, competition and local condi= tions. Info on the gauge used is available at http://loosnaples.com/tensio= n-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge. >> =20 >> I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same reading= s if they are used properly. >> =20 >> Rod >> Equinox >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: Edgar Smith >> Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT >> To: >> Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions >> Reply-To: >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi Mike: >>=20 >> Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came f= rom a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu= ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered t= he mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up t= he mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wre= nch after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the do= ck keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. T= he goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slac= k in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Becau= se the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not co= ntrolling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of g= oing for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I= sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier t= o judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I ha= ven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we m= ight take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a= race.=20 >>=20 >> Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? >>=20 >>=20 >> Edgar Smith >> Pachyderm >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: Dave Nauber >> Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT >> To: >> Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions >> Reply-To: >>=20 >>=20 >> Wolverine uses Euler=E2=80=99s Equations to compute rig tension, but sigh= ting up the mast is good too. >> =20 >> David Nauber >> President >> Class=C3=A9 >>=20 >> C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com >> B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 >> Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowe= rs_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >>=20 >> This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Pub= lication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electr= onic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any chan= ges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this docu= ment are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply i= ts endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. >>=20 >> =20 >> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.f= rers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith >> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM >> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions >> =20 >> Hi Mike: >> =20 >> Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came f= rom a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu= ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered t= he mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up t= he mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wre= nch after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the do= ck keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. T= he goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slac= k in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Becau= se the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not co= ntrolling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of g= oing for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I= sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier t= o judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I ha= ven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we m= ight take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a= race.=20 >> =20 >> Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? >> =20 >> =20 >> Edgar Smith >> Pachyderm >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>=20 >=20 --Boundary_(ID_G7qOOLJ346aWwgRr6jxlzQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Way to go guys! Cheering for you in Mo= ntreal!

Bill Thompson
514 942-6709

On Oct 2, 2= 014, at 9:00 AM, Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote:

Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle.= No wonder you keep beating us. Guess we're just old school.

<= div>By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug= regatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm to= gether aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first= overall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is currently tied= for first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association over= all results. Bring it on Wolverine!

Edgar Smith
Geomatrix Productions
www.geomatrixproductions.com
edgar@geomatrixproductions.com
Work - (203= ) 389-0001
Fax- (203) 387-8558
Cell/evening (203) 215-5405

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=   3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith)
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<= span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(127, 127= , 127, 1.0);">Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT
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Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD=20 rigging.
Jack Greifzu (Slingshot)
 
In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com writes:=

Hi

 

<= span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">I noticed on the=20 tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings rather than the=20= translated numbers in pounds.  I have also noted that Loos makes seve= ral=20 models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a different=20 number.

 

<= span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">Would it be=20 possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for uppers, lowers,=20= intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if possible al= so=20 the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge?  If=20= anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nice as well=20= because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings as=20= well.  Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds=20 =E2=80=A6.

 

Thanks =20

 

Mike




From: <= /span>straight &l= t;StrightR@eastlink.ca>
Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT
<= /span>
Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension
<= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-= left: 0px;">Reply-To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>


=

Hi Mike,

 

As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. = The Loos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging.=   The procedure is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is= on the side) then hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as= appropriate.  The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the p= ounds.  As far as I know the readings are similar if not identical on a= ll Rod Rigging Loose gauges.  The reason for the variation in tension o= n different rigs is probably a reflection  of the type of sailing done,= competition and local conditions.  Info on the gauge used is available= at  http://loosnaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge.

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal"> 

I believe a= ll Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings if they are u= sed properly.

 

Rod

Equinox




From: Edgar Smith <= ;edgar@geomatrixproduction= s.com>
Date: October 1, 2014= 11:04:25 AM EDT
Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions=


=
Hi Mike:

Sounds like you'll b= e racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I thi= nk you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the foresta= y length and rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blockin= g. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under s= ail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tight.=  Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping the i= ntermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goal is t= ight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderat= e breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Because the shrou= ds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fo= re and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a s= ail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with= mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if t= he mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen t= he need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take t= wo turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a race.&nbs= p;

Does anybody take a more scientific approach tha= n we do?


Edgar Smith
Pachyderm


From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com>
Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions


Wolverine uses Euler=E2=80=99s Equations to compute rig tension, b= ut sighting up the mast is good too.

 

David Na= uber
Presi= dent
Class=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7= ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [= mailto:frers-list-admi= n@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: Wed= nesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [fre= rs-list]Rig tensions

 

Hi Mike:

 

So= unds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came from a= J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. W= e got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered the ma= st before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the m= ast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench a= fter hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the do= ck keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers.&n= bsp;The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly= slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. B= ecause the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are no= t controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter= of going for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under l= oad. I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is ea= sier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column= . I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really o= n we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers b= efore a race. 

&nb= sp;

Does anybody take a more scie= ntific approach than we do?

=  

 

=

Edgar Smith

Pachyderm



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= --Boundary_(ID_G7qOOLJ346aWwgRr6jxlzQ)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 15:29:45 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:29:45 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <001e01cfde41$87bf1080$973d3180$@eastlink.ca> References: <20141002050301.5D5F061ADD@mailman.siteprotect.com> <43E5DD9F-82B2-4A4B-A8A9-FFE4D9F959EE@geomatrixproductions.com> <001e01cfde41$87bf1080$973d3180$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: --=-MUtyuiFthYd5R3QFxX7q Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That=B4s right. Finish close behind, not in front! =20 David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:05 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions =20 Good luck guys, make sure you support Dave in his quest, it is all about th= e team. = = =20 Rod =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: October-02-14 10:01 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions =20 Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep = beating us. Guess we're just old school. =20 By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug re= gatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm toge= ther aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first = overall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is currently tied= for first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association ove= rall results. Bring it on Wolverine! =20 Edgar Smith Geomatrix Productions www.geomatrixproductions.com edgar@geomatrixproductions.com Work - (203) 389-0001 Fax- (203) 387-8558 Cell/evening (203) 215-5405=20 =20 On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:03 AM, wrote: =20 Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rig tensions (Comodore2@aol.com) 2. Rig Tension (straight) 3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith) 4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave Nauber) From: Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT To: Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: =20 Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging. Jack Greifzu (Slingshot) =20 In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoyt@= impgroup.com writes: Hi =20 I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings = rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that Loos = makes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a d= ifferent number. =20 Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for uppers= , lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if po= ssible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge= ? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nice as w= ell because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings as= well. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds .... =20 Thanks =20 =20 Mike =20 From: straight Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT To: Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension Reply-To: Hi Mike, =20 As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. The L= oos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging. The= procedure is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the s= ide) then hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropr= iate. The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds. As = far as I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging = Loose gauges. The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs is= probably a reflection of the type of sailing done, competition and local = conditions. Info on the gauge used is available at http://loosnaples.com/= tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge. =20 I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings = if they are used properly. =20 Rod Equinox=20 =20 From: Edgar Smith Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT To: Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: =20 Hi Mike: =20 Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came fr= om a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu= ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered = the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting u= p the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a= wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at t= he dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the upp= ers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particular= ly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than tha= t. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you a= re not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a = matter of going for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight = under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so = it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending = in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze = is really on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on = the uppers before a race.=20 =20 Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? =20 =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm =20 From: Dave Nauber Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT To: Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: Wolverine uses Euler=B4s Equations to compute rig tension, but sighting up = the mast is good too.=20 =20 David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions =20 Hi Mike: =20 Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came fr= om a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu= ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered = the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting u= p the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a= wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at t= he dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the upp= ers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particular= ly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than tha= t. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you a= re not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a = matter of going for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight = under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so = it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending = in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze = is really on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on = the uppers before a race.=20 =20 Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? =20 =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list =20 = --=-MUtyuiFthYd5R3QFxX7q Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That̵= 7;s right. Finish close behind, not in front!

 

David Nauber
President
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B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lach= ine | QC | H8T 1B3

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From:<= /b> frer= s-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] = On Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 = 9:05 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [= frers-list]Rig tensions

 

Good luck = guys, make sure you support Dave in his quest, it is all about the team.

  &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;  

Rod

 

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers= 33.com [mailto:fr= ers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: October-02-14 10:01 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re= : [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

<= span lang=3DEN-CA>Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. N= o wonder you keep beating us. Guess we're just old school.

 

By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thunderm= ug regatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm= together aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a f= irst overall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is currently= tied for first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Associatio= n overall results. Bring it on Wolverine!

 

Edgar Smith
Geomatrix Productions
www.geomatrixproductions.com
edgar@geomatrixprod= uctions.com
Work - (203) 389-0001
Fax- (203) 387-8558
Cel= l/evening (203) 215-5405

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From: <Comodore2@aol.com>

Date: <= /span>October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT<= o:p>

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Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensi= ons

 

Mike, Al gauges s= hown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging.=

Jack Greifzu (Slingshot= )

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In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com writes:<= /o:p>

Hi<= o:p>

&nbs= p;

I= noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings r= ather than the translated numbers in pounds.  I have also noted that L= oos makes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give= a different number.

 

Would it be possible to replay with not only the nu= mbers you use for uppers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension= gauge numbers but if possible also the translated pounds value and the mod= el of your tension gauge?  If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in= each that would be nice as well because if it differs from boat to boat it= would affect the readings as well.  Our former J boat rig tuning guid= e was ion pounds ….

 

Thanks 

 

<= span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Mike

<= /blockquote>

 

<= b>From: straight <StrightR@eastlink.ca>

Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT

=

Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension=



Hi Mike,

 

As I mentioned previou= sly the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging.  The Loos Gauge require= d is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging.  The procedure i= s to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the side) then ho= ok on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate.  = The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds.  As fa= r as I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Lo= ose gauges.  The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs= is probably a reflection  of the type of sailing done, competition an= d local conditions.  Info on the gauge used is available at  http://loosn= aples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge.

 

I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging w= ill give the same readings if they are used properly.

=

 

Rod

Equinox

 

From: Edgar= Smith <edgar@geomatri= xproductions.com>

Date: October 1,= 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT

=

Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

Hi Mike:

 

Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I= also came from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually= easier to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide = and centered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter = of sighting up the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few= turns with a wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the m= ast in column at the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit l= ooser than the uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper= does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value i= n more tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more th= an an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them.= So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some adjustmen= ts to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal bac= kstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falli= ng off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge.= Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two turns on the headstay= and one extra turn on the uppers before a race. 

 

Does anybody take a= more scientific approach than we do?

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

Edgar Smith=

Pa= chyderm

<= /div>

 

From: Dave Nauber <= dnauber@classeaudio.com>=

Date: Oc= tober 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT



Wolverine uses Euler’s Equations to compute rig tension, b= ut sighting up the mast is good too.

 

David Nauber
Presid= ent
Class=E9

C: 860-301-7011 | clas= seaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC= | H8T 1B3

Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins |= twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins

= This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any= changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in thi= s document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or= imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. =

 

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com= ] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: Wednesday, October 01= , 2014 11:04 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rig tens= ions

 

Hi Mike:

=  

Sounds like you'll be = racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I thin= k you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the foresta= y length and rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocki= ng. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under= sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tig= ht. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping t= he intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goa= l is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in = moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Because t= he shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not contr= olling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of go= ing for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. = I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier= to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I= haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on= we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers b= efore a race. 

 

Does anybody take a more scient= ific approach than we do?

&nb= sp;

 

Edgar Smith

Pachyderm=



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= --=-MUtyuiFthYd5R3QFxX7q-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 18:14:53 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:14:53 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Message-ID: <13EDE521-D00D-445E-A48E-4B64F20D12A7@geomatrixproductions.com> Way I see it, if Wolverine goes for a three-peat as ECSA champion, we'll = have to sit through another rating review this winter. So for the good = of the class, Dave, you really should take a dive on this one.. Just = sayin' Edgar Smith Pachyderm= From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 18:29:15 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:29:15 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <13EDE521-D00D-445E-A48E-4B64F20D12A7@geomatrixproductions.com> References: <13EDE521-D00D-445E-A48E-4B64F20D12A7@geomatrixproductions.com> Message-ID: <33bc5ab2-af48-48b8-a040-8c25a3d5e39b@classeaudio.com> I'm sure you can dust off the notes. It would be worth it. Just sayin'... David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:15 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Way I see it, if Wolverine goes for a three-peat as ECSA champion, we'll ha= ve to sit through another rating review this winter. So for the good of the= class, Dave, you really should take a dive on this one.. Just sayin' Edgar Smith Pachyderm_______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list = From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 18:40:24 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 14:40:24 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <13EDE521-D00D-445E-A48E-4B64F20D12A7@geomatrixproductions.com> References: <13EDE521-D00D-445E-A48E-4B64F20D12A7@geomatrixproductions.com> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419F61B24@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Move up here to Nova Scotia. The boat is 114 here -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:15 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions=20 Way I see it, if Wolverine goes for a three-peat as ECSA champion, we'll have to sit through another rating review this winter. So for the good of the class, Dave, you really should take a dive on this one.. Just sayin' Edgar Smith Pachyderm_______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 19:12:57 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:12:57 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419F61B24@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <13EDE521-D00D-445E-A48E-4B64F20D12A7@geomatrixproductions.com> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419F61B24@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <1B80F8D4-0432-4459-8322-C1258B0E7AFD@videotron.ca> Howdja do that? I took 7" off my keel, & put on a bulb & they gave me 114. A 3 sec allowance for mod-k Bill Thompson 514 942-6709 > On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > > Move up here to Nova Scotia. The boat is 114 here > > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:15 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions > > Way I see it, if Wolverine goes for a three-peat as ECSA champion, we'll > have to sit through another rating review this winter. So for the good > of the class, Dave, you really should take a dive on this one.. Just > sayin' > > Edgar Smith > Pachyderm_______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 20:03:16 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 16:03:16 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <447567E9-E5E7-436F-B4B3-AE0AD8201406@videotron.ca> References: <20141002050301.5D5F061ADD@mailman.siteprotect.com> <43E5DD9F-82B2-4A4B-A8A9-FFE4D9F959EE@geomatrixproductions.com> <447567E9-E5E7-436F-B4B3-AE0AD8201406@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <002a01cfde73$85fe13e0$91fa3ba0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CFDE5A.60B34CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don=E2=80=99t worry Dave =E2=80=9Ctoo many Captains spoil the = race=E2=80=9D =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson Sent: October-02-14 11:02 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions =20 Way to go guys! Cheering for you in Montreal! Bill Thompson 514 942-6709 On Oct 2, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Edgar Smith > wrote: Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you = keep beating us. Guess we're just old school. =20 By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug = regatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm = together aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a = first overall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is = currently tied for first place against in the Eastern Connecticut = Sailing Association overall results. Bring it on Wolverine! =20 Edgar Smith Geomatrix Productions www.geomatrixproductions.com =20 edgar@geomatrixproductions.com =20 Work - (203) 389-0001 Fax- (203) 387-8558 Cell/evening (203) 215-5405=20 =20 On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:03 AM, > wrote: Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com = =20 To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com = =20 You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = =20 When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rig tensions (Comodore2@aol.com ) 2. Rig Tension (straight) 3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith) 4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave Nauber) From: > Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT To: = > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: > =20 Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging. Jack Greifzu (Slingshot) =20 In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com writes: Hi =20 I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge = readings rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also = noted that Loos makes several models of these tension gauges and each = would likely give a different number. =20 Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for = uppers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers = but if possible also the translated pounds value and the model of your = tension gauge? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that = would be nice as well because if it differs from boat to boat it would = affect the readings as well. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion = pounds =E2=80=A6. =20 Thanks =20 =20 Mike From: straight > Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT To: = > Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension Reply-To: > Hi Mike, =20 As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. = The Loos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod = Rigging. The procedure is to measure the rod on the instrument = (calibration is on the side) then hook on the guage and check the rig = tension and adjust as appropriate. The numbers are a lot simpler to = keep track of than the pounds. As far as I know the readings are = similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loose gauges. The reason = for the variation in tension on different rigs is probably a reflection = of the type of sailing done, competition and local conditions. Info on = the gauge used is available at = http://loosnaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge. =20 I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same = readings if they are used properly. =20 Rod Equinox=20 From: Edgar Smith > Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT To: = > Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: > =20 Hi Mike: =20 Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came = from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier = to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and = centered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter = of sighting up the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a = few turns with a wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the = mast in column at the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a = bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward = upper does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any = value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back = by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast = bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and = making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with = mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge = if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I = haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really = on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the = uppers before a race.=20 =20 Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? =20 =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm From: Dave Nauber > Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT To: = > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions Reply-To: > Wolverine uses Euler=E2=80=99s Equations to compute rig tension, but = sighting up the mast is good too.=20 =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com =20 B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins = | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins = | youtube.com/bowerswilkins = =20 This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =20 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions =20 Hi Mike: =20 Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came = from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier = to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and = centered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter = of sighting up the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a = few turns with a wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the = mast in column at the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a = bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward = upper does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any = value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back = by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast = bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and = making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with = mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge = if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I = haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really = on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the = uppers before a race.=20 =20 Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? =20 =20 Edgar Smith Pachyderm _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com =20 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CFDE5A.60B34CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bill = Thompson
Sent: October-02-14 11:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig = tensions

 

Way to = go guys! Cheering for you in Montreal!

Bill Thompson

514 942-6709


On Oct 2, 2014, at = 9:00 AM, Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions= .com> wrote:

Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' = principle. No wonder you keep beating us. Guess we're just old = school.

 

By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group = for the Thundermug regatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, = Risoluto and Pachyderm together aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw = up Dave's chances for a first overall in ECSA. For those outside of our = area, Wolverine is currently tied for first place against in the Eastern = Connecticut Sailing Association overall results. Bring it on = Wolverine!

 

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  3. Rig tensions (Edgar = Smith)
  4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave = Nauber)

Date: = October = 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT

Subject: = Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

M= ike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD = rigging.

J= ack Greifzu (Slingshot)

&= nbsp;

I= n a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com = writes:

Hi

 

I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers = reported were the gauge readings rather than the translated numbers in = pounds.  I have also noted that Loos makes several models of these = tension gauges and each would likely give a different = number.

 

Would it be possible to replay with not only the = numbers you use for uppers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the = tension gauge numbers but if possible also the translated pounds value = and the model of your tension gauge?  If anyone knows the diameter = of rod used in each that would be nice as well because if it differs = from boat to boat it would affect the readings as well.  Our former = J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds = =E2=80=A6.

 

Thanks 

 

Mike



From: = straight = <StrightR@eastlink.ca><= o:p>

Date: = October = 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT

Subject: = [frers-list]Rig Tension




Hi Mike,=

 

As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped = with Rod Rigging.  The Loos Gauge required is one that is made and = calibrated for Rod Rigging.  The procedure is to measure the rod on = the instrument (calibration is on the side) then hook on the guage and = check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate.  The numbers are a = lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds.  As far as I know the = readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loose = gauges.  The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs = is probably a reflection  of the type of sailing done, competition = and local conditions.  Info on the gauge used is available at =  http://lo= osnaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge.

 

I believe = all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings if they = are used properly.

 

Rod

Equinox =



<= p class=3DMsoNormal>From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions= .com>

Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT

Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

Hi = Mike:

 

Sounds like you'll be racing your = boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll = find the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay = length and rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before = blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast = while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench = after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at = the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the = uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go = particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more = tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than = an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. = So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some = adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight - = minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, = hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need = for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two = turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a = race. 

 

Does = anybody take a more scientific approach than we = do?

 

 

Edgar Smith

Pachyderm



<= p class=3DMsoNormal>From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com>

Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT

Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions




Wolverine uses Euler=E2=80=99s Equations to compute rig tension, but = sighting up the mast is good too.

 

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To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

Hi = Mike:

 

Sounds like you'll be racing your = boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll = find the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay = length and rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before = blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast = while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench = after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at = the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the = uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go = particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more = tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than = an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. = So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some = adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight - = minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, = hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need = for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two = turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a = race. 

 

Does anybody take a more scientific = approach than we do?

 

 

Edgar Smith

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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CFDE5A.60B34CE0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 2 19:13:50 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:13:50 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <6fe82ba0-dfb6-4deb-a0dc-5e4bc8892252@classeaudio.com> References: <20141002050301.5D5F061ADD@mailman.siteprotect.com> <43E5DD9F-82B2-4A4B-A8A9-FFE4D9F959EE@geomatrixproductions.com> <6fe82ba0-dfb6-4deb-a0dc-5e4bc8892252@classeaudio.com> Message-ID: <68258E06-0DEF-4EE7-851C-54FE04C754E7@optonline.net> --Boundary_(ID_1e44/Oz45qs+l3gCNC3Lfw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dave, I wouldn't be worried. Like cooks with broth, I hear too many captains= spoil the tactics. I wish I could hear the arguments about when to tack! Good luck to all of you. Art > On Oct 2, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Dave Nauber wrote: >=20 > That=E2=80=99s great Edgar, thanks. I look forward to seeing the super-gro= up out there. Bring your slide rule! > =20 > DN > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 >=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publ= ication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior= written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any chang= es made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this docum= ent are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply i= ts endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. >=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:01 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions > =20 > Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep= beating us. Guess we're just old school. > =20 > By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug r= egatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm toge= ther aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first o= verall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is currently tied f= or first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association overal= l results. Bring it on Wolverine! > =20 > Edgar Smith > Geomatrix Productions > www.geomatrixproductions.com > edgar@geomatrixproductions.com > Work - (203) 389-0001 > Fax- (203) 387-8558 > Cell/evening (203) 215-5405 > =20 > On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:03 AM, > wrote: >=20 >=20 > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to > frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. Re: Rig tensions (Comodore2@aol.com) > 2. Rig Tension (straight) > 3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith) > 4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave Nauber) >=20 > From: > Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions > Reply-To: > =20 >=20 > Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging. > Jack Greifzu (Slingshot) > =20 > In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoyt= @impgroup.com writes: > Hi > =20 > I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings= rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that Loos m= akes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a dif= ferent number. > =20 > Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for upper= s, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if po= ssible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge?= If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nice as wel= l because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings as we= ll. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds =E2=80=A6. > =20 > Thanks=20 > =20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: straight > Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT > To: > Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension > Reply-To: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Mike, > =20 > As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. The L= oos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging. The p= rocedure is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the side= ) then hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate= . The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds. As far a= s I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loose g= auges. The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs is probabl= y a reflection of the type of sailing done, competition and local condition= s. Info on the gauge used is available at http://loosnaples.com/tension-ga= uges/rod-rigging-gauge. > =20 > I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings= if they are used properly. > =20 > Rod > Equinox >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Edgar Smith > Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT > To: > Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions > Reply-To: > =20 >=20 > Hi Mike: > =20 > Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came f= rom a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu= ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered t= he mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up t= he mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wre= nch after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the do= ck keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. T= he goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slac= k in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Becau= se the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not co= ntrolling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of g= oing for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I= sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier t= o judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I ha= ven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we m= ight take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a= race.=20 > =20 > Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? > =20 > =20 > Edgar Smith > Pachyderm >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Dave Nauber > Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT > To: > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions > Reply-To: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Wolverine uses Euler=E2=80=99s Equations to compute rig tension, but sight= ing up the mast is good too. > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 >=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publ= ication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior= written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any chang= es made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this docum= ent are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply i= ts endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. >=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions > =20 > Hi Mike: > =20 > Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came f= rom a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu= ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered t= he mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up t= he mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wre= nch after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the do= ck keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. T= he goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slac= k in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Becau= se the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not co= ntrolling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of g= oing for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I= sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier t= o judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I ha= ven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we m= ight take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a= race.=20 > =20 > Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do? > =20 > =20 > Edgar Smith > Pachyderm >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 > =20 --Boundary_(ID_1e44/Oz45qs+l3gCNC3Lfw) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Dave, I wouldn't be worried. Like cook= s with broth, I hear too many captains spoil the tactics. I wish I could hea= r the arguments about when to tack!

Good luck to all of you.

A= rt

On Oct 2, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com> wrote:

That=E2=80=99s great Edgar, thanks. I loo= k forward to seeing the super-group out there. Bring your slide rule!

 <= /o:p>

DN

 

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From: frers-list-adm= in@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar= Smith
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:01 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions

=

 

Dam= n Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep beat= ing us. Guess we're just old school.

 

By the way, we've p= ut together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug regatta. We've got the= captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm together aboard Pachyderm= to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first overall in ECSA. For t= hose outside of our area, Wolverine is currently tied for first place agains= t in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association overall results. Bring it o= n Wolverine!

 

=

Edgar Smith
Geomatrix Productions
www.geomatrixproductions.com
edgar@geomatrixproductions.c= om
Work - (203) 389-0001
Fax- (203) 387-8558
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Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig= tensions

 

Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD riggin= g.

Jack Greifzu (Slingshot)

 

In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41= :12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mi= ke.Hoyt@impgroup.com writes:

Hi

 <= /span>

I noticed on t= he tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings rather than the= translated numbers in pounds.  I have also noted that Loos makes sever= al models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a different num= ber.

 

Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for up= pers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if= possible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gau= ge?  If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nic= e as well because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readin= gs as well.  Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds =E2=80=A6= .

 

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From: straight <StrightR@eastlink.ca>

Date: October 1= , 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT

Subject: [frers-list= ]Rig Tension

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Hi Mike,

 <= /o:p>

As I mentioned p= reviously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging.  The Loos Gauge re= quired is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging.  The procedu= re is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the side) then= hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate. = ; The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds.  As f= ar as I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Lo= ose gauges.  The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs i= s probably a reflection  of the type of sailing done, competition and l= ocal conditions.  Info on the gauge used is available at  http://loosnaples.c= om/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge.

 

I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging wil= l give the same readings if they are used properly.

 

Rod

Equinox



From: Edgar Smit= h <edgar@geomatrixprodu= ctions.com>

Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM ED= T

Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions=

 

Hi Mike:

&= nbsp;

Sounds like you'll be racin= g your boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'= ll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay lengt= h and rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then= the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. Fi= rst we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tight. T= hen I work down, keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping the intermed= iates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight e= nough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderate bree= ze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds are= not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore and= aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a sail a= nd making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast= straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the m= ast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the n= eed for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two t= urns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a race. 

 

Does anybody take a more scientific approach than w= e do?

 

<= /div>

 

Edgar Smith=

Pachyderm



From:= Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com>

Date: October 1= , 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT

Subject: RE: [frers= -list]Rig tensions




Wolverine uses Euler=E2=80=99s E= quations to compute rig tension, but sighting up the mast is good too.

 

= David Nauber
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From:= frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Beha= lf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AMTo: frers-list@list= s.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions

 

Hi Mike:

 

Sounds like you'll be racing your bo= at, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll find t= he Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay length and rak= e from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then the shro= uds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. First we te= nsion the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tight. Then I wor= k down, keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping the intermediates and= lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight enough tha= t the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don= 't see any value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swep= t back by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast= bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making= some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight= - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, h= ooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need for a= Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two turns on t= he headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a race. =

 

Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do?

 

 

Edgar Smith

Pachyderm




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= --Boundary_(ID_1e44/Oz45qs+l3gCNC3Lfw)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Oct 3 12:46:43 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:46:43 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings Message-ID: <003701cfdeff$b3f26df0$1bd749d0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CFDEE6.8EA64760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, Getting ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the rudder and likely replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of play. Already read the articles on the site and have received some good feedback from Edgar. A couple of questions: 1. How much clearance do I need to drop the rudder. I believe I read somewhere 22 inches? Is that correct, I want to be able to drop the rudder and post without depending on the travel lift or digging a hole in bedrock :). 2. Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other bearings versus the bushings. 3. What bushing material has been used? 4. I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of the rudder post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder post. 5. Does anyone have a picture of the mounting arrangement at the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the cockpit sole)? Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a Starboard (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn. Others I have seen have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through bolt. Regards Rod Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CFDEE6.8EA64760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys,

 

Getting = ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the rudder and likely = replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of play.  Already = read the articles on the site and have received some good feedback from = Edgar.  A couple of questions:

 

1.      = How much clearance do I need to drop the = rudder.  I believe I read somewhere 22 inches?  Is that = correct, I want to be able to drop the rudder and post without depending = on the travel lift or digging a hole in bedrock J.

2.      = Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other = bearings versus the bushings.

3.      = What bushing material has been = used?

4.      = I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of = the rudder post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder = post.

5.      = Does anyone have a picture of the mounting = arrangement at the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the = cockpit sole)?  Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a = Starboard (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn.  Others I = have seen have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through = bolt.

 

Regards

Rod

Equinox

------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CFDEE6.8EA64760-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Oct 3 13:23:10 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:23:10 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings In-Reply-To: <003701cfdeff$b3f26df0$1bd749d0$@eastlink.ca> References: <003701cfdeff$b3f26df0$1bd749d0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419F61CBB@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFDF04.CBB5DB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rod =20 I heard somewhere that you ensure yard has cradle raised 1 foot. =20 Are you doing the work this Fall? Give me a shout and I will come over to assist or observe. Apparently Persistence will be replacing rudder bearings this year or next as well as suggested in survey. =20 Mike =20 BTW. There are three weeks of sailing season left. That represents 15% of the entire season. =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 8:47 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings =20 Hi Guys, =20 Getting ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the rudder and likely replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of play. Already read the articles on the site and have received some good feedback from Edgar. A couple of questions: =20 1. How much clearance do I need to drop the rudder. I believe I read somewhere 22 inches? Is that correct, I want to be able to drop the rudder and post without depending on the travel lift or digging a hole in bedrock J. 2. Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other bearings versus the bushings. 3. What bushing material has been used? 4. I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of the rudder post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder post. 5. Does anyone have a picture of the mounting arrangement at the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the cockpit sole)? Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a Starboard (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn. Others I have seen have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through bolt.=20 =20 Regards Rod Equinox ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFDF04.CBB5DB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rod

 

I heard somewhere that = you ensure yard has cradle raised 1 foot.

 

Are you doing the work = this Fall?  Give me a shout and I will come over to assist or = observe.  Apparently Persistence will be replacing rudder bearings = this year or next as well as suggested in = survey.

 

Mike

 

BTW.  There are = three weeks of sailing season left.  That represents 15% of the = entire season.

 

From:= = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod = Stright
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 8:47 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, = bearings or bushings

 

Hi Guys,

 

Getting ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the = rudder and likely replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of = play.  Already read the articles on the site and have received some = good feedback from Edgar.  A couple of = questions:

 

1.      How much clearance do I need to drop the rudder.  I = believe I read somewhere 22 inches?  Is that correct, I want to be = able to drop the rudder and post without depending on the travel lift or = digging a hole in bedrock J.

2.      Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other bearings = versus the bushings.

3.      What bushing material has been = used?

4.      I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of the rudder = post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder = post.

5.      Does anyone have a picture of the mounting arrangement at = the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the cockpit = sole)?  Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a Starboard = (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn.  Others I have seen = have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through bolt. =

 

Regards

Rod

Equinox

------_=_NextPart_001_01CFDF04.CBB5DB90-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 6 16:15:41 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bottaro, Donald (NIH/NCI) [E]) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 15:15:41 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #803 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: <20141004050304.7EEED61B95@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20141004050304.7EEED61B95@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <86BB4696C7F39F419D90E1BFB79C73840B37845C@MLBXv04.nih.gov> Rod, My own experience with rudder bearing replacement is on the website for dow= nload under the FAQ tab. To address your questions: 1. 22" might just barely do it; I think 30 is more real. You can estimate b= y crawling into that space and measuring the gap between the deck and hull = parallel to the rudder, and adding in for hull and deck thickness and rudde= r stock above cockpit sole. 2. No experience with Jaffa. I used Tides Marine - mine are the equivalent = of the current "RPB-G/H" system. Tides made them custom to my specs and wer= e very good people to work with. 3. the Tides system above is ultra high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMW= -PE), similar coefficient of teflon but does not absorb water; more durable= than you might think in this application. 4. Not sure what is on your boat but I have a solid aluminum (approx. 2.5" = diam) rudder stock - there are no stainless components in the rudder (NOT i= ncluding its retention system - see #5) to my knowledge. 5. sorry I don't have a picture handy, but the arrangement on whirlaway fit= s your description except for materials: a stainless steel pin goes through= the top of the rudder stock and carries two stainless bearings, one on eac= h side of the stock, retained by cotter pins. The plate upon which the bear= ings ride above the cockpit sole is also stainless. To my thinking, plastic= would deform considerably in this application given the small load bearing= surface areas involved. Nothing like to load-to-surface ratio of the rudde= r bearings (mine are 5" long for the top and 8" long at the bottom). One po= tential source of rudder play here is also easily overlooked: the plate on = the cockpit sole should be perpendicular to the rudder's axis of rotation. = If not, the rudder will be moving up and down as it rotates, which can be p= roblematic depending on the bearing system you decide on; simple bushings w= ill tolerate deviations from perpendicular best. You should look at this ca= refully at several points on the arc through which the rudder turns. BTW your cousin Bill appears to be very talented - I would like to have him= build the fully rigged half hull model for me, could you please put us in = contact? Thanks and hope this helps, Don Don Bottaro Frers 33 Whirlaway -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:03 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #803 - 2 msgs Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings (Rod Stright) 2. RE: Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings (Hoyt, Mike) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Rod Stright To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:46:43 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=3D_NextPart_000_0038_01CFDEE6.8EA64760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, =20 Getting ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the rudder and likely replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of play. Already read the articles on the site and have received some good feedback from Edgar. A couple of questions: =20 1. How much clearance do I need to drop the rudder. I believe I read somewhere 22 inches? Is that correct, I want to be able to drop the rudder and post without depending on the travel lift or digging a hole in bedrock :). 2. Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other bearings versus the bushings. 3. What bushing material has been used? 4. I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of the rudder post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder post. 5. Does anyone have a picture of the mounting arrangement at the top o= f the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the cockpit sole)? Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a Starboard (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn. Others I have seen have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through bolt.=20 =20 Regards Rod Equinox ------=3D_NextPart_000_0038_01CFDEE6.8EA64760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys,

 

Getting =3D ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the rudder and likely =3D replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of play.  Already =3D read the articles on the site and have received some good feedback from =3D Edgar.  A couple of questions:

 

1.      =3D How much clearance do I need to drop the =3D rudder.  I believe I read somewhere 22 inches?  Is that =3D correct, I want to be able to drop the rudder and post without depending = =3D on the travel lift or digging a hole in bedrock J.

2.      =3D Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other =3D bearings versus the bushings.

3.      =3D What bushing material has been =3D used?

4.      =3D I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of = =3D the rudder post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder = =3D post.

5.      =3D Does anyone have a picture of the mounting =3D arrangement at the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the =3D cockpit sole)?  Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a =3D Starboard (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn.  Others I = =3D have seen have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through =3D bolt.

 

Regards

Rod

Equinox

------=3D_NextPart_000_0038_01CFDEE6.8EA64760-- --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:23:10 -0300 From: "Hoyt, Mike" To: Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CFDF04.CBB5DB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rod =3D20 I heard somewhere that you ensure yard has cradle raised 1 foot. =3D20 Are you doing the work this Fall? Give me a shout and I will come over to assist or observe. Apparently Persistence will be replacing rudder bearings this year or next as well as suggested in survey. =3D20 Mike =3D20 BTW. There are three weeks of sailing season left. That represents 15% of the entire season. =3D20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 8:47 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings =3D20 Hi Guys, =3D20 Getting ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the rudder and likely replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of play. Already read the articles on the site and have received some good feedback from Edgar. A couple of questions: =3D20 1. How much clearance do I need to drop the rudder. I believe I read somewhere 22 inches? Is that correct, I want to be able to drop the rudder and post without depending on the travel lift or digging a hole in bedrock J. 2. Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other bearings versus the bushings. 3. What bushing material has been used? 4. I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of the rudder post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder post. 5. Does anyone have a picture of the mounting arrangement at the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the cockpit sole)? Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a Starboard (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn. Others I have seen have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through bolt.=3D20 =3D20 Regards Rod Equinox ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CFDF04.CBB5DB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rod

 

I heard somewhere that = =3D you ensure yard has cradle raised 1 foot.

 

Are you doing the work = =3D this Fall?  Give me a shout and I will come over to assist or =3D observe.  Apparently Persistence will be replacing rudder bearings =3D this year or next as well as suggested in =3D survey.

 

Mike

 

BTW.  There are = =3D three weeks of sailing season left.  That represents 15% of the =3D entire season.

 

From:= =3D = =3D frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod =3D Stright
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 8:47 AM
To: =3D frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, = =3D bearings or bushings

 

Hi Guys,

 

Getting ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the =3D rudder and likely replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of =3D play.  Already read the articles on the site and have received some = =3D good feedback from Edgar.  A couple of =3D questions:

 

1.      How much clearance do I need to drop the rudder.  I =3D believe I read somewhere 22 inches?  Is that correct, I want to be =3D able to drop the rudder and post without depending on the travel lift or = =3D digging a hole in bedrock J.

2.      Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other bearings =3D versus the bushings.

3.      What bushing material has been =3D used?

4.      I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of the rudder = =3D post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder =3D post.

5.      Does anyone have a picture of the mounting arrangement at = =3D the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the cockpit =3D sole)?  Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a Starboard =3D (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn.  Others I have seen = =3D have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through bolt. =3D

 

Regards

Rod

Equinox

------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CFDF04.CBB5DB90-- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list End of frers-list Digest From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 6 16:30:53 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:30:53 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #803 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: <86BB4696C7F39F419D90E1BFB79C73840B37845C@MLBXv04.nih.gov> References: <20141004050304.7EEED61B95@mailman.siteprotect.com> <86BB4696C7F39F419D90E1BFB79C73840B37845C@MLBXv04.nih.gov> Message-ID: <005a01cfe17a$84260e60$8c722b20$@eastlink.ca> Thanks Don, I'll be hauling Equinox and have a good look around and drop the rudder before I decide what I'll do. The plate on the cockpit sole and the bearings that turn on it are badly deformed obviously they weren't the right choice. Bill makes an excellent job and I've copied him so you will have his email address. This is the third one he has made for me (Classic 31, C&C 41 and the Frers 33) all are excellent. He'll obviously need some good pictures of Whirlaway. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bottaro, Donald (NIH/NCI) [E] Sent: October-06-14 12:16 PM To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #803 - 2 msgs Rod, My own experience with rudder bearing replacement is on the website for download under the FAQ tab. To address your questions: 1. 22" might just barely do it; I think 30 is more real. You can estimate by crawling into that space and measuring the gap between the deck and hull parallel to the rudder, and adding in for hull and deck thickness and rudder stock above cockpit sole. 2. No experience with Jaffa. I used Tides Marine - mine are the equivalent of the current "RPB-G/H" system. Tides made them custom to my specs and were very good people to work with. 3. the Tides system above is ultra high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMW-PE), similar coefficient of teflon but does not absorb water; more durable than you might think in this application. 4. Not sure what is on your boat but I have a solid aluminum (approx. 2.5" diam) rudder stock - there are no stainless components in the rudder (NOT including its retention system - see #5) to my knowledge. 5. sorry I don't have a picture handy, but the arrangement on whirlaway fits your description except for materials: a stainless steel pin goes through the top of the rudder stock and carries two stainless bearings, one on each side of the stock, retained by cotter pins. The plate upon which the bearings ride above the cockpit sole is also stainless. To my thinking, plastic would deform considerably in this application given the small load bearing surface areas involved. Nothing like to load-to-surface ratio of the rudder bearings (mine are 5" long for the top and 8" long at the bottom). One potential source of rudder play here is also easily overlooked: the plate on the cockpit sole should be perpendicular to the rudder's axis of rotation. If not, the rudder will be moving up and down as it rotates, which can be problematic depending on the bearing system you decide on; simple bushings will tolerate deviations from perpendicular best. You should look at this carefully at several points on the arc through which the rudder turns. BTW your cousin Bill appears to be very talented - I would like to have him build the fully rigged half hull model for me, could you please put us in contact? Thanks and hope this helps, Don Don Bottaro Frers 33 Whirlaway -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:03 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #803 - 2 msgs Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings (Rod Stright) 2. RE: Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings (Hoyt, Mike) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Rod Stright To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:46:43 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CFDEE6.8EA64760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, Getting ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the rudder and likely replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of play. Already read the articles on the site and have received some good feedback from Edgar. A couple of questions: 1. How much clearance do I need to drop the rudder. I believe I read somewhere 22 inches? Is that correct, I want to be able to drop the rudder and post without depending on the travel lift or digging a hole in bedrock :). 2. Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other bearings versus the bushings. 3. What bushing material has been used? 4. I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of the rudder post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder post. 5. Does anyone have a picture of the mounting arrangement at the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the cockpit sole)? Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a Starboard (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn. Others I have seen have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through bolt. Regards Rod Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CFDEE6.8EA64760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys,

 

Getting = ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the rudder and likely = replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of play.  Already = read the articles on the site and have received some good feedback from = Edgar.  A couple of questions:

 

1.      = How much clearance do I need to drop the = rudder.  I believe I read somewhere 22 inches?  Is that = correct, I want to be able to drop the rudder and post without depending = on the travel lift or digging a hole in bedrock J.

2.      = Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other = bearings versus the bushings.

3.      = What bushing material has been = used?

4.      = I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of = the rudder post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder = post.

5.      = Does anyone have a picture of the mounting = arrangement at the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the = cockpit sole)?  Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a = Starboard (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn.  Others I = have seen have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through = bolt.

 

Regards

Rod

Equinox

------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CFDEE6.8EA64760-- --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:23:10 -0300 From: "Hoyt, Mike" To: Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFDF04.CBB5DB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rod =20 I heard somewhere that you ensure yard has cradle raised 1 foot. =20 Are you doing the work this Fall? Give me a shout and I will come over to assist or observe. Apparently Persistence will be replacing rudder bearings this year or next as well as suggested in survey. =20 Mike =20 BTW. There are three weeks of sailing season left. That represents 15% of the entire season. =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 8:47 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, bearings or bushings =20 Hi Guys, =20 Getting ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the rudder and likely replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of play. Already read the articles on the site and have received some good feedback from Edgar. A couple of questions: =20 1. How much clearance do I need to drop the rudder. I believe I read somewhere 22 inches? Is that correct, I want to be able to drop the rudder and post without depending on the travel lift or digging a hole in bedrock J. 2. Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other bearings versus the bushings. 3. What bushing material has been used? 4. I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of the rudder post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder post. 5. Does anyone have a picture of the mounting arrangement at the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the cockpit sole)? Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a Starboard (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn. Others I have seen have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through bolt.=20 =20 Regards Rod Equinox ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFDF04.CBB5DB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rod

 

I heard somewhere that = you ensure yard has cradle raised 1 foot.

 

Are you doing the work = this Fall?  Give me a shout and I will come over to assist or = observe.  Apparently Persistence will be replacing rudder bearings = this year or next as well as suggested in = survey.

 

Mike

 

BTW.  There are = three weeks of sailing season left.  That represents 15% of the = entire season.

 

From:= = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod = Stright
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 8:47 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Tube, = bearings or bushings

 

Hi Guys,

 

Getting ready to haul Equinox and will need to drop the = rudder and likely replace the bushings at least as there is a lot of = play.  Already read the articles on the site and have received some = good feedback from Edgar.  A couple of = questions:

 

1.      How much clearance do I need to drop the rudder.  I = believe I read somewhere 22 inches?  Is that correct, I want to be = able to drop the rudder and post without depending on the travel lift or = digging a hole in bedrock J.

2.      Has anyone any experience with Jaffa or other bearings = versus the bushings.

3.      What bushing material has been = used?

4.      I assume the aluminum tube that is at the top of the rudder = post extends all the way down over the stainless steel rudder = post.

5.      Does anyone have a picture of the mounting arrangement at = the top of the rudder stock (where it is mounted in the cockpit = sole)?  Mine has poor quality rollers mounted on a Starboard = (plastic) plate and the rollers are badly worn.  Others I have seen = have a stainless steel plate and Derlin rollers on a through bolt. =

 

Regards

Rod

Equinox

------_=_NextPart_001_01CFDF04.CBB5DB90-- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list End of frers-list Digest _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 7 13:32:30 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:32:30 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FB2B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. The head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a Harken Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is the turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on the top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When I attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the rod. The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay had approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and then reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt placement and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On our J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the main halyard and mast at cabin top. =20 Mike Persistence From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 7 15:39:00 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 11:39:00 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FC3A@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Never mind. I see it in the tuning guide -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:33 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. The head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a Harken Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is the turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on the top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When I attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the rod. The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay had approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and then reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt placement and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On our J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the main halyard and mast at cabin top. =20 Mike Persistence _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 8 02:19:09 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:19:09 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Bow Pulpit Message-ID: <001801cfe295$dc8aeb90$95a0c2b0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CFE27C.B73E4FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was wondering what type of bow pulpits you have and is anyone has one in good condition. Equinox has a bow pulpit which only has three securing points to the deck two aft and a single point at the stem head. The pulpit itself projects a fair distance ahead of the stem and a consequence the pulpit is quite flimsy. Rod Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CFE27C.B73E4FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Was wondering what type of bow pulpits you have and is = anyone has one in good condition.  Equinox has a bow pulpit which = only has three securing points to the deck two aft and a single point at = the stem head.  The pulpit itself projects a fair distance ahead of = the stem and a consequence the pulpit is quite flimsy.  =

 

Rod

Equinox

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CFE27C.B73E4FD0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 8 03:10:09 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:10:09 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FB2B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FB2B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: Mike, Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I had the s= ame issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads and not being abl= e to tighten any further. The boat did not point well and I was never able t= o remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air. In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay with a= twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much higher. I regre= t not making the change sooner. If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling headstay, y= ou can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you the chance to cha= nge from racing to cruising mode in a very short time.=20 Scott > On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: >=20 > Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at > similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. The > head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a Harken > Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is the > turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on the > top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When I > attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would only > turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there are no > more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the rod. The > lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay had > approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. > Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and then > reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. Note that > I also will increase tension with backstay as needed >=20 > I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt placement > and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On our > J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the main > halyard and mast at cabin top. =20 >=20 > Mike > Persistence >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 8 13:37:11 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Stephen, Robert) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:37:11 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]Bow Pulpit In-Reply-To: <001801cfe295$dc8aeb90$95a0c2b0$@eastlink.ca> References: <001801cfe295$dc8aeb90$95a0c2b0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <1A6A3F1ED0C9554B87B4531ABB26D6F01520AD37@M4DAG1.weberstephen.com> --_000_1A6A3F1ED0C9554B87B4531ABB26D6F01520AD37M4DAG1weberstep_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My name is Bob Stephen and I have frers 36 that I have had for 4 years When= I purchased it I had the Pulpit lower tube hoop with 2 broken welds. It wa= s supported at both ends and had been tied up here to support it. It the fa= ll the boat yard I stored it in Lake Michigan were able to tack weld the tu= be at the tied off end. I then removed it and took it to a welder who was a= ble to weld stainless tubing. They welded it. Fill all areas to maximize st= rength and have not had a failure even with me standing on it while doing s= pinnaker work. Bob Stephen Itchy Magoo From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:19 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Bow Pulpit Was wondering what type of bow pulpits you have and is anyone has one in go= od condition. Equinox has a bow pulpit which only has three securing point= s to the deck two aft and a single point at the stem head. The pulpit itse= lf projects a fair distance ahead of the stem and a consequence the pulpit = is quite flimsy. Rod Equinox ________________________________ This email is intended solely for use by its addressee, and may contain con= fidential or legally privileged information. If you receive this message in= error, please immediately email a reply to advise the sender of the error = and delete this email and any attachments. Thank you. Weber-Stephen Product= s LLC --_000_1A6A3F1ED0C9554B87B4531ABB26D6F01520AD37M4DAG1weberstep_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My name is Bob Stephen= and I have frers 36 that I have had for 4 years When I purchased it I had = the Pulpit lower tube hoop with 2 broken welds. It was supported at both en= ds and had been tied up here to support it. It the fall the boat yard I stored it in Lake Michigan were able to ta= ck weld the tube at the tied off end. I then removed it and took it to a we= lder who was able to weld stainless tubing. They welded it. Fill all areas = to maximize strength and have not had a failure even with me standing on it while doing spinnaker work.

 

Bob Stephen

Itchy Magoo

 

 

 

From: frers-= list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:19 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Bow Pulpit

 

Was wondering what type of bow = pulpits you have and is anyone has one in good condition.  Equinox has= a bow pulpit which only has three securing points to the deck two aft and = a single point at the stem head.  The pulpit itself projects a fair distance ahead of the stem and a consequence the pu= lpit is quite flimsy. 

 

Rod

Equinox



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--_000_1A6A3F1ED0C9554B87B4531ABB26D6F01520AD37M4DAG1weberstep_-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 8 14:59:02 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bruton, Tom (GECAS)) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 13:59:02 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FB2B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <28CE0557227CA04C8901EFBFB0EAD26408A88B06@CINURCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com> Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is down? O= r is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I assume an actua= l head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the mast? Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton F36 owner with the same problem -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions Mike, Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I had the= same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads and not being = able to tighten any further. The boat did not point well and I was never a= ble to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air. In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay with = a twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much higher. I reg= ret not making the change sooner. If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling headstay,= you can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you the chance to = change from racing to cruising mode in a very short time.=20 Scott > On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: >=20 > Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at=20 > similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. The=20 > head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a Harken > Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is the=20 > turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on the=20 > top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When I=20 > attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would=20 > only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there=20 > are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the rod. =20 > The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay had=20 > approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. > Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and then=20 > reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. Note=20 > that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed >=20 > I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt placement=20 > and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On our > J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the main=20 > halyard and mast at cabin top. >=20 > Mike > Persistence >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 8 19:58:13 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 14:58:13 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <28CE0557227CA04C8901EFBFB0EAD26408A88B06@CINURCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FB2B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <28CE0557227CA04C8901EFBFB0EAD26408A88B06@CINURCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: <368F676D-EDEE-45B8-BCCC-359795B0D119@yahoo.com> The mast remains upright. Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay. Yes, someone goes up the mast. After the bottom pin is removed, the person u= p high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling headstay to a per= son on the ground using another one of the halyards. Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top pin. = Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down. Tune up and go racing. Reverse the process for cruising. The job is quickly and easily done with three people. Less quick but still e= asy with two people. > On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" w= rote: >=20 > Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is down? O= r is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I assume an actual= head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the mast? > Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, > Tom Bruton > F36 owner with the same problem >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions >=20 > Mike, > Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I had th= e same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads and not being a= ble to tighten any further. The boat did not point well and I was never abl= e to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air. > In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay with= a twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much higher. I reg= ret not making the change sooner. > If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling headstay= , you can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you the chance to c= hange from racing to cruising mode in a very short time.=20 > Scott >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: >>=20 >> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at=20 >> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. The=20 >> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a Harken >> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is the=20 >> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on the=20 >> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When I=20 >> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would=20 >> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there=20 >> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the rod. =20= >> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay had=20 >> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. >> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and then=20= >> reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. Note=20 >> that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed >>=20 >> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt placement=20 >> and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On our >> J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the main=20= >> halyard and mast at cabin top. >>=20 >> Mike >> Persistence >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 8 20:08:05 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:08:05 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <368F676D-EDEE-45B8-BCCC-359795B0D119@yahoo.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FB2B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <28CE0557227CA04C8901EFBFB0EAD26408A88B06@CINURCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com> <368F676D-EDEE-45B8-BCCC-359795B0D119@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A060164@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Any thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod slightly shorter with longer thread on stud? Second option to simply remove the forestay and replace with wire of appropriate length and with appropriate length thread. Third option is sell the furling unit and buy a new forestay and more modern harken furler that has a proper turnbuckle system Downside is that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have roller furling. Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the furling system and replace with tuff luff Mike -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:58 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions The mast remains upright. Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay. Yes, someone goes up the mast. After the bottom pin is removed, the person up high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling headstay to a person on the ground using another one of the halyards. Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top pin. Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down. Tune up and go racing. Reverse the process for cruising. The job is quickly and easily done with three people. Less quick but still easy with two people. > On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" wrote: >=20 > Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is down? Or is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I assume an actual head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the mast? > Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton > F36 owner with the same problem >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions >=20 > Mike, > Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I had the same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads and not being able to tighten any further. The boat did not point well and I was never able to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air. > In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay with a twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much higher. I regret not making the change sooner. > If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling headstay, you can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you the chance to change from racing to cruising mode in a very short time.=20 > Scott >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: >>=20 >> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at=20 >> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. The >> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a=20 >> Harken >> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is the >> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on the >> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When I >> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would=20 >> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there=20 >> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the rod. >> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay had >> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. >> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and=20 >> then reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. =20 >> Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed >>=20 >> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt placement >> and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On=20 >> our >> J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the=20 >> main halyard and mast at cabin top. >>=20 >> Mike >> Persistence >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 8 20:39:52 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:39:52 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A060164@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FB2B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <28CE0557227CA04C8901EFBFB0EAD26408A88B06@CINURCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com> <368F676D-EDEE-45B8-BCCC-359795B0D119@yahoo.com> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A060164@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <000c01cfe32f$a129c130$e37d4390$@eastlink.ca> Mike, I Have the Harken system and haven't had a problem. Unless the headstay is too long, sounds like it may be, just put in a 2" shackle and remove it in high winds. Measure it and then see if it is 46' pin to pin. If it will shorten an inch or two from that you are good. Rod -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: October-08-14 4:08 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions Any thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod slightly shorter with longer thread on stud? Second option to simply remove the forestay and replace with wire of appropriate length and with appropriate length thread. Third option is sell the furling unit and buy a new forestay and more modern harken furler that has a proper turnbuckle system Downside is that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have roller furling. Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the furling system and replace with tuff luff Mike -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:58 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions The mast remains upright. Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay. Yes, someone goes up the mast. After the bottom pin is removed, the person up high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling headstay to a person on the ground using another one of the halyards. Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top pin. Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down. Tune up and go racing. Reverse the process for cruising. The job is quickly and easily done with three people. Less quick but still easy with two people. > On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" wrote: > > Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is down? Or is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I assume an actual head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the mast? > Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton > F36 owner with the same problem > > > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions > > Mike, > Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I had the same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads and not being able to tighten any further. The boat did not point well and I was never able to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air. > In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay with a twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much higher. I regret not making the change sooner. > If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling headstay, you can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you the chance to change from racing to cruising mode in a very short time. > Scott > > >> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: >> >> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at >> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. The >> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a >> Harken >> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is the >> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on the >> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When I >> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would >> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there >> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the rod. >> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay had >> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. >> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and >> then reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. >> Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed >> >> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt placement >> and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On >> our >> J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the >> main halyard and mast at cabin top. >> >> Mike >> Persistence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 8 20:55:13 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bruton, Tom (GECAS)) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:55:13 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <368F676D-EDEE-45B8-BCCC-359795B0D119@yahoo.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FB2B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <28CE0557227CA04C8901EFBFB0EAD26408A88B06@CINURCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com> <368F676D-EDEE-45B8-BCCC-359795B0D119@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <28CE0557227CA04C8901EFBFB0EAD26408A88CB4@CINURCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com> Many thanks Scott, believe I will have a couple of volunteers to help out, = but I will have to be the one going up the mast! Tom -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 2:58 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions The mast remains upright. Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay. Yes, someone goes up the mast. After the bottom pin is removed, the person= up high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling headstay to a = person on the ground using another one of the halyards. Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top pin.= Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down. Tune up and go racing. Reverse the process for cruising. The job is quickly and easily done with three people. Less quick but still= easy with two people. > On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" = wrote: >=20 > Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is down?= Or is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I assume an act= ual head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the mast? > Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton > F36 owner with the same problem >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions >=20 > Mike, > Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I had t= he same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads and not bein= g able to tighten any further. The boat did not point well and I was never= able to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air. > In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay wit= h a twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much higher. I r= egret not making the change sooner. > If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling headsta= y, you can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you the chance t= o change from racing to cruising mode in a very short time.=20 > Scott >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: >>=20 >> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at=20 >> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. The=20 >> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a=20 >> Harken >> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is the=20 >> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on the=20 >> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When I=20 >> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would=20 >> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there=20 >> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the rod. >> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay had=20 >> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. >> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and=20 >> then reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. =20 >> Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed >>=20 >> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt placement=20 >> and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On=20 >> our >> J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the=20 >> main halyard and mast at cabin top. >>=20 >> Mike >> Persistence >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 9 04:13:37 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (deconto) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 23:13:37 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A060164@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FB2B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <28CE0557227CA04C8901EFBFB0EAD26408A88B06@CINURCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com> <368F676D-EDEE-45B8-BCCC-359795B0D119@yahoo.com> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A060164@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail=_1143648F-ACA7-4435-A1A0-78705D79B16F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike, IMO, stick with roller furling up there in halifax. Without = intense one-designe pressure, I don't see the point.=20 I agree, I think the head stay is a little long, but managed to get buy = playing the backstay. You could look into a low-profile furler that = reduce the deck-tack distance.=20 Rob On Oct 8, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > Any thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod = slightly > shorter with longer thread on stud? Second option to simply remove = the > forestay and replace with wire of appropriate length and with > appropriate length thread. Third option is sell the furling unit and > buy a new forestay and more modern harken furler that has a proper > turnbuckle system >=20 > Downside is that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have = roller > furling. Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the furling = system > and replace with tuff luff >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:58 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions >=20 > The mast remains upright. >=20 > Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay. >=20 > Yes, someone goes up the mast. After the bottom pin is removed, the > person up high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling > headstay to a person on the ground using another one of the halyards. > Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top > pin. Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down. Tune up and go = racing. > Reverse the process for cruising. >=20 > The job is quickly and easily done with three people. Less quick but > still easy with two people. >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" > wrote: >>=20 >> Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is > down? Or is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I > assume an actual head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the = mast? >> Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton >> F36 owner with the same problem >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 >> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino >> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM >> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions >>=20 >> Mike, >> Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I > had the same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads = and > not being able to tighten any further. The boat did not point well = and > I was never able to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air. >> In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay > with a twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much > higher. I regret not making the change sooner. >> If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling > headstay, you can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you > the chance to change from racing to cruising mode in a very short = time.=20 >> Scott >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at=20= >>> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. = The >=20 >>> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a=20 >>> Harken >>> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is = the >=20 >>> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on = the >=20 >>> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When = I >=20 >>> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would=20= >>> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there=20= >>> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the > rod. >>> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay = had >=20 >>> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. >>> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and=20 >>> then reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. =20= >>> Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed >>>=20 >>> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt = placement >=20 >>> and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On=20= >>> our >>> J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the=20 >>> main halyard and mast at cabin top. >>>=20 >>> Mike >>> Persistence >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> frers-list mailing list >>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --Apple-Mail=_1143648F-ACA7-4435-A1A0-78705D79B16F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Mike, = IMO, stick with roller furling up there in halifax. Without intense = one-designe pressure, I don't see the point. 

I = agree, I think the head stay is a little long, but managed to get buy = playing the backstay. You could look into a low-profile furler that = reduce the deck-tack = distance. 

  = Rob





On Oct 8, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:

Any = thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod = slightly
shorter with longer thread on stud?  Second option to = simply remove the
forestay and replace with wire of appropriate = length and  with
appropriate length thread.  Third option = is sell the furling unit and
buy a new forestay and more modern = harken furler that has a proper
turnbuckle system

Downside is = that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have roller
furling. =  Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the furling = system
and replace with tuff = luff

Mike



-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.= frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf = Of Scott Marino
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:58 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= /a>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions

The mast remains = upright.

Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary = headstay.

Yes, someone goes up the mast.  After the bottom = pin is removed, the
person up high releases the top pin, and lowers = the roller furling
headstay to a person on the ground using another = one of the halyards.
Then raise the racing headstay up on that = halyard and attached the top
pin.  Reattach the bottom pin and. = One on down.  Tune up and go racing.
Reverse the process for = cruising.

The job is quickly and easily done with three people. =  Less quick but
still easy with two = people.


On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, = "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)"
<Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> = wrote:

Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming = the mast is
down? Or is it just the roller furler that's = being swapped out - I
assume an actual head stay change cannot be = done by a trip up the mast?
Tks, and sorry = if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton
F36 owner with the same = problem


-----Original = Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.= frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of = Scott Marino
Sent: Tuesday, = October 07, 2014 10:10 PM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= /a>
Subject: Re: = [frers-list]Rig tensions

Mike,
Risoluto = had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. =  I
had the same issues as you with regard to = bottoming out the threads and
not being able to tighten any further. =  The boat did not point well and
I was never able to remove the = headstay sag in medium or heavy air.
In = year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new = headstay
with a twin foil.  The boat was instantly = faster and pointed much
higher.  I regret not making the change = sooner.
If you can own two headstays, and = have a way to store the furling
headstay, you can swap = them out in less than an hour.  This gives you
the chance to = change from racing to cruising mode in a very short time. =
Scott


On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
<= /blockquote>
wrote:

Over the weekend I borrowed a = Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at =
similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and = uppers.  The

head stay was much more = difficult as it has what I believe is a =
Harken
Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. =  With this system the furler itself is = the

turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are = internal on the

top of the furler but you can = see the bottom exposed threads.  When = I

attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking = nut would
only turn 1/2 turn and then = seize.  I believe this is because there =
are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end = of the
rod.
The lower stud that threads into = turnbuckle and pins the forestay = had

approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two = full turns.
Accordingly I unpinned forestay = and turned the stud two turns and =
then reattached.  This is now the maximum I can = tighten forestay.  
Note that I also will increase = tension with backstay as needed

I am wondering if this could be = a function of the mast butt = placement

and mast rake.  What is the = typical measurement for mast rake?  On =
our
J27 was approx. 15 inches which = was measured distance between the =
main halyard and mast at cabin = top.

Mike
Persistence

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= --Apple-Mail=_1143648F-ACA7-4435-A1A0-78705D79B16F-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 9 12:26:20 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:26:20 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A05FB2B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <28CE0557227CA04C8901EFBFB0EAD26408A88B06@CINURCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com> <368F676D-EDEE-45B8-BCCC-359795B0D119@yahoo.com> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A060164@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719DE8@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFE3B3.D96B4CEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rob Seemed good tension last evening but the wind ended up pretty light. I suspect my rigger here could suggest how to make current system work = if it is too long/loose. Am sticking with roller furling because it = works well and is very convenient. Ultimately a low profile furler and = all sails Incl. racing sails on furler would be ideal (pricey). Do not = think I will be doing that as we will only casually race the boat and = mostly day sail or cruise Last night was only our second race. Boat is now rigged the way I want = it for racing. First time we managed to sail the symmetric spinnaker. = Looked good and flew well. Boat working nicely. Rain held off and the 20 = gusting 30 turned out 5-12knots. Mike -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of deconto Sent: Thu 09/10/2014 12:13 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions =20 Mike, IMO, stick with roller furling up there in halifax. Without = intense one-designe pressure, I don't see the point.=20 I agree, I think the head stay is a little long, but managed to get buy = playing the backstay. You could look into a low-profile furler that = reduce the deck-tack distance.=20 Rob On Oct 8, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > Any thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod = slightly > shorter with longer thread on stud? Second option to simply remove = the > forestay and replace with wire of appropriate length and with > appropriate length thread. Third option is sell the furling unit and > buy a new forestay and more modern harken furler that has a proper > turnbuckle system >=20 > Downside is that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have = roller > furling. Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the furling = system > and replace with tuff luff >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:58 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions >=20 > The mast remains upright. >=20 > Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay. >=20 > Yes, someone goes up the mast. After the bottom pin is removed, the > person up high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling > headstay to a person on the ground using another one of the halyards. > Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top > pin. Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down. Tune up and go = racing. > Reverse the process for cruising. >=20 > The job is quickly and easily done with three people. Less quick but > still easy with two people. >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" > wrote: >>=20 >> Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is > down? Or is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I > assume an actual head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the = mast? >> Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton >> F36 owner with the same problem >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 >> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino >> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM >> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions >>=20 >> Mike, >> Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I > had the same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads = and > not being able to tighten any further. The boat did not point well = and > I was never able to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air. >> In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay > with a twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much > higher. I regret not making the change sooner. >> If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling > headstay, you can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you > the chance to change from racing to cruising mode in a very short = time.=20 >> Scott >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at = >>> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. = The >=20 >>> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a=20 >>> Harken >>> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is = the >=20 >>> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on = the >=20 >>> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When = I >=20 >>> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would=20 >>> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there=20 >>> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the > rod. >>> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay = had >=20 >>> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. >>> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and=20 >>> then reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. =20 >>> Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed >>>=20 >>> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt = placement >=20 >>> and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? 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The boat is a good performer and I'm not a big fan of racing sails on furlers, unless they are low profile furlers and then they are still not that great. If you are racing you have a crew to switch sails and I think a RF sail is still a compromise. I have the Harken RF on my boat and it is fine, if I was racing one design I might switch but I would need to be convinced that it would make a difference. Here I don't really think it is worth it. Learning the boat, picking the right sail for conditions and having a good crew are way more important. Rod -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: October-09-14 8:26 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions Rob Seemed good tension last evening but the wind ended up pretty light. I suspect my rigger here could suggest how to make current system work if it is too long/loose. Am sticking with roller furling because it works well and is very convenient. Ultimately a low profile furler and all sails Incl. racing sails on furler would be ideal (pricey). Do not think I will be doing that as we will only casually race the boat and mostly day sail or cruise Last night was only our second race. Boat is now rigged the way I want it for racing. First time we managed to sail the symmetric spinnaker. Looked good and flew well. Boat working nicely. Rain held off and the 20 gusting 30 turned out 5-12knots. Mike -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of deconto Sent: Thu 09/10/2014 12:13 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions Mike, IMO, stick with roller furling up there in halifax. Without intense one-designe pressure, I don't see the point. I agree, I think the head stay is a little long, but managed to get buy playing the backstay. You could look into a low-profile furler that reduce the deck-tack distance. Rob On Oct 8, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > Any thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod > slightly shorter with longer thread on stud? Second option to simply > remove the forestay and replace with wire of appropriate length and > with appropriate length thread. Third option is sell the furling unit > and buy a new forestay and more modern harken furler that has a proper > turnbuckle system > > Downside is that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have > roller furling. Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the > furling system and replace with tuff luff > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:58 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions > > The mast remains upright. > > Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay. > > Yes, someone goes up the mast. After the bottom pin is removed, the > person up high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling > headstay to a person on the ground using another one of the halyards. > Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top > pin. Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down. Tune up and go racing. > Reverse the process for cruising. > > The job is quickly and easily done with three people. Less quick but > still easy with two people. > > >> On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" > wrote: >> >> Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is > down? Or is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I > assume an actual head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the mast? >> Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton >> F36 owner with the same problem >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com >> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino >> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM >> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions >> >> Mike, >> Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I > had the same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads > and not being able to tighten any further. The boat did not point > well and I was never able to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air. >> In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay > with a twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much > higher. I regret not making the change sooner. >> If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling > headstay, you can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you > the chance to change from racing to cruising mode in a very short time. >> Scott >> >> >>> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" > wrote: >>> >>> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at >>> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. >>> The > >>> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a >>> Harken >>> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is >>> the > >>> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on >>> the > >>> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When >>> I > >>> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would >>> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there >>> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the > rod. >>> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay >>> had > >>> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns. >>> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and >>> then reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. >>> Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed >>> >>> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt >>> placement > >>> and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On >>> our >>> J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the >>> main halyard and mast at cabin top. >>> >>> Mike >>> Persistence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> frers-list mailing list >>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Oct 10 21:27:42 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:27:42 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Issues Message-ID: <003201cfe4c8$a4e38500$eeaa8f00$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFE4AF.7F98BE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys, =20 Just an update so you know what to expect if you drop your rudder: =20 1. The clearance required is about 23=94. More is better but it = can be done. 2. My rudder stock had one 3=94 bushing at the bottom loose on the = rudder stock and nothing else. The top was supported by a =BC=94plastic plate = on the cockpit sole which I guess served as a bearing but was badly worn. 3. The stainless steel bolt was through the top of the rudder stock = and had two Polyurethane wheels (with flat bottoms) so no wonder there were issues. 4. We were able to drop the rudder and extracting the key and = loosening the bolts and cable. 5. Took about an hout to drop the rudder. Some of the bolts were pretty tight. Anti-seize on the new ones. =20 Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!!! =20 Regards Rod=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFE4AF.7F98BE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys,

 

Just an = update so you know what to expect if you drop your = rudder:

 

1.      = The clearance required is about 23”.  = More is better but it can be done.

2.      = My rudder stock had one 3” bushing at the = bottom loose on the rudder stock and nothing else.  The top was = supported by a ¼”plastic plate on the cockpit sole which I = guess served as a bearing but was badly worn.

3.      = The stainless steel bolt was through the top of = the rudder stock and had two Polyurethane wheels (with flat bottoms) so = no wonder there were issues.

4.      = We were able to drop the rudder and extracting = the key and loosening the bolts and cable.

5.      = Took about an hout to drop the rudder.  = Some of the bolts were pretty tight.  Anti-seize on the new = ones.

 

Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!!!

 

Regards

Rod =

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFE4AF.7F98BE00-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Oct 11 12:48:59 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 08:48:59 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <33bc5ab2-af48-48b8-a040-8c25a3d5e39b@classeaudio.com> References: <13EDE521-D00D-445E-A48E-4B64F20D12A7@geomatrixproductions.com> <33bc5ab2-af48-48b8-a040-8c25a3d5e39b@classeaudio.com> Message-ID: <000701cfe549$588af9f0$09a0edd0$@eastlink.ca> How did the Thundermug go? All seems quiet on the site:) -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: October-02-14 2:29 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions I'm sure you can dust off the notes. It would be worth it. Just = sayin'... David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 = Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. The views = expressed in this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:15 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Way I see it, if Wolverine goes for a three-peat as ECSA champion, we'll have to sit through another rating review this winter. So for the good = of the class, Dave, you really should take a dive on this one.. Just sayin' Edgar Smith Pachyderm_______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Oct 11 15:12:58 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Richard Saunders) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 07:12:58 -0700 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions In-Reply-To: <000701cfe549$588af9f0$09a0edd0$@eastlink.ca> References: <13EDE521-D00D-445E-A48E-4B64F20D12A7@geomatrixproductions.com> <33bc5ab2-af48-48b8-a040-8c25a3d5e39b@classeaudio.com> <000701cfe549$588af9f0$09a0edd0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <1413036778.47710.YahooMailNeo@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --1973766884-1937708864-1413036778=:47710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was truly a Thundemug. Easterly winds 20+ at the start gusting to 30+ d= uring the race, big choppy seas with tidal current against the wind, and sh= owers. Reports are that only XLR8, a Carerra 280 sport boat flew a chute, l= eaving a rooster tail. http://diyc.com/Race/2014-Results/Thundermug-Result= s.htm =0A=0ADick Saunders=0AOut Of Reach=0AWebmaster diyc.com=0A From: Rod = Stright =0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =0ASent: = Saturday, October 11, 2014 7:48 AM=0ASubject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions= =0A =0A=0AHow did the Thundermug go? All seems quiet on the site:)=0A=0A-= ----Original Message-----=0AFrom: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=0A[mai= lto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber=0ASent: Oc= tober-02-14 2:29 PM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASubject: RE: [frer= s-list]Rig tensions=0A=0AI'm sure you can dust off the notes. It would be w= orth it. 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From: Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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Subject: RE: [f= rers-list]Rig tensions

How did the Thundermug g= o?  All seems quiet on the site:)

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I'm sure you can dust off the= notes. It would be worth it. Just sayin'...

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:15 PM
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Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions

Way I see it, if Wolverine goes for a three-peat as ECSA champion= , we'll
have to sit through another rating review this wi= nter. So for the good of
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--1973766884-1937708864-1413036778=:47710-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Oct 12 17:41:44 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:41:44 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #809 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <20141011050203.307BB61B33@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20141011050203.307BB61B33@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: --_2f53a308-d158-415d-a5b9-3ab693b69275_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rod=2C Where'd you get replacement parts ? In particular: 1- the stainless bolt (length/diameter ?) 2-plastic = plate=2C 3-bushings=2C 4-and finally=2C the polyurethane wheels Gratefully=2C Courtney Thomas > From: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com > Subject: frers-list digest=2C Vol 1 #809 - 1 msg > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Date: Sat=2C 11 Oct 2014 00:02:03 -0500 >=20 > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to > frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web=2C visit > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or=2C via email=2C send a message with subject or body 'help' to > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com >=20 > When replying=2C please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. Rudder Issues (Rod Stright) >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 1 > From: Rod Stright > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Date: Fri=2C 10 Oct 2014 17:27:42 -0300 > Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Issues > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >=20 > This is a multipart message in MIME format. >=20 > ------=3D_NextPart_000_0033_01CFE4AF.7F98BE00 > Content-Type: text/plain=3B > charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > Hi Guys=2C >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Just an update so you know what to expect if you drop your rudder: >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > 1. The clearance required is about 23=3D94. More is better but it = =3D > can be > done. >=20 > 2. My rudder stock had one 3=3D94 bushing at the bottom loose on the= =3D > rudder > stock and nothing else. The top was supported by a =3DBC=3D94plastic pla= te =3D > on the > cockpit sole which I guess served as a bearing but was badly worn. >=20 > 3. The stainless steel bolt was through the top of the rudder stock = =3D > and > had two Polyurethane wheels (with flat bottoms) so no wonder there were > issues. >=20 > 4. We were able to drop the rudder and extracting the key and =3D > loosening > the bolts and cable. >=20 > 5. Took about an hout to drop the rudder. Some of the bolts were > pretty tight. Anti-seize on the new ones. >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!!! >=20 > =3D20 >=20 > Regards >=20 > Rod=3D20 >=20 >=20 > ------=3D_NextPart_000_0033_01CFE4AF.7F98BE00 > Content-Type: text/html=3B > charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> > xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D > xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D > xmlns:m=3D3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =3D > xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> link=3D3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D3D"#954F72">

class=3D3DMsoNormal>Hi Guys=2C

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Just an= =3D > update so you know what to expect if you drop your =3D > rudder:

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 =3B

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Rod =3D >

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Where'd you = get replacement parts ?

In particular:
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Gratefully=2C

Courtney Thomas


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= --_2f53a308-d158-415d-a5b9-3ab693b69275_-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Oct 12 20:37:44 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:37:44 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #809 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: References: <20141011050203.307BB61B33@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <000701cfe653$fe8d2250$fba766f0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CFE63A.D9423440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Didn't get anything yet when I do I'll mention it on the website. From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Courtney Thomas Sent: October-12-14 1:42 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #809 - 1 msg Rod, Where'd you get replacement parts ? In particular: 1- the stainless bolt (length/diameter ?) 2-plastic plate, 3-bushings, 4-and finally, the polyurethane wheels Gratefully, Courtney Thomas > From: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com > Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #809 - 1 msg > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 00:02:03 -0500 > > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Rudder Issues (Rod Stright) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: Rod Stright > > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:27:42 -0300 > Subject: [frers-list]Rudder Issues > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFE4AF.7F98BE00 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi Guys, > > =20 > > Just an update so you know what to expect if you drop your rudder: > > =20 > > 1. The clearance required is about 23=94. More is better but it = > can be > done. > > 2. My rudder stock had one 3=94 bushing at the bottom loose on the = > rudder > stock and nothing else. The top was supported by a =BC=94plastic plate = > on the > cockpit sole which I guess served as a bearing but was badly worn. > > 3. The stainless steel bolt was through the top of the rudder stock = > and > had two Polyurethane wheels (with flat bottoms) so no wonder there were > issues. > > 4. We were able to drop the rudder and extracting the key and = > loosening > the bolts and cable. > > 5. Took about an hout to drop the rudder. Some of the bolts were > pretty tight. Anti-seize on the new ones. > > =20 > > Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!!! > > =20 > > Regards > > Rod=20 > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFE4AF.7F98BE00 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = > xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = > xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = > xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">

class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Guys,

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Just an = > update so you know what to expect if you drop your = > rudder:

 

class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 = > lfo1'>1. style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      = > The clearance required is about 23”.  = > More is better but it can be done.

class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 = > lfo1'>2. style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      = > My rudder stock had one 3” bushing at the = > bottom loose on the rudder stock and nothing else.  The top was = > supported by a ¼”plastic plate on the cockpit sole which I = > guess served as a bearing but was badly worn.

class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 = > lfo1'>3. style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      = > The stainless steel bolt was through the top of = > the rudder stock and had two Polyurethane wheels (with flat bottoms) so = > no wonder there were issues.

style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'> !supportLists]>4. style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      = > We were able to drop the rudder and extracting = > the key and loosening the bolts and cable.

class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 = > lfo1'>5. style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      = > Took about an hout to drop the rudder.  = > Some of the bolts were pretty tight.  Anti-seize on the new = > ones.

 

class=3DMsoNormal>Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!!!

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class=3DMsoNormal>Regards

Rod = >

> ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFE4AF.7F98BE00-- > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > > End of frers-list Digest ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CFE63A.D9423440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Didn’t get anything yet when I do = I’ll mention it on the website.

 

From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Courtney = Thomas
Sent: October-12-14 1:42 PM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]RE: = frers-list digest, Vol 1 #809 - 1 = msg

 

Rod,

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

=

Where'd you get = replacement parts ?

=

 

=

In = particular:

=

    =  1- the stainless bolt (length/diameter ?)

=

    =  2-plastic plate, 

=

    =  3-bushings, 

=

    =  4-and finally, the polyurethane wheels

=

 

=

Gratefully,

=

 

=

Courtney = Thomas

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>> From: frers-list-request@l= ists.frers33.com
> Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #809 - 1 = msg
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 00:02:03 -0500
>
> Send = frers-list mailing list submissions to
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> Message: 1
> From: Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca>
>= To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:27:42 -0300
> Subject: = [frers-list]Rudder Issues
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
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> Just an update so you know = what to expect if you drop your rudder:
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> =3D20
> =
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> = and
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>
> 4. We were able to drop the = rudder and extracting the key and =3D
> loosening
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>
> 5. Took about an hout to drop the = rudder. Some of the bolts were
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>
> =3D20
>
> Happy Canadian = Thanksgiving!!!
>
> =3D20
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> Regards
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> Rod=3D20
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CFE63A.D9423440-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 13 15:55:31 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (David Nauber) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:55:31 -0700 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails Message-ID: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ---1476493434-262883625-1413212131=:66616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi everyone, Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! Regards, Dave ---1476493434-262883625-1413212131=:66616 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi everyone,

Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.

We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks!

Regards,

Dave
---1476493434-262883625-1413212131=:66616-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 13 16:02:20 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:02:20 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> --Boundary_(ID_kKfiJbaEnXsOZMZfTfJ8nw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him up with Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jump in. Art > On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. > > We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! > > Regards, > > Dave --Boundary_(ID_kKfiJbaEnXsOZMZfTfJ8nw) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I've been waiting for a quote on one. &= nbsp;I'll chase my guy and hook him up with Jack again. 20% is right where I= feel the deal is "good enough" to jump in. 

Art

O= n Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Jack= Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders= placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to mot= ivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down n= ow and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.

We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'= ll be buying two, so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, righ= t? Please let me know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sai= ls and we'll turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Than= ks!

Regards,

Dave
= --Boundary_(ID_kKfiJbaEnXsOZMZfTfJ8nw)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 13 18:53:26 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:53:26 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> Message-ID: <55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> --=-Y3PLGPwNJ7hp9N4+ricn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great. What are you looking to get? =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him up wi= th Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jump = in.=20 Art On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: Hi everyone, =20 Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail o= rders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough = to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half= down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. =20 We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, = so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me = know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll tur= n our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! =20 Regards, =20 Dave= --=-Y3PLGPwNJ7hp9N4+ricn Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Great. Wh= at are you looking to get?

 

David Nauber
President
Clas= s=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.= com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8= T 1B3

Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bo= werswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins=

This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee = only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (includ= ing electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden w= ithout prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibil= ity for any changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expre= ssed in this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily co= nstitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. <= /span>

&nbs= p;

From: frers-list-admin@= lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf = Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM
<= b>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]F= rers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

 

I've been wai= ting for a quote on one.  I'll chase my guy and hook him up with Jack = again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jum= p in. 

Art


On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber &l= t;dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us= a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed by November 10th. The dea= l is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate you to buy one or two new = weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay the balance when you= take delivery in the Spring.

 

We need to get at least 8 s= ails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so surely we can find anoth= er six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if you're interested o= r definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our group buying power in= to a good deal for everyone. Thanks!

 

Regards,<= /span>

 

Dave

= --=-Y3PLGPwNJ7hp9N4+ricn-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 13 20:40:33 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Robert Farnum) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 15:40:33 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: <55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> <55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> Message-ID: <011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01CFE6FC.075C72C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m in for a #1. =20 Bob =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 Great. What are you looking to get? =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him up = with Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to = jump in.=20 Art On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: Hi everyone, =20 Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new = sail orders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should = be enough to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. = You put half down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the = Spring. =20 We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying = two, so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please = let me know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and = we'll turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! =20 Regards, =20 Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01CFE6FC.075C72C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=E2=80=99m in for a #1.

 

Bob

 

From:= = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave = Nauber
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 = Fleet Deal from North Sails

 

Great. What are you looking to get?

 

= David Nauber<= br>= President
Class=C3=A9<= br>= C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 = Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins<= br>
This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee = only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium = (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly = forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not = accept responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was = sent. The views expressed in this document are that of the individual = and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or = recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. =

 

From:= = frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admi= n@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur = Kelley
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North = Sails

 

I've = been waiting for a quote on one.  I'll chase my guy and hook him up = with Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good = enough" to jump in. 

Art


On Oct 13, 2014, at = 10:55 AM, David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> = wrote:

Hi = everyone,

 

Jack Orr of = North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders = placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to = motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half = down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the = Spring.

 

We need to = get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so = surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me = know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll = turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. = Thanks!

 

Regards,<= /o:p>

 

Dave

------=_NextPart_000_0115_01CFE6FC.075C72C0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 13 22:41:07 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:41:07 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: <011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> <55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> <011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: --=-HbymPP+71cNqsJQfCelj Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That=E2=80=99s four. Who else is in? =20 DN =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Robert Farnum Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 I=E2=80=99m in for a #1. =20 Bob =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 Great. What are you looking to get? =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him up wi= th Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jump = in.=20 Art On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: Hi everyone, =20 Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail o= rders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough = to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half= down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. =20 We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, = so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me = know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll tur= n our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! =20 Regards, =20 Dave= --=-HbymPP+71cNqsJQfCelj Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That=E2= =80=99s four. Who else is in?

 

DN

 

David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran= =C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

Follow Bowe= rs & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkin= s | youtube.com/bowerswilkins

This email message is confid= ential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in wh= ole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and= web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W G= roup Ltd does not accept responsibility for any changes made to this messag= e after it was sent. The views expressed in this document are that of the i= ndividual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or re= commendation by B&W Group Ltd.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-ad= min@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Robert Farnum
Sent: Mo= nday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.comSubject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=

 

I=E2=80=99m in for a #1.

 

Bob

 <= /span>

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@list= s.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
Sent: Monday, = October 13, 2014 1:53 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-= list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

=

 

Grea= t. What are you looking to get?

<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497D'> 

David Nauber
PresidentClass=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011 | classea= udio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC= | H8T 1B3

Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.c= om/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins

This email message is confidential and for use by the addre= ssee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (i= ncluding electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbid= den without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept respon= sibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. The views = expressed in this document are that of the individual and may not necessari= ly constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group L= td.

 

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.= com [mailto:frers= -list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
= Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subje= ct: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

 

I've been waiting for a quote on one.  I'll chase my guy = and hook him up with Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is &quo= t;good enough" to jump in. 

Art

<= p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>
On Oct 13, 2014, at = 10:55 AM, David Nauber <dnauber@yah= oo.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Jack Orr of N= orth Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed = by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate y= ou to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now and= pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.

 

We= need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so= surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me kn= ow if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn = our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks!

 

Regards,

 <= /span>

Dave

= --=-HbymPP+71cNqsJQfCelj-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 13 23:08:25 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:08:25 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net><55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com><011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719DEF@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFE732.59E07A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence. Will = that count toward total? Mike=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 That's four. Who else is in? =20 DN =20 David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Robert Farnum Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 I'm in for a #1. =20 Bob =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 Great. What are you looking to get? =20 David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him up = with Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to = jump in.=20 Art On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: Hi everyone, =20 Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new = sail orders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should = be enough to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. = You put half down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the = Spring. =20 We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying = two, so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please = let me know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and = we'll turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. 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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Probably not since it's Canada but I'll check. Thanks.=0A=0A=0A____________= ____________________=0A From: "Hoyt, Mike" =0ATo: f= rers-list@lists.frers33.com =0ASent: Monday, October 13, 2014 6:08 PM=0ASub= ject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A =0A=0AI order= ed a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence. Will that coun= t toward total?=0A=0AMike =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom:= frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber=0ASent: Mon 13= /10/2014 6:41 PM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASubject: RE: [frers-l= ist]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A=0AThat's four. Who else is in?= =0A=0ADN=0A=0ADavid Nauber=0APresident=0AClass=E9=0A=0AC: 860-301-7011 | cl= asseaudio.com=0AB&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | = H8T 1B3=0AFollow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.= com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins=0A=0AThis email message is c= onfidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its contents = in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mai= l and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W = Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any changes made to this messa= ge after it was sent. The views expressed in this document are that of the = individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or r= ecommendation by B&W Group Ltd. =0A=0AFrom: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.= com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Robert Farnum= =0ASent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.co= m=0ASubject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A=0AI'm = in for a #1.=0A=0ABob=0A=0AFrom: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto= :frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber=0ASent: Monda= y, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASubject: R= E: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A=0AGreat. What are yo= u looking to get?=0A=0ADavid Nauber=0APresident=0AClass=E9=0A=0AC: 860-301-= 7011 | classeaudio.com=0AB&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachin= e | QC | H8T 1B3=0AFollow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins |= twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins=0A=0AThis email mes= sage is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its = contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such= as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written cons= ent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any changes made to t= his message after it was sent. The views expressed in this document are tha= t of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorse= ment or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. =0A=0AFrom: frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthu= r Kelley=0ASent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.f= rers33.com=0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails= =0A=0AI've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him= up with Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to= jump in. =0A=0AArt=0A=0AOn Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote:=0AHi everyone,=0A=0AJack Orr of North Sails has offered= us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed by November 10th. The = deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate you to buy one or two n= ew weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay the balance when = you take delivery in the Spring.=0A=0AWe need to get at least 8 sails order= ed to qualify and I'll be buying two, so surely we can find another six in = the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if you're interested or definite= ly in for some new sails and we'll turn our group buying power into a good = deal for everyone. Thanks!=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0ADave --1966909624-1975498387-1413239238=:59364 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Probably not since it'= s Canada but I'll check. Thanks.

F= rom: "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
= Sent: Monday, October 13,= 2014 6:08 PM
Subject:= RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this mo= nth for Persistence.  Will that count toward total?

Mike



-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber
= Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM
To: frers-list@lists.f= rers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North S= ails

That's four. Who else is in?

DN

David NauberPresident
Class=E9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W= Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
Follow B= owers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wil= kins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins

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From: fre= rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Robert Farnum
Sen= t: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-= list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

I'm in for a #1.

= Bob

From: frers-list-admin@lists.f= rers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@li= sts.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
Sent: Monday, October 13, = 2014 1:53 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.comSubject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

Gre= at. What are you looking to get?

David Nauber
President
Class= =E9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070= Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers= 33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.= frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Monday, October 13, 20= 14 11:02 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.comSubject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

I'v= e been waiting for a quote on one.  I'll chase my guy and hook him up = with Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jum= p in.

Art

On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber <dnau= ber@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,

Jack Orr of North Sail= s has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed by Novemb= er 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate you to buy= one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.

We need to get at le= ast 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so surely we can fin= d another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if you're inter= ested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our group buying p= ower into a good deal for everyone. Thanks!

Regards,

Dave

--1966909624-1975498387-1413239238=:59364-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 14 12:26:31 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:26:31 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Rudder Post Message-ID: <003001cfe7a1$b44c8ba0$1ce5a2e0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CFE788.8EFF53A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone confirm that the rudder post is solid 2.5" aluminum stock. The upper end is hollow so I'm wondering if it was made that way or if the entire stock was pipe and then filled with something or if it covers a stainless steel rod. Have a bit of corrosion where the rudder stock enters the rudder. If it is pipe it could be a problem, if it is solid then it isn't that bad. Rod Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CFE788.8EFF53A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can anyone confirm that the rudder post is solid = 2.5” aluminum stock.  The upper end is hollow so I’m = wondering if it was made that way or if the entire stock was pipe and = then filled with something or if it covers a stainless steel rod.  = Have a bit of corrosion where the rudder stock enters the rudder.  = If it is pipe it could be a problem, if it is solid then it isn’t = that bad. 

 

Rod

Equinox

------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CFE788.8EFF53A0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 14 13:28:03 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:28:03 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: <676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net><55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com><011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> <676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D1B5C16F30A0A3_1FA0_8D2B8_webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'minterested=20can=20we=20order=20through=20our=20local=20northsails=20loft?=0A= 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=0A ----------MB_8D1B5C16F30A0A3_1FA0_8D2B8_webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 14 13:33:43 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:33:43 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net><55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com><011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> <676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: --=-r66xmeCtbvwhGJ4KAOX6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I believe for the US guys they=E2=80=99ll all count. Jack is away unti= l Thursday so I might not hear back until then. =20 What are you interested in getting? =20 DN =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 I'minterested can we order through our local northsails loft? -----Original Message----- From: Hoyt, Mike To: frers-list Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence.=C2=A0 Wi= ll that count toward total? Mike -----Original Message-----From: frers-= list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave NauberSent: Mon 13/10/2014 6= :41 PMTo: frers-list@lists.frers33.comSubject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fle= et Deal from North Sails That's four. Who else is in? DN David NauberPresid= entClass=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.comB&W Group Canada | 5070 Fra= n=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: faceb= ook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilk= ins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. P= ublication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including ele= ctronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without = prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any= changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in thi= s document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or= imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. =C2=A0From: frer= s-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] = On Behalf Of Robert FarnumSent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PMTo: frers-l= ist@lists.frers33.comSubject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from Nort= h Sails I'm in for a #1. Bob From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mail= to:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave NauberSent: Monday= , October 13, 2014 1:53 PMTo: frers-list@lists.frers33.comSubject: RE: [fre= rs-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails Great. What are you looking to= get? David NauberPresidentClass=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.comB&W= Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3Follow Bo= wers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins = | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use = by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in a= ny medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expr= essly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accep= t responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. Th= e views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may not n= ecessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Gro= up Ltd. =C2=A0From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-a= dmin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur KelleySent: Monday, October 13,= 2014 11:02 AMTo: frers-list@lists.frers33.comSubject: Re: [frers-list]Frer= s 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails I've been waiting for a quote on one.=C2= =A0 I'll chase my guy and hook him up with Jack again. 20% is right where I= feel the deal is "good enough" to jump in. Art On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 = AM, David Nauber wrote:Hi everyone, Jack Orr of North S= ails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed by Nov= ember 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate you to = buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay t= he balance when you take delivery in the Spring. We need to get at least 8 = sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so surely we can find anot= her six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if you're interested = or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our group buying power i= nto a good deal for everyone. Thanks! Regards, Dave= --=-r66xmeCtbvwhGJ4KAOX6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, I be= lieve for the US guys they=E2=80=99ll all count. Jack is away until Thursda= y so I might not hear back until then.

 

What= are you interested in getting?

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Fr= om: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, Oct= ober 14, 2014 8:28 AM
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Subj= ect: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

 

I'minterested can we order through our = local northsails loft?

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Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6= :10 pm
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

I orde=
red a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence.=C2=A0 Will tha=
t 
count toward total?
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=
That's four. Who else is in?
 
DN
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I'm in for a #1.
 
Bob
 
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On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails<=
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Great. What are you looking to get?
 
David Nauber
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From: frers-list-a=
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On=
 Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11=
:02 AM
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I=
've been waiting for a quote on one.=C2=A0 I'll chase my guy and hook him u=
p with 
Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is =
"good enough" to jump in. 
 
Art
 
On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 A=
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=
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<= /span>
Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new =
sail orders 
placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off,=
 which should be enough to motivate 
you to buy one or two=
 new weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay 
the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.=

 
We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll b=
e buying two, so 
surely we can find another six in the wh=
ole fleet, right? Please let me know if 
you're interested=
 or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our group 
buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks!<=
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Regards,
<= pre style=3D'background:white'>Dave
 
= --=-r66xmeCtbvwhGJ4KAOX6-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 14 14:26:12 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:26:12 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Rudder Post In-Reply-To: <003001cfe7a1$b44c8ba0$1ce5a2e0$@eastlink.ca> References: <003001cfe7a1$b44c8ba0$1ce5a2e0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0E9F47@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFE7B2.6CFD72FD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rod =20 Can you update use with distance from bottom of keel to ground with your current setup? =20 Mike =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:27 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Rudder Post =20 Can anyone confirm that the rudder post is solid 2.5" aluminum stock. The upper end is hollow so I'm wondering if it was made that way or if the entire stock was pipe and then filled with something or if it covers a stainless steel rod. Have a bit of corrosion where the rudder stock enters the rudder. If it is pipe it could be a problem, if it is solid then it isn't that bad. =20 =20 Rod Equinox ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFE7B2.6CFD72FD Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rod

 

Can you update use with = distance from bottom of keel to ground with your current = setup?

 

Mike

 

From:= = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod = Stright
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:27 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 = Rudder Post

 

Can anyone confirm that the rudder post is solid 2.5” = aluminum stock.  The upper end is hollow so I’m wondering if = it was made that way or if the entire stock was pipe and then filled = with something or if it covers a stainless steel rod.  Have a bit = of corrosion where the rudder stock enters the rudder.  If it is = pipe it could be a problem, if it is solid then it isn’t that = bad. 

 

Rod

Equinox

------_=_NextPart_001_01CFE7B2.6CFD72FD-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 14 14:28:15 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Richard Saunders) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:28:15 -0700 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Rudder Post In-Reply-To: <003001cfe7a1$b44c8ba0$1ce5a2e0$@eastlink.ca> References: <003001cfe7a1$b44c8ba0$1ce5a2e0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <1413293295.70555.YahooMailNeo@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ---1662700043-1935108922-1413293295=:70555 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rod, someone else will have to "confirm" it but the brochure for the Frers = 33 says "The rudder stock is solid aluminum..."=0A=0A =0A From: Rod Stright= =0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =0ASent: Tuesday= , October 14, 2014 7:26 AM=0ASubject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Rudder Post=0A = =0A=0A=0ACan anyone confirm that the rudder post is solid 2.5=E2=80=9D alum= inum stock. The upper end is hollow so I=E2=80=99m wondering if it was mad= e that way or if the entire stock was pipe and then filled with something o= r if it covers a stainless steel rod. Have a bit of corrosion where the ru= dder stock enters the rudder. If it is pipe it could be a problem, if it i= s solid then it isn=E2=80=99t that bad. =0A =0ARod=0AEquinox ---1662700043-1935108922-1413293295=:70555 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rod, someone else w= ill have to "confirm" it but the brochure for the Frers 33 says "The rudder= stock is solid aluminum..."


From: Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca>
To:= frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:26 AM
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Rudder = Post

Can anyone confirm that the rud= der post is solid 2.5=E2=80=9D aluminum stock.  The upper end is hollo= w so I=E2=80=99m wondering if it was made that way or if the entire stock w= as pipe and then filled with something or if it covers a stainless steel ro= d.  Have a bit of corrosion where the rudder stock enters the rudder.&= nbsp; If it is pipe it could be a problem, if it is solid then it isn=E2=80= =99t that bad. 
 
Rod
Equinox


---1662700043-1935108922-1413293295=:70555-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 14 17:57:15 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:57:15 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> <55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> <011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> <676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3EFE3CA4-7143-45CE-857C-E673C46CB938@optonline.net> --Boundary_(ID_UYPZAzfLhnLQxgy5kYjc2g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Last time around Chris spoke to Jack and we/I got the discount. I have 't me= ntioned it yet to Chris, waiting to see the price before asking for the disc= ount.=20 Art > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:28 AM, lessera@aol.com wrote: >=20 > I'minterested can we order through our local northsails loft? >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Hoyt, Mike > To: frers-list > Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >=20 > I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence. Will t= hat=20 > count toward total? >=20 > Mike=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber > Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > That's four. Who else is in? > =20 > DN > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 >=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins=20 > | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including=20= > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden with= out=20 > prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for an= y=20 > changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in thi= s=20 > document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or i= mply=20 > its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Robert Farnum > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I'm in for a #1. > =20 > Bob > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Dave Nauber > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > Great. What are you looking to get? > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 >=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins=20 > | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including=20= > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden with= out=20 > prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for an= y=20 > changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in thi= s=20 > document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or i= mply=20 > its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him up w= ith=20 > Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jump in= .=20 >=20 > Art >=20 > On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: > Hi everyone, > =20 > Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail o= rders=20 > placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to mo= tivate=20 > you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now a= nd pay=20 > the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. > =20 > We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two,= so=20 > surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me kn= ow if=20 > you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our g= roup=20 > buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Dave >=20 --Boundary_(ID_UYPZAzfLhnLQxgy5kYjc2g) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Last time around Chris spoke to Jack a= nd we/I got the discount. I have 't mentioned it yet to Chris, waiting to se= e the price before asking for the discount. 

Art
I'= minterested can we order through our local northsails loft?


-----Original Message-----
From: Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@imp= group.com>
To: frers-list <frers-lis= t@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

I ordered a sail from north in Halifax th=
is month for Persistence.  Will that=20
count toward total?

Mike=20




-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin=
@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber
Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33=
.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
=20
That's four. Who else is in?
=20
DN
=20
David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins=20
| youtube.com/bowerswilkins=


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=20
From: frers-list-admin=
@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20
On Behalf Of Robert Farnum
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33=
.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
=20
I'm in for a #1.
=20
Bob
=20
From: frers-list-admin=
@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20
On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33=
.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
=20
Great. What are you looking to get?
=20
David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
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changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this=20=

document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or im=
ply=20
its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20
=20
From: frers-list-admin=
@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20
On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33=
.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
=20
I've been waiting for a quote on one.  I'll chase my guy and hook him up wit=
h=20
Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jump in.=20=


Art

On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
=20
Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail or=
ders=20
placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to moti=
vate=20
you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now and=
 pay=20
the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.
=20
We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, s=
o=20
surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know=
 if=20
you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our gro=
up=20
buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks!
=20
Regards,
=20
Dave
= --Boundary_(ID_UYPZAzfLhnLQxgy5kYjc2g)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 14 21:35:11 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Robert Connell) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:35:11 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Black Hawk is in for a # 2 Message-ID: <4E2424CD-F26E-4AA8-9133-5C45228FCC84@yahoo.com> Sent from my iPhone From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 15 20:25:49 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:25:49 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Hi all Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pole up. Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters Mike From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 15 20:58:12 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (John Rimel) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:58:12 -0600 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: I crew for a friend on his Frers 30 and it=92s rigged as you describe, = with the down haul on the side of the cabin and pole up haul in a clutch = on the cabin top. I=92m usually doing foredeck these days, and hadn=92t = really given it much thought, but my concern about having them both on = the cabin top near each other might be that crew might accidentally trip = the wrong one, which depending on the circumstances . . . well let=92s = just say it might not be pretty and lead to swearing all around. . . .=20= John Rimel Missoula, MT On Oct 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > Hi all >=20 > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from = which > crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop > beside pole up. Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also > has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of = foredeck > hatch? >=20 > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that > move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam = cleats > on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters >=20 > Mike > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 15 21:11:02 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:11:02 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca> I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on the coach roof, no problem. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul Hi all Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pole up. Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters Mike _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 15 22:05:06 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:05:06 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <808b2303-52e2-4f2f-9070-ce44d82b4af0@classeaudio.com> I prefer it on the sides of the cabin top so it can be reached and eased by= the person trimming the guy on either side of the boat. Also, I'd be caref= ul moving the padeye to aft of the hatch as it doesn't allow the guy to pul= l as straight down and therefore may require a lot more load to keep the po= le from bouncing or it might not be possible to avoid it. It may also limit= your freedom to open the hatch for a launch or takedown. DN David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:26 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul Hi all Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and pole u= p on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from which crew will= often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pole up.= Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved pol= e down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that move= between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam cleats on side= of coachroof for my jib car adjusters Mike _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list = From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 15 22:12:27 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:12:27 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: <002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch. I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft. It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works because there is so much action with a chute flying. In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of cockpit/cabin bulkhead... We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to avoid confusion. Bill Thompson d'Ad Lib Montreal 514 942-6709 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote: > > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the genoa > cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on the coach > roof, no problem. > > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul > > Hi all > > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and pole up > on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from which crew will > often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pole up. > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved pole > down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? > > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that move > between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam cleats on side > of coachroof for my jib car adjusters > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 15 22:21:16 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:21:16 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the downhaul,= by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, so that perso= n normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as needed. There are tim= es where this person is called to another duty so in those cases the main t= rimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it up. David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping lift= (pole up) in cabin top clutch. I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on the r= ail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on a ra= il under spi, & when we do, not that far aft. It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the win= dward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works becaus= e there is so much action with a chute flying. In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of cockpit/cabin= bulkhead... We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the moment= another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to avo= id confusion. Bill Thompson d'Ad Lib Montreal 514 942-6709 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote: >=20 > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=20 > genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on=20 > the coach roof, no problem. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul >=20 > Hi all >=20 > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20 > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from=20 > which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabinto= p beside pole up. > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved=20 > pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? >=20 > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that=20 > move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam=20 > cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters >=20 > Mike > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list = From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 15 22:38:03 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (GENE BOSHES) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:38:03 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]An observation Message-ID: <8D1B6D76F08E894-1430-1FB56@webmail-va018.sysops.aol.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D1B6D76F2C9D61_1430_6A394_webmail-va018.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Guys=0A=0A=0AI,=20for=20what=20ever=20reason,=20receive=20your=20e-=20messages,=20= =20I=20just=20think=20its=20great,=20your=20passion,=20interest,=20instant=20hel= p.=20=20That=20doesn't=20happen=20often=20in=20this=20world.=20=20Good=20for=20y= ou!=0A=0A=0AWhen=20I=20sell=20my=20current=20boat=20I=20will=20find=20a=20F=2033= =20just=20to=20be=20come=20=20real=20member=20of=20the=20club.=0A=0A=0AKeep=20up= =20the=20great=20attitude!!=0A=0A=0AGene=20Boshes=0A ----------MB_8D1B6D76F2C9D61_1430_6A394_webmail-va018.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Guys=0A

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=0A ----------MB_8D1B6D76F2C9D61_1430_6A394_webmail-va018.sysops.aol.com-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 16 01:50:51 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:50:51 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com><002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719DF2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFE8DB.881D37F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense. Have always had pit = person do the downhaul and work with guy trimmer. I think I like this = option even though the other boats C&C 99 and C&C 115 have on cabin top = port side beside pole down. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber Sent: Wed 15/10/2014 6:21 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul =20 I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the = downhaul, by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, = so that person normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as = needed. There are times where this person is called to another duty so = in those cases the main trimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it = up. David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping = lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch. I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on = the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight = on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft. It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the = windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works = because there is so much action with a chute flying. In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of = cockpit/cabin bulkhead... We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the = moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be = positioned to avoid confusion. Bill Thompson d'Ad Lib Montreal 514 942-6709 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote: >=20 > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=20 > genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on=20 > the coach roof, no problem. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul >=20 > Hi all >=20 > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20 > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from=20 > which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on = cabintop beside pole up. > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved=20 > pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? >=20 > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that = > move between boats where possible. 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to consider. If you ever sky the pole in a broach, the angle o= f the line to the pole will become so acute you will be unable to pull it d= own again without dropping the sail. This could be really dangerous. That l= ayout works well on dinghies because you don't have to ease the downhaul to= square back the pole, but I wouldn't mess around with a spinnaker as big a= s ours. And I've had some recent well documented experience broaching to ba= ck up my opinion. ;o) Edgar Smith Pachyderm --_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED6E1DEmbx032w1co2exch03_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with Dave about not moving the down haul block aft, and will= add one more point to consider. If you ever sky the pole in a broach, the = angle of the line to the pole will become so acute you will be unable to pull it down again without dropping = the sail. This could be really dangerous. That layout works well on dinghie= s because you don't have to ease the downhaul to square back the pole, but = I wouldn't mess around with a spinnaker as big as ours. And I've had some recent well documented experience broach= ing to back up my opinion.  ;o)

Edgar Smith
Pachyderm
--_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED6E1DEmbx032w1co2exch03_-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 16 07:27:59 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #816 - 8 msgs In-Reply-To: <20141016005401.8A24D61AC7@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20141016005401.8A24D61AC7@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <688587779.9710745.1413440879104.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> ------=_Part_9710744_629068280.1413440879101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all from Lake Michigan=20 My frers 33 came rigged with the downhaul led from a pole bridle to a doubl= e sheave shackled to an adjustable car on a track in the center of the fore= deck.=C2=A0It is a double ended line that returns aft inboard=C2=A0of the t= eak grab rails on the cabin top. Its terminated in cam cleats located at th= e same level on the side of the cabin top. The up-haul is led aft to the po= rt side through=C2=A0 a clutch. We use an end for end jibe as I am a bit he= sitant to send crew forward to lean on the bow pulpit as it is somewhat und= er-supported with only three bolts to the deck.=C2=A0 The system installed = when we bought the boat has worked quite well for us.=20 =C2=A0=20 Frank Wittosch=20 Pepperke 2.0=20 Lake Michigan contingent.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 From: "list, frers" =20 To: "frers-list" =20 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:54:01 PM=20 Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #816 - 8 msgs=20 Send frers-list mailing list submissions to=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list@lists.frers33.co= m=20 To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://lists.frers33.com/ma= ilman/listinfo/frers-list=20 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list-request@lists.fr= ers33.com=20 You can reach the person managing the list at=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list-admin@lists.frer= s33.com=20 When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific=20 than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..."=20 Today's Topics:=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. Pole downhaul (Hoyt, Mike)=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Re: Pole downhaul (John Rimel)=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 3. RE: Pole downhaul (Rod Stright)=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 4. RE: Pole downhaul (Dave Nauber)=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 5. Re: Pole downhaul (Bill Thompson)=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 6. RE: Pole downhaul (Dave Nauber)=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 7. An observation (GENE BOSHES)=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 8. RE: Pole downhaul (Hoyt, Mike)=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 1=20 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:25:49 -0300=20 From: "Hoyt, Mike" =20 To: =20 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Hi all=20 Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20 pole up on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from whic= h=20 crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop=20 beside pole up. =C2=A0Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0= Also=20 has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck=20 hatch?=20 My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that=20 move between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam cleat= s=20 on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20 Mike=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 2=20 Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 From: John Rimel =20 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:58:12 -0600=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 I crew for a friend on his Frers 30 and it=3D92s rigged as you describe, = =3D=20 with the down haul on the side of the cabin and pole up haul in a clutch = =3D=20 on the cabin top. I=3D92m usually doing foredeck these days, and hadn=3D92t= =3D=20 really given it much thought, but my concern about having them both on =3D= =20 the cabin top near each other might be that crew might accidentally trip = =3D=20 the wrong one, which depending on the circumstances . . . well let=3D92s = =3D=20 just say it might not be pretty and lead to swearing all around. . . .=3D20= =3D=20 John Rimel=20 Missoula, MT=20 On Oct 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:=20 > Hi all=20 >=3D20=20 > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20 > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from = =3D=20 which=20 > crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop=20 > beside pole up. =C2=A0Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2= =A0Also=20 > has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of =3D=20 foredeck=20 > hatch?=20 >=3D20=20 > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that=20 > move between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam =3D= =20 cleats=20 > on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20 >=3D20=20 > Mike=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > frers-list mailing list=20 > frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 3=20 From: Rod Stright =20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:11:02 -0300=20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the genoa= =20 cars located in the same area as the pole down. =C2=A0Up haul is on the coa= ch=20 roof, no problem.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike=20 Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 Hi all=20 Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and pole u= p=20 on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from which crew w= ill=20 often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pole up.= =20 Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0Also has anyone moved = pole=20 down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?=20 My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that move= =20 between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam cleats on = side=20 of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20 Mike=20 _______________________________________________=20 frers-list mailing list=20 frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 4=20 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:05:06 -0400=20 Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 From: Dave Nauber =20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 I prefer it on the sides of the cabin top so it can be reached and eased by= =3D=20 =C2=A0the person trimming the guy on either side of the boat. Also, I'd be = caref=3D=20 ul moving the padeye to aft of the hatch as it doesn't allow the guy to pul= =3D=20 l as straight down and therefore may require a lot more load to keep the po= =3D=20 le from bouncing or it might not be possible to avoid it. It may also limit= =3D=20 =C2=A0your freedom to open the hatch for a launch or takedown.=20 DN=20 David Nauber=20 President=20 Class=3DE9=20 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=20 B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=3DE7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3=20 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= =3D=20 _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins=20 This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= =3D=20 cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= =3D=20 nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= =3D=20 r written consent. 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The views expressed in this do= =3D=20 cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= =3D=20 ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=3D20=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= =3D=20 rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:26 PM=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 Hi all=20 Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and pole u= =3D=20 p on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from which crew= will=3D=20 =C2=A0often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pol= e up.=3D=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0Also has a= nyone moved pol=3D=20 e down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?=20 My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that move= =3D=20 =C2=A0between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam clea= ts on side=3D=20 =C2=A0of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20 Mike=20 _______________________________________________=20 frers-list mailing list=20 frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 =3D=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 5=20 Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 From: Bill Thompson =20 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:12:27 -0400=20 To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping lift= (pole up) in cabin top clutch.=20 I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on the r= ail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on a ra= il under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.=20 It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the win= dward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works becaus= e there is so much action with a chute flying.=20 In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of cockpit/cabin= bulkhead...=20 We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the moment= another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to avo= id confusion.=20 Bill Thompson=20 d'Ad Lib=20 Montreal=20 514 942-6709=20 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote:=20 >=20 > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the gen= oa=20 > cars located in the same area as the pole down. =C2=A0Up haul is on the c= oach=20 > roof, no problem.=20 >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike=20 > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM=20 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 >=20 > Hi all=20 >=20 > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and pole= up=20 > on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from which crew= will=20 > often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pole up= .=20 > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0Also has anyone move= d pole=20 > down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?=20 >=20 > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that mo= ve=20 > between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam cleats o= n side=20 > of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20 >=20 > Mike=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > frers-list mailing list=20 > frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > frers-list mailing list=20 > frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 6=20 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:21:16 -0400=20 Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 From: Dave Nauber =20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the downhaul,= =3D=20 =C2=A0by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, so that = perso=3D=20 n normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as needed. There are tim= =3D=20 es where this person is called to another duty so in those cases the main t= =3D=20 rimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it up.=20 David Nauber=20 President=20 Class=3DE9=20 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=20 B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=3DE7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3=20 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= =3D=20 _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins=20 This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= =3D=20 cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= =3D=20 nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= =3D=20 r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= =3D=20 nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= =3D=20 cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= =3D=20 ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=3D20=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= =3D=20 rs33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping lift= =3D=20 =C2=A0(pole up) in cabin top clutch.=20 I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on the r= =3D=20 ail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on a ra= =3D=20 il under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.=20 It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the win= =3D=20 dward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works becaus= =3D=20 e there is so much action with a chute flying.=20 In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of cockpit/cabin= =3D=20 =C2=A0bulkhead...=20 We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the moment= =3D=20 =C2=A0another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned t= o avo=3D=20 id confusion.=20 Bill Thompson=20 d'Ad Lib=20 Montreal=20 514 942-6709=20 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote:=20 >=3D20=20 > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=3D2= 0=20 > genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. =C2=A0Up haul is on= =3D20=20 > the coach roof, no problem.=20 >=3D20=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike=20 > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM=20 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 >=3D20=20 > Hi all=20 >=3D20=20 > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=3D20= =20 > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from=3D= 20=20 > which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabinto= =3D=20 p beside pole up.=20 > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0Also has anyone move= d=3D20=20 > pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?=20 >=3D20=20 > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that=3D= 20=20 > move between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam=3D2= 0=20 > cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20 >=3D20=20 > Mike=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > frers-list mailing list=20 > frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 >=3D20=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > frers-list mailing list=20 > frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 _______________________________________________=20 frers-list mailing list=20 frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 =3D=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 7=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 From: GENE BOSHES =20 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:38:03 -0400=20 Subject: [frers-list]An observation=20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 This is a multi-part message in MIME format.=20 ----------MB_8D1B6D76F2C9D61_1430_6A394_webmail-va018.sysops.aol.com=20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"=20 Guys=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AI,=3D20for=3D20what=3D20ever=3D20reason,=3D20receive=3D2= 0your=3D20e-=3D20messages,=3D20=3D=20 =3D20I=3D20just=3D20think=3D20its=3D20great,=3D20your=3D20passion,=3D20inte= rest,=3D20instant=3D20hel=3D=20 p.=3D20=3D20That=3D20doesn't=3D20happen=3D20often=3D20in=3D20this=3D20world= .=3D20=3D20Good=3D20for=3D20y=3D=20 ou!=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AWhen=3D20I=3D20sell=3D20my=3D20current=3D20boat=3D20I=3D2= 0will=3D20find=3D20a=3D20F=3D2033=3D=20 =3D20just=3D20to=3D20be=3D20come=3D20=3D20real=3D20member=3D20of=3D20the=3D= 20club.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AKeep=3D20up=3D=20 =3D20the=3D20great=3D20attitude!!=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AGene=3D20Boshes=3D0A=20 ----------MB_8D1B6D76F2C9D61_1430_6A394_webmail-va018.sysops.aol.com=20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"=20 Guys=3D0A
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=3D0A=20 ----------MB_8D1B6D76F2C9D61_1430_6A394_webmail-va018.sysops.aol.com--=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 8=20 Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:50:51 -0300=20 From: "Hoyt, Mike" =20 To: =20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 This is a multi-part message in MIME format.=20 ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CFE8DB.881D37F4=20 Content-Type: text/plain;=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=20 Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense. =C2=A0Have always had pit =3D= =20 person do the downhaul and work with guy trimmer. =C2=A0I think I like this= =3D=20 option even though the other boats C&C 99 and C&C 115 have on cabin top =3D= =20 port side beside pole down.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber=20 Sent: Wed 15/10/2014 6:21 PM=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 =3D20=20 I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the =3D=20 downhaul, by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, =3D= =20 so that person normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as =3D=20 needed. There are times where this person is called to another duty so =3D= =20 in those cases the main trimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it = =3D=20 up.=20 David Nauber=20 President=20 Class=3DE9=20 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=20 B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=3DE7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3=20 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | =3D=20 twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins=20 This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. =3D= =20 Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = =3D=20 electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden =3D= =20 without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept =3D=20 responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. =3D= =20 The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may =3D= =20 not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = =3D=20 B&W Group Ltd.=3D20=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20 [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20 I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping =3D= =20 lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch.=20 I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on =3D= =20 the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight = =3D=20 on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.=20 It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the =3D= =20 windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works =3D= =20 because there is so much action with a chute flying.=20 In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of =3D=20 cockpit/cabin bulkhead...=20 We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the =3D=20 moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be =3D=20 positioned to avoid confusion.=20 Bill Thompson=20 d'Ad Lib=20 Montreal=20 514 942-6709=20 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote:=20 >=3D20=20 > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=3D2= 0=20 > genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. =C2=A0Up haul is on= =3D20=20 > the coach roof, no problem.=20 >=3D20=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike=20 > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM=20 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > Subject: [frers-list]Pole 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Hi all from Lake Michigan
My frers 33 came rigged with the downhaul led from a pole bridle to a = double sheave shackled to an adjustable car on a track in the center of the= foredeck. It is a double ended line that returns aft inboard of = the teak grab rails on the cabin top. Its terminated in cam cleats located = at the same level on the side of the cabin top. The up-haul is led aft to t= he port side through  a clutch. We use an end for end jibe as I am a b= it hesitant to send crew forward to lean on the bow pulpit as it is somewha= t under-supported with only three bolts to the deck.  The system insta= lled when we bought the boat has worked quite well for us.
 
Frank Wittosch
Pepperke 2.0
Lake Michigan contingent. 
 
 
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   1. Pole downhaul (Hoyt, Mike)
   2= . Re: Pole downhaul (John Rimel)
   3. RE: Pole downhaul (Rod = Stright)
   4. RE: Pole downhaul (Dave Nauber)
  = 5. Re: Pole downhaul (Bill Thompson)
   6. RE: Pole downhaul = (Dave Nauber)
   7. An observation (GENE BOSHES)
 &nbs= p; 8. RE: Pole downhaul (Hoyt, Mike)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:25:49 -0300
From:= "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
To: <frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com>
Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
Reply-To: frers-list= @lists.frers33.com

Hi all

Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabi= ntop and
pole up on a clutch on cabintop.  Most boats we sail on (a= nd from which
crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch o= n cabintop
beside pole up.  Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a = clutch?  Also
has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to ju= st aft of foredeck
hatch?

My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to = crews that
move between boats where possible.  Also want to free up= the cam cleats
on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters

Mike

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Message: 2
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
From= : John Rimel <jrimel@mtnpress.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:58:12= -0600
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com

I crew for a friend on his Frers 30 and it=3D92s rigged as y= ou describe, =3D
with the down haul on the side of the cabin and pole up= haul in a clutch =3D
on the cabin top. I=3D92m usually doing foredeck t= hese days, and hadn=3D92t =3D
really given it much thought, but my conce= rn about having them both on =3D
the cabin top near each other might be = that crew might accidentally trip =3D
the wrong one, which depending on = the circumstances . . . well let=3D92s =3D
just say it might not be pret= ty and lead to swearing all around. . . .=3D20=3D


John Rimel
Missoula, MT



On Oct 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgro= up.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>=3D20
> Persistence currently rigge= d with pole down on sides of cabintop and
> pole up on a clutch on ca= bintop.  Most boats we sail on (and from =3D
which
> crew wil= l often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop
> beside= pole up.  Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch?  Also> has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of =3Dforedeck
> hatch?
>=3D20
> My goal is to have boat rigg= ed in a way that is familiar to crews that
> move between boats where= possible.  Also want to free up the cam =3D
cleats
> on side= of coachroof for my jib car adjusters
>=3D20
> Mike
> __= _____________________________________________
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> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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Message: 3
From: Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca>=
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downh= aul
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:11:02 -0300
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.= frers33.com

I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleat= s for the genoa
cars located in the same area as the pole down.  Up= haul is on the coach
roof, no problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.f= rers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt= , Mike
Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.comSubject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul

Hi all

Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabi= ntop and pole up
on a clutch on cabintop.  Most boats we sail on (a= nd from which crew will
often be coming) have pole down also on clutch o= n cabintop beside pole up.
Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch= ?  Also has anyone moved pole
down padeye from foredeck to just aft= of foredeck hatch?

My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to = crews that move
between boats where possible.  Also want to free up= the cam cleats on side
of coachroof for my jib car adjusters

Mike
_______________________________________________
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frers-list@lists.frers33.com
http://lists.frer= s33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:05:06 -0400
Subje= ct: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeau= dio.com>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Reply-To: frers-list@lis= ts.frers33.com

I prefer it on the sides of the cabin top so it can be reach= ed and eased by=3D
 the person trimming the guy on either side of t= he boat. Also, I'd be caref=3D
ul moving the padeye to aft of the hatch = as it doesn't allow the guy to pul=3D
l as straight down and therefore m= ay require a lot more load to keep the po=3D
le from bouncing or it migh= t not be possible to avoid it. It may also limit=3D
 your freedom t= o open the hatch for a launch or takedown.

DN

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-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lis= ts.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf= Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:26 PM
To: frers-li= st@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul

Hi all

Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabi= ntop and pole u=3D
p on a clutch on cabintop.  Most boats we sail o= n (and from which crew will=3D
 often be coming) have pole down als= o on clutch on cabintop beside pole up.=3D
  Has anyone rerout= ed the pole down to a clutch?  Also has anyone moved pol=3D
e down = padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?

My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to = crews that move=3D
 between boats where possible.  Also want t= o free up the cam cleats on side=3D
 of coachroof for my jib car ad= justers

Mike
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frers-list@lists.frers33.com
http://lists.frer= s33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list
=3D


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Message: 5
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
From= : Bill Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:= 12:27 -0400
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frer= s33.com>
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com

I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, a= nd topping lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch.

I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to s= omeone on the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have= weight on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.

It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companion= way, so the windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort = of works because there is so much action with a chute flying.

In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft o= f cockpit/cabin bulkhead...

We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, thoug= h at the moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be po= sitioned to avoid confusion.

Bill Thompson
d'Ad Lib
Montreal
514 942-6709

> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@e= astlink.ca> wrote:
>
> I have the downhaul on each side and= also have the cam cleats for the genoa
> cars located in the same ar= ea as the pole down.  Up haul is on the coach
> roof, no problem= .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admi= n@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On = Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM
> To: frers-= list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
> <= BR>> Hi all
>
> Persistence currently rigged with pole down= on sides of cabintop and pole up
> on a clutch on cabintop.  Mo= st boats we sail on (and from which crew will
> often be coming) have= pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pole up.
> Has anyone re= routed the pole down to a clutch?  Also has anyone moved pole
> = down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?
>
> M= y goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that move<= BR>> between boats where possible.  Also want to free up the cam cl= eats on side
> of coachroof for my jib car adjusters
>
>= Mike
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:21:16 -0400
Subje= ct: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeau= dio.com>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Reply-To: frers-list@lis= ts.frers33.com

I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjus= t the downhaul,=3D
 by definition, you have someone adjusting the s= pinnaker guy, so that perso=3D
n normally would reach forward and ease o= r tighten as needed. There are tim=3D
es where this person is called to = another duty so in those cases the main t=3D
rimmer makes the adjustment= , usually to snug it up.

David Nauber
President
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C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lis= ts.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf= Of Bill Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM
To: frers= -list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul

I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, a= nd topping lift=3D
 (pole up) in cabin top clutch.

I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to s= omeone on the r=3D
ail, which has never happened, mostly because we rare= ly have weight on a ra=3D
il under spi, & when we do, not that far a= ft.

It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companion= way, so the win=3D
dward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - onl= y sort of works becaus=3D
e there is so much action with a chute flying.=

In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft o= f cockpit/cabin=3D
 bulkhead...

We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, thoug= h at the moment=3D
 another cabin top clutch seems better - just me= eds to be positioned to avo=3D
id confusion.

Bill Thompson
d'Ad Lib
Montreal
514 942-6709

> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@e= astlink.ca> wrote:
>=3D20
> I have the downhaul on each side= and also have the cam cleats for the=3D20
> genoa cars located in th= e same area as the pole down.  Up haul is on=3D20
> the coach ro= of, no problem.
>=3D20
> -----Original Message-----
> Fro= m: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@list= s.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM<= BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]Pole = downhaul
>=3D20
> Hi all
>=3D20
> Persistence curre= ntly rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=3D20
> pole up on= a clutch on cabintop.  Most boats we sail on (and from=3D20
> w= hich crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabinto=3D=
p beside pole up.
> Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch= ?  Also has anyone moved=3D20
> pole down padeye from foredeck t= o just aft of foredeck hatch?
>=3D20
> My goal is to have boat = rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that=3D20
> move between bo= ats where possible.  Also want to free up the cam=3D20
> cleats = on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters
>=3D20
> Mike
= > _______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
Date= : Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:50:51 -0300
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgr= oup.com>
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Reply-To: frers-= list@lists.frers33.com

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Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense.  Have alw= ays had pit =3D
person do the downhaul and work with guy trimmer.  = I think I like this =3D
option even though the other boats C&C 99 an= d C&C 115 have on cabin top =3D
port side beside pole down.




-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lis= ts.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber
Sent: Wed 15/10/2014 6:21 PM
= To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<= BR>=3D20
I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust t= he =3D
downhaul, by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker= guy, =3D
so that person normally would reach forward and ease or tighte= n as =3D
needed. There are times where this person is called to another = duty so =3D
in those cases the main trimmer makes the adjustment, usuall= y to snug it =3D
up.

David Nauber
President
Class=3DE9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | = 5070 Fran=3DE7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
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-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lis= ts.frers33.com =3D
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf= Of Bill Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM
To: frers= -list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul

I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, a= nd topping =3D
lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch.

I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to s= omeone on =3D
the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rare= ly have weight =3D
on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far a= ft.

It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companion= way, so the =3D
windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - onl= y sort of works =3D
because there is so much action with a chute flying.=

In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft o= f =3D
cockpit/cabin bulkhead...

We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, thoug= h at the =3D
moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds t= o be =3D
positioned to avoid confusion.

Bill Thompson
d'Ad Lib
Montreal
514 942-6709

> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@e= astlink.ca> wrote:
>=3D20
> I have the downhaul on each side= and also have the cam cleats for the=3D20
> genoa cars located in th= e same area as the pole down.  Up haul is on=3D20
> the coach ro= of, no problem.
>=3D20
> -----Original Message-----
> Fro= m: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@list= s.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM<= BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]Pole = downhaul
>=3D20
> Hi all
>=3D20
> Persistence curre= ntly rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=3D20
> pole up on= a clutch on cabintop.  Most boats we sail on (and from=3D20
> w= hich crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on =3D
cab= intop beside pole up.
> Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch= ?  Also has anyone moved=3D20
> pole down padeye from foredeck t= o just aft of foredeck hatch?
>=3D20
> My goal is to have boat = rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that =3D

> move between boats where possible.  Also want to f= ree up the cam=3D20
> cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adju= sters
>=3D20
> Mike
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------=_Part_9710744_629068280.1413440879101-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 16 09:51:22 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 05:51:22 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719DF2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719DF2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <000001cfe91e$5c334bb0$1499e310$@eastlink.ca> And if it is busy or high winds the mainsail trimmer can also reach the downhaul. Just set the other boats up like the Frers, that's the = answer:)=20 Rod -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: October-15-14 9:51 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense. Have always had pit = person do the downhaul and work with guy trimmer. I think I like this option even though the other boats C&C 99 and C&C 115 have on cabin top port side = beside pole down. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber Sent: Wed 15/10/2014 6:21 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul =20 I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the = downhaul, by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, so that = person normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as needed. There are = times where this person is called to another duty so in those cases the main trimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it up. David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 = Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. The views = expressed in this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping = lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch. I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on = the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on = a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft. It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works because there is so much action with a chute flying. In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of = cockpit/cabin bulkhead... We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the = moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to = avoid confusion. Bill Thompson d'Ad Lib Montreal 514 942-6709 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote: >=20 > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=20 > genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on=20 > the coach roof, no problem. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul >=20 > Hi all >=20 > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20 > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from=20 > which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on = cabintop beside pole up. > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved=20 > pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? >=20 > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that = > move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam=20 > cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters >=20 > Mike > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 16 14:06:15 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:06:15 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719DF2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com><002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719DF2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <6466ca88-0bdd-4197-a636-bf146b5cb0ba@classeaudio.com> The one time I can think that it makes sense for the main trimmer to do it = is when you're trying to square the pole in breeze and you don't want to r= isk it skying, which could happen after it's popped out of the cam cleat wh= ile the guy is being ground back. If the main trimmer has it in his hand he= can guard against this. Otherwise, if you have self tailing primary winche= s as we do, then the guy trimmer can grind with one hand and keep the downh= aul in his other hand as it's easing out. DN David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:51 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense. Have always had pit person d= o the downhaul and work with guy trimmer. I think I like this option even = though the other boats C&C 99 and C&C 115 have on cabin top port side besid= e pole down. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber Sent: Wed 15/10/2014 6:21 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul =20 I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the downhaul,= by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, so that perso= n normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as needed. There are tim= es where this person is called to another duty so in those cases the main t= rimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it up. David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow B= owers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins= | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping lift= (pole up) in cabin top clutch. I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on the r= ail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on a ra= il under spi, & when we do, not that far aft. It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the win= dward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works becaus= e there is so much action with a chute flying. In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of cockpit/cabin= bulkhead... We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the moment= another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to avo= id confusion. Bill Thompson d'Ad Lib Montreal 514 942-6709 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote: >=20 > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=20 > genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on=20 > the coach roof, no problem. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul >=20 > Hi all >=20 > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20 > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from=20 > which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabinto= p beside pole up. > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved=20 > pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? >=20 > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that=20 > move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam=20 > cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters >=20 > Mike > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list = From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 16 14:23:57 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:23:57 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: <6466ca88-0bdd-4197-a636-bf146b5cb0ba@classeaudio.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com><002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca><4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719DF2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <6466ca88-0bdd-4197-a636-bf146b5cb0ba@classeaudio.com> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA73D@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is interesting. On our last boat (J27) was beside pole uphaul on = forward edge of sea hood. The person in the pit controlled pole up and = down. On C&C 115 that we race regularly is port side cabintop thru a = clutch and again controlled by pit person. If a lot of pressure on a = windy day a wrap or two around cabintop winch can help. C&C99 that we = sometimes race same as C&C 115. In all cases the pit person has to work = with the person controlling guy when adjusting pole forward or back. My number one concern is to eliminate confusion as people move between = boats. Also since we have ten clutches and nice winches on cabintop may = as well use some of them. Mike -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:06 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul The one time I can think that it makes sense for the main trimmer to do = it is when you're trying to square the pole in breeze and you don't = want to risk it skying, which could happen after it's popped out of the = cam cleat while the guy is being ground back. If the main trimmer has it = in his hand he can guard against this. Otherwise, if you have self = tailing primary winches as we do, then the guy trimmer can grind with = one hand and keep the downhaul in his other hand as it's easing out. DN David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 = Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:51 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense. Have always had pit = person do the downhaul and work with guy trimmer. I think I like this = option even though the other boats C&C 99 and C&C 115 have on cabin top = port side beside pole down. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber Sent: Wed 15/10/2014 6:21 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul =20 I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the = downhaul, by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, = so that person normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as = needed. There are times where this person is called to another duty so = in those cases the main trimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it = up. David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 = Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping = lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch. I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on = the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight = on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft. It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the = windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works = because there is so much action with a chute flying. In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of = cockpit/cabin bulkhead... We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the = moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be = positioned to avoid confusion. Bill Thompson d'Ad Lib Montreal 514 942-6709 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote: >=20 > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=20 > genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on=20 > the coach roof, no problem. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul >=20 > Hi all >=20 > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20 > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from=20 > which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on = cabintop beside pole up. > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved=20 > pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? >=20 > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that = > move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam=20 > cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters >=20 > Mike > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 16 15:09:40 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:09:40 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84D35091-7C97-446E-98EF-8F331E67DCAE@yahoo.com> --Apple-Mail-A632FD06-7611-4D4E-9F88-D9F34220D2AC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Jack. What about orders from Canada? I assume orders from NY count, r= ight? Regards, Dave > On Oct 16, 2014, at 7:54 AM, Jack Orr wrote: >=20 > Dave, >=20 > Thanks for sending this out. >=20 > A couple of conditions on our end: >=20 > Orders in by November 1st. >=20 > We need eight sails at least to get this special pricing. >=20 > Half of the price down by Nov 10th.=20 >=20 > The balance has to get paid at time of delivery or thirty days after the s= ail is completed. I anticipate the earliest any sails will be done is late Fe= bruary. But it could be earlier... >=20 > This really is a great deal, so thanks to Dave for getting the word out. >=20 > Thanks! > Jack O. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote:= >> Hi everyone, >>=20 >> Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail= orders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough= to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half= down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. >>=20 >> We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two= , so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me= know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll tur= n our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> Dave >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jack Orr >=20 > NORTH SAILS > Milford, CT >=20 > O:203-877-7621 > M:860-662-0281 > skype:jackorr3334 > NorthSails.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-A632FD06-7611-4D4E-9F88-D9F34220D2AC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Jack. What about orders from Ca= nada? I assume orders from NY count, right?

Regards,
Dave

On Oct 16, 2014, at 7:54 AM, Jack Orr <Jack.Orr@northsails.com> wrote:

Dave,

Thank= s for sending this out.

A couple of conditions on o= ur end:

Orders in by November 1st.

We need eight sails at least to get this special pricing.

Half of the price down by Nov 10th. 

The balance has to get paid at time of delivery or thirty days after t= he sail is completed. I anticipate the earliest any sails will be done is la= te February. But it could be earlier...

This really= is a great deal, so thanks to Dave for getting the word out.

=
Thanks!
Jack O.







On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM= , David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,

=
Jack Orr of North S= ails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed by Nove= mber 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate you to bu= y one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay the b= alance when you take delivery in the Spring.

We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and= I'll be buying two, so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, r= ight? Please let me know if you're interested or definitely in for some new s= ails and we'll turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Th= anks!

Regards,

Dave



--



Jack Orr

NORTH SAILS
Milford, CT

O:203-877-7621
M:860-662-0281
skype:jackorr3334
NorthSails.com

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= --Apple-Mail-A632FD06-7611-4D4E-9F88-D9F34220D2AC-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 16 15:37:15 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Stephen, Robert) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:37:15 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA73D@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com><002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca><4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719DF2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <6466ca88-0bdd-4197-a636-bf146b5cb0ba@classeaudio.com> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA73D@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <1A6A3F1ED0C9554B87B4531ABB26D6F0152183EE@M4DAG1.weberstephen.com> This has been a interesting, enlighten information Thank you all of your help Bob Stephen Frers 36 Itchy Magoo - Chicago -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:24 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul This is interesting. On our last boat (J27) was beside pole uphaul on forw= ard edge of sea hood. The person in the pit controlled pole up and down. = On C&C 115 that we race regularly is port side cabintop thru a clutch and a= gain controlled by pit person. If a lot of pressure on a windy day a wrap = or two around cabintop winch can help. C&C99 that we sometimes race same a= s C&C 115. In all cases the pit person has to work with the person control= ling guy when adjusting pole forward or back. My number one concern is to eliminate confusion as people move between boat= s. Also since we have ten clutches and nice winches on cabintop may as wel= l use some of them. Mike -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:06 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul The one time I can think that it makes sense for the main trimmer to do it = is when you're trying to square the pole in breeze and you don't want to r= isk it skying, which could happen after it's popped out of the cam cleat wh= ile the guy is being ground back. If the main trimmer has it in his hand he= can guard against this. Otherwise, if you have self tailing primary winche= s as we do, then the guy trimmer can grind with one hand and keep the downh= aul in his other hand as it's easing out. DN David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow B= owers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins= | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:51 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense. Have always had pit person d= o the downhaul and work with guy trimmer. I think I like this option even = though the other boats C&C 99 and C&C 115 have on cabin top port side besid= e pole down. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber Sent: Wed 15/10/2014 6:21 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the downhaul,= by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, so that perso= n normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as needed. There are tim= es where this person is called to another duty so in those cases the main t= rimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it up. David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow B= owers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins= | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping lift= (pole up) in cabin top clutch. I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on the r= ail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on a ra= il under spi, & when we do, not that far aft. It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the win= dward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works becaus= e there is so much action with a chute flying. In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of cockpit/cabin= bulkhead... We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the moment= another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to avo= id confusion. Bill Thompson d'Ad Lib Montreal 514 942-6709 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote: > > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the > genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on > the coach roof, no problem. > > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul > > Hi all > > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from > which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabinto= p beside pole up. > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved > pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? > > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that > move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam > cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list ________________________________ This email is intended solely for use by its addressee, and may contain con= fidential or legally privileged information. If you receive this message in= error, please immediately email a reply to advise the sender of the error = and delete this email and any attachments. Thank you. Weber-Stephen Product= s LLC From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 15 22:49:56 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (William Thompson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:49:56 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: Sounds like a good answer Dave. Thanks. We'll try it on Sunday. Bill Thompson -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: October-15-14 5:21 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the downhaul,= by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, so that person= normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as needed. There are times= where this person is called to another duty so in those cases the main trimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it up. David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkin= s | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility= for any changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed= in this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping lift= (pole up) in cabin top clutch. I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft. It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works because there is so much action with a chute flying. In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of cockpit/cabin= bulkhead... We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the moment= another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to avoi= d confusion. Bill Thompson d'Ad Lib Montreal 514 942-6709 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote: > > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the > genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on > the coach roof, no problem. > > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul > > Hi all > > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from > which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabinto= p beside pole up. > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved > pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? > > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that > move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam > cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protec= tion is active. http://www.avast.com From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 16 13:54:33 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Jack Orr) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:54:33 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --089e01634a40066d12050589c050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dave, Thanks for sending this out. A couple of conditions on our end: Orders in by November 1st. We need eight sails at least to get this special pricing. Half of the price down by Nov 10th. The balance has to get paid at time of delivery or thirty days after the sail is completed. I anticipate the earliest any sails will be done is late February. But it could be earlier... This really is a great deal, so thanks to Dave for getting the word out. Thanks! Jack O. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail > orders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough > to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half > down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. > > We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, > so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me > know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll > turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! > > Regards, > > Dave > -- Jack Orr *NORTH SAILS* Milford, CT O:203-877-7621 M:860-662-0281 skype:jackorr3334 NorthSails.com --089e01634a40066d12050589c050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,

Thanks for sending this out.

A couple of conditions on our end:

Orders in by November 1st.

We need eight sai= ls at least to get this special pricing.

Half of t= he price down by Nov 10th.=C2=A0

The balance has t= o get paid at time of delivery or thirty days after the sail is completed. = I anticipate the earliest any sails will be done is late February. But it c= ould be earlier...

This really is a great deal, so= thanks to Dave for getting the word out.

Thanks!<= /div>
Jack O.






=
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM, David Nauber <= span dir=3D"ltr"><dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:
=
Hi everyone,

Ja= ck Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail ord= ers placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to= motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half d= own now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.

We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify an= d I'll be buying two, so surely we can find another six in the whole fl= eet, right? Please let me know if you're interested or definitely in fo= r some new sails and we'll turn our group buying power into a good deal= for everyone. Thanks!

Regards,

Dave



--



Jack=C2=A0Orr

NORTH SAILS
Milford, CT

O:203-877-7621
M:860-662-0281
skype:jackorr3334
NorthSails.com<= br>

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--089e01634a40066d12050589c050-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Oct 17 17:32:45 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Ted Dombroski) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:32:45 -0700 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1413563565.6668.YahooMailNeo@web181201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ---106228746-481754316-1413563565=:6668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jack, I'd like to have you take a look at the #1 head sail I purchased this spring. In order to trim the sail in and get the tell tails streaming evenly when close hauled the clew is pulled completely into the genoa car. Let me know when I can stop by with the sail for you to take a look at it. Thanks, Ted Ted Dombroski, Architect DOMBROSKI ARCHITECTS, llc. 71 Whitfield Street Suite C Guilford, CT. 06437 T 203-453-8606 C 203-589-9674 On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:39 AM, Jack Orr wrote: Dave, Thanks for sending this out. A couple of conditions on our end: Orders in by November 1st. We need eight sails at least to get this special pricing. Half of the price down by Nov 10th. The balance has to get paid at time of delivery or thirty days after the sail is completed. I anticipate the earliest any sails will be done is late February. But it could be earlier... This really is a great deal, so thanks to Dave for getting the word out. Thanks! Jack O. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: Hi everyone, > > >Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. > > >We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! > > >Regards, > > >Dave -- Jack Orr NORTH SAILS Milford, CT O:203-877-7621 M:860-662-0281 skype:jackorr3334 NorthSails.com ---106228746-481754316-1413563565=:6668 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Jack,

I'd like to have you take a look at the #1 head sail I purchased this spring. In order to trim the sail in and get the tell tails streaming evenly when close hauled the clew is pulled completely into the genoa car.  Let me know when I can stop by with the sail for you to take a look at it.

Thanks,

Ted
 
Ted Dombroski, Architect
DOMBROSKI ARCHITECTS, llc.
71 Whitfield Street Suite C
Guilford, CT. 06437
T 203-453-8606
C 203-589-9674


On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:39 AM, Jack Orr <Jack.Orr@northsails.com> wrote:


Dave,

Thanks for sending this out.

A couple of conditions on our end:

Orders in by November 1st.

We need eight sails at least to get this special pricing.

Half of the price down by Nov 10th. 

The balance has to get paid at time of delivery or thirty days after the sail is completed. I anticipate the earliest any sails will be done is late February. But it could be earlier...

This really is a great deal, so thanks to Dave for getting the word out.

Thanks!
Jack O.







On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM, David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,

Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now and pay the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.

We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our group buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks!

Regards,

Dave



--



Jack Orr

NORTH SAILS
Milford, CT

O:203-877-7621
M:860-662-0281
skype:jackorr3334
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---106228746-481754316-1413563565=:6668-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Oct 18 02:39:20 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Art Kelley) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:39:20 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul In-Reply-To: <1A6A3F1ED0C9554B87B4531ABB26D6F0152183EE@M4DAG1.weberstephen.com> References: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA595@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <002c01cfe8b4$24914050$6db3c0f0$@eastlink.ca> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719DF2@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <6466ca88-0bdd-4197-a636-bf146b5cb0ba@classeaudio.com> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A0EA73D@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> <1A6A3F1ED0C9554B87B4531ABB26D6F0152183EE@M4DAG1.weberstephen.com> Message-ID: <028601cfea74$56559930$0300cb90$@optonline.net> When I purchased her, Brilliant had been re-rigged for end-to-end jibes, bridle centered on pole, and the downhaul led back to a point just = forward of the mast, then to the cabin top clutches. The topping lift and = downhaul are wildly different colors, and the pit person generally controls both = - easy to coordinate. It tends to work for us. A good bit of the crew = I've been getting recently are J/24 sailors, and this is familiar to them. = Have we ever had a pole sky? Sure - not fun, but mostly it's been during the jibe when the mast man is still holding the pole prior to clipping it to = the mast. The best part of this is we can practically turn from a dead run up to a beam reach without having to touch the topping lift or downhaul. Art -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:37 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul This has been a interesting, enlighten information Thank you all of your help Bob Stephen Frers 36 Itchy Magoo - Chicago -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:24 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul This is interesting. On our last boat (J27) was beside pole uphaul on forward edge of sea hood. The person in the pit controlled pole up and down. On C&C 115 that we race regularly is port side cabintop thru a = clutch and again controlled by pit person. If a lot of pressure on a windy day = a wrap or two around cabintop winch can help. C&C99 that we sometimes = race same as C&C 115. In all cases the pit person has to work with the = person controlling guy when adjusting pole forward or back. My number one concern is to eliminate confusion as people move between boats. Also since we have ten clutches and nice winches on cabintop may = as well use some of them. Mike -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:06 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul The one time I can think that it makes sense for the main trimmer to do = it is when you're trying to square the pole in breeze and you don't want = to risk it skying, which could happen after it's popped out of the cam = cleat while the guy is being ground back. If the main trimmer has it in his = hand he can guard against this. Otherwise, if you have self tailing primary winches as we do, then the guy trimmer can grind with one hand and keep = the downhaul in his other hand as it's easing out. DN David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 = Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. The views = expressed in this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:51 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense. Have always had pit = person do the downhaul and work with guy trimmer. I think I like this option even though the other boats C&C 99 and C&C 115 have on cabin top port side = beside pole down. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber Sent: Wed 15/10/2014 6:21 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the = downhaul, by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, so that = person normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as needed. There are = times where this person is called to another duty so in those cases the main trimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it up. David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 = Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. The views = expressed in this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping = lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch. I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on = the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on = a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft. It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works because there is so much action with a chute flying. In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of = cockpit/cabin bulkhead... We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the = moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to = avoid confusion. Bill Thompson d'Ad Lib Montreal 514 942-6709 > On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright wrote: > > I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=20 > genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on=20 > the coach roof, no problem. > > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul > > Hi all > > Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20 > pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from=20 > which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on = cabintop beside pole up. > Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved=20 > pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch? > > My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that = > move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam=20 > cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list ________________________________ This email is intended solely for use by its addressee, and may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you receive this = message in error, please immediately email a reply to advise the sender of the = error and delete this email and any attachments. Thank you. Weber-Stephen = Products LLC _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 22 14:16:43 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:16:43 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? Message-ID: Greetings !=0A= =0A= I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains with= out diving into the starboard=0A= cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus.=0A= =0A= I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the crosshatc= hed screen and want to most easily=0A= clean it out.=0A= =0A= Can they be unscrewed and if so=2C how ? If not=2C can the solid circular a= nnular ring in which the screen is=A0=0A= embedded/mounted be itself=2C with the 'screen'=2C be removed and if so=2C = how ?=A0=0A= =0A= If none of the above applies=2C any suggestions ?=0A= =0A= Appreciatively=2C=0A= =0A= Courtney Thomas = From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 23 00:06:49 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:06:49 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I unscrewed the screens on my boat and presto all the crap was gone. Took 2= 0 seconds. > On Oct 22, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Courtney Thomas wrot= e: >=20 > Greetings ! >=20 > I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains wit= hout diving into the starboard > cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus. >=20 > I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the crosshat= ched screen and want to most easily > clean it out. >=20 > Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid circular annu= lar ring in which the screen is=20 > embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how ?= =20 >=20 > If none of the above applies, any suggestions ? >=20 > Appreciatively, >=20 > Courtney Thomas __________________________________= _____________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 23 06:19:50 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #822 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: <20141023050300.6DE7361AEB@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20141023050300.6DE7361AEB@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <1612730560.13964987.1414041590323.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> ------=_Part_13964986_53079671.1414041590322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My drains had no screws to hold them in. They just pop out. Stuff a hose do= wn the pipe and they'll flush out unless some critter has made a home down = there.=20 =C2=A0=20 Frank Wittosch=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 From: "list, frers" =20 To: "frers-list" =20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:03:00 AM=20 Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #822 - 2 msgs=20 Send frers-list mailing list submissions to=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list@lists.frers33.co= m=20 To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://lists.frers33.com/ma= ilman/listinfo/frers-list=20 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list-request@lists.fr= ers33.com=20 You can reach the person managing the list at=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list-admin@lists.frer= s33.com=20 When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific=20 than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..."=20 Today's Topics:=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. 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If not=3D2C can the solid circul= ar a=3D=20 nnular ring in which the screen is=3DA0=3D0A=3D=20 embedded/mounted be itself=3D2C with the 'screen'=3D2C be removed and if so= =3D2C =3D=20 how ?=3DA0=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 If none of the above applies=3D2C any suggestions ?=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 Appreciatively=3D2C=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 Courtney Thomas =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 2=20 Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from top= side ?=20 From: Scott Marino =20 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:06:49 -0400=20 To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 I unscrewed the screens on my boat and presto all the crap was gone. =C2=A0= Took 2=3D=20 0 seconds.=20 > On Oct 22, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Courtney Thomas wro= t=3D=20 e:=20 >=3D20=20 > Greetings !=20 >=3D20=20 > I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains wi= t=3D=20 hout diving into the starboard=20 > cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus.=20 >=3D20=20 > I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the crossha= t=3D=20 ched screen and want to most easily=20 > clean it out.=20 >=3D20=20 > Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid circular ann= u=3D=20 lar ring in which the screen is=3D20=20 > embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how = ?=3D=20 =3D20=20 >=3D20=20 > If none of the above applies, any suggestions ?=20 >=3D20=20 > Appreciatively,=20 >=3D20=20 > Courtney Thomas =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 __________________________________=3D=20 _____________=20 > frers-list mailing list=20 > frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 --__--__--=20 _______________________________________________=20 frers-list mailing list=20 frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20 End of frers-list Digest=20 ------=_Part_13964986_53079671.1414041590322 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My drains had no screws to h= old them in. They just pop out. Stuff a hose down the pipe and they'll flus= h out unless some critter has made a home down there.
 
Frank Wittosch
 
 
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   1. How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains fr= om topside ? (Courtney Thomas)
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Message: 1
From: Courtney Thomas <ccthomas01@hotmail.c= om>
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.c= om>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:16:43 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]How= to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ?
Reply-To: frers-li= st@lists.frers33.com

Greetings !=3D0A=3D
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I would appreciate knowin= g how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains with=3D
out diving into th= e starboard=3D0A=3D
cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck = apparatus.=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D
I don't want to break 'em but can see lot= s of debris stuffing the crosshatc=3D
hed screen and want to most easily= =3D0A=3D
clean it out.=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D
Can they be unscrewed and = if so=3D2C how ? If not=3D2C can the solid circular a=3D
nnular ring in = which the screen is=3DA0=3D0A=3D
embedded/mounted be itself=3D2C with th= e 'screen'=3D2C be removed and if so=3D2C =3D
how ?=3DA0=3D0A=3D
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If none of the above applies=3D2C any suggestions ?=3D0A=3D
=3D0= A=3D
Appreciatively=3D2C=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D
Courtney Thomas  &n= bsp;            = ;               = ;            &n= bsp;    =3D

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Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the = 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ?
From: Scott Marino <scottamarino@= yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:06:49 -0400
To: "frers-list@l= ists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Reply-To: frers-l= ist@lists.frers33.com

I unscrewed the screens on my boat and presto all the crap w= as gone.  Took 2=3D
0 seconds.

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Courtney Thomas <ccthom= as01@hotmail.com> wrot=3D
e:
>=3D20
> Greetings !
>= =3D20
> I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockp= it drains wit=3D
hout diving into the starboard
> cockpit hatch an= d wrestling with all the below deck apparatus.
>=3D20
> I don't= want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the crosshat=3D
c= hed screen and want to most easily
> clean it out.
>=3D20
&g= t; Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid circular an= nu=3D
lar ring in which the screen is=3D20
> embedded/mounted be i= tself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how ?=3D
=3D20
>= =3D20
> If none of the above applies, any suggestions ?
>=3D20<= BR>> Appreciatively,
>=3D20
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------=_Part_13964986_53079671.1414041590322-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 23 14:00:58 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Richard Saunders) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:00:58 -0700 Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1414069258.32609.YahooMailNeo@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --623363293-204822115-1414069258=:32609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Courtney, the plastic screens should pop out. Be careful, because they get brittle over time. Gently pry out with a small screw drive or knife, or make a hook with a coat hanger wire. Dick Saunders Out Of Reach ________________________________ From: Courtney Thomas To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:16 AM Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? Greetings ! I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains without diving into the starboard cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus. I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the crosshatched screen and want to most easily clean it out. Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid circular annular ring in which the screen is embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how ? If none of the above applies, any suggestions ? Appreciatively, Courtney Thomas _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --623363293-204822115-1414069258=:32609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Courtney, the plastic screens should pop out.  Be careful, because they get brittle over time.  Gently pry out with a small screw drive or knife, or make a hook with a coat hanger wire. 

Dick Saunders
Out Of Reach


From: Courtney Thomas <ccthomas01@hotmail.com>
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:16 AM
Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ?

Greetings !

I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains without diving into the starboard
cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus.

I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the crosshatched screen and want to most easily
clean it out.

Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid circular annular ring in which the screen is 
embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how ? 

If none of the above applies, any suggestions ?

Appreciatively,

Courtney Thomas                         _______________________________________________
frers-list mailing list
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--623363293-204822115-1414069258=:32609-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 23 14:06:30 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:06:30 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? In-Reply-To: <1414069258.32609.YahooMailNeo@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1414069258.32609.YahooMailNeo@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01cfeec2$299795e0$7cc6c1a0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CFEEA9.044CCEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score with a knife they should pop out and Dick describes. Rod From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Richard Saunders Sent: October-23-14 10:01 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? Courtney, the plastic screens should pop out. Be careful, because they get brittle over time. Gently pry out with a small screw drive or knife, or make a hook with a coat hanger wire. Dick Saunders Out Of Reach From: Courtney Thomas > To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com " > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:16 AM Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? Greetings ! I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains without diving into the starboard cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus. I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the crosshatched screen and want to most easily clean it out. Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid circular annular ring in which the screen is embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how ? If none of the above applies, any suggestions ? Appreciatively, Courtney Thomas _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CFEEA9.044CCEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sometimes they are in with sealant but if = you score with a knife they should pop out and Dick = describes.

 

Rod

 

From:<= /b> = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Richard = Saunders
Sent: October-23-14 10:01 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to = clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside = ?

 

C= ourtney, the plastic screens should pop out.  Be careful, because = they get brittle over time.  Gently pry out with a small screw = drive or knife, or make a hook with a coat hanger wire.  =

<= o:p> 

D= ick Saunders

O= ut Of Reach

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

Fro= m: = Courtney Thomas <ccthomas01@hotmail.com>
= To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com= " <frers-list@lists.frers33.com= >
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:16 = AM
Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit = drains from topside ?


Greetings = !

I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit = drains without diving into the starboard
cockpit hatch and wrestling = with all the below deck apparatus.

I don't want to break 'em but = can see lots of debris stuffing the crosshatched screen and want to most = easily
clean it out.

Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If = not, can the solid circular annular ring in which the screen = is 
embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed = and if so, how ? 

If none of the above applies, any = suggestions ?

Appreciatively,

Courtney Thomas =               =           = _______________________________________________
frers-list mailing = list
frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list

------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CFEEA9.044CCEE0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 23 17:21:15 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:21:15 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 Message-ID: <005301cfeedd$5e19b580$1a4d2080$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CFEEC4.38CC7D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, Just checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube. I have removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape. There is the space between the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the quadrant (approximately 4 - 5"). On Equinox there is nothing under the quadrant (in or around the upper end of the lower tube) to prevent water from coning into the boat. Does anyone have something there. If so what? Rod Stright Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CFEEC4.38CC7D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys,

 

Just = checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube.  I = have removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape.  There is = the space between the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the = quadrant (approximately 4 – 5”).  On Equinox there is = nothing under the quadrant (in or around the upper end of the lower = tube) to prevent water from coning into the boat.  Does anyone have = something there.  If so what?

 

Rod = Stright

Equinox

------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CFEEC4.38CC7D80-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 23 17:31:33 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (John Rimel) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:31:33 -0600 Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? In-Reply-To: <001e01cfeec2$299795e0$7cc6c1a0$@eastlink.ca> References: <1414069258.32609.YahooMailNeo@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001e01cfeec2$299795e0$7cc6c1a0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <2D581BBB-6F3C-4D28-B688-D29A74E05415@mtnpress.com> --Apple-Mail=_794D8981-1768-414D-82CA-F89522D016C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Two thoughts that might be helpful. . . =20 You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up and = out. If there=92s gunk below the screens that forms a plug, then once the = screen is out, most hardware stores carry a very handy plastic barbed = drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down the drain and pull back = up. It=92s got lots of little barbs that catch all the debris and pull = it out. It=92s designed to be flexible enough to go through P-traps on = sinks and they seem to work pretty well.=20 John Rimel Mountain Press Publishing Company 1301 South Third West P.O. Box 2399=09 Missoula, MT 59806 Phone: 406-728-1900 ext. 121 Fax: 406-728-1635 E-mail: mailto:jrimel@mtnpress.com Website: http://mountain-press.com/ Cell: 406-880-2464 On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, Rod Stright wrote: > Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score with a knife they = should pop out and Dick describes. > =20 > Rod > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Richard = Saunders > Sent: October-23-14 10:01 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains = from topside ? > =20 > Courtney, the plastic screens should pop out. Be careful, because = they get brittle over time. Gently pry out with a small screw drive or = knife, or make a hook with a coat hanger wire.=20 > =20 > Dick Saunders > Out Of Reach > =20 > =20 > From: Courtney Thomas > To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:16 AM > Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from = topside ? >=20 > Greetings ! >=20 > I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains = without diving into the starboard > cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus. >=20 > I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the = crosshatched screen and want to most easily > clean it out. >=20 > Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid circular = annular ring in which the screen is=20 > embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, = how ?=20 >=20 > If none of the above applies, any suggestions ? >=20 > Appreciatively, >=20 > Courtney Thomas = _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 --Apple-Mail=_794D8981-1768-414D-82CA-F89522D016C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Two = thoughts that might be helpful. . .  

You might = try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up and = out.

If there=92s gunk below the screens that = forms a plug, then once the screen is out, most hardware stores carry a = very handy plastic barbed drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down = the drain and pull back up. It=92s got lots of little barbs that catch = all the debris and pull it out. It=92s designed to be flexible enough to = go through P-traps on sinks and they seem to work pretty = well. 
On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> = wrote:

Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score = with a knife they should pop out and Dick = describes.
 
Rod
 
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Richard = Saunders
Sent: October-23-14 10:01 = AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to = clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside = ?
 
Courtney, the plastic screens should pop = out.  Be careful, because they get brittle over time.  Gently = pry out with a small screw drive or knife, or make a hook with a coat = hanger wire. 
 
Dick = Saunders
Out Of = Reach
 
 
From: Courtney Thomas <ccthomas01@hotmail.com>
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 = 9:16 AM
Subject: [frers-list]How to clean = out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ?


Greetings !

I would appreciate = knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains without diving into = the starboard
cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck = apparatus.

I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris = stuffing the crosshatched screen and want to most easily
clean it = out.

Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid = circular annular ring in which the screen is 
embedded/mounted = be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how = ? 

If none of the above applies, any suggestions = ?

Appreciatively,

Courtney Thomas     =               =       = _______________________________________________
frers-list mailing = list
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list


= --Apple-Mail=_794D8981-1768-414D-82CA-F89522D016C1-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 23 17:30:12 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (deconto) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:30:12 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? In-Reply-To: <2D581BBB-6F3C-4D28-B688-D29A74E05415@mtnpress.com> References: <1414069258.32609.YahooMailNeo@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001e01cfeec2$299795e0$7cc6c1a0$@eastlink.ca> <2D581BBB-6F3C-4D28-B688-D29A74E05415@mtnpress.com> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail=_8CAE6834-9BF5-4F30-8BB6-7FE73AFD3B0F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 FYI... the drain screens are still available from forespar.=20 On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:31 PM, John Rimel wrote: > Two thoughts that might be helpful. . . =20 >=20 > You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up = and out. >=20 > If there=92s gunk below the screens that forms a plug, then once the = screen is out, most hardware stores carry a very handy plastic barbed = drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down the drain and pull back = up. It=92s got lots of little barbs that catch all the debris and pull = it out. It=92s designed to be flexible enough to go through P-traps on = sinks and they seem to work pretty well.=20 >=20 >=20 > John Rimel > Mountain Press Publishing Company > 1301 South Third West > P.O. Box 2399=09 > Missoula, MT 59806 > Phone: 406-728-1900 ext. 121 > Fax: 406-728-1635 > E-mail: mailto:jrimel@mtnpress.com > Website: http://mountain-press.com/ > Cell: 406-880-2464 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, Rod Stright wrote: >=20 >> Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score with a knife they = should pop out and Dick describes. >> =20 >> Rod >> =20 >> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Richard = Saunders >> Sent: October-23-14 10:01 AM >> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains = from topside ? >> =20 >> Courtney, the plastic screens should pop out. Be careful, because = they get brittle over time. Gently pry out with a small screw drive or = knife, or make a hook with a coat hanger wire.=20 >> =20 >> Dick Saunders >> Out Of Reach >> =20 >> =20 >> From: Courtney Thomas >> To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 >> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:16 AM >> Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from = topside ? >>=20 >> Greetings ! >>=20 >> I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit = drains without diving into the starboard >> cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus. >>=20 >> I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the = crosshatched screen and want to most easily >> clean it out. >>=20 >> Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid circular = annular ring in which the screen is=20 >> embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, = how ?=20 >>=20 >> If none of the above applies, any suggestions ? >>=20 >> Appreciatively, >>=20 >> Courtney Thomas = _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_8CAE6834-9BF5-4F30-8BB6-7FE73AFD3B0F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252





On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:31 PM, John Rimel wrote:

Two = thoughts that might be helpful. . .  

You might = try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up and = out.

If there=92s gunk below the screens that = forms a plug, then once the screen is out, most hardware stores carry a = very handy plastic barbed drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down = the drain and pull back up. It=92s got lots of little barbs that catch = all the debris and pull it out. It=92s designed to be flexible enough to = go through P-traps on sinks and they seem to work pretty = well. 


John Rimel
Mountain Press Publishing = Company
1301 South Third West
P.O. Box 2399
Missoula, MT = 59806
Fax:  406-728-1635



On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> = wrote:

Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score = with a knife they should pop out and Dick = describes.
 
Rod
 
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Richard = Saunders
Sent: October-23-14 10:01 = AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to = clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside = ?
 
Courtney, the plastic screens should pop = out.  Be careful, because they get brittle over time.  Gently = pry out with a small screw drive or knife, or make a hook with a coat = hanger wire. 
 
Dick = Saunders
Out Of = Reach
 
 
From: Courtney Thomas <ccthomas01@hotmail.com>
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 = 9:16 AM
Subject: [frers-list]How to clean = out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ?


Greetings !

I would appreciate = knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains without diving into = the starboard
cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck = apparatus.

I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris = stuffing the crosshatched screen and want to most easily
clean it = out.

Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid = circular annular ring in which the screen is 
embedded/mounted = be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how = ? 

If none of the above applies, any suggestions = ?

Appreciatively,

Courtney Thomas     =               =       = _______________________________________________
frers-list mailing = list
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list



= --Apple-Mail=_8CAE6834-9BF5-4F30-8BB6-7FE73AFD3B0F-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 23 17:37:50 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:37:50 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? In-Reply-To: References: <1414069258.32609.YahooMailNeo@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001e01cfeec2$299795e0$7cc6c1a0$@eastlink.ca> <2D581BBB-6F3C-4D28-B688-D29A74E05415@mtnpress.com> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A20312B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFEEDF.AF83A0A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And there seem to be three extra aboard Persistence. Seems like Rob was always prepared! =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of deconto Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:30 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? =20 FYI... the drain screens are still available from forespar.=20 =20 =20 =20 On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:31 PM, John Rimel wrote: Two thoughts that might be helpful. . . =20 =20 You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up and out. =20 If there's gunk below the screens that forms a plug, then once the screen is out, most hardware stores carry a very handy plastic barbed drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down the drain and pull back up. It's got lots of little barbs that catch all the debris and pull it out. It's designed to be flexible enough to go through P-traps on sinks and they seem to work pretty well.=20 =20 =20 John Rimel Mountain Press Publishing Company 1301 South Third West P.O. Box 2399=20 Missoula, MT 59806 Phone: 406-728-1900 ext. 121 =20 Fax: 406-728-1635 E-mail: mailto:jrimel@mtnpress.com Website: http://mountain-press.com/ Cell: 406-880-2464 =20 =20 =20 On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, Rod Stright wrote: Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score with a knife they should pop out and Dick describes. =20 Rod =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Saunders Sent: October-23-14 10:01 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =20 Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? =20 Courtney, the plastic screens should pop out. Be careful, because they get brittle over time. Gently pry out with a small screw drive or knife, or make a hook with a coat hanger wire.=20 =20 Dick Saunders Out Of Reach =20 =20 From: Courtney Thomas > To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com " >=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:16 AM Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? Greetings ! I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains without diving into the starboard cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus. I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the crosshatched screen and want to most easily clean it out. Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid circular annular ring in which the screen is=20 embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how ?=20 If none of the above applies, any suggestions ? Appreciatively, Courtney Thomas _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com =20 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFEEDF.AF83A0A2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And there seem to be three extra aboard Persistence.  Seems like = Rob was always prepared!

 

From:= = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of = deconto
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:30 = PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: = [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside = ?

 

FYI... the = drain screens are still available from = forespar. 

 

 



 

On = Oct 23, 2014, at 12:31 PM, John Rimel wrote:



Two = thoughts that might be helpful. . .  

 

You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply = suck the stuff up and out.

 

If there’s gunk below the screens that forms a = plug, then once the screen is out, most hardware stores carry a very = handy plastic barbed drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down the = drain and pull back up. It’s got lots of little barbs that catch = all the debris and pull it out. It’s designed to be flexible = enough to go through P-traps on sinks and they seem to work pretty = well. 

 

 

John Rimel

Mountain Press Publishing = Company

1301 South Third = West

P.O. Box 2399 =

Missoula, MT = 59806

Fax:  406-728-1635

Website:  http://mountain-press.com/

Cell: 406-880-2464

 

 

 

On = Oct 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> = wrote:



Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score with a knife they = should pop out and Dick describes.

 

Rod

 

 

Courtney, = the plastic screens should pop out.  Be careful, because they get = brittle over time.  Gently pry out with a small screw drive or = knife, or make a hook with a coat hanger wire. 

 

Dick = Saunders

Out Of = Reach

 

 

From:<= /b> = Courtney = Thomas <ccthomas01@hotmail.com>
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" = <frers-list@lists.frers33.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 = 9:16 AM
Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out = the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ?


Greetings !

I = would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains = without diving into the starboard
cockpit hatch and wrestling with = all the below deck apparatus.

I don't want to break 'em but can = see lots of debris stuffing the crosshatched screen and want to most = easily
clean it out.

Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If = not, can the solid circular annular ring in which the screen = is 
embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed = and if so, how ? 

If none of the above applies, any = suggestions ?

Appreciatively,

Courtney Thomas =               =           = _______________________________________________
frers-list mailing = list
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-li= st

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CFEEDF.AF83A0A2-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 23 18:15:07 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:15:07 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Thanks to all for the drains help !!! -> Courtney In-Reply-To: <20141023163901.2EDF061CF5@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20141023163901.2EDF061CF5@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: What a great group ! Thanks for all the help. This group alone makes it wor= th owning one of these boats =A0:-)=0A= =0A= Courtney=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= ----------------------------------------=0A= > From: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com=0A= > Subject: frers-list digest=2C Vol 1 #824 - 3 msgs=0A= > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= > Date: Thu=2C 23 Oct 2014 11:39:01 -0500=0A= >=0A= > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to=0A= > frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= >=0A= > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web=2C visit=0A= > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=0A= > or=2C via email=2C send a message with subject or body 'help' to=0A= > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com=0A= >=0A= > You can reach the person managing the list at=0A= > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=0A= >=0A= > When replying=2C please edit your Subject line so it is more specific=0A= > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..."=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > Today's Topics:=0A= >=0A= > 1. Re: How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? (John Rim= el)=0A= > 2. Re: How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? (deconto)= =0A= > 3. RE: How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? (Hoyt=2C = Mike)=0A= >=0A= > --__--__--=0A= >=0A= > Message: 1=0A= > From: John Rimel =0A= > Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from t= opside ?=0A= > Date: Thu=2C 23 Oct 2014 10:31:33 -0600=0A= > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > --Apple-Mail=3D_794D8981-1768-414D-82CA-F89522D016C1=0A= > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A= > Content-Type: text/plain=3B=0A= > charset=3Dwindows-1252=0A= >=0A= > Two thoughts that might be helpful. . . =3D20=0A= >=0A= > You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up and = =3D=0A= > out.=0A= >=0A= > If there=3D92s gunk below the screens that forms a plug=2C then once the = =3D=0A= > screen is out=2C most hardware stores carry a very handy plastic barbed = =3D=0A= > drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down the drain and pull back =3D= =0A= > up. It=3D92s got lots of little barbs that catch all the debris and pull = =3D=0A= > it out. It=3D92s designed to be flexible enough to go through P-traps on = =3D=0A= > sinks and they seem to work pretty well.=3D20=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > John Rimel=0A= > Mountain Press Publishing Company=0A= > 1301 South Third West=0A= > P.O. Box 2399=3D09=0A= > Missoula=2C MT 59806=0A= > Phone: 406-728-1900 ext. 121=0A= > Fax: 406-728-1635=0A= > E-mail: mailto:jrimel@mtnpress.com=0A= > Website: http://mountain-press.com/=0A= > Cell: 406-880-2464=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > On Oct 23=2C 2014=2C at 7:06 AM=2C Rod Stright wro= te:=0A= >=0A= >> Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score with a knife they = =3D=0A= > should pop out and Dick describes.=0A= >> =3D20=0A= >> Rod=0A= >> =3D20=0A= >> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=0A= > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Richard =3D=0A= > Saunders=0A= >> Sent: October-23-14 10:01 AM=0A= >> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= >> Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains =3D= =0A= > from topside ?=0A= >> =3D20=0A= >> Courtney=2C the plastic screens should pop out. Be careful=2C because = =3D=0A= > they get brittle over time. Gently pry out with a small screw drive or = =3D=0A= > knife=2C or make a hook with a coat hanger wire.=3D20=0A= >> =3D20=0A= >> Dick Saunders=0A= >> Out Of Reach=0A= >> =3D20=0A= >> =3D20=0A= >> From: Courtney Thomas =0A= >> To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =3D20= =0A= >> Sent: Wednesday=2C October 22=2C 2014 9:16 AM=0A= >> Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from =3D= =0A= > topside ?=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> Greetings !=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains = =3D=0A= > without diving into the starboard=0A= >> cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus.=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the =3D=0A= > crosshatched screen and want to most easily=0A= >> clean it out.=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> Can they be unscrewed and if so=2C how ? If not=2C can the solid circula= r =3D=0A= > annular ring in which the screen is=3D20=0A= >> embedded/mounted be itself=2C with the 'screen'=2C be removed and if so= =2C =3D=0A= > how ?=3D20=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> If none of the above applies=2C any suggestions ?=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> Appreciatively=2C=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> Courtney Thomas =3D=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= >> frers-list mailing list=0A= >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > --Apple-Mail=3D_794D8981-1768-414D-82CA-F89522D016C1=0A= > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A= > Content-Type: text/html=3B=0A= > charset=3Dwindows-1252=0A= >=0A= > charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> -webkit-nbsp-mode: space=3B -webkit-line-break: after-white-space=3B">Two= =3D=0A= > thoughts that might be helpful. . .  =3B

You might= =3D=0A= > try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up and =3D=0A= > out.

If there=3D92s gunk below the screens that = =3D=0A= > forms a plug=2C then once the screen is out=2C most hardware stores carry= a =3D=0A= > very handy plastic barbed drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down = =3D=0A= > the drain and pull back up. It=3D92s got lots of little barbs that catch = =3D=0A= > all the debris and pull it out. It=3D92s designed to be flexible enough t= o =3D=0A= > go through P-traps on sinks and they seem to work pretty =3D=0A= > well. =3B


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On Oct 23=2C 2014=2C at 7:06 AM=2C Rod Stright <=3B href=3D3D"mailto:StrightR@eastlink.ca">StrightR@eastlink.ca>=3B =3D= =0A= > wrote:

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Subject: class=3D3D"Apple-converted-space"> =3BRe: [frers-list]How to = =3D=0A= > clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside =3D=0A= > ?
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Greetings !

I would appreciate =3D= =0A= > knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains without diving into = =3D=0A= > the starboard
cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck =3D= =0A= > apparatus.

I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris = =3D=0A= > stuffing the crosshatched screen and want to most easily
clean it =3D= =0A= > out.

Can they be unscrewed and if so=2C how ? If not=2C can the so= lid =3D=0A= > circular annular ring in which the screen is =3B
embedded/mounted = =3D=0A= > be itself=2C with the 'screen'=2C be removed and if so=2C how =3D=0A= > ? =3B

If none of the above applies=2C any suggestions =3D=0A= > ?

Appreciatively=2C

Courtney Thomas  =3B =3B = =3B =3D=0A= >  =3B =3B =3B  =3B =3B =3B  =3B  =3B = =3B =3B =3D=0A= >  =3B =3B =3B  =3B =3D=0A= > _______________________________________________
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tml>=3D=0A= >=0A= > --Apple-Mail=3D_794D8981-1768-414D-82CA-F89522D016C1--=0A= >=0A= > --__--__--=0A= >=0A= > Message: 2=0A= > From: deconto =0A= > Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from t= opside ?=0A= > Date: Thu=2C 23 Oct 2014 12:30:12 -0400=0A= > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > --Apple-Mail=3D_8CAE6834-9BF5-4F30-8BB6-7FE73AFD3B0F=0A= > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A= > Content-Type: text/plain=3B=0A= > charset=3Dwindows-1252=0A= >=0A= > FYI... the drain screens are still available from forespar.=3D20=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > On Oct 23=2C 2014=2C at 12:31 PM=2C John Rimel wrote:=0A= >=0A= >> Two thoughts that might be helpful. . . =3D20=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up =3D= =0A= > and out.=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> If there=3D92s gunk below the screens that forms a plug=2C then once the= =3D=0A= > screen is out=2C most hardware stores carry a very handy plastic barbed = =3D=0A= > drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down the drain and pull back =3D= =0A= > up. It=3D92s got lots of little barbs that catch all the debris and pull = =3D=0A= > it out. It=3D92s designed to be flexible enough to go through P-traps on = =3D=0A= > sinks and they seem to work pretty well.=3D20=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> John Rimel=0A= >> Mountain Press Publishing Company=0A= >> 1301 South Third West=0A= >> P.O. Box 2399=3D09=0A= >> Missoula=2C MT 59806=0A= >> Phone: 406-728-1900 ext. 121=0A= >> Fax: 406-728-1635=0A= >> E-mail: mailto:jrimel@mtnpress.com=0A= >> Website: http://mountain-press.com/=0A= >> Cell: 406-880-2464=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >> On Oct 23=2C 2014=2C at 7:06 AM=2C Rod Stright wr= ote:=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >>> Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score with a knife they = =3D=0A= > should pop out and Dick describes.=0A= >>> =3D20=0A= >>> Rod=0A= >>> =3D20=0A= >>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=0A= > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Richard =3D=0A= > Saunders=0A= >>> Sent: October-23-14 10:01 AM=0A= >>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= >>> Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains =3D= =0A= > from topside ?=0A= >>> =3D20=0A= >>> Courtney=2C the plastic screens should pop out. Be careful=2C because = =3D=0A= > they get brittle over time. Gently pry out with a small screw drive or = =3D=0A= > knife=2C or make a hook with a coat hanger wire.=3D20=0A= >>> =3D20=0A= >>> Dick Saunders=0A= >>> Out Of Reach=0A= >>> =3D20=0A= >>> =3D20=0A= >>> From: Courtney Thomas =0A= >>> To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =3D20= =0A= >>> Sent: Wednesday=2C October 22=2C 2014 9:16 AM=0A= >>> Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from =3D= =0A= > topside ?=0A= >>>=3D20=0A= >>> Greetings !=0A= >>>=3D20=0A= >>> I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit =3D=0A= > drains without diving into the starboard=0A= >>> cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus.=0A= >>>=3D20=0A= >>> I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the =3D= =0A= > crosshatched screen and want to most easily=0A= >>> clean it out.=0A= >>>=3D20=0A= >>> Can they be unscrewed and if so=2C how ? If not=2C can the solid circul= ar =3D=0A= > annular ring in which the screen is=3D20=0A= >>> embedded/mounted be itself=2C with the 'screen'=2C be removed and if so= =2C =3D=0A= > how ?=3D20=0A= >>>=3D20=0A= >>> If none of the above applies=2C any suggestions ?=0A= >>>=3D20=0A= >>> Appreciatively=2C=0A= >>>=3D20=0A= >>> Courtney Thomas =3D=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= >>> frers-list mailing list=0A= >>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= >>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=0A= >>>=3D20=0A= >>=3D20=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > --Apple-Mail=3D_8CAE6834-9BF5-4F30-8BB6-7FE73AFD3B0F=0A= > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A= > Content-Type: text/html=3B=0A= > charset=3Dwindows-1252=0A= >=0A= > -webkit-nbsp-mode: space=3B -webkit-line-break: after-white-space=3B =3D= =0A= > ">FYI... the drain screens are still available from =3D=0A= > forespar. =3B
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Subject: class=3D3D"Apple-converted-space"> =3BRe: [frers-list]How to = =3D=0A= > clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside =3D=0A= > ?
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0.0001pt=3B font-size: 12pt=3B font-family: 'Times New Roman'=2C serif=3B= =3D=0A= > background-color: white=3B"> Verdana=2C sans-serif=3B">Courtney=2C the plastic screens should pop =3D= =0A= > out. =3B Be careful=2C because they get brittle over time. =3B Ge= ntly =3D=0A= > pry out with a small screw drive or knife=2C or make a hook with a coat = =3D=0A= > hanger wire. =3B
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Sent: class=3D3D"Apple-converted-space"> =3BWednesday=2C October 22= =2C 2014 =3D=0A= > 9:16 AM
Subject: class=3D3D"Apple-converted-space"> =3B[frers-list]How to clean= =3D=0A= > out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? style=3D3D"font-family: Helvetica=2C =3D=0A= > sans-serif=3B">

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Greetings !

I would appreciate =3D= =0A= > knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains without diving into = =3D=0A= > the starboard
cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck =3D= =0A= > apparatus.

I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris = =3D=0A= > stuffing the crosshatched screen and want to most easily
clean it =3D= =0A= > out.

Can they be unscrewed and if so=2C how ? If not=2C can the so= lid =3D=0A= > circular annular ring in which the screen is =3B
embedded/mounted = =3D=0A= > be itself=2C with the 'screen'=2C be removed and if so=2C how =3D=0A= > ? =3B

If none of the above applies=2C any suggestions =3D=0A= > ?

Appreciatively=2C

Courtney Thomas  =3B =3B = =3B =3D=0A= >  =3B =3B =3B  =3B =3B =3B  =3B  =3B = =3B =3B =3D=0A= >  =3B =3B =3B  =3B =3D=0A= > _______________________________________________
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=3D=0A= >=0A= > --Apple-Mail=3D_8CAE6834-9BF5-4F30-8BB6-7FE73AFD3B0F--=0A= >=0A= > --__--__--=0A= >=0A= > Message: 3=0A= > Subject: RE: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from t= opside ?=0A= > Date: Thu=2C 23 Oct 2014 13:37:50 -0300=0A= > From: "Hoyt=2C Mike" =0A= > To: =0A= > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= >=0A= > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.=0A= >=0A= > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CFEEDF.AF83A0A2=0A= > Content-Type: text/plain=3B=0A= > charset=3D"us-ascii"=0A= > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A= >=0A= > And there seem to be three extra aboard Persistence. Seems like Rob was= =0A= > always prepared!=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=0A= > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of deconto=0A= > Sent: Thursday=2C October 23=2C 2014 1:30 PM=0A= > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= > Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from= =0A= > topside ?=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > FYI... the drain screens are still available from forespar.=3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > On Oct 23=2C 2014=2C at 12:31 PM=2C John Rimel wrote:=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > Two thoughts that might be helpful. . . =3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up and= =0A= > out.=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > If there's gunk below the screens that forms a plug=2C then once the=0A= > screen is out=2C most hardware stores carry a very handy plastic barbed= =0A= > drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down the drain and pull back=0A= > up. It's got lots of little barbs that catch all the debris and pull it= =0A= > out. It's designed to be flexible enough to go through P-traps on sinks= =0A= > and they seem to work pretty well.=3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > John Rimel=0A= >=0A= > Mountain Press Publishing Company=0A= >=0A= > 1301 South Third West=0A= >=0A= > P.O. Box 2399=3D20=0A= >=0A= > Missoula=2C MT 59806=0A= >=0A= > Phone: 406-728-1900 ext. 121 =3D20=0A= >=0A= > Fax: 406-728-1635=0A= >=0A= > E-mail: mailto:jrimel@mtnpress.com=0A= >=0A= > Website: http://mountain-press.com/=0A= >=0A= > Cell: 406-880-2464=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > On Oct 23=2C 2014=2C at 7:06 AM=2C Rod Stright wro= te:=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score with a knife they=0A= > should pop out and Dick describes.=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > Rod=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=0A= > =0A= > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=0A= > ] On Behalf Of Richard=0A= > Saunders=0A= > Sent: October-23-14 10:01 AM=0A= > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =3D= 20=0A= > Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from= =0A= > topside ?=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > Courtney=2C the plastic screens should pop out. Be careful=2C because the= y=0A= > get brittle over time. Gently pry out with a small screw drive or=0A= > knife=2C or make a hook with a coat hanger wire.=3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > Dick Saunders=0A= >=0A= > Out Of Reach=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > From: Courtney Thomas >=0A= > To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com = =0A= > " >=3D= 20=0A= > Sent: Wednesday=2C October 22=2C 2014 9:16 AM=0A= > Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from=0A= > topside ?=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > Greetings !=0A= >=0A= > I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains=0A= > without diving into the starboard=0A= > cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus.=0A= >=0A= > I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the=0A= > crosshatched screen and want to most easily=0A= > clean it out.=0A= >=0A= > Can they be unscrewed and if so=2C how ? If not=2C can the solid circular= =0A= > annular ring in which the screen is=3D20=0A= > embedded/mounted be itself=2C with the 'screen'=2C be removed and if so= =2C how=0A= > ?=3D20=0A= >=0A= > If none of the above applies=2C any suggestions ?=0A= >=0A= > Appreciatively=2C=0A= >=0A= > Courtney Thomas=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > frers-list mailing list=0A= > frers-list@lists.frers33.com =3D20= =0A= > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= > =3D20=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CFEEDF.AF83A0A2=0A= > Content-Type: text/html=3B=0A= > charset=3D"us-ascii"=0A= > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A= >=0A= > xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D=0A= > xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D=0A= > xmlns:m=3D3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =3D=0A= > xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html=3B =3D=0A= > charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> (filtered medium)"> vlink=3D3Dpurple>

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To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: =3D= =0A= > [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside =3D=0A= > ?

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On =3D=0A= > Oct 23=2C 2014=2C at 12:31 PM=2C John Rimel wrote:

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Tw= o =3D=0A= > thoughts that might be helpful. . .  =3B

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class=3D3DMsoNormal>You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply = =3D=0A= > suck the stuff up and out.

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class=3D3DMsoNormal>If there’=3Bs gunk below the screens that forms = a =3D=0A= > plug=2C then once the screen is out=2C most hardware stores carry a very = =3D=0A= > handy plastic barbed drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down the = =3D=0A= > drain and pull back up. It’=3Bs got lots of little barbs that catch = =3D=0A= > all the debris and pull it out. It’=3Bs designed to be flexible =3D= =0A= > enough to go through P-traps on sinks and they seem to work pretty =3D=0A= > well. =3B

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class=3D3DMsoNormal>John Rimel

class=3D3DMsoNormal>Mountain Press Publishing =3D=0A= > Company

1301 South Third = =3D=0A= > West

P.O. Box 2399 =3D=0A= >

Missoula=2C MT =3D=0A= > 59806

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Website:  =3B href=3D3D"http://mountain-press.com/" =3D=0A= > target=3D3D"_blank">http://mountain-press.com/

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Cell: =3B target=3D3D"_blank">406-880-2464

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I =3D=0A= > would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit drains =3D= =0A= > without diving into the starboard
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=0A= > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CFEEDF.AF83A0A2--=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > --__--__--=0A= >=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > frers-list mailing list=0A= > frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > End of frers-list Digest=0A= = From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Oct 23 18:18:00 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:18:00 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Thanks to all for the drains help !!! -> Courtney In-Reply-To: References: <20141023163901.2EDF061CF5@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A20316B@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> No to mention that it sails very well for a Winnebago! -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Courtney Thomas Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:15 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Thanks to all for the drains help !!! -> Courtney What a great group ! Thanks for all the help. This group alone makes it = worth owning one of these boats =A0:-) Courtney ---------------------------------------- > From: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com > Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #824 - 3 msgs > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:39:01 -0500 > > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to=20 > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit=20 > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to=20 > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at=20 > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific=20 > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? (John=20 > Rimel) 2. Re: How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? = > (deconto) 3. RE: How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from=20 > topside ? (Hoyt, Mike) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: John Rimel > Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains = from topside ? > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:31:33 -0600 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > > --Apple-Mail=3D_794D8981-1768-414D-82CA-F89522D016C1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=3Dwindows-1252 > > Two thoughts that might be helpful. . . =3D20 > > You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up=20 > and =3D out. > > If there=3D92s gunk below the screens that forms a plug, then once the = =3D=20 > screen is out, most hardware stores carry a very handy plastic barbed=20 > =3D drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down the drain and pull=20 > back =3D up. It=3D92s got lots of little barbs that catch all the = debris=20 > and pull =3D it out. It=3D92s designed to be flexible enough to go = through=20 > P-traps on =3D sinks and they seem to work pretty well.=3D20 > > > John Rimel > Mountain Press Publishing Company > 1301 South Third West > P.O. Box 2399=3D09 > Missoula, MT 59806 > Phone: 406-728-1900 ext. 121 > Fax: 406-728-1635 > E-mail: mailto:jrimel@mtnpress.com > Website: http://mountain-press.com/ > Cell: 406-880-2464 > > > > On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, Rod Stright wrote: > >> Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score with a knife they = >> =3D > should pop out and Dick describes. >> =3D20 >> Rod >> =3D20 >> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Richard =3D=20 > Saunders >> Sent: October-23-14 10:01 AM >> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains = =3D > from topside ? >> =3D20 >> Courtney, the plastic screens should pop out. Be careful, because =3D > they get brittle over time. Gently pry out with a small screw drive or = > =3D knife, or make a hook with a coat hanger wire.=3D20 >> =3D20 >> Dick Saunders >> Out Of Reach >> =3D20 >> =3D20 >> From: Courtney Thomas >> To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" = =3D20 >> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:16 AM >> Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from = =3D > topside ? >>=3D20 >> Greetings ! >>=3D20 >> I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit=20 >>drains =3D > without diving into the starboard >> cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus. >>=3D20 >> I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the =3D > crosshatched screen and want to most easily >> clean it out. >>=3D20 >> Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid circular = >>=3D > annular ring in which the screen is=3D20 >> embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so,=20 >> =3D > how ?=3D20 >>=3D20 >> If none of the above applies, any suggestions ? >>=3D20 >> Appreciatively, >>=3D20 >> Courtney Thomas =3D > _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>=3D20 > > > --Apple-Mail=3D_794D8981-1768-414D-82CA-F89522D016C1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=3Dwindows-1252 > > charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Two=20 > =3D thoughts that might be helpful. . .  

You=20 > might =3D try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up = and=20 > =3D out.

If there=3D92s gunk below the = screens=20 > that =3D forms a plug, then once the screen is out, most hardware = stores=20 > carry a =3D very handy plastic barbed drain cleaner tool that you = simply=20 > stick down =3D the drain and pull back up. It=3D92s got lots of little = > barbs that catch =3D all the debris and pull it out. It=3D92s designed = to=20 > be flexible enough to =3D go through P-traps on sinks and they seem to = > work pretty =3D well. 


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On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, Rod Stright < href=3D3D"mailto:StrightR@eastlink.ca">StrightR@eastlink.ca> = =3D=20 > wrote:

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Subject: class=3D3D"Apple-converted-space"> [frers-list]How to = clean=20 > =3D out the 2 aft cockpit drains from topside ? style=3D3D"font-family: Helvetica, =3D > sans-serif;">

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Greetings=20 > !

I would appreciate =3D knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost=20 > cockpit drains without diving into =3D the starboard
cockpit hatch=20 > and wrestling with all the below deck =3D apparatus.

I don't = want=20 > to break 'em but can see lots of debris =3D stuffing the crosshatched=20 > screen and want to most easily
clean it =3D out.

Can they be = > unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid =3D circular annular=20 > ring in which the screen is 
embedded/mounted =3D be itself,=20 > with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how =3D ? 

If = none=20 > of the above applies, any suggestions =3D=20 > ?

Appreciatively,

Courtney Thomas     =3D = >               =3D=20 >       =3D=20 > _______________________________________________
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>> tml>=3D > > --Apple-Mail=3D_794D8981-1768-414D-82CA-F89522D016C1-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: deconto > Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains = from topside ? > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:30:12 -0400 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > > --Apple-Mail=3D_8CAE6834-9BF5-4F30-8BB6-7FE73AFD3B0F > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=3Dwindows-1252 > > FYI... the drain screens are still available from forespar.=3D20 > > > > > > On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:31 PM, John Rimel wrote: > >> Two thoughts that might be helpful. . . =3D20 >>=3D20 >> You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up=20 >>=3D > and out. >>=3D20 >> If there=3D92s gunk below the screens that forms a plug, then once = the=20 >>=3D > screen is out, most hardware stores carry a very handy plastic barbed=20 > =3D drain cleaner tool that you simply stick down the drain and pull=20 > back =3D up. It=3D92s got lots of little barbs that catch all the = debris=20 > and pull =3D it out. It=3D92s designed to be flexible enough to go = through=20 > P-traps on =3D sinks and they seem to work pretty well.=3D20 >>=3D20 >>=3D20 >> John Rimel >> Mountain Press Publishing Company >> 1301 South Third West >> P.O. Box 2399=3D09 >> Missoula, MT 59806 >> Phone: 406-728-1900 ext. 121 >> Fax: 406-728-1635 >> E-mail: mailto:jrimel@mtnpress.com >> Website: http://mountain-press.com/ >> Cell: 406-880-2464 >>=3D20 >>=3D20 >>=3D20 >> On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, Rod Stright = wrote: >>=3D20 >>> Sometimes they are in with sealant but if you score with a knife=20 >>> they =3D > should pop out and Dick describes. >>> =3D20 >>> Rod >>> =3D20 >>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Richard =3D=20 > Saunders >>> Sent: October-23-14 10:01 AM >>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> Subject: Re: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains = =3D > from topside ? >>> =3D20 >>> Courtney, the plastic screens should pop out. Be careful, because = =3D > they get brittle over time. Gently pry out with a small screw drive or = > =3D knife, or make a hook with a coat hanger wire.=3D20 >>> =3D20 >>> Dick Saunders >>> Out Of Reach >>> =3D20 >>> =3D20 >>> From: Courtney Thomas >>> To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" = =3D20 >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:16 AM >>> Subject: [frers-list]How to clean out the 2 aft cockpit drains from=20 >>> =3D > topside ? >>>=3D20 >>> Greetings ! >>>=3D20 >>> I would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost cockpit =3D > drains without diving into the starboard >>> cockpit hatch and wrestling with all the below deck apparatus. >>>=3D20 >>> I don't want to break 'em but can see lots of debris stuffing the = =3D > crosshatched screen and want to most easily >>> clean it out. >>>=3D20 >>> Can they be unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid=20 >>>circular =3D > annular ring in which the screen is=3D20 >>> embedded/mounted be itself, with the 'screen', be removed and if so, = >>> =3D > how ?=3D20 >>>=3D20 >>> If none of the above applies, any suggestions ? >>>=3D20 >>> Appreciatively, >>>=3D20 >>> Courtney Thomas =3D > _______________________________________________ >>> frers-list mailing list >>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>>=3D20 >>=3D20 > > > --Apple-Mail=3D_8CAE6834-9BF5-4F30-8BB6-7FE73AFD3B0F > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=3Dwindows-1252 > > -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =3D=20 > ">FYI... the drain screens are still available from =3D=20 > forespar. 
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You=20 > might =3D try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply suck the stuff up = and=20 > =3D out.

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Greetings=20 > !

I would appreciate =3D knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost=20 > cockpit drains without diving into =3D the starboard
cockpit hatch=20 > and wrestling with all the below deck =3D apparatus.

I don't = want=20 > to break 'em but can see lots of debris =3D stuffing the crosshatched=20 > screen and want to most easily
clean it =3D out.

Can they be = > unscrewed and if so, how ? If not, can the solid =3D circular annular=20 > ring in which the screen is 
embedded/mounted =3D be itself,=20 > with the 'screen', be removed and if so, how =3D ? 

If = none=20 > of the above applies, any suggestions =3D=20 > ?

Appreciatively,

Courtney Thomas     =3D = >               =3D=20 >       =3D=20 > _______________________________________________
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class=3D3DMsoNormal> = style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F > 497=3D D'>And there seem to be three extra aboard Persistence. =20 > Seems like =3D Rob was always prepared!

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class=3D3DMsoNormal>On =3D Oct 23, 2014, at 12:31 PM, John Rimel=20 > wrote:

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class=3D3DMsoNormal>You might try a strong wet/dry shop vac and simply = =3D=20 > suck the stuff up and out.

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To: > > " href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"> style=3D3D'color:purple'>frers-list@lists.frers33.com" = =3D=20 > < = style=3D3D'color:purple'>frers-list@lists.frers33.com> n =3D = class=3D3Dapple-converted-space> 
Sent: class=3D3Dapple-converted-space> Wednesday, October 22, = 2014=20 > =3D > 9:16 AM
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Greetings=20 > !

I =3D would appreciate knowing how to clean the 2 sternmost=20 > cockpit drains =3D without diving into the starboard
cockpit hatch=20 > and wrestling with =3D all the below deck apparatus.

I don't = want=20 > to break 'em but can =3D see lots of debris stuffing the crosshatched=20 > screen and want to most =3D easily
clean it out.

Can they be = > unscrewed and if so, how ? If =3D not, can the solid circular annular=20 > ring in which the screen =3D is 
embedded/mounted be itself,=20 > with the 'screen', be removed =3D and if so, how ? 

If = none=20 > of the above applies, any =3D suggestions=20 > ?

Appreciatively,

Courtney Thomas =3D     = >           =3D    =20 >       =3D=20 > _______________________________________________
frers-list mailing=20 > =3D list
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href=3D3D"http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list" =3D=20 > target=3D3D"_blank"> = style=3D3D'color:purple'>http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers > -li=3D > st lang=3D3DEN-CA>

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> ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CFEEDF.AF83A0A2-- > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > > > End of frers-list Digest _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Oct 24 11:45:13 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:45:13 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 In-Reply-To: <005301cfeedd$5e19b580$1a4d2080$@eastlink.ca> References: <005301cfeedd$5e19b580$1a4d2080$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <41EC4326-B6B8-43C1-A079-E95537D4694D@optonline.net> --Boundary_(ID_6WIYyZOzXV7fs7aXjQyF3A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Nothing on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and the b= ushing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in a signif= icant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water level so shoul= d never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its side the rudder post= will be out of the water! Art > On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright wrote: >=20 > Hi Guys, > =20 > Just checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube. I hav= e removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape. There is the space be= tween the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the quadrant (approximately= 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D). On Equinox there is nothing under the quadrant (i= n or around the upper end of the lower tube) to prevent water from coning in= to the boat. Does anyone have something there. If so what? > =20 > Rod Stright > Equinox --Boundary_(ID_6WIYyZOzXV7fs7aXjQyF3A) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Nothing on Brilliant either. The clear= ance between the rudder shaft and the bushing is extremely small so in the w= orst case should not result in a significant leak, and the top of the lower t= ube is well above water level so should never be a concern. Even when you la= y the boat on its side the rudder post will be out of the water!

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On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:

Hi Guys,

 

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Just checking to see what arrangements you have on th= e rudder tube.  I have removed my rudder and the tube looks in good sha= pe.  There is the space between the lower tube and the upper tube to al= low the quadrant (approximately 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D).  On Equinox th= ere is nothing under the quadrant (in or around the upper end of the lower t= ube) to prevent water from coning into the boat.  Does anyone have some= thing there.  If so what?

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Rod Stright

Equinox

= --Boundary_(ID_6WIYyZOzXV7fs7aXjQyF3A)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Oct 24 12:16:03 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:16:03 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 In-Reply-To: <41EC4326-B6B8-43C1-A079-E95537D4694D@optonline.net> References: <005301cfeedd$5e19b580$1a4d2080$@eastlink.ca> <41EC4326-B6B8-43C1-A079-E95537D4694D@optonline.net> Message-ID: <003201cfef7b$e61d00b0$b2570210$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFEF62.C0CFC8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Art. I think the later boats the quadrant and top of the lower = rudder post is higher in the boat. Perhaps it was a modification to the = original design or they felt it was a concern earlier and then later = discovered it wasn=E2=80=99t. =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: October-24-14 7:45 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 =20 Nothing on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and = the bushing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in = a significant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water = level so should never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its = side the rudder post will be out of the water! Art On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright > wrote: Hi Guys, =20 Just checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube. I = have removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape. There is the = space between the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the quadrant = (approximately 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D). On Equinox there is nothing = under the quadrant (in or around the upper end of the lower tube) to = prevent water from coning into the boat. Does anyone have something = there. If so what? =20 Rod Stright Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFEF62.C0CFC8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Art.=C2=A0 I = think the later boats the quadrant and top of the lower rudder post is = higher in the boat.=C2=A0 Perhaps it was a modification to the original = design or they felt it was a concern earlier and then later discovered = it wasn=E2=80=99t.

 

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur = Kelley
Sent: October-24-14 7:45 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rudder = tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33

 

Nothing = on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and the = bushing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in a = significant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water = level so should never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its = side the rudder post will be out of the water!

Art<= /p>


On = Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> = wrote:

Hi Guys,

 

Just = checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube.  I = have removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape.  There is = the space between the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the = quadrant (approximately 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D).  On Equinox there = is nothing under the quadrant (in or around the upper end of the lower = tube) to prevent water from coning into the boat.  Does anyone have = something there.  If so what?

 

Rod = Stright

Equinox

<= /html> ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CFEF62.C0CFC8B0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Oct 24 12:54:26 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:54:26 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 In-Reply-To: <003201cfef7b$e61d00b0$b2570210$@eastlink.ca> References: <005301cfeedd$5e19b580$1a4d2080$@eastlink.ca> <41EC4326-B6B8-43C1-A079-E95537D4694D@optonline.net> <003201cfef7b$e61d00b0$b2570210$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <8ead88f5-0b41-46b9-a8f0-dca6f3189794@classeaudio.com> --=-Fv4tQdBbLmuU2Eq8J2XH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wolverine was built in 1987 and although I don=E2=80=99t know what if any d= ifferences there are in this regard among the boats, we do take seawater ar= ound the rudderpost when surfing in big following seas. The water runs unde= r the engine and into the bilge where it gets pumped back overboard. I woul= d like a solution to the problem so if anyone has a good recommendation I a= m all ears. Thanks. =20 Dave =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 7:16 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 =20 Thanks Art. I think the later boats the quadrant and top of the lower rudd= er post is higher in the boat. Perhaps it was a modification to the origin= al design or they felt it was a concern earlier and then later discovered i= t wasn=E2=80=99t. =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: October-24-14 7:45 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 =20 Nothing on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and the= bushing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in a sig= nificant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water level so s= hould never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its side the rudder= post will be out of the water! Art On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright wrote: Hi Guys, =20 Just checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube. I have= removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape. There is the space be= tween the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the quadrant (approximatel= y 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D). On Equinox there is nothing under the quadrant = (in or around the upper end of the lower tube) to prevent water from coning= into the boat. Does anyone have something there. If so what? =20 Rod Stright Equinox= --=-Fv4tQdBbLmuU2Eq8J2XH Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wolverine was built in 1987 and although I don=E2=80= =99t know what if any differences there are in this regard among the boats,= we do take seawater around the rudderpost when surfing in big following se= as. The water runs under the engine and into the bilge where it gets pumped= back overboard. I would like a solution to the problem so if anyone has a = good recommendation I am all ears. Thanks.

 

Dave

 

<= div>

David Nauber<= /span>
President
Class=C3=A9
=
C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | = 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

Fo= llow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowe= rs_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins

This email message = is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its conte= nts in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as e= -mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent. = B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any changes made to th= is message after it was sent. The views expressed in this document are that= of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsem= ent or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.

 

From: frers-list-admin@lists.f= rers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of = Rod Stright
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 7:16 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube= on Wheel Equipped Frers 33

 

Thanks Art.  I think the later boats the quadrant a= nd top of the lower rudder post is higher in the boat.  Perhaps it was= a modification to the original design or they felt it was a concern earlie= r and then later discovered it wasn=E2=80=99t.

 <= /span>

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com= [mailto:frers-list-a= dmin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: October-24-14 7:45 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-= list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33

 

Nothing on Brilliant either. The clearance= between the rudder shaft and the bushing is extremely small so in the wors= t case should not result in a significant leak, and the top of the lower tu= be is well above water level so should never be a concern. Even when you la= y the boat on its side the rudder post will be out of the water!

Art=

=


On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:

Hi Guys,

 

Just checking to see what arrangements you hav= e on the rudder tube.  I have removed my rudder and the tube looks in = good shape.  There is the space between the lower tube and the upper t= ube to allow the quadrant (approximately 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D).  On = Equinox there is nothing under the quadrant (in or around the upper end of = the lower tube) to prevent water from coning into the boat.  Does anyo= ne have something there.  If so what?

 

Rod Stright

Equinox

<= /body>= --=-Fv4tQdBbLmuU2Eq8J2XH-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Oct 24 15:25:24 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:25:24 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 In-Reply-To: <8ead88f5-0b41-46b9-a8f0-dca6f3189794@classeaudio.com> References: <005301cfeedd$5e19b580$1a4d2080$@eastlink.ca> <41EC4326-B6B8-43C1-A079-E95537D4694D@optonline.net> <003201cfef7b$e61d00b0$b2570210$@eastlink.ca> <8ead88f5-0b41-46b9-a8f0-dca6f3189794@classeaudio.com> Message-ID: <004701cfef96$59d5f240$0d81d6c0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CFEF7D.3488BA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We do take in some water when it=E2=80=99s rough and the boat is listed = over and pitching, not a big deal but a solution would be good. I have = asked the pros. And if I get an answer I=E2=80=99ll pass it on. =20 Rod =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: October-24-14 8:54 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 =20 Wolverine was built in 1987 and although I don=E2=80=99t know what if = any differences there are in this regard among the boats, we do take = seawater around the rudderpost when surfing in big following seas. The = water runs under the engine and into the bilge where it gets pumped back = overboard. I would like a solution to the problem so if anyone has a = good recommendation I am all ears. Thanks. =20 Dave =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 7:16 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =20 Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 =20 Thanks Art. I think the later boats the quadrant and top of the lower = rudder post is higher in the boat. Perhaps it was a modification to the = original design or they felt it was a concern earlier and then later = discovered it wasn=E2=80=99t. =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: October-24-14 7:45 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =20 Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 =20 Nothing on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and = the bushing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in = a significant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water = level so should never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its = side the rudder post will be out of the water! Art On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright > wrote: Hi Guys, =20 Just checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube. I = have removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape. There is the = space between the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the quadrant = (approximately 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D). On Equinox there is nothing = under the quadrant (in or around the upper end of the lower tube) to = prevent water from coning into the boat. Does anyone have something = there. If so what? =20 Rod Stright Equinox ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CFEF7D.3488BA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We do take in some = water when it=E2=80=99s rough and the boat is listed over and pitching, = not a big deal but a solution would be good.=C2=A0 I have asked the = pros. And if I get an answer I=E2=80=99ll pass it = on.

 

Rod<= /p>

 

From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave = Nauber
Sent: October-24-14 8:54 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder = tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33

 

Wolverine was built in 1987 and = although I don=E2=80=99t know what if any differences there are in this = regard among the boats, we do take seawater around the rudderpost when = surfing in big following seas. The water runs under the engine and into = the bilge where it gets pumped back overboard. I would like a solution = to the problem so if anyone has a good recommendation I am all ears. = Thanks.

 

Dave

 

Da= vid NauberPr= esident
Class=C3=A9
= C:= 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 = Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

= Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins
This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee = only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium = (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly = forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not = accept responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was = sent. The views expressed in this document are that of the individual = and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or = recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.

 

From: frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admi= n@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: = Friday, October 24, 2014 7:16 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped = Frers 33

 

Thanks Art.  I think the later boats the = quadrant and top of the lower rudder post is higher in the boat.  = Perhaps it was a modification to the original design or they felt it was = a concern earlier and then later discovered it = wasn=E2=80=99t.

 

From: frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admi= n@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur = Kelley
Sent: October-24-14 7:45 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped = Frers 33

 

Nothing = on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and the = bushing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in a = significant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water = level so should never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its = side the rudder post will be out of the water!

Art


On Oct 23, 2014, at = 12:21 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> = wrote:

Hi Guys,

 

Just = checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube.  I = have removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape.  There is = the space between the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the = quadrant (approximately 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D).  On Equinox there = is nothing under the quadrant (in or around the upper end of the lower = tube) to prevent water from coning into the boat.  Does anyone have = something there.  If so what?

 

Rod = Stright

Equinox

<= /html> ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CFEF7D.3488BA40-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Oct 24 15:30:49 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:30:49 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 In-Reply-To: <004701cfef96$59d5f240$0d81d6c0$@eastlink.ca> References: <005301cfeedd$5e19b580$1a4d2080$@eastlink.ca> <41EC4326-B6B8-43C1-A079-E95537D4694D@optonline.net> <003201cfef7b$e61d00b0$b2570210$@eastlink.ca> <8ead88f5-0b41-46b9-a8f0-dca6f3189794@classeaudio.com> <004701cfef96$59d5f240$0d81d6c0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <25dcd7e2-8f86-46d1-a1b5-40565d190548@classeaudio.com> --=-QyeMzFAMB79Cu4kfr0ku Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have heard of using hose clamps to secure a wrap of inner tube rubber (wh= erever you can get that these days) above and below. This allows movement o= f the rudder post and prevents the water coming in. I am reluctant to try t= his because I think it will add friction to the steering as you would have = to use more force to twist the rudder post and the further the wheel turns = the harder the rubber will try to pull it back. I=E2=80=99d rather just fee= l the force of the water and as little else as possible given that the whee= l steering already compromises feel. =20 =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:25 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 =20 We do take in some water when it=E2=80=99s rough and the boat is listed ove= r and pitching, not a big deal but a solution would be good. I have asked = the pros. And if I get an answer I=E2=80=99ll pass it on. =20 Rod =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: October-24-14 8:54 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 =20 Wolverine was built in 1987 and although I don=E2=80=99t know what if any d= ifferences there are in this regard among the boats, we do take seawater ar= ound the rudderpost when surfing in big following seas. The water runs unde= r the engine and into the bilge where it gets pumped back overboard. I woul= d like a solution to the problem so if anyone has a good recommendation I a= m all ears. Thanks. =20 Dave =20 David Nauber President Class=C3=A9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 7:16 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 =20 Thanks Art. I think the later boats the quadrant and top of the lower rudd= er post is higher in the boat. Perhaps it was a modification to the origin= al design or they felt it was a concern earlier and then later discovered i= t wasn=E2=80=99t. =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley Sent: October-24-14 7:45 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 =20 Nothing on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and the= bushing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in a sig= nificant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water level so s= hould never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its side the rudder= post will be out of the water! Art On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright wrote: Hi Guys, =20 Just checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube. I have= removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape. There is the space be= tween the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the quadrant (approximatel= y 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D). On Equinox there is nothing under the quadrant = (in or around the upper end of the lower tube) to prevent water from coning= into the boat. Does anyone have something there. If so what? =20 Rod Stright Equinox= --=-QyeMzFAMB79Cu4kfr0ku Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have heard of using hose clamps to secure a wrap of= inner tube rubber (wherever you can get that these days) above and below. = This allows movement of the rudder post and prevents the water coming in. I= am reluctant to try this because I think it will add friction to the steer= ing as you would have to use more force to twist the rudder post and the fu= rther the wheel turns the harder the rubber will try to pull it back. I=E2= =80=99d rather just feel the force of the water and as little else as possi= ble given that the wheel steering already compromises feel.

 <= /span>

 

David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray= '>

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W = Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | t= witter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins

This= email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publicati= on of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic = means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior wr= itten consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. =

<= o:p> 

From: frers-lis= t-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On= Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:25 A= M
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-= list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33

 

We do take in some water when it=E2=80=99s= rough and the boat is listed over and pitching, not a big deal but a solut= ion would be good.  I have asked the pros. And if I get an answer I=E2= =80=99ll pass it on.

 

Rod

=

 =

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.= com [mailto:frers= -list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
Se= nt: October-24-14 8:54 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [f= rers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33

=

 

Wolverine was built in 1987 and= although I don=E2=80=99t know what if any differences there are in this re= gard among the boats, we do take seawater around the rudderpost when surfin= g in big following seas. The water runs under the engine and into the bilge= where it gets pumped back overboard. I would like a solution to the proble= m so if anyone has a good recommendation I am all ears. Thanks.<= /span>

 

Dave<= /o:p>

&nb= sp;

David Nauber
President
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From:= frers-list-admin@lists.f= rers33.com [mailt= o:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod StrightSent: Friday, October 24, 2014 7:16 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
S= ubject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33

 

Thanks Art.  I= think the later boats the quadrant and top of the lower rudder post is hig= her in the boat.  Perhaps it was a modification to the original design= or they felt it was a concern earlier and then later discovered it wasn=E2= =80=99t.

 

From: f= rers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Beha= lf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: October-24-14 7:45 AM
To:= frers-list@lists.frers33.c= om
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Fre= rs 33

 

Nothi= ng on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and the bush= ing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in a signific= ant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water level so should= never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its side the rudder post= will be out of the water!

Art


On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 = PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastli= nk.ca> wrote:

Hi Guys,

&nb= sp;

Just check= ing to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube.  I have remo= ved my rudder and the tube looks in good shape.  There is the space be= tween the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the quadrant (approximatel= y 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D).  On Equinox there is nothing under the quad= rant (in or around the upper end of the lower tube) to prevent water from c= oning into the boat.  Does anyone have something there.  If so wh= at?

 

Rod Stright<= /o:p>

Equinox<= /span>

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do not think its a problem but here is a thought... How about glueing an oil seal to the top of the lower tube. The glue needs a little flex so the post can still wiggle in the shaft as it works in the boat. 4200? Neal Melanson Vapor Trail - still for sale On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Rod Stright wrote: > We do take in some water when it=E2=80=99s rough and the boat is listed o= ver and > pitching, not a big deal but a solution would be good. I have asked the > pros. And if I get an answer I=E2=80=99ll pass it on. > > > > Rod > > > > *From:* frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto: > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Nauber > *Sent:* October-24-14 8:54 AM > *To:* frers-list@lists.frers33.com > *Subject:* RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 > > > > Wolverine was built in 1987 and although I don=E2=80=99t know what if any > differences there are in this regard among the boats, we do take seawater > around the rudderpost when surfing in big following seas. The water runs > under the engine and into the bilge where it gets pumped back overboard. = I > would like a solution to the problem so if anyone has a good recommendati= on > I am all ears. Thanks. > > > > Dave > > > > *David Nauber* > President > Class=C3=A9 > > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | > twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins > > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden > without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibili= ty > for any changes made to this message after it was sent. The views express= ed > in this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily > constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. > > > > *From:* frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [ > mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Rod Stright > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 7:16 AM > *To:* frers-list@lists.frers33.com > *Subject:* RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 > > > > Thanks Art. I think the later boats the quadrant and top of the lower > rudder post is higher in the boat. Perhaps it was a modification to the > original design or they felt it was a concern earlier and then later > discovered it wasn=E2=80=99t. > > > > *From:* frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [ > mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Arthur Kelley > *Sent:* October-24-14 7:45 AM > *To:* frers-list@lists.frers33.com > *Subject:* Re: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33 > > > > Nothing on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and > the bushing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in = a > significant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water level > so should never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its side the > rudder post will be out of the water! > > Art > > > On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > Just checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube. I > have removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape. There is the > space between the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the quadrant > (approximately 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D). On Equinox there is nothing unde= r the quadrant (in > or around the upper end of the lower tube) to prevent water from coning > into the boat. Does anyone have something there. If so what? > > > > Rod Stright > > Equinox > > --=20 Neal Melanson 89 Central St. Rowley Ma. 01969 978 948 7189 --001a11c22fd290fec805062c51be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do not think its a problem but here is a thought...
=
How about glueing an oil seal to the top of the lower tube.= =C2=A0 The glue needs a little flex so the post can still wiggle in the sha= ft as it works in the boat. =C2=A04200? =C2=A0

Nea= l Melanson=C2=A0
Vapor Trail - still for sale

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1= 0:25 AM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:

We do tak= e in some water when it=E2=80=99s rough and the boat is listed over and pit= ching, not a big deal but a solution would be good.=C2=A0 I have asked the = pros. And if I get an answer I=E2=80=99ll pass it on.<= /p>

=C2=A0

Rod=

<= /u>=C2=A0

From: frers-list-admin@lists.frer= s33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
Sent: October-24-14 8:54 AM
To: frers-list@lists= .frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Eq= uipped Frers 33

= =C2=A0

Wolverine was built in 1987 and although I don=E2=80=99t= know what if any differences there are in this regard among the boats, we = do take seawater around the rudderpost when surfing in big following seas. = The water runs under the engine and into the bilge where it gets pumped bac= k overboard. I would like a solution to the problem so if anyone has a good= recommendation I am all ears. Thanks.

=C2=A0

Dave

=C2=A0

Davi= d Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011= | classeaudio.com=
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H= 8T 1B3

Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins<= /a> | youtub= e.com/bowerswilkins

This email = message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of i= ts contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means s= uch as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written c= onsent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any changes ma= de to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this document = are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its = endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.

=C2=A0

From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.= com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: Friday, October 24= , 2014 7:16 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE:= [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33

=C2=A0

Thanks Ar= t.=C2=A0 I think the later boats the quadrant and top of the lower rudder p= ost is higher in the boat.=C2=A0 Perhaps it was a modification to the origi= nal design or they felt it was a concern earlier and then later discovered = it wasn=E2=80=99t.

=C2=A0

From: f= rers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.c= om] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: October-24-14 7:4= 5 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-= list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33

<= /div>

=C2=A0

Nothing on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft an= d the bushing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in = a significant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water level= so should never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its side the r= udder post will be out of the water!

Art


On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:



--
Neal Melanson
89 C= entral St.
Rowley Ma. 01969
=C2=A0
978 948 71= 89
--001a11c22fd290fec805062c51be-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Oct 25 10:49:11 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 06:49:11 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Lip Seals and Gators for Rudder Tubes Message-ID: <000801cff038$edb969e0$c92c3da0$@eastlink.ca> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CFF01F.C86C31E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is an article that explains the problem and offers two solutions. Just a bit concerned about the additional friction but since I have dropped my rudder am considering both. I believe some of the Frers 33 have lip seals but am not sure about gators. http://www.pyiinc.com/jefa-rudder/lipseals_gators_ruddertubes.html Regards ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CFF01F.C86C31E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here is an article that explains the problem and = offers two solutions.  Just a bit concerned about the additional = friction but since I have dropped my rudder am considering both.  I = believe some of the Frers 33 have lip seals but am not sure about = gators.

http://www.pyiinc.com/jefa-rudder/lipseals_gators_ruddertubes.html=

 

Regards

 

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CFF01F.C86C31E0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Oct 26 14:58:01 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bottaro, Donald (NIH/NCI) [E]) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:58:01 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #829 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <20141026050205.B8E4D61B2A@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20141026050205.B8E4D61B2A@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <86BB4696C7F39F419D90E1BFB79C73840BD3BBA0@MLBXV09.nih.gov> 18 years ago i removed the traditional stuffing box in Whirlaway and instal= led (what was then called) a "strong seal" from tides marine. The bronze sh= aft was badly worn and replaced that as well. Since that time the shaft has= never leaked, and I am amazed everytime i watch that shaft turn to see not= hing - not a drop. I believe their current product is based on the same pri= nciple but looks more complicated than the one that i have. I have no inves= tment in tides marine, but have been very satisfied with their rudder beari= ngs and shaft seal.=0A= =0A= =0A= Don Bottaro=0A= Frers 33 Whirlaway=0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.co= m] on behalf of frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com [frers-list-request@li= sts.frers33.com]=0A= Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 1:02 AM=0A= To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #829 - 1 msg=0A= =0A= Send frers-list mailing list submissions to=0A= frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= =0A= To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit=0A= http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=0A= or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to=0A= frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com=0A= =0A= You can reach the person managing the list at=0A= frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=0A= =0A= When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific=0A= than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..."=0A= =0A= =0A= Today's Topics:=0A= =0A= 1. Lip Seals and Gators for Rudder Tubes (Rod Stright)=0A= =0A= --__--__--=0A= =0A= Message: 1=0A= From: Rod Stright =0A= To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 06:49:11 -0300=0A= Subject: [frers-list]Lip Seals and Gators for Rudder Tubes=0A= Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= =0A= This is a multipart message in MIME format.=0A= =0A= ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01CFF01F.C86C31E0=0A= Content-Type: text/plain;=0A= charset=3D"US-ASCII"=0A= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=0A= =0A= Here is an article that explains the problem and offers two solutions. Jus= t=0A= a bit concerned about the additional friction but since I have dropped my= =0A= rudder am considering both. I believe some of the Frers 33 have lip seals= =0A= but am not sure about gators.=0A= =0A= http://www.pyiinc.com/jefa-rudder/lipseals_gators_ruddertubes.html=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Regards=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01CFF01F.C86C31E0=0A= Content-Type: text/html;=0A= charset=3D"US-ASCII"=0A= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A= =0A=

Here is an article that explains the problem and =3D=0A= offers two solutions.  Just a bit concerned about the additional =3D= =0A= friction but since I have dropped my rudder am considering both.  I = =3D=0A= believe some of the Frers 33 have lip seals but am not sure about =3D=0A= gators.

http://www.pyiinc.com/jefa-rudder/lipseals_gators_ruddertubes.html= =3D=0A=

 

Regards

 

=0A= ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01CFF01F.C86C31E0--=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= --__--__--=0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= frers-list mailing list=0A= frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A= http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=0A= =0A= =0A= End of frers-list Digest=0A= From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 27 02:32:23 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:32:23 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> <55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> <011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> <676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: --Boundary_(ID_6x0b2ht40aZTNss1OdEFWQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Where do we stand on this deal? Last I heard I think we were at 5 out of 8 n= eeded. Any more jumping on board? Art > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber wrote: >=20 > Yes, I believe for the US guys they=E2=80=99ll all count. Jack is away unt= il Thursday so I might not hear back until then. > =20 > What are you interested in getting? > =20 > DN > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 >=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publ= ication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior= written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any chang= es made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this docum= ent are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply i= ts endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. >=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I'minterested can we order through our local northsails loft? >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Hoyt, Mike > To: frers-list > Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >=20 > I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence. Will t= hat=20 > count toward total? > =20 > Mike=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber > Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > That's four. Who else is in? > =20 > DN > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 > =20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins=20 > | youtube.com/bowerswilkins > =20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including=20= > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden with= out=20 > prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for an= y=20 > changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in thi= s=20 > document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or i= mply=20 > its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Robert Farnum > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I'm in for a #1. > =20 > Bob > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Dave Nauber > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > Great. What are you looking to get? > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 > =20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins=20 > | youtube.com/bowerswilkins > =20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including=20= > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden with= out=20 > prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for an= y=20 > changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in thi= s=20 > document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or i= mply=20 > its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him up w= ith=20 > Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jump in= .=20 > =20 > Art > =20 > On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: > Hi everyone, > =20 > Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail o= rders=20 > placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to mo= tivate=20 > you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now a= nd pay=20 > the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. > =20 > We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two,= so=20 > surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me kn= ow if=20 > you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our g= roup=20 > buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Dave > =20 --Boundary_(ID_6x0b2ht40aZTNss1OdEFWQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Where do we stand on this deal?  = Last I heard I think we were at 5 out of 8 needed. Any more jumping on board= ?

Art

On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com> wrote= :

Yes, I believe for the US guys they=E2=80= =99ll all count. Jack is away until Thursday so I might not hear back until t= hen.

<= o:p> 

= What are you interested in getting?

 

DN

 

David Nauber
President
C= lass=C3=A9

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B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusso= n | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3

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I'minterested c= an we order through our local northsails loft?

=

-----Original Message-----
From: Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
To: frers-list &= lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.= com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Fre= rs 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this mon=
th for Persistence.  Will that 
count toward total?<=
/o:p>
 
Mike 
 
 
 
 
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ave Nauber
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North S=
ails
 
That's four. Who else is in?
 
DN
<= pre style=3D"background:white">David Nauber<= o:p>
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On Behalf Of Robert Farnum
Sent: Monday, October=
 13, 2014 3:41 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frer=
s-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
 
I'm in for a #1.
 
Bob
 
From: fre=
rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] 
On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1=
:53 PM
To: f=
rers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Fre=
rs 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
 
Great. W=
hat are you looking to get?
 
David Nauber
President
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sp;
C: 860-301-7011 | classeaud=
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] =

On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Monday, October=
 13, 2014 11:02 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [fr=
ers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
I've been waiting for a quote on one.  I'll chase my guy and hook h=
im up with 
=
Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal i=
s "good enough" to jump in. 
 
Art=

 
On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Naube=
r <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:<=
o:p>
Hi everyone,
 
Jack Orr of Nor=
th Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders 
placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough t=
o motivate 
=
you to buy one or two new weapons for next seaso=
n. You put half down now and pay 
the balance when you take d=
elivery in the Spring.
 
We need to get at l=
east 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so 
=
surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know=
 if 
you're interested or definitely in for some new sails a=
nd we'll turn our group 
buying power into a good deal for e=
veryone. Thanks!
 
Regards,
=
 
Dave
 
= --Boundary_(ID_6x0b2ht40aZTNss1OdEFWQ)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 27 06:18:11 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 05:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #830 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: <20141027013400.9619B61B67@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20141027013400.9619B61B67@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <1057938163.16177528.1414387091662.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> ------=_Part_16177527_1565028717.1414387091659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The first thing I did when I purchased mine in 2000 was to install a ShaftS= eal replacement for the stuffing box. Same result-not a drop of water. It w= as a slick installation, one component over the shaft log and another bolte= d to the transmission drive shaft.=C2=A0Best money I ever spent. Highly rec= ommended.=20 =C2=A0=20 By the way, the info on rudder gators and seals explained where all the wat= er was coming from that accumulated under the engine. I have a tiller=C2=A0= boat and it has a rudder tube gap of about 12-14". Got to get that covered = to eliminate the water problem I've had since=C2=A0I owned the boat. =C2=A0= =20 Frank Wittosch=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "list, frers" =20 To: "frers-list" =20 Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:34:00 PM=20 Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #830 - 2 msgs=20 Send frers-list mailing list submissions to=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list@lists.frers33.co= m=20 To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://lists.frers33.com/ma= ilman/listinfo/frers-list=20 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list-request@lists.fr= ers33.com=20 You can reach the person managing the list at=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0frers-list-admin@lists.frer= s33.com=20 When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific=20 than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..."=20 Today's Topics:=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #829 - 1 msg (Bottaro, Donald = (NIH/NCI) [E])=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Re: Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails (Arthur Kelley)=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 1=20 From: "Bottaro, Donald (NIH/NCI) [E]" =20 To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:58:01 +0000=20 Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #829 - 1 msg=20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 18 years ago i removed the traditional stuffing box in Whirlaway and instal= =3D=20 led (what was then called) a "strong seal" from tides marine. The bronze sh= =3D=20 aft was badly worn and replaced that as well. Since that time the shaft has= =3D=20 =C2=A0never leaked, and I am amazed everytime i watch that shaft turn to se= e not=3D=20 hing - not a drop. I believe their current product is based on the same pri= =3D=20 nciple but looks more complicated than the one that i have. I have no inves= =3D=20 tment in tides marine, but have been very satisfied with their rudder beari= =3D=20 ngs and shaft seal.=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 Don Bottaro=3D0A=3D=20 Frers 33 Whirlaway=3D0A=3D=20 ________________________________________=3D0A=3D=20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.co= =3D=20 m] on behalf of frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com [frers-list-request@li= =3D=20 sts.frers33.com]=3D0A=3D=20 Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 1:02 AM=3D0A=3D=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=3D0A=3D=20 Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #829 - 1 msg=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 Send frers-list mailing list submissions to=3D0A=3D=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0frers-list@lists.frers33.com=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit=3D0A=3D=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/= frers-list=3D0A=3D=20 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to=3D0A=3D=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com=3D0A= =3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 You can reach the person managing the list at=3D0A=3D=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=3D0A=3D= =20 =3D0A=3D=20 When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific=3D0A=3D= =20 than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..."=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 Today's Topics:=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. Lip Seals and Gators for Rudder Tubes (Rod Stright)=3D0A=3D= =20 =3D0A=3D=20 -- __--__-- =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 Message: 1=3D0A=3D=20 From: Rod Stright =3D0A=3D=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=3D0A=3D=20 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 06:49:11 -0300=3D0A=3D=20 Subject: [frers-list]Lip Seals and Gators for Rudder Tubes=3D0A=3D=20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 This is a multipart message in MIME format.=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 ------=3D3D_NextPart_000_0009_01CFF01F.C86C31E0=3D0A=3D=20 Content-Type: text/plain;=3D0A=3D=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0charset=3D3D"US-ASCII"=3D0A=3D=20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 Here is an article that explains the problem and offers two solutions. =C2= =A0Jus=3D=20 t=3D0A=3D=20 a bit concerned about the additional friction but since I have dropped my= =3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 rudder am considering both. =C2=A0I believe some of the Frers 33 have lip s= eals=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 but am not sure about gators.=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 http://www.pyiinc.com/jefa-rudder/lipseals_gators_ruddertubes.html=3D0A=3D= =20 =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 Regards=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 ------=3D3D_NextPart_000_0009_01CFF01F.C86C31E0=3D0A=3D=20 Content-Type: text/html;=3D0A=3D=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0charset=3D3D"US-ASCII"=3D0A=3D=20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20
Here is an article that explains the problem and =3D3= D=3D0A=3D=20 offers two solutions.  Just a bit concerned about the additional =3D3D= =3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 friction but since I have dropped my rudder am considering both.  I = =3D=20 =3D3D=3D0A=3D=20 believe some of the Frers 33 have lip seals but am not sure about =3D3D=3D0= A=3D=20 gators.

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Regards

 

=3D0A=3D=20 ------=3D3D_NextPart_000_0009_01CFF01F.C86C31E0--=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 -- __--__-- =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 _______________________________________________=3D0A=3D=20 frers-list mailing list=3D0A=3D=20 frers-list@lists.frers33.com=3D0A=3D=20 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 =3D0A=3D=20 End of frers-list Digest=3D0A=3D=20 --__--__--=20 Message: 2=20 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:32:23 -0400=20 From: Arthur Kelley =20 Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=20 To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 --Boundary_(ID_6x0b2ht40aZTNss1OdEFWQ)=20 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8=20 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable=20 Where do we stand on this deal? =C2=A0Last I heard I think we were at 5 out= of 8 n=3D=20 eeded. Any more jumping on board?=20 Art=20 > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber wrote:= =20 >=3D20=20 > Yes, I believe for the US guys they=3DE2=3D80=3D99ll all count. Jack is a= way unt=3D=20 il Thursday so I might not hear back until then.=20 > =3D20=20 > What are you interested in getting?=20 > =3D20=20 > DN=20 > =3D20=20 > David Nauber=20 > President=20 > Class=3DC3=3DA9=20 >=3D20=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=20 > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=3DC3=3DA7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3= =20 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowe= r=3D=20 s_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins=20 >=3D20=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Pub= l=3D=20 ication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electr= o=3D=20 nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r=3D=20 =C2=A0written consent. 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The views expressed in this docu= m=3D=20 ent are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply = i=3D=20 ts endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 >=3D20=20 > =3D20=20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.f= r=3D=20 ers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM=20 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=20 > =3D20=20 > I'minterested can we order through our local northsails loft?=20 >=3D20=20 >=3D20=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Hoyt, Mike =20 > To: frers-list =20 > Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm=20 > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=20 >=3D20=20 > I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence. =C2=A0= Will t=3D=20 hat=3D20=20 > count toward total?=20 > =3D20=20 > Mike=3D20=20 > =3D20=20 > =3D20=20 > =3D20=20 > =3D20=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber=20 > Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM=20 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=20 > =3D20=20 > That's four. Who else is in?=20 > =3D20=20 > DN=20 > =3D20=20 > David Nauber=20 > President=20 > Class=3DC3=3DA9=20 > =3D20=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=20 > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=3DC3=3DA7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3= =20 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowe= r=3D=20 s_wilkins=3D20=20 > | youtube.com/bowerswilkins=20 > =3D20=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=3D2= 0=20 > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including= =3D20=3D=20 > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden wit= h=3D=20 out=3D20=20 > prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for a= n=3D=20 y=3D20=20 > changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in th= i=3D=20 s=3D20=20 > document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or= i=3D=20 mply=3D20=20 > its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=3D20=20 > =3D20=20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.f= r=3D=20 ers33.com]=3D20=20 > On Behalf Of Robert Farnum=20 > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM=20 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=20 > =3D20=20 > I'm in for a #1.=20 > =3D20=20 > Bob=20 > =3D20=20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.f= r=3D=20 ers33.com]=3D20=20 > On Behalf Of Dave Nauber=20 > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM=20 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=20 > =3D20=20 > Great. What are you looking to get?=20 > =3D20=20 > David Nauber=20 > President=20 > Class=3DC3=3DA9=20 > =3D20=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=20 > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=3DC3=3DA7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3= =20 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowe= r=3D=20 s_wilkins=3D20=20 > | youtube.com/bowerswilkins=20 > =3D20=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=3D2= 0=20 > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including= =3D20=3D=20 > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden wit= h=3D=20 out=3D20=20 > prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for a= n=3D=20 y=3D20=20 > changes made to this message after it was sent. 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The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to m= o=3D=20 tivate=3D20=20 > you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now = a=3D=20 nd pay=3D20=20 > the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.=20 > =3D20=20 > We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two= ,=3D=20 =C2=A0so=3D20=20 > surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me k= n=3D=20 ow if=3D20=20 > you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our = g=3D=20 roup=3D20=20 > buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks!=20 > =3D20=20 > Regards,=20 > =3D20=20 > Dave=20 > =3D20=20 --Boundary_(ID_6x0b2ht40aZTNss1OdEFWQ)=20 Content-type: text/html; charset=3Dutf-8=20 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable=20
Where do we stand on this deal? &nb= sp;=3D=20 Last I heard I think we were at 5 out of 8 needed. Any more jumping on boar= d=3D=20 ?

Art

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Yes, I believe for the US guys they=3DE2= =3D80=3D=20 =3D99ll all count. Jack is away until Thursday so I might not hear back unt= il t=3D=20 hen.

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=3D=20 What are you interested in getting?

 

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The first thing I did when I= purchased mine in 2000 was to install a ShaftSeal replacement for the stuf= fing box. Same result-not a drop of water. It was a slick installation, one= component over the shaft log and another bolted to the transmission drive = shaft. Best money I ever spent. Highly recommended.
 
By the way, the info on rudder gators and = seals explained where all the water was coming from that accumulated under = the engine. I have a tiller boat and it has a rudder tube gap of about= 12-14". Got to get that covered to eliminate the water problem I've had si= nce I owned the boat.  
Frank Wittosch

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   2. Re: Frers 33 Fleet Deal fr= om North Sails (Arthur Kelley)

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From: "Bottaro, Donald (NIH/NCI) [E]" <bott= arod@mail.nih.gov>
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@= lists.frers33.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:58:01 +0000
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18 years ago i removed the traditional stuffing box in Whirl= away and instal=3D
led (what was then called) a "strong seal" from tides= marine. The bronze sh=3D
aft was badly worn and replaced that as well. = Since that time the shaft has=3D
 never leaked, and I am amazed eve= rytime i watch that shaft turn to see not=3D
hing - not a drop. I believ= e their current product is based on the same pri=3D
nciple but looks mor= e complicated than the one that i have. I have no inves=3D
tment in tide= s marine, but have been very satisfied with their rudder beari=3D
ngs an= d shaft seal.=3D0A=3D
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:32:23 -0400
From:= Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Fr= ers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &l= t;frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
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Where do we stand on this deal?  Last I heard I think w= e were at 5 out of 8 n=3D
eeded. Any more jumping on board?

Art

> On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber <dnauber@cl= asseaudio.com> wrote:
>=3D20
> Yes, I believe for the US guy= s they=3DE2=3D80=3D99ll all count. Jack is away unt=3D
il Thursday so I = might not hear back until then.
> =3D20
> What are you interest= ed in getting?
> =3D20
> DN
> =3D20
> David Nauber<= BR>> President
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> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mai= lto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr=3D
ers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com=
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM
> To: frers-list@lis= ts.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from No= rth Sails
> =3D20
> I'minterested can we order through our loca= l northsails loft?
>=3D20
>=3D20
> -----Original Message-= ----
> From: Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
> To: fr= ers-list <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 20= 14 6:10 pm
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North = Sails
>=3D20
> I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this mont= h for Persistence.  Will t=3D
hat=3D20
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> Mike=3D20
> =3D20
> =3D20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-ad= min@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber
> Sent: Mon 13/10/2014= 6:41 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [fre= rs-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
> =3D20
> That's f= our. Who else is in?
> =3D20
> DN
> =3D20
> David N= auber
> President
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> From: frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr=3D
ers33.com]=3D20
>= ; On Behalf Of Robert Farnum
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM=
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]= Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
> =3D20
> I'm in for a #1.=
> =3D20
> Bob
> =3D20
> From: frers-list-admin@lis= ts.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr=3D
ers33.com]=3D20
&= gt; On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM=
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]= Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
> =3D20
> Great. What are = you looking to get?
> =3D20
> David Nauber
> President> Class=3DC3=3DA9
> =3D20
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> =3D20
> From: frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr=3D
ers33.com]=3D20
>= ; On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 A= M
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list= ]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
> =3D20
> I've been waiti= ng for a quote on one.  I'll chase my guy and hook him up w=3D
ith= =3D20
> Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enoug= h" to jump in=3D
.=3D20
> =3D20
> Art
> =3D20
> = On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:=
> Hi everyone,
> =3D20
> Jack Orr of North Sails has off= ered us a generous fleet deal for new sail o=3D
rders=3D20
> place= d by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to mo=3Dtivate=3D20
> you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You= put half down now a=3D
nd pay=3D20
> the balance when you take de= livery in the Spring.
> =3D20
> We need to get at least 8 sails= ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two,=3D
 so=3D20
> sur= ely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me kn=3D<= BR>ow if=3D20
> you're interested or definitely in for some new sails= and we'll turn our g=3D
roup=3D20
> buying power into a good deal= for everyone. Thanks!
> =3D20
> Regards,
> =3D20
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pan style=3D3D"font-size:10.0pt= ;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=3D
f&quo= t;">From:</span></b><span style=3D3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon= t-family:&quot;T=3D
ahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"&= gt; <a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@list=3D
s.frers33.com">fr= ers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a> [<a href=3D3D"mailto:fre=3Drs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33= .com</=3D
a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href=3D3D"mail= to:lessera@aol.com">lessera@aol.com</=3D
a><br><b>S= ent:</b> Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM<br><b>To:</= b> <a href=3D3D=3D
"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-= list@lists.frers33.com</a><br><b=3D
>Subject:</b>= ; Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails<o:p></o:p= =3D
></span></p></div><p class=3D3D"MsoNormal"&g= t;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D3D"Ms=3D
oNor= mal" style=3D3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D3D"font-size:10.0= pt;font=3D
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu= ot;;color:black">I'minterested c=3D
an we order through our local nor= thsails loft?<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p= >=3D
<div><p class=3D3D"MsoNormal" style=3D3D"margin-bottom:= 12.0pt"><span style=3D3D"fo=3D
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo= t;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;colo=3D
r:black">= ;-----Original Message-----<br>From: Hoyt, Mike &lt;<a href=3D= 3D"mailt=3D
o:Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com">Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com</a>= ;&gt;<br>To: frers-list &=3D
lt;<a href=3D3D"mailto:fre= rs-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.=3D
com</a>= &gt;<br>Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm<br>Subject: RE: [fr= ers-list]Fre=3D
rs 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails<o:p></o:p>= </span></p><div id=3D3D"AOLMsgPart=3D
_0_67de5748-3850-42= 7d-98b0-2903a63904cc"><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt=3D<= BR>><span style=3D3D"color:black">I ordered a sail from north in H= alifax this mon=3D
th for Persistence.&nbsp; Will that <o:p>&l= t;/o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D=3D
"bac= kground:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">count towar= d total?<o:p><=3D
/o:p></span></tt></pre>&= lt;pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"co=3D<= BR>lor:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></tt>&= lt;/pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white=3D
"><tt><spa= n style=3D3D"color:black">Mike <o:p></o:p></span></= tt></pre><pre sty=3D
le=3D3D"background:white"><tt>= <span style=3D3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s= =3D
pan></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"&g= t;<tt><span style=3D3D"color:blac=3D
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pan style=3D3D"color:black"><o:p&= gt;&nbsp;</o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style= =3D3D"b=3D
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t></p= re><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D= "color:black">----=3D
-Original Message-----<o:p></o:p>&l= t;/span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:=3D
whit= e"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">From: <a href=3D3D"m= ailto:frers-list-ad=3D
min@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.= frers33.com</a> on behalf of D=3D
ave Nauber<o:p></o:p>= ;</span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"&g= t;<tt><=3D
span style=3D3D"color:black">Sent: Mon 13/10/2014= 6:41 PM<o:p></o:p></span></t=3D
t></pre>&= lt;pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:= black">To: <=3D
a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"&g= t;frers-list@lists.frers33.com<=3D
/a><o:p></o:p></= span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><= tt><span st=3D
yle=3D3D"color:black">Subject: RE: [frers-list]F= rers 33 Fleet Deal from North S=3D
ails<o:p></o:p></span&= gt;</tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt>= ;<span s=3D
tyle=3D3D"color:black"> <o:p></o:p></sp= an></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:=3D
white">= ;<tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">That's four. Who else is in?= <o:p></o:=3D
p></span></tt></pre><pre s= tyle=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color=3D
:b= lack"> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pr= e style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><s=3D
pan style=3D3D"colo= r:black">DN<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>&l= t;pre style=3D3D"backg=3D
round:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"= color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>= ;<=3D
pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D= 3D"color:black">David Nauber<=3D
o:p></o:p></span>&= lt;/tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><= ;span style=3D3D=3D
"color:black">President<o:p></o:p><= ;/span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background=3D
:white= "><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">Class=3DC3=3DA9<o:p&g= t;</o:p></span></tt></=3D
pre><pre style=3D3D= "background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black"><o:p= >&nb=3D
sp;</o:p></span></tt></pre><pr= e style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D=3D
"colo= r:black">C: 860-301-7011 | <a href=3D3D"http://classeaudio.com">cl= asseaud=3D
io.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt&g= t;</pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><=3D
= span style=3D3D"color:black">B&amp;W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=3DC3= =3DA7ois Cusson |=3D
 Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3<o:p></o:p>= </span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background=3D
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tt><span style= =3D3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></tt= ></pre><pre style=3D
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 responsibili= ty for any <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><p= re style=3D3D"backgroun=3D
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">its endorsement or recommendati= on by B&amp;W Group Ltd. <o:p></o:p></span>=3D
<= ;/tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><s= pan style=3D3D"color:black">&=3D
nbsp;<o:p></o:p><= /span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><= ;tt><span s=3D
tyle=3D3D"color:black">From: <a href=3D3D"mai= lto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.=3D
com">frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com</a> [<a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-ad=3D
min@lists.f= rers33.com?">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] <o:= p>=3D
</o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style= =3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"c=3D
olor:black= ">On Behalf Of Robert Farnum<o:p></o:p></span></tt&= gt;</pre><pre styl=3D
e=3D3D"background:white"><tt><= ;span style=3D3D"color:black">Sent: Monday, October=3D
 13, 2014= 3:41 PM<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre = style=3D3D"background:white=3D
"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:= black">To: <a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.fre=3D
rs33.com"&g= t;frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><o:p></o:p></span>= ;</tt></pre><pre s=3D
tyle=3D3D"background:white"><= tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">Subject: RE: [frer=3D
s-list]F= rers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails<o:p></o:p></span><= /tt></pre><pre=3D
 style=3D3D"background:white"><= tt><span style=3D3D"color:black"> <o:p></o:p></sp= =3D
an></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white">= ;<tt><span style=3D3D"color:black=3D
">I'm in for a #1.<o= :p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"ba= ckground:whit=3D
e"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black"> &l= t;o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D= =3D
"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">= Bob<o:p></o:p></span></tt=3D
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></o:p></span></tt></pre><= ;pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"=3D
c= olor:black">From: <a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.= com">fre=3D
rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a> [<a href=3D3= D"mailto:frers-list-admin@list=3D
s.frers33.com?">mailto:frers-list-a= dmin@lists.frers33.com</a>] <o:p></o:p></=3D
span&g= t;</tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt>= <span style=3D3D"color:bla=3D
ck">On Behalf Of Dave Nauber<o:p&= gt;</o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"backg= =3D
round:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">Sent: = Monday, October 13, 2014 1=3D
:53 PM<o:p></o:p></span>= </tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt>&l= t;span=3D
 style=3D3D"color:black">To: <a href=3D3D"mailto:fr= ers-list@lists.frers33.com">f=3D
rers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>= ;<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style= =3D3D"ba=3D
ckground:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black= ">Subject: RE: [frers-list]Fre=3D
rs 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails&l= t;o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D= "=3D
background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">= <o:p></o:p></span></tt></=3D
pre><pre = style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black"&= gt;Great. W=3D
hat are you looking to get?<o:p></o:p></sp= an></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"backgr=3D
ound:white">= ;<tt><span style=3D3D"color:black"> <o:p></o:p><= /span></tt></pre><p=3D
re style=3D3D"background:white"= ><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">David Nauber<o=3D
:= p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"bac= kground:white"><tt><span style=3D3D=3D
"color:black">Pres= ident<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre sty= le=3D3D"background=3D
:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:bla= ck">Class=3DC3=3DA9<o:p></o:p></span></tt></= =3D
pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span st= yle=3D3D"color:black"><o:p>&nb=3D
sp;</o:p></span&= gt;</tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt>= ;<span style=3D3D=3D
"color:black">C: 860-301-7011 | <a href=3D= 3D"http://classeaudio.com">classeaud=3D
io.com</a><o:p>&l= t;/o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background= :white"><tt><=3D
span style=3D3D"color:black">B&amp;W= Group Canada | 5070 Fran=3DC3=3DA7ois Cusson |=3D
 Lachine | QC | = H8T 1B3<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre s= tyle=3D3D"background=3D
:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:b= lack">Follow Bowers &amp; Wilkins on: <a h=3D
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erswilkins</a><o:p></o:p>&= lt;/span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white">= <=3D
tt><span style=3D3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;&= lt;/o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D
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f its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including &= lt;o:p></o:p></spa=3D
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>electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidd= en witho=3D
ut <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre&g= t;<pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span st=3D
yle= =3D3D"color:black">prior written consent. B&amp;W Group Ltd does not= accept=3D
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d:white">&= lt;tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">changes made to this message a= fter i=3D
t was sent. The views expressed in this <o:p></o:p>= ;</span></tt></pre><pre st=3D
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f the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply <o:p= ></o:p></sp=3D
an></tt></pre><pre style=3D= 3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black=3D
"&g= t;its endorsement or recommendation by B&amp;W Group Ltd. <o:p>&l= t;/o:p></span>=3D
</tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"bac= kground:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">&=3Dnbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre st= yle=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span s=3D
tyle=3D3D"color:bl= ack">From: <a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.=3D
= com">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a> [<a href=3D3D"mailt= o:frers-list-ad=3D
min@lists.frers33.com?">mailto:frers-list-admin@li= sts.frers33.com</a>] <o:p>=3D
</o:p></span></= tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><spa= n style=3D3D"c=3D
olor:black">On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley<o:p>&l= t;/o:p></span></tt></pre><pre styl=3D
e=3D3D"bac= kground:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">Sent: Monda= y, October=3D
 13, 2014 11:02 AM<o:p></o:p></span>= ;</tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:whit=3D
e"><= tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">To: <a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-= list@lists.fr=3D
ers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><= ;o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre=3D
 = ;style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black"= >Subject: Re: [fr=3D
ers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails<= ;o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><p=3D
re styl= e=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black"> = <o:p></o:p></=3D
span></tt></pre><pre s= tyle=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:bla=3Dck">I've been waiting for a quote on one.&nbsp; I'll chase my guy = and hook h=3D
im up with <o:p></o:p></span></tt>= </pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt>=3D
<sp= an style=3D3D"color:black">Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the dea= l i=3D
s "good enough" to jump in. <o:p></o:p></span>&= lt;/tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"backg=3D
round:white"><tt= ><span style=3D3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>&l= t;/span></tt></=3D
pre><pre style=3D3D"background:whit= e"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">Art<o:p>=3D
&l= t;/o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background= :white"><tt><span style=3D3D"c=3D
olor:black"><o:p>= &nbsp;</o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3= D"background:whit=3D
e"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">= ;On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Naube=3D
r &lt;<a href=3D3D"= mailto:dnauber@yahoo.com">dnauber@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<= =3D
o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style= =3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D=3D
"color:black= ">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>= ;<pre style=3D3D"backgro=3D
und:white"><tt><span style=3D= 3D"color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre= ><pr=3D
e style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style= =3D3D"color:black">Jack Orr of Nor=3D
th Sails has offered us a gener= ous fleet deal for new sail orders <o:p></o:p=3D
></span&= gt;</tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt>= ;<span style=3D3D"color:=3D
black">placed by November 10th. The de= al is 20% off, which should be enough t=3D
o motivate <o:p></o:= p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:whit= e"><tt>=3D
<span style=3D3D"color:black">you to buy one o= r two new weapons for next seaso=3D
n. You put half down now and pay <= ;o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"= =3D
background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">t= he balance when you take d=3D
elivery in the Spring.<o:p></o:p&= gt;</span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:=3Dwhite"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black"> <o:p></o= :p></span></tt></pre><pre st=3D
yle=3D3D"backgro= und:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">We need to get = at l=3D
east 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so <o= :p></o:p></span=3D
></tt></pre><pre style= =3D3D"background:white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black">= =3D
surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let= me know=3D
 if <o:p></o:p></span></tt><= /pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt><span s=3D
= tyle=3D3D"color:black">you're interested or definitely in for some new s= ails a=3D
nd we'll turn our group <o:p></o:p></span>&l= t;/tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"backgroun=3D
d:white"><tt&= gt;<span style=3D3D"color:black">buying power into a good deal for e= =3D
veryone. Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></tt></= pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"=3D
><tt><span st= yle=3D3D"color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></tt>&l= t;/pre><pre style=3D3D=3D
"background:white"><tt><span= style=3D3D"color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span=3D
= ></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white"><tt&g= t;<span style=3D3D"color:black">=3D
 <o:p></o:p>&= lt;/span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:white">= <tt><span styl=3D
e=3D3D"color:black">Dave<o:p></o:= p></span></tt></pre><pre style=3D3D"background:=3D<= BR>white"><tt><span style=3D3D"color:black"><o:p>&= nbsp;</o:p></span></tt></pre></=3D
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------=_Part_16177527_1565028717.1414387091659-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 27 12:08:55 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:08:55 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> <55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> <011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> <676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719E01@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFF1D6.794096A1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My sail ordered at north in Canada does not count. Sorry mike -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Arthur Kelley Sent: Sun 26/10/2014 10:32 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 Where do we stand on this deal? Last I heard I think we were at 5 out = of 8 needed. Any more jumping on board? Art > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber = wrote: >=20 > Yes, I believe for the US guys they'll all count. Jack is away until = Thursday so I might not hear back until then. > =20 > What are you interested in getting? > =20 > DN > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=E9 >=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd. >=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I'minterested can we order through our local northsails loft? >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Hoyt, Mike > To: frers-list > Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >=20 > I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence. = Will that=20 > count toward total? > =20 > Mike=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber > Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > That's four. Who else is in? > =20 > DN > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=E9 > =20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins=20 > | youtube.com/bowerswilkins > =20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium = (including=20 > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without=20 > prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility = for any=20 > changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in = this=20 > document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute = or imply=20 > its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Robert Farnum > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I'm in for a #1. > =20 > Bob > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Dave Nauber > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > Great. What are you looking to get? > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=E9 > =20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins=20 > | youtube.com/bowerswilkins > =20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium = (including=20 > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without=20 > prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility = for any=20 > changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in = this=20 > document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute = or imply=20 > its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him = up with=20 > Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to = jump in.=20 > =20 > Art > =20 > On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: > Hi everyone, > =20 > Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new = sail orders=20 > placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough = to motivate=20 > you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down = now and pay=20 > the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. > =20 > We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying = two, so=20 > surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let = me know if=20 > you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn = our group=20 > buying power into a good deal for everyone. 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<676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1414417317.32996.YahooMailNeo@web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --1228296801-1365138166-1414417317=:32996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who are you counting in your five? I thought we had one each for you, Arnie= Lesser, Bob Connell, Scott Marino and Bob Farnum plus two for me. That's s= even if all of these are confirmed. Just need one more!=0A=0ADN=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Arthur Kelley =0ATo: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =0ASent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]Fr= ers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A =0A=0A=0AWhere do we stand on this de= al? Last I heard I think we were at 5 out of 8 needed. Any more jumping on= board?=0A=0AArt=0A=0AOn Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber wrote:=0A=0A=0AYes, I believe for the US guys they=E2=80=99ll= all count. Jack is away until Thursday so I might not hear back until then= .=0A =0AWhat are you interested in getting?=0A =0ADN=0A =0ADavid Nauber=0AP= resident=0AClass=C3=A9=0A=0AC: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=0AB&W Group C= anada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3=0AFollow Bowers = & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | you= tube.com/bowerswilkins=0A=0AThis email message=0A is confidential and for u= se by the addressee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part i= n any medium (including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is e= xpressly forbidden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not ac= cept responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent.= The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may no= t necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W = Group Ltd. =0A =0AFrom:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-lis= t-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com=0ASent: Tuesday, Oc= tober 14, 2014 8:28 AM=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASubject: Re: [f= rers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A =0AI'minterested can we o= rder through our local northsails loft?=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----= =0AFrom: Hoyt, Mike =0ATo: frers-list =0ASent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm=0ASubject: RE: [frers-l= ist]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0AI ordered a sail from north in H= alifax this month for Persistence. Will that =0Acount toward total?=0A =0A= Mike =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: frers-list-admin= @lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber=0ASent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM= =0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASubject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fle= et Deal from North Sails=0AThat's four. Who else is in?=0ADN=0ADavid Nauber= =0APresident=0AClass=C3=A9=0A =0AC: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=0AB&W Gr= oup Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3=0AFollow Bo= wers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins = =0A| youtube.com/bowerswilkins=0A =0AThis email message is confidential and= for use by the addressee only. =0APublication of its contents in whole or = in part in any medium (including =0Aelectronic means such as e-mail and web= -sites) is expressly forbidden without =0Aprior written consent. B&W Group = Ltd does not accept responsibility for any =0Achanges made to this message = after it was sent. 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What are you l= ooking to get?=0ADavid Nauber=0APresident=0AClass=C3=A9=0A =0AC: 860-301-70= 11 | classeaudio.com=0AB&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachi= ne | QC | H8T 1B3=0AFollow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins = | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins =0A| youtube.com/bowerswilkins=0A =0AThis emai= l message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. =0APublication= of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including =0Aelectronic= means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without =0Aprio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any =0A= changes made to this message after it was sent. 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You put half dow= n now and pay =0Athe balance when you take delivery in the Spring.=0AWe nee= d to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so =0A= surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me kno= w if =0Ayou're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll tur= n our group =0Abuying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks!=0ARegard= s,=0ADave --1228296801-1365138166-1414417317=:32996 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Who are you counting in your five?= I thought we had one each for you, Arnie Lesser, Bob Connell, Scott Marino= and Bob Farnum plus two for me. That's seven if all of these are confirmed= . Just need one more!

DN



From: Arthur Kelley <ak= elley@optonline.net>
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:32 PM
<= b id=3D"yiv2067299983yui_3_16_0_1_1414414549683_9832">Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails

Where do we stand= on this deal?  Last I heard I think we were at 5=0A out of 8 needed. = Any more jumping on board?

Art

On Oc= t 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com> wrote:

Yes, I believe for t= he US guys they=E2=80=99ll all count. Jack is away until Thursday so I migh= t not hear back until then.
 
What are you interest= ed in getting?
 
DN
 
David Nauber
President
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
 
I'minterested can we=0A order through our local northsails l= oft?

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From: Hoyt, Mike= <Mike.Hoyt@i= mpgroup.com>
To: frers-list <frers-list@lists.frers= 33.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
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I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence.  Wi=
ll=0A that 
count toward total?
  
Mike 
  
  
  
  
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PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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t]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
 
That's four. Who e=
lse is in?
 
=
DN
 
David Nauber
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<=
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= 
Bob
 
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailt=
o:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] 
On Behalf Of Arthur Kell=
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Sent: Monday,=
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I've been waiting for a quote on one.  I'll chase my guy and hoo=
k him up with 
Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "g=
ood enough" to jump in. 
=
  
Art
  
On Oct =
13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,=

 
Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal fo=
r new sail orders 
placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, wh=
ich should be enough to motivate=0A 
you to buy one or two new weap=
ons for next season. You put half down now and pay 
the balance whe=
n you take delivery in the Spring.
 
We need to get at leas=
t 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so 
<=
pre style=3D"background:white;">surely we =
can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if 
you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn ou=
r group 
buying power into a good deal for=0A everyone. Thanks!
 
Regards,
 
Dave
  


<= /html> --1228296801-1365138166-1414417317=:32996-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 27 15:21:36 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:21:36 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: <1414417317.32996.YahooMailNeo@web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> <55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> <011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> <676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> <1414417317.32996.YahooMailNeo@web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EB300E1-6297-41FB-87EC-8604F568545B@optonline.net> --Boundary_(ID_/EMgp72bDmIL1r9hT76Gug) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Nice, I miscounted. Come on guys! Art > On Oct 27, 2014, at 9:41 AM, David Nauber wrote: >=20 > Who are you counting in your five? I thought we had one each for you, Arni= e Lesser, Bob Connell, Scott Marino and Bob Farnum plus two for me. That's s= even if all of these are confirmed. Just need one more! >=20 > DN >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Arthur Kelley > To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >=20 > Where do we stand on this deal? Last I heard I think we were at 5 out of 8= needed. Any more jumping on board? >=20 > Art >=20 >> On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber wrote:= >>=20 >=20 > Yes, I believe for the US guys they=E2=80=99ll all count. Jack is away unt= il Thursday so I might not hear back until then. > =20 > What are you interested in getting? > =20 > DN > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 >=20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publ= ication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior= written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any chang= es made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this docum= ent are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply i= ts endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I'minterested can we order through our local northsails loft? >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Hoyt, Mike > To: frers-list > Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence. Will > that=20 > count toward total? > =20 > Mike=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber > Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > That's four. Who else is in? > =20 > DN > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 > =20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins=20 > | youtube.com/bowerswilkins > =20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including=20= > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden with= out=20 > prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for an= y=20 > changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in thi= s=20 > document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or i= mply=20 > its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Robert Farnum > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I'm in for > a #1. > =20 > Bob > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Dave Nauber > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > Great. What are you looking to get? > =20 > David Nauber > President > Class=C3=A9 > =20 > C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com > B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 > Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins=20 > | youtube.com/bowerswilkins > =20 > This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 > Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including=20= > electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden with= out=20 > prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for an= y=20 > changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in thi= s=20 > document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or i= mply=20 > its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 > =20 > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails > =20 > I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him up w= ith=20 > Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jump in= .=20 > =20 > Art > =20 > On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: > Hi everyone, > =20 > Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail o= rders=20 > placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to mo= tivate > =20 > you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now a= nd pay=20 > the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. > =20 > We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two,= so=20 > surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me kn= ow if=20 > you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our g= roup=20 > buying power into a good deal for > everyone. Thanks! > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Dave > =20 >=20 >=20 --Boundary_(ID_/EMgp72bDmIL1r9hT76Gug) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Nice, I miscounted.   Come on guy= s!

Art

On Oct 27, 2014, at 9:41 AM, David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:

<= /div>
Who are you count= ing in your five? I thought we had one each for you, Arnie Lesser, Bob Conne= ll, Scott Marino and Bob Farnum plus two for me. That's seven if all of thes= e are confirmed. Just need one more!

DN



From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>
<= b>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.c= om" <frers-list@lists= .frers33.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:32= PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from Nor= th Sails

Where= do we stand on this deal?  Last I heard I think we were at 5 out of 8 needed. Any more jumping on board?

Art

On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com> wrote= :

=
Yes, I beli= eve for the US guys they=E2=80=99ll all count. Jack is away until Thursday s= o I might not hear back until then.
 
What are you inte= rested in getting?
 
DN
 
David Nauber
President
= Class=C3=A9

C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T= 1B3
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:fr= ers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com
Sent: T= uesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers= 33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet D= eal from North Sails
 
I'minterested can we order through our local northsails loft?

-----Original Message-----<= br clear=3D"none">From: Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
To: fr= ers-list <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct= 13, 2014 6:10 pm
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet D= eal from North Sails
I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for P=
ersistence.  Will
 that 
count toward total?
  
Mike 
  =

  
  
  
-----Original Message---=
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Da=
ve Nauber
Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.co=
m
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
 
That's four. Who else is in?
 
DN
 
David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9
  
C: 8=
60-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
B&W Group Canada | 50=
70 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [m=
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Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM
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I'm in for
 a #1.
 
Bob
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3 Fleet Deal from North Sails
 
Great. What are you looking to=
 get?
 
David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9
  
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O=
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=
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 =
Fleet Deal from North Sails
 
I've been waiting for a quote on=
 one.  I'll chase my guy and hook him up with 
Jack again. 20% i=
s right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jump in. 
  
Art
  
On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber <=
;dnauber@yahoo.com> w=
rote:
Hi everyone,
=
 
Jack Orr of North Sails has offere=
d us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders 
placed by November 10th=
. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to motivate
 
you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half dow=
n now and pay 
the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.
 
We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be b=
uying two, so 
surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, rig=
ht? Please let me know if 
you're interested or definitely in for som=
e new sails and we'll turn our group 
buying power into a good deal f=
or
 everyone. Thanks!
 
Regards,
 
Dave=

 &nb=
sp;

=
= --Boundary_(ID_/EMgp72bDmIL1r9hT76Gug)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Oct 27 23:12:31 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (David Nauber) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:12:31 -0700 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: <3EB300E1-6297-41FB-87EC-8604F568545B@optonline.net> References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> <55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> <011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> <676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> <1414417317.32996.YahooMailNeo@web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3EB300E1-6297-41FB-87EC-8604F568545B@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1414447951.20515.YahooMailNeo@web126102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --1923879097-1668895870-1414447951=:20515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keep in mind that it doesn't have to be a 3DL or 3Di, it can be a spinnaker= , a Dacron something, any sail...=0A=0AWe're just one short so surely there= 's one of you who could use a nice new sail.=0A=0ADN=0A=0A=0A______________= __________________=0A From: Arthur Kelley =0ATo: "fr= ers-list@lists.frers33.com" =0ASent: Monday,= October 27, 2014 10:21 AM=0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal f= rom North Sails=0A =0A=0A=0ANice, I miscounted. Come on guys!=0A=0AArt=0A= =0A=0A=0AOn Oct 27, 2014, at 9:41 AM, David Nauber wrot= e:=0A=0A=0AWho are you counting in your five? I thought we had one each for= you, Arnie Lesser, Bob Connell, Scott Marino and Bob Farnum plus two for m= e. That's seven if all of these are confirmed. Just need one more!=0A>=0A>= =0A>DN=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From= : Arthur Kelley =0A>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.co= m" =0A>Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:32 P= M=0A>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A> =0A>= =0A>=0A>Where do we stand on this deal? Last I heard I think we were at 5 = out of 8 needed. Any more jumping on board?=0A>=0A>Art=0A>=0A>On Oct 14, 20= 14, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Yes= , I believe for the US guys they=E2=80=99ll all count. Jack is away until T= hursday so I might not hear back until then.=0A> =0A>What are you intereste= d in getting?=0A> =0A>DN=0A> =0A>David Nauber=0A>President=0A>Class=C3=A9= =0A>=0A>C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=0A>B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran= =C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3=0A>Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: fa= cebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowersw= ilkins=0A>=0A>This email message=0A is confidential and for use by the addr= essee only. Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (= including electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbi= dden without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsib= ility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. The views exp= ressed in this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily = constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. =0A= > =0A>From:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@list= s.frers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com=0A>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2= 014 8:28 AM=0A>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A>Subject: Re: [frers-list= ]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A> =0A>I'minterested can we order th= rough our local northsails loft?=0A>=0A>=0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>F= rom: Hoyt, Mike =0A>To: frers-list =0A>Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm=0A>Subject: RE: [frers-li= st]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A>I ordered a sail from north in H= alifax this month for Persistence. Will that =0A>count toward total?=0A> = =0A>Mike =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>From: frers-= list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber=0A>Sent: Mon 13/10/20= 14 6:41 PM=0A>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A>Subject: RE: [frers-list]= Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A>That's four. Who else is in?=0A>DN= =0A>David Nauber=0A>President=0A>Class=C3=A9=0A> =0A>C: 860-301-7011 | clas= seaudio.com=0A>B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC = | H8T 1B3=0A>Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitt= er.com/bowers_wilkins =0A>| youtube.com/bowerswilkins=0A> =0A>This email me= ssage is confidential and for use by the addressee only. =0A>Publication of= its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including =0A>electronic m= eans such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without =0A>prior= written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any =0A>= changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this= =0A>document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute= or imply =0A>its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. =0A> =0A>= From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] =0A>On Behalf Of Robert Farnum=0A>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 = 3:41 PM=0A>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A>Subject: RE: [frers-list]Fre= rs 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails=0A>I'm in for a #1.=0A>Bob=0A>From: frers= -list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] = =0A>On Behalf Of Dave Nauber=0A>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM=0A>T= o: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A>Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet = Deal from North Sails=0A>Great. What are you looking to get?=0A>David Naube= r=0A>President=0A>Class=C3=A9=0A> =0A>C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=0A>= B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3=0A>Fo= llow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers_w= ilkins =0A>| youtube.com/bowerswilkins=0A> =0A>This email message is confid= ential and for use by the addressee only. =0A>Publication of its contents i= n whole or in part in any medium (including =0A>electronic means such as e-= mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without =0A>prior written consen= t. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any =0A>changes made to= this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this =0A>document a= re that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply =0A>i= ts endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd. =0A> =0A>From: frers-lis= t-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] =0A>O= n Behalf Of Arthur Kelley=0A>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM=0A>To:= frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0A>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet De= al from North Sails=0A>I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my= guy and hook him up with =0A>Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the dea= l is "good enough" to jump in. =0A> =0A>Art=0A> =0A>On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:= 55 AM, David Nauber wrote:=0A>Hi everyone,=0A>Jack Orr = of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail orders =0A= >placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to mo= tivate =0A>you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half = down now and pay =0A>the balance when you take delivery in the Spring.=0A>W= e need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, s= o =0A>surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let = me know if =0A>you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we= 'll turn our group =0A>buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks!= =0A>Regards,=0A>Dave=0A> =0A>=0A> --1923879097-1668895870-1414447951=:20515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Keep in mind that it d= oesn't have to be a 3DL or 3Di, it can be a spinnaker, a Dacron something, = any sail...

We're just one sho= rt so surely there's one of you who could use a nice new sail.
=

DN

=
=
From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net> To: "frers-list@lists.f= rers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet = Deal from North Sails
Nice, I miscounted.   Come on guy= s!

Art



On Oct 27, 2014, at 9:41 AM, David Nau= ber <dnauber@yahoo.com<= /a>> wrote:

<= div>
Who are you counting in your= five? I thought we had one each for you, Arnie Lesser, Bob Connell, Scott = Marino and Bob Farnum plus two for me. That's seven if all of these are con= firmed. Just need one more!

DN



From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>
= To:=0A "frers-list@lists.frers33.com<= /a>" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Sunda= y, October 26, 2014 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]F= rers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
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Where do we s= tand on this deal?  Last I heard I think we were at 5=0A out of 8 need= ed. Any more jumping on board?

Art

O= n Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com> wrote:

<= /blockquote>
Yes, I believe for the US guys they=E2=80=99ll all count. Jack is away u= ntil Thursday so I might not hear back until then.
 
What are you interested in getting?
 
DN=
 
= David Nauber
President
Class=C3=A9

C:= 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
 
I'minterested can we=0A order through our local northsails l= oft?

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From: Hoyt, Mike= <Mike.Hoyt@i= mpgroup.com>
To: frers-list <frers-list@lists.frers= 33.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
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I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence.  Wi=
ll=0A that 
count toward total?
  
Mike 
  
  
  
  
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ginal Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.=
frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber
Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 =
PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-lis=
t]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails
 
That's four. Who e=
lse is in?
 
=
DN
 
David Nauber
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On Behalf Of Robert Farnum
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<=
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= 
Bob
 
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Great. What are you looking to get?=

 
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o:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] 
On Behalf Of Arthur Kell=
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I've been waiting for a quote on one.  I'll chase my guy and hoo=
k him up with 
Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "g=
ood enough" to jump in. 
=
  
Art
  
On Oct =
13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,=

 
Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal fo=
r new sail orders 
placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, wh=
ich should be enough to motivate=0A 
you to buy one or two new weap=
ons for next season. You put half down now and pay 
the balance whe=
n you take delivery in the Spring.
 
We need to get at leas=
t 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two, so 
<=
pre style=3D"background:white;">surely we =
can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me know if 
you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn ou=
r group 
buying power into a good deal for=0A everyone. Thanks!
 
Regards,
 
Dave
  




--1923879097-1668895870-1414447951=:20515-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 28 00:17:53 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:17:53 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net> <55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> <011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> <676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> <1414417317.32996.YahooMailNeo@web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3EB300E1-6297-41FB-87EC-8604F568545B@optonline.net> <1414447951.20515.YahooMailNeo@web126102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719E02@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFF23C.9BDF8C2E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave I ordered and paid in full for a 140% heavy #1 with pentex scrim from = north sails Atlantic in nova Scotia. Convince your guy that north is = north and this is the 8th sail. I don't need the discount as I already = have a good price. However this easily could have been a Doyle sail so = how about brand loyalty? Mike Persistence -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of David Nauber Sent: Mon 27/10/2014 7:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 Keep in mind that it doesn't have to be a 3DL or 3Di, it can be a = spinnaker, a Dacron something, any sail... We're just one short so surely there's one of you who could use a nice = new sail. DN ________________________________ From: Arthur Kelley To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 Nice, I miscounted. Come on guys! Art On Oct 27, 2014, at 9:41 AM, David Nauber wrote: Who are you counting in your five? I thought we had one each for you, = Arnie Lesser, Bob Connell, Scott Marino and Bob Farnum plus two for me. = That's seven if all of these are confirmed. Just need one more! > > >DN > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Arthur Kelley >To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 >Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:32 PM >Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >=20 > > >Where do we stand on this deal? Last I heard I think we were at 5 out = of 8 needed. Any more jumping on board? > >Art > >On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber = wrote: > > >Yes, I believe for the US guys they'll all count. Jack is away until = Thursday so I might not hear back until then. >=20 >What are you interested in getting? >=20 >DN >=20 >David Nauber >President >Class=E9 > >C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com >B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 >Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins > >This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its = contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means = such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior = written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any = changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in = this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily = constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 >=20 >From:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >=20 >I'minterested can we order through our local northsails loft? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hoyt, Mike >To: frers-list >Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence. = Will that=20 >count toward total? >=20 >Mike=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >-----Original Message----- >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber >Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >That's four. Who else is in? >DN >David Nauber >President >Class=E9 >=20 >C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com >B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 >Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins=20 >| youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 >This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 >Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium = (including=20 >electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without=20 >prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for = any=20 >changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in = this=20 >document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute = or imply=20 >its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 >=20 >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20 >On Behalf Of Robert Farnum >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >I'm in for a #1. >Bob >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20 >On Behalf Of Dave Nauber >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >Great. What are you looking to get? >David Nauber >President >Class=E9 >=20 >C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com >B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 >Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins=20 >| youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 >This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 >Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium = (including=20 >electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without=20 >prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for = any=20 >changes made to this message after it was sent. 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<55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com> <011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net> <676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com> <8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com> <1414417317.32996.YahooMailNeo@web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3EB300E1-6297-41FB-87EC-8604F568545B@optonline.net> <1414447951.20515.YahooMailNeo@web126102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719E02@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mike, I think it's our guy working with the guys in the CT office to agree to off= er the quantity discount so they are the ones looking for the sales. I thin= k they work out cooperation with NY but it's not likely that they will coun= t the Canadian orders. I'll plead the case though! DN David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:18 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails Dave I ordered and paid in full for a 140% heavy #1 with pentex scrim from north= sails Atlantic in nova Scotia. Convince your guy that north is north and = this is the 8th sail. I don't need the discount as I already have a good p= rice. However this easily could have been a Doyle sail so how about brand = loyalty? Mike Persistence -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of David Nauber Sent: Mon 27/10/2014 7:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 Keep in mind that it doesn't have to be a 3DL or 3Di, it can be a spinnaker= , a Dacron something, any sail... We're just one short so surely there's one of you who could use a nice new = sail. DN ________________________________ From: Arthur Kelley To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 Nice, I miscounted. Come on guys! Art On Oct 27, 2014, at 9:41 AM, David Nauber wrote: Who are you counting in your five? I thought we had one each for you, Arnie= Lesser, Bob Connell, Scott Marino and Bob Farnum plus two for me. That's s= even if all of these are confirmed. Just need one more! > > >DN > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Arthur Kelley >To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 >Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:32 PM >Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >=20 > > >Where do we stand on this deal? Last I heard I think we were at 5 out of = 8 needed. Any more jumping on board? > >Art > >On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber wrote: > > >Yes, I believe for the US guys they'll all count. Jack is away until Thurs= day so I might not hear back until then. >=20 >What are you interested in getting? >=20 >DN >=20 >David Nauber >President >Class=E9 > >C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com >B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 >Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins > >This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its cont= ents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means such as = e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior written consent.= B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any changes made to this = message after it was sent. The views expressed in this document are that of= the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement= or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 >=20 >From:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >=20 >I'minterested can we order through our local northsails loft? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hoyt, Mike >To: frers-list >Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence. Will t= hat=20 >count toward total? >=20 >Mike=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >-----Original Message----- >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber >Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >That's four. Who else is in? >DN >David Nauber >President >Class=E9 >=20 >C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com >B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 >Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins=20 >| youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 >This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 >Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including=20 >electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden with= out=20 >prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for an= y=20 >changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in thi= s=20 >document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or = imply=20 >its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 >=20 >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 >On Behalf Of Robert Farnum >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >I'm in for a #1. >Bob >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 >On Behalf Of Dave Nauber >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >Great. What are you looking to get? >David Nauber >President >Class=E9 >=20 >C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com >B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 >Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bower= s_wilkins=20 >| youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 >This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 >Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including=20 >electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden with= out=20 >prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for an= y=20 >changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in thi= s=20 >document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or = imply=20 >its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 >=20 >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr= ers33.com]=20 >On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him up w= ith=20 >Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jump in= .=20 >=20 >Art >=20 >On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: >Hi everyone, >Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new sail = orders=20 >placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to mo= tivate=20 >you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down now a= nd pay=20 >the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. >We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying two,= so=20 >surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me kn= ow if=20 >you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn our g= roup=20 >buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! >Regards, >Dave >=20 > > = From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Oct 28 13:16:46 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:16:46 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails In-Reply-To: References: <1413212131.66616.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><3CD82672-26F4-4C81-AA1D-C3DA3F02B09B@optonline.net><55b2f31f-7544-4167-a84f-009e8e2568e4@classeaudio.com><011401cfe71d$8e6e12c0$ab4a3840$@sbcglobal.net><676758689.7308.1413289595210.JavaMail.zimbra@core-aea05.mail.aol.com><8D1B5C16EEDFA23-1FA0-2880A@webmail-vm055.sysops.aol.com><1414417317.32996.YahooMailNeo@web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><3EB300E1-6297-41FB-87EC-8604F568545B@optonline.net><1414447951.20515.YahooMailNeo@web126102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5409719E02@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D541A2CEED6@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 4:45 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails Thanks Mike, I think it's our guy working with the guys in the CT office to agree to = offer the quantity discount so they are the ones looking for the sales. = I think they work out cooperation with NY but it's not likely that they = will count the Canadian orders. I'll plead the case though! DN David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 = Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. = Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including = electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept = responsibility for any changes made to this message after it was sent. = The views expressed in this document are that of the individual and may = not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by = B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:18 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails Dave I ordered and paid in full for a 140% heavy #1 with pentex scrim from = north sails Atlantic in nova Scotia. Convince your guy that north is = north and this is the 8th sail. I don't need the discount as I already = have a good price. However this easily could have been a Doyle sail so = how about brand loyalty? Mike Persistence -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of David Nauber Sent: Mon 27/10/2014 7:12 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 Keep in mind that it doesn't have to be a 3DL or 3Di, it can be a = spinnaker, a Dacron something, any sail... We're just one short so surely there's one of you who could use a nice = new sail. DN ________________________________ From: Arthur Kelley To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails =20 Nice, I miscounted. Come on guys! Art On Oct 27, 2014, at 9:41 AM, David Nauber wrote: Who are you counting in your five? I thought we had one each for you, = Arnie Lesser, Bob Connell, Scott Marino and Bob Farnum plus two for me. = That's seven if all of these are confirmed. Just need one more! > > >DN > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Arthur Kelley >To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =20 >Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:32 PM >Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >=20 > > >Where do we stand on this deal? Last I heard I think we were at 5 out = of 8 needed. Any more jumping on board? > >Art > >On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Dave Nauber = wrote: > > >Yes, I believe for the US guys they'll all count. Jack is away until = Thursday so I might not hear back until then. >=20 >What are you interested in getting? >=20 >DN >=20 >David Nauber >President >Class=E9 > >C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com >B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 >Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins > >This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publication of its = contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electronic means = such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prior = written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any = changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in = this document are that of the individual and may not necessarily = constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 >=20 >From:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of lessera@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >=20 >I'minterested can we order through our local northsails loft? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hoyt, Mike >To: frers-list >Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >I ordered a sail from north in Halifax this month for Persistence. = Will that=20 >count toward total? >=20 >Mike=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >-----Original Message----- >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber >Sent: Mon 13/10/2014 6:41 PM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >That's four. Who else is in? >DN >David Nauber >President >Class=E9 >=20 >C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com >B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 >Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins=20 >| youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 >This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 >Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium = (including=20 >electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without=20 >prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for = any=20 >changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in = this=20 >document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute = or imply=20 >its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 >=20 >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20 >On Behalf Of Robert Farnum >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:41 PM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >I'm in for a #1. >Bob >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20 >On Behalf Of Dave Nauber >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:53 PM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: RE: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >Great. What are you looking to get? >David Nauber >President >Class=E9 >=20 >C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com >B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 >Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | = twitter.com/bowers_wilkins=20 >| youtube.com/bowerswilkins >=20 >This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only.=20 >Publication of its contents in whole or in part in any medium = (including=20 >electronic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden = without=20 >prior written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for = any=20 >changes made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in = this=20 >document are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute = or imply=20 >its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 >=20 >From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]=20 >On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:02 AM >To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com >Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Fleet Deal from North Sails >I've been waiting for a quote on one. I'll chase my guy and hook him = up with=20 >Jack again. 20% is right where I feel the deal is "good enough" to jump = in.=20 >=20 >Art >=20 >On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, David Nauber wrote: >Hi everyone, >Jack Orr of North Sails has offered us a generous fleet deal for new = sail orders=20 >placed by November 10th. The deal is 20% off, which should be enough to = motivate=20 >you to buy one or two new weapons for next season. You put half down = now and pay=20 >the balance when you take delivery in the Spring. >We need to get at least 8 sails ordered to qualify and I'll be buying = two, so=20 >surely we can find another six in the whole fleet, right? Please let me = know if=20 >you're interested or definitely in for some new sails and we'll turn = our group=20 >buying power into a good deal for everyone. Thanks! >Regards, >Dave >=20 > > _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 29 13:01:14 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:01:14 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]Eighth sail and Ruddergate Message-ID: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED74194@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> --_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED74194mbx032w1co2exch03_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pachyderm has stepped up to the plate and ordered the 8th sail to close the= deal on our fleet buy. We're in for a super-fast, super-flat heavy one. Ou= r intel says Wolverine Wolverine goes straight to the #2 from the light #1,= so somewhere between 14.5 and 15 knots, those guys are toast.. I read through the rudder discussion and just had to comment on one thing. = Dave Nauber describes how in a following sea the water comes up through the= rudder tube, runs through the engine compartment where it is pumped out. A= t the Thundermug party, Kathy Nauber described how in a following sea the w= ater comes up through the rudder tube, runs through the engine compartment = where she has to go below and pump it out for the entire leg because someon= e didn't fix the auto bilge pump. Seemed like an important distinction. Jus= t sayin'. Edgar Smith Pachyderm --_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED74194mbx032w1co2exch03_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pachyderm has stepped up to the plate and ordered the 8th sail to cl= ose the deal on our fleet buy. We're in for a super-fast, super-flat heavy = one. Our intel says Wolverine Wolverine goes straight to the #2 from the light #1, so somewhere between 14.5 and 1= 5 knots, those guys are toast..

I read through the rudder discussion and just had to comment on one thing. = Dave Nauber describes how in a following sea the water comes up through the= rudder tube, runs through the engine compartment where it is pumped out. A= t the Thundermug party, Kathy Nauber described how in a following sea the water comes up through the rudder tub= e, runs through the engine compartment where she has to go below and pump i= t out for the entire leg because someone didn't fix the auto bilge pump. Se= emed like an important distinction. Just sayin'.

Edgar Smith
Pachyderm
--_000_788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED74194mbx032w1co2exch03_-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 29 20:09:24 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (David Nauber) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:09:24 -0700 Subject: [frers-list]Eighth sail and Ruddergate In-Reply-To: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED74194@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> References: <788FC37E76B1EE4791037E2F9D04F5BED74194@mbx032-w1-co-2.exch032.serverpod.net> Message-ID: <1414609764.278.YahooMailNeo@web126106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --1181703601-193378165-1414609764=:278 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very funny Edgar. Two things: First, thanks for ordering sail #8 and choosing a heavy #1. It's a "heavy" sail, so extra weight on the boat is good for us. Plus, better chance you'll have the wrong sail up at any given time. I like fewer choices so you're more likely to be using the best sail you could because you don't have an alternative. Now there will be more angst on the boat about whether you have the right sail up and maybe you won't focus on going the right way! That is my hope anyway. Second, it is true that the float switch was not working on the long downwind leg. The wire that broke must have suffered its fate as we suddenly met the trough of one of the waves upwind. Fixed now so Kathy can stay topside. DN ________________________________ From: Edgar Smith To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:01 AM Subject: [frers-list]Eighth sail and Ruddergate Pachyderm has stepped up to the plate and ordered the 8th sail to close the deal on our fleet buy. We're in for a super-fast, super-flat heavy one. Our intel says Wolverine Wolverine goes straight to the #2 from the light #1, so somewhere between 14.5 and 15 knots, those guys are toast.. I read through the rudder discussion and just had to comment on one thing. Dave Nauber describes how in a following sea the water comes up through the rudder tube, runs through the engine compartment where it is pumped out. At the Thundermug party, Kathy Nauber described how in a following sea the water comes up through the rudder tube, runs through the engine compartment where she has to go below and pump it out for the entire leg because someone didn't fix the auto bilge pump. Seemed like an important distinction. Just sayin'. Edgar Smith Pachyderm --1181703601-193378165-1414609764=:278 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Very funny Edgar. Two things:

First, thanks for ordering sail #8 and choosing a heavy #1. It's a "heavy" sail, so extra weight on the boat is good for us. Plus, better chance you'll have the wrong sail up at any given time. I like fewer choices so you're more likely to be using the best sail you could because you don't have an alternative. Now there will be more angst on the boat about whether you have the right sail up and maybe you won't focus on going the right way! That is my hope anyway.

Second, it is true that the float switch was not working on the long downwind leg. The wire that broke must have suffered its fate as we suddenly met the trough of one of the waves upwind. Fixed now so Kathy can stay topside.

DN

From: Edgar Smith <Edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:01 AM
Subject: [frers-list]Eighth sail and Ruddergate

Pachyderm has stepped up to the plate and ordered the 8th sail to close the deal on our fleet buy. We're in for a super-fast, super-flat heavy one. Our intel says Wolverine Wolverine goes straight to the #2 from the light #1, so somewhere between 14.5 and 15 knots, those guys are toast..

I read through the rudder discussion and just had to comment on one thing. Dave Nauber describes how in a following sea the water comes up through the rudder tube, runs through the engine compartment where it is pumped out. At the Thundermug party, Kathy Nauber described how in a following sea the water comes up through the rudder tube, runs through the engine compartment where she has to go below and pump it out for the entire leg because someone didn't fix the auto bilge pump. Seemed like an important distinction. Just sayin'.

Edgar Smith
Pachyderm


--1181703601-193378165-1414609764=:278-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 29 20:33:29 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:33:29 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Eighth sail and Ruddergate Message-ID: <7FA59FB7-4553-48A3-86AA-768B0D80DBD9@geomatrixproductions.com> Glad to hear Kathy will be able to get some fresh air next windy day. Don't worry about us. We'll leave it on the dock to save weight when = we're not using it. That works out doesn't it?= From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Oct 29 21:31:13 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:31:13 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Eighth sail and Ruddergate In-Reply-To: <7FA59FB7-4553-48A3-86AA-768B0D80DBD9@geomatrixproductions.com> References: <7FA59FB7-4553-48A3-86AA-768B0D80DBD9@geomatrixproductions.com> Message-ID: <915d7555-dfe6-4f35-aa0d-23e2eef4c434@classeaudio.com> Yeah, that works out great. I will never forget it because Kathy won=B4t le= t me. Can you believe it? David Nauber President Class=E9 C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=E7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3 Follow Bowers & Wilkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers= _wilkins | youtube.com/bowerswilkins This email message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. Publi= cation of its contents in whole or in part in any medium (including electro= nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is expressly forbidden without prio= r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha= nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do= cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp= ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=20 -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:33 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Eighth sail and Ruddergate Glad to hear Kathy will be able to get some fresh air next windy day. Don't worry about us. We'll leave it on the dock to save weight when we're = not using it. That works out doesn't it?___________________________________= ____________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list =