[frers-list]Rig tensions
Dave Nauber
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Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:29:45 -0400
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:05 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions
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Good luck guys, make sure you support Dave in his quest, it is all about th=
e team.
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Rod
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: October-02-14 10:01 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
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Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep =
beating us. Guess we're just old school.
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By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug re=
gatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm toge=
ther aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first =
overall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is currently tied=
for first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association ove=
rall results. Bring it on Wolverine!
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Edgar Smith
Geomatrix Productions
www.geomatrixproductions.com
edgar@geomatrixproductions.com
Work - (203) 389-0001
Fax- (203) 387-8558
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Rig tensions (Comodore2@aol.com)
2. Rig Tension (straight)
3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith)
4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave Nauber)
From: <Comodore2@aol.com>
Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
Reply-To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
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Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging.
Jack Greifzu (Slingshot)
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In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoyt@=
impgroup.com writes:
Hi
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I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings =
rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that Loos =
makes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a d=
ifferent number.
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Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for uppers=
, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if po=
ssible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge=
? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nice as w=
ell because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings as=
well. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds ....
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Thanks =20
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Mike
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From: straight <StrightR@eastlink.ca>
Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension
Reply-To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Hi Mike,
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As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. The L=
oos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging. The=
procedure is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the s=
ide) then hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropr=
iate. The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds. As =
far as I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging =
Loose gauges. The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs is=
probably a reflection of the type of sailing done, competition and local =
conditions. Info on the gauge used is available at http://loosnaples.com/=
tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge.
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I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings =
if they are used properly.
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Rod
Equinox=20
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From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>
Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions
Reply-To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
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Hi Mike:
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Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came fr=
om a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu=
ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered =
the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting u=
p the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a=
wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at t=
he dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the upp=
ers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particular=
ly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than tha=
t. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you a=
re not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a =
matter of going for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight =
under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so =
it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending =
in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze =
is really on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on =
the uppers before a race.=20
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Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do?
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Edgar Smith
Pachyderm
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From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com>
Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions
Reply-To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Wolverine uses Euler=B4s Equations to compute rig tension, but sighting up =
the mast is good too.=20
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David Nauber
President
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions
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Hi Mike:
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Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came fr=
om a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu=
ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered =
the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting u=
p the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a=
wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at t=
he dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the upp=
ers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particular=
ly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than tha=
t. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you a=
re not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a =
matter of going for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight =
under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so =
it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending =
in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze =
is really on we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on =
the uppers before a race.=20
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Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do?
=20
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Edgar Smith
Pachyderm
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rod Stright<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 02, 2014 =
9:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [=
frers-list]Rig tensions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Good luck =
guys, make sure you support Dave in his quest, it is all about the team.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-si=
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pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a href=
=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.frers=
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ers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Edgar Smith<br><b=
>Sent:</b> October-02-14 10:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:frers-lis=
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: [frers-list]Rig tensions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span lang=3DEN-CA>Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. N=
o wonder you keep beating us. Guess we're just old school.</span><span lang=
=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DE=
N-CA>By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thunderm=
ug regatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm=
together aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a f=
irst overall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is currently=
tied for first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Associatio=
n overall results. Bring it on Wolverine!<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Edgar Smith<br>Geomatrix Productions<br><a =
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pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensi=
ons</span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica","sans-serif"'>Reply-To: </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'fo=
nt-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><<a href=3D"mailto:=
frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></span><s=
pan lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'=
margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div i=
d=3D"role_body"><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Mike, Al gauges s=
hown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jack Greifzu (Slingshot=
)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA s=
tyle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DE=
N-CA style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black=
'>In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <a href=
=3D"mailto:Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com">Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com</a> writes:<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid bl=
ue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;marg=
in-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto=
;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;=
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I=
noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings r=
ather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that L=
oos makes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give=
a different number.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=3DEN-CA style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Would it be possible to replay with not only the nu=
mbers you use for uppers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension=
gauge numbers but if possible also the translated pounds value and the mod=
el of your tension gauge? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in=
each that would be nice as well because if it differs from boat to boat it=
would affect the readings as well. Our former J boat rig tuning guid=
e was ion pounds ….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=3DEN-=
CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><=
span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
/blockquote></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'=
><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","san=
s-serif"'>From: </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;fon=
t-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>straight <<a href=3D"mailto:StrightR@=
eastlink.ca">StrightR@eastlink.ca</a>></span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=
=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Date: </span></b=
><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans=
-serif"'>October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT</span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'=
font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span=
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif=
"'><<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.fre=
rs33.com</a>></span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-f=
amily:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension</span></b>=
<span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b=
><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans=
-serif"'>Reply-To: </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;=
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@list=
s.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></span><span lang=3DEN-C=
A><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:1=
2.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-CA><br><br></span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Hi Mike,</span><span la=
ng=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA> <o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>As I mentioned previou=
sly the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. The Loos Gauge require=
d is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging. The procedure i=
s to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the side) then ho=
ok on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate. =
The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds. As fa=
r as I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Lo=
ose gauges. The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs=
is probably a reflection of the type of sailing done, competition an=
d local conditions. Info on the gauge used is available at <a h=
ref=3D"http://loosnaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge">http://loosn=
aples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging w=
ill give the same readings if they are used properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Rod<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Equinox <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:=
13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span lang=3D=
EN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Edgar=
Smith <<a href=3D"mailto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatri=
xproductions.com</a>></span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5p=
t;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Date: </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA=
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>October 1,=
2014 11:04:25 AM EDT</span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;f=
ont-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA styl=
e=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><<a href=3D"=
mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></=
span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif"'>Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions</span></b><span lang=3DEN-C=
A><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-=
CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Reply-To=
: </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helv=
etica","sans-serif"'><<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">fr=
ers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=
=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-CA>Hi Mike:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I=
also came from a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually=
easier to tune. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide =
and centered the mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter =
of sighting up the mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few=
turns with a wrench after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the m=
ast in column at the dock keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit l=
ooser than the uppers. The goal is tight enough that the leeward upper=
does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don't see any value i=
n more tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swept back by more th=
an an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast bend with them.=
So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making some adjustmen=
ts to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight - minimal bac=
kstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, hooking, falli=
ng off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge.=
Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two turns on the headstay=
and one extra turn on the uppers before a race. <o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Does anybody take a=
more scientific approach than we do?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span lang=3DEN-CA style=
=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Edgar Smith</span>=
</span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span la=
ng=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Pa=
chyderm</span></span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><=
/div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-CA=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-C=
A style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>From: </s=
pan></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica=
","sans-serif"'>Dave Nauber <<a href=3D"mailto:dnauber@classeaudio.com">=
dnauber@classeaudio.com</a>></span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-siz=
e:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Date: </span></b><span lang=
=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Oc=
tober 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT</span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:=
13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span lang=3DEN=
-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><<a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</=
a>></span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica","sans-serif"'>Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions</span></b><sp=
an lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><s=
pan lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-se=
rif"'>Reply-To: </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;fon=
t-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.f=
rers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></span><span lang=3DEN-CA><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0=
pt'><span lang=3DEN-CA><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D'>Wolverine uses Euler’s Equations to compute rig tension, b=
ut sighting up the mast is good too. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
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amily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><di=
v><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0i=
n 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@list=
s.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:fr=
ers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=
</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Edgar Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 01=
, 2014 11:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.co=
m">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [frers-list]Rig tens=
ions</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Mike:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sounds like you'll be =
racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I thin=
k you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the foresta=
y length and rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocki=
ng. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under=
sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tig=
ht. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping t=
he intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goa=
l is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in =
moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Because t=
he shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not contr=
olling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of go=
ing for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. =
I sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier=
to judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I=
haven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on=
we might take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers b=
efore a race. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Does anybody take a more scient=
ific approach than we do?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Edgar Smith</span=
></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bott=
om:12.0pt'><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;f=
ont-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Pachyderm</span></span><span=
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-CA><br><br>______________________=
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.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div=
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