[frers-list]Rig tensions
Arthur Kelley
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Dave, I wouldn't be worried. Like cooks with broth, I hear too many captains=
spoil the tactics. I wish I could hear the arguments about when to tack!
Good luck to all of you.
Art
> On Oct 2, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com> wrote:
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> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr=
ers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:01 AM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
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> Damn Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep=
beating us. Guess we're just old school.
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> By the way, we've put together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug r=
egatta. We've got the captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm toge=
ther aboard Pachyderm to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first o=
verall in ECSA. For those outside of our area, Wolverine is currently tied f=
or first place against in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association overal=
l results. Bring it on Wolverine!
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> 1. Re: Rig tensions (Comodore2@aol.com)
> 2. Rig Tension (straight)
> 3. Rig tensions (Edgar Smith)
> 4. RE: Rig tensions (Dave Nauber)
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> From: <Comodore2@aol.com>
> Date: October 1, 2014 8:32:44 AM EDT
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
> Reply-To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
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> Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD rigging.
> Jack Greifzu (Slingshot)
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> In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Hoyt=
@impgroup.com writes:
> Hi
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> I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings=
rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that Loos m=
akes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a dif=
ferent number.
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> Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for upper=
s, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if po=
ssible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge?=
If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nice as wel=
l because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings as we=
ll. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds =E2=80=A6.
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> Mike
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> From: straight <StrightR@eastlink.ca>
> Date: October 1, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Subject: [frers-list]Rig Tension
> Reply-To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
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> Hi Mike,
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> As I mentioned previously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. The L=
oos Gauge required is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging. The p=
rocedure is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the side=
) then hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate=
. The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds. As far a=
s I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Loose g=
auges. The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs is probabl=
y a reflection of the type of sailing done, competition and local condition=
s. Info on the gauge used is available at http://loosnaples.com/tension-ga=
uges/rod-rigging-gauge.
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> I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging will give the same readings=
if they are used properly.
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> Rod
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> From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>
> Date: October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM EDT
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions
> Reply-To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
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> Hi Mike:
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> Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came f=
rom a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu=
ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered t=
he mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up t=
he mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wre=
nch after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the do=
ck keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. T=
he goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slac=
k in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Becau=
se the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not co=
ntrolling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of g=
oing for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I=
sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier t=
o judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I ha=
ven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we m=
ight take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a=
race.=20
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> Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do?
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> Edgar Smith
> Pachyderm
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> From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com>
> Date: October 1, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rig tensions
> Reply-To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
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> Wolverine uses Euler=E2=80=99s Equations to compute rig tension, but sight=
ing up the mast is good too.
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> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr=
ers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions
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> Hi Mike:
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> Sounds like you'll be racing your boat, always good to hear. I also came f=
rom a J-boat and I think you'll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tu=
ne. We got the forestay length and rake from the tuning guide and centered t=
he mast before blocking. Then the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up t=
he mast while under sail. First we tension the uppers a few turns with a wre=
nch after hand tight. Then I work down, keeping the mast in column at the do=
ck keeping the intermediates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. T=
he goal is tight enough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slac=
k in moderate breeze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Becau=
se the shrouds are not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not co=
ntrolling fore and aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of g=
oing for a sail and making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I=
sight with mast straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier t=
o judge if the mast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I ha=
ven't seen the need for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we m=
ight take two turns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a=
race.=20
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> Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do?
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> Edgar Smith
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r the arguments about when to tack!<br><br>Good luck to all of you.<br><br>A=
rt</div><div><br>On Oct 2, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Dave Nauber <<a href=3D"mail=
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quot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-adm=
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</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dam=
n Dave, we've been relying on Archimedes' principle. No wonder you keep beat=
ing us. Guess we're just old school.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">By the way, we've p=
ut together a Frers 33 super-group for the Thundermug regatta. We've got the=
captains of First Edition, Risoluto and Pachyderm together aboard Pachyderm=
to see if we can screw up Dave's chances for a first overall in ECSA. For t=
hose outside of our area, Wolverine is currently tied for first place agains=
t in the Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association overall results. Bring it o=
n Wolverine!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Edgar Smith<br>Geomatrix Productions<br><a href=3D=
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o:p></p><div id=3D"role_body"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
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ck">Mike, Al gauges shown are for wire rigging. Frers 33 has ROD riggin=
g.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:bla=
ck">Jack Greifzu (Slingshot)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","=
sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial=
","sans-serif";color:black">In a message dated 9/30/2014 9:41=
:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <a href=3D"mailto:Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com">Mi=
ke.Hoyt@impgroup.com</a> writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote styl=
e=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;marg=
in-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span styl=
e=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" sty=
le=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I noticed on t=
he tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings rather than the=
translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that Loos makes sever=
al models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a different num=
ber.</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span=
lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=3D"color:#1=
F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-=
alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F4=
97D">Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for up=
pers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if=
possible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gau=
ge? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nic=
e as well because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readin=
gs as well. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds =E2=80=A6=
.</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=3D"color:#1F49=
7D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt=
:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497=
D">Thanks </span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=
=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D=
"color:#1F497D">Mike</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bot=
tom:12.0pt"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif&quo=
t;">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helve=
tica","sans-serif"">straight <<a href=3D"mailto:StrightR@e=
astlink.ca">StrightR@eastlink.ca</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helv=
etica","sans-serif"">Date: </span></b><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">October 1=
, 2014 8:57:12 AM EDT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","=
sans-serif"">To: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family=
:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><<a href=3D"mailto:frers-l=
ist@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;fo=
nt-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Subject: [frers-list=
]Rig Tension</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-=
serif"">Reply-To: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-famil=
y:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><<a href=3D"mailto:frers-=
list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></span><o:p></o:=
p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Hi Mike,</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"> <o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">As I mentioned p=
reviously the Frers 33 is equipped with Rod Rigging. The Loos Gauge re=
quired is one that is made and calibrated for Rod Rigging. The procedu=
re is to measure the rod on the instrument (calibration is on the side) then=
hook on the guage and check the rig tension and adjust as appropriate. =
; The numbers are a lot simpler to keep track of than the pounds. As f=
ar as I know the readings are similar if not identical on all Rod Rigging Lo=
ose gauges. The reason for the variation in tension on different rigs i=
s probably a reflection of the type of sailing done, competition and l=
ocal conditions. Info on the gauge used is available at <a href=3D=
"http://loosnaples.com/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge">http://loosnaples.c=
om/tension-gauges/rod-rigging-gauge</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I believe all Loos Gauges made for rod rigging wil=
l give the same readings if they are used properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Rod<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Equinox <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helve=
tica","sans-serif"">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Edgar Smit=
h <<a href=3D"mailto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatrixprodu=
ctions.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b=
><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","san=
s-serif"">Date: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:=
"Helvetica","sans-serif"">October 1, 2014 11:04:25 AM ED=
T</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">To=
: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&quo=
t;,"sans-serif""><<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.co=
m">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helv=
etica","sans-serif"">Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions</span>=
</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-=
size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Reply-=
To: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&q=
uot;,"sans-serif""><<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.=
com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Mike:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sounds like you'll be racin=
g your boat, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'=
ll find the Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay lengt=
h and rake from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then=
the shrouds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. Fi=
rst we tension the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tight. T=
hen I work down, keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping the intermed=
iates and lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight e=
nough that the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderate bree=
ze. I don't see any value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds are=
not swept back by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore and=
aft mast bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a sail a=
nd making some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast=
straight - minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the m=
ast is, hooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the n=
eed for a Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two t=
urns on the headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a race. <o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Does anybody take a more scientific approach than w=
e do?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-=
family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Edgar Smith</span></span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"apple-style-=
span"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","=
sans-serif"">Pachyderm</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;fon=
t-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><br></span><o:p></o=
:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p=
t"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font=
-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica"=
;,"sans-serif"">Dave Nauber <<a href=3D"mailto:dnauber@classeau=
dio.com">dnauber@classeaudio.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helv=
etica","sans-serif"">Date: </span></b><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">October 1=
, 2014 11:14:07 AM EDT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","=
;sans-serif"">To: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-famil=
y:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><<a href=3D"mailto:frers-=
list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></span><o:p></o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;f=
ont-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Subject: RE: [frers=
-list]Rig tensions</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","=
;sans-serif"">Reply-To: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font=
-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><<a href=3D"mailto:=
frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>></span><o:=
p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Wolverine uses Euler=E2=80=99s E=
quations to compute rig tension, but sighting up the mast is good too. </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","san=
s-serif";color:gray">David Nauber</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray"><br><=
/span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","=
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t;,"sans-serif";color:gray"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">C: 8=
60-301-7011 | <a href=3D"http://classeaudio.com">classeaudio.com</a><br>B&am=
p;W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=C3=A7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3</span>=
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t;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">&nbs=
p;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C=
4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",&q=
uot;sans-serif""> <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"=
>frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@=
lists.frers33.com">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] <b>On Beha=
lf Of </b>Edgar Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:04 AM<b=
r><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@list=
s.frers33.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [frers-list]Rig tensions</span><o:p></o=
:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">Hi Mike:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sounds like you'll be racing your bo=
at, always good to hear. I also came from a J-boat and I think you'll find t=
he Frers mast is actually easier to tune. We got the forestay length and rak=
e from the tuning guide and centered the mast before blocking. Then the shro=
uds were just a matter of sighting up the mast while under sail. First we te=
nsion the uppers a few turns with a wrench after hand tight. Then I wor=
k down, keeping the mast in column at the dock keeping the intermediates and=
lowers both a bit looser than the uppers. The goal is tight enough tha=
t the leeward upper does not go particularly slack in moderate breeze. I don=
't see any value in more tension than that. Because the shrouds are not swep=
t back by more than an few inches, you are not controlling fore and aft mast=
bend with them. So it's really just a matter of going for a sail and making=
some adjustments to keep it straight under load. I sight with mast straight=
- minimal backstay and runner on so it is easier to judge if the mast is, h=
ooking, falling off or just bending in column. I haven't seen the need for a=
Loos gauge. Finally if the breeze is really on we might take two turns on t=
he headstay and one extra turn on the uppers before a race. <o:p></o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Does anybody take a more scientific approach than we do?<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&=
quot;Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Edgar Smith</span></s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"apple-st=
yle-span"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",&q=
uot;sans-serif";color:black">Pachyderm</span></span><span style=3D"font=
-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:bl=
ack"><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br>_________________________________=
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