[frers-list]Rig tensions

[Hoyt, Mike]

Any thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod slightly
shorter with longer thread on stud?  Second option to simply remove the
forestay and replace with wire of appropriate length and  with
appropriate length thread.  Third option is sell the furling unit and
buy a new forestay and more modern harken furler that has a proper
turnbuckle system

Downside is that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have roller
furling.  Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the furling system
and replace with tuff luff

Mike



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The mast remains upright.

Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay.

Yes, someone goes up the mast.  After the bottom pin is removed, the
person up high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling
headstay to a person on the ground using another one of the halyards.
Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top
pin.  Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down.  Tune up and go racing.
Reverse the process for cruising.

The job is quickly and easily done with three people.  Less quick but
still easy with two people.


> On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)"
<Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:
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> Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is
down? Or is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I
assume an actual head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the mast?
> Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton
> F36 owner with the same problem
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> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM
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> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
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> Mike,
> Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her.  I
had the same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads and
not being able to tighten any further.  The boat did not point well and
I was never able to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air.
> In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay
with a twin foil.  The boat was instantly faster and pointed much
higher.  I regret not making the change sooner.
> If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling
headstay, you can swap them out in less than an hour.  This gives you
the chance to change from racing to cruising mode in a very short time.=20
> Scott
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>> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
wrote:
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>> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at=20
>> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers.  The

>> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a=20
>> Harken
>> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system.  With this system the furler itself is the

>> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on the

>> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads.  When I

>> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would=20
>> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize.  I believe this is because there=20
>> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the
rod.
>> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay had

>> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns.
>> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and=20
>> then reattached.  This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. =20
>> Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed
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>> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt placement

>> and mast rake.  What is the typical measurement for mast rake?  On=20
>> our
>> J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the=20
>> main halyard and mast at cabin top.
>>=20
>> Mike
>> Persistence
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