[frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #816 - 8 msgs
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Hi all from Lake Michigan=20
My frers 33 came rigged with the downhaul led from a pole bridle to a doubl=
e sheave shackled to an adjustable car on a track in the center of the fore=
deck.=C2=A0It is a double ended line that returns aft inboard=C2=A0of the t=
eak grab rails on the cabin top. Its terminated in cam cleats located at th=
e same level on the side of the cabin top. The up-haul is led aft to the po=
rt side through=C2=A0 a clutch. We use an end for end jibe as I am a bit he=
sitant to send crew forward to lean on the bow pulpit as it is somewhat und=
er-supported with only three bolts to the deck.=C2=A0 The system installed =
when we bought the boat has worked quite well for us.=20
=C2=A0=20
Frank Wittosch=20
Pepperke 2.0=20
Lake Michigan contingent.=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0=20
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=C2=A0=C2=A0 1. Pole downhaul (Hoyt, Mike)=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Re: Pole downhaul (John Rimel)=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 3. RE: Pole downhaul (Rod Stright)=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 4. RE: Pole downhaul (Dave Nauber)=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 5. Re: Pole downhaul (Bill Thompson)=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 6. RE: Pole downhaul (Dave Nauber)=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 7. An observation (GENE BOSHES)=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 8. RE: Pole downhaul (Hoyt, Mike)=20
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Message: 1=20
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:25:49 -0300=20
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>=20
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Hi all=20
Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20
pole up on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from whic=
h=20
crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop=20
beside pole up. =C2=A0Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0=
Also=20
has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck=20
hatch?=20
My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that=20
move between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam cleat=
s=20
on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20
Mike=20
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Message: 2=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
From: John Rimel <jrimel@mtnpress.com>=20
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:58:12 -0600=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
I crew for a friend on his Frers 30 and it=3D92s rigged as you describe, =
=3D=20
with the down haul on the side of the cabin and pole up haul in a clutch =
=3D=20
on the cabin top. I=3D92m usually doing foredeck these days, and hadn=3D92t=
=3D=20
really given it much thought, but my concern about having them both on =3D=
=20
the cabin top near each other might be that crew might accidentally trip =
=3D=20
the wrong one, which depending on the circumstances . . . well let=3D92s =
=3D=20
just say it might not be pretty and lead to swearing all around. . . .=3D20=
=3D=20
John Rimel=20
Missoula, MT=20
On Oct 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:=20
> Hi all=20
>=3D20=20
> Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20
> pole up on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from =
=3D=20
which=20
> crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop=20
> beside pole up. =C2=A0Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=
=A0Also=20
> has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of =3D=20
foredeck=20
> hatch?=20
>=3D20=20
> My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that=20
> move between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam =3D=
=20
cleats=20
> on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20
>=3D20=20
> Mike=20
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Message: 3=20
From: Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca>=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:11:02 -0300=20
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the genoa=
=20
cars located in the same area as the pole down. =C2=A0Up haul is on the coa=
ch=20
roof, no problem.=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike=20
Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
Hi all=20
Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and pole u=
p=20
on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from which crew w=
ill=20
often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pole up.=
=20
Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0Also has anyone moved =
pole=20
down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?=20
My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that move=
=20
between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam cleats on =
side=20
of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20
Mike=20
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Message: 4=20
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:05:06 -0400=20
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com>=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
I prefer it on the sides of the cabin top so it can be reached and eased by=
=3D=20
=C2=A0the person trimming the guy on either side of the boat. Also, I'd be =
caref=3D=20
ul moving the padeye to aft of the hatch as it doesn't allow the guy to pul=
=3D=20
l as straight down and therefore may require a lot more load to keep the po=
=3D=20
le from bouncing or it might not be possible to avoid it. It may also limit=
=3D=20
=C2=A0your freedom to open the hatch for a launch or takedown.=20
DN=20
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President=20
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-----Original Message-----=20
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
=3D=20
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:26 PM=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
Hi all=20
Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and pole u=
=3D=20
p on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from which crew=
will=3D=20
=C2=A0often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pol=
e up.=3D=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0Also has a=
nyone moved pol=3D=20
e down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?=20
My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that move=
=3D=20
=C2=A0between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam clea=
ts on side=3D=20
=C2=A0of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20
Mike=20
_______________________________________________=20
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http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20
=3D=20
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Message: 5=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
From: Bill Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>=20
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:12:27 -0400=20
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping lift=
(pole up) in cabin top clutch.=20
I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on the r=
ail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on a ra=
il under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.=20
It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the win=
dward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works becaus=
e there is so much action with a chute flying.=20
In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of cockpit/cabin=
bulkhead...=20
We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the moment=
another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to avo=
id confusion.=20
Bill Thompson=20
d'Ad Lib=20
Montreal=20
514 942-6709=20
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:=20
>=20
> I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the gen=
oa=20
> cars located in the same area as the pole down. =C2=A0Up haul is on the c=
oach=20
> roof, no problem.=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike=20
> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM=20
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
>=20
> Hi all=20
>=20
> Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and pole=
up=20
> on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from which crew=
will=20
> often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pole up=
.=20
> Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0Also has anyone move=
d pole=20
> down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?=20
>=20
> My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that mo=
ve=20
> between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam cleats o=
n side=20
> of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20
>=20
> Mike=20
> _______________________________________________=20
> frers-list mailing list=20
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20
>=20
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Message: 6=20
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:21:16 -0400=20
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com>=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the downhaul,=
=3D=20
=C2=A0by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, so that =
perso=3D=20
n normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as needed. There are tim=
=3D=20
es where this person is called to another duty so in those cases the main t=
=3D=20
rimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it up.=20
David Nauber=20
President=20
Class=3DE9=20
C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com=20
B&W Group Canada | 5070 Fran=3DE7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3=20
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=3D=20
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=3D=20
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=3D=20
r written consent. B&W Group Ltd does not accept responsibility for any cha=
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nges made to this message after it was sent. The views expressed in this do=
=3D=20
cument are that of the individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp=
=3D=20
ly its endorsement or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=3D20=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
=3D=20
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping lift=
=3D=20
=C2=A0(pole up) in cabin top clutch.=20
I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on the r=
=3D=20
ail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on a ra=
=3D=20
il under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.=20
It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the win=
=3D=20
dward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works becaus=
=3D=20
e there is so much action with a chute flying.=20
In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of cockpit/cabin=
=3D=20
=C2=A0bulkhead...=20
We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the moment=
=3D=20
=C2=A0another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned t=
o avo=3D=20
id confusion.=20
Bill Thompson=20
d'Ad Lib=20
Montreal=20
514 942-6709=20
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:=20
>=3D20=20
> I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=3D2=
0=20
> genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. =C2=A0Up haul is on=
=3D20=20
> the coach roof, no problem.=20
>=3D20=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike=20
> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM=20
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
>=3D20=20
> Hi all=20
>=3D20=20
> Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=3D20=
=20
> pole up on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from=3D=
20=20
> which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabinto=
=3D=20
p beside pole up.=20
> Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0Also has anyone move=
d=3D20=20
> pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?=20
>=3D20=20
> My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that=3D=
20=20
> move between boats where possible. =C2=A0Also want to free up the cam=3D2=
0=20
> cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters=20
>=3D20=20
> Mike=20
> _______________________________________________=20
> frers-list mailing list=20
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=20
>=3D20=20
> _______________________________________________=20
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Message: 7=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
From: GENE BOSHES <gboshes27@aol.com>=20
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:38:03 -0400=20
Subject: [frers-list]An observation=20
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Message: 8=20
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul=20
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:50:51 -0300=20
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>=20
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
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Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense. =C2=A0Have always had pit =3D=
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I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping =3D=
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lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch.=20
I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on =3D=
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the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight =
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on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.=20
It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the =3D=
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windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works =3D=
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because there is so much action with a chute flying.=20
In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of =3D=20
cockpit/cabin bulkhead...=20
We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the =3D=20
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> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:=20
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> I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=3D2=
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> genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. =C2=A0Up haul is on=
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> Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=3D20=
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> pole up on a clutch on cabintop. =C2=A0Most boats we sail on (and from=3D=
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> which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on =3D=20
cabintop beside pole up.=20
> Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? =C2=A0Also has anyone move=
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lor: #000000"><DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">Hi all from Lake Michigan<BR=
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<DIV>My frers 33 came rigged with the downhaul led from a pole bridle to a =
double sheave shackled to an adjustable car on a track in the center of the=
foredeck. It is a double ended line that returns aft inboard of =
the teak grab rails on the cabin top. Its terminated in cam cleats located =
at the same level on the side of the cabin top. The up-haul is led aft to t=
he port side through a clutch. We use an end for end jibe as I am a b=
it hesitant to send crew forward to lean on the bow pulpit as it is somewha=
t under-supported with only three bolts to the deck. The system insta=
lled when we bought the boat has worked quite well for us.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frank Wittosch</DIV>
<DIV>Pepperke 2.0 </DIV>
<DIV>Lake Michigan contingent. </DIV>
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. Re: Pole downhaul (John Rimel)<BR> 3. RE: Pole downhaul (Rod =
Stright)<BR> 4. RE: Pole downhaul (Dave Nauber)<BR> =
5. Re: Pole downhaul (Bill Thompson)<BR> 6. RE: Pole downhaul =
(Dave Nauber)<BR> 7. An observation (GENE BOSHES)<BR> &nbs=
p; 8. RE: Pole downhaul (Hoyt, Mike)<BR>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Message: 1<BR>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:25:49 -0300<BR>From:=
"Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com><BR>To: <frers-list@lists.fr=
ers33.com><BR>Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>Reply-To: frers-list=
@lists.frers33.com<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi all<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabi=
ntop and<BR>pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (a=
nd from which<BR>crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch o=
n cabintop<BR>beside pole up. Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a =
clutch? Also<BR>has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to ju=
st aft of foredeck<BR>hatch?<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to =
crews that<BR>move between boats where possible. Also want to free up=
the cam cleats<BR>on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Mike<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>--__--__--<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Message: 2<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>From=
: John Rimel <jrimel@mtnpress.com><BR>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:58:12=
-0600<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.fr=
ers33.com<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I crew for a friend on his Frers 30 and it=3D92s rigged as y=
ou describe, =3D<BR>with the down haul on the side of the cabin and pole up=
haul in a clutch =3D<BR>on the cabin top. I=3D92m usually doing foredeck t=
hese days, and hadn=3D92t =3D<BR>really given it much thought, but my conce=
rn about having them both on =3D<BR>the cabin top near each other might be =
that crew might accidentally trip =3D<BR>the wrong one, which depending on =
the circumstances . . . well let=3D92s =3D<BR>just say it might not be pret=
ty and lead to swearing all around. . . .=3D20=3D<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>John Rimel<BR>Missoula, MT<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>On Oct 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgro=
up.com> wrote:<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> Hi all<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Persistence currently rigge=
d with pole down on sides of cabintop and<BR>> pole up on a clutch on ca=
bintop. Most boats we sail on (and from =3D<BR>which<BR>> crew wil=
l often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabintop<BR>> beside=
pole up. Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also<B=
R>> has anyone moved pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of =3D<B=
R>foredeck<BR>> hatch?<BR>>=3D20<BR>> My goal is to have boat rigg=
ed in a way that is familiar to crews that<BR>> move between boats where=
possible. Also want to free up the cam =3D<BR>cleats<BR>> on side=
of coachroof for my jib car adjusters<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Mike<BR>> __=
_____________________________________________<BR>> frers-list mailing li=
st<BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> http://lists.frers33.com/ma=
ilman/listinfo/frers-list<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>--__--__--<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Message: 3<BR>From: Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca>=
<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downh=
aul<BR>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:11:02 -0300<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.=
frers33.com<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleat=
s for the genoa<BR>cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up=
haul is on the coach<BR>roof, no problem.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: frers-list-admin@lists.f=
rers33.com<BR>[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt=
, Mike<BR>Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<B=
R>Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi all<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabi=
ntop and pole up<BR>on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (a=
nd from which crew will<BR>often be coming) have pole down also on clutch o=
n cabintop beside pole up.<BR>Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch=
? Also has anyone moved pole<BR>down padeye from foredeck to just aft=
of foredeck hatch?<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to =
crews that move<BR>between boats where possible. Also want to free up=
the cam cleats on side<BR>of coachroof for my jib car adjusters<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Mike<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>f=
rers-list mailing list<BR>frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>http://lists.frer=
s33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>--__--__--<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Message: 4<BR>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:05:06 -0400<BR>Subje=
ct: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeau=
dio.com><BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lis=
ts.frers33.com<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I prefer it on the sides of the cabin top so it can be reach=
ed and eased by=3D<BR> the person trimming the guy on either side of t=
he boat. Also, I'd be caref=3D<BR>ul moving the padeye to aft of the hatch =
as it doesn't allow the guy to pul=3D<BR>l as straight down and therefore m=
ay require a lot more load to keep the po=3D<BR>le from bouncing or it migh=
t not be possible to avoid it. It may also limit=3D<BR> your freedom t=
o open the hatch for a launch or takedown.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>DN<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>David Nauber<BR>President<BR>Class=3DE9<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com<BR>B&W Group Canada | =
5070 Fran=3DE7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3<BR>Follow Bowers & Wi=
lkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers=3D<BR>_wilkins | =
youtube.com/bowerswilkins<BR>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D<BR>rs33.com] On Behalf=
Of Hoyt, Mike<BR>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:26 PM<BR>To: frers-li=
st@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi all<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabi=
ntop and pole u=3D<BR>p on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail o=
n (and from which crew will=3D<BR> often be coming) have pole down als=
o on clutch on cabintop beside pole up.=3D<BR> Has anyone rerout=
ed the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved pol=3D<BR>e down =
padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to =
crews that move=3D<BR> between boats where possible. Also want t=
o free up the cam cleats on side=3D<BR> of coachroof for my jib car ad=
justers<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Mike<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>f=
rers-list mailing list<BR>frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>http://lists.frer=
s33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<BR>=3D<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>--__--__--<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Message: 5<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>From=
: Bill Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca><BR>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:=
12:27 -0400<BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frer=
s33.com><BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, a=
nd topping lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to s=
omeone on the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have=
weight on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companion=
way, so the windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort =
of works because there is so much action with a chute flying.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft o=
f cockpit/cabin bulkhead...<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, thoug=
h at the moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be po=
sitioned to avoid confusion.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Bill Thompson<BR>d'Ad Lib<BR>Montreal<BR>514 942-6709<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@e=
astlink.ca> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> I have the downhaul on each side and=
also have the cam cleats for the genoa<BR>> cars located in the same ar=
ea as the pole down. Up haul is on the coach<BR>> roof, no problem=
.<BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: frers-list-admi=
n@lists.frers33.com<BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On =
Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike<BR>> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM<BR>> To: frers-=
list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>> <=
BR>> Hi all<BR>> <BR>> Persistence currently rigged with pole down=
on sides of cabintop and pole up<BR>> on a clutch on cabintop. Mo=
st boats we sail on (and from which crew will<BR>> often be coming) have=
pole down also on clutch on cabintop beside pole up.<BR>> Has anyone re=
routed the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved pole<BR>> =
down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?<BR>> <BR>> M=
y goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that move<=
BR>> between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam cl=
eats on side<BR>> of coachroof for my jib car adjusters<BR>> <BR>>=
Mike<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> frers=
-list mailing list<BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> http://list=
s.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<BR>> <BR>> ________________=
_______________________________<BR>> frers-list mailing list<BR>> fre=
rs-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo=
/frers-list<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>--__--__--<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Message: 6<BR>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:21:16 -0400<BR>Subje=
ct: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>From: Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeau=
dio.com><BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lis=
ts.frers33.com<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjus=
t the downhaul,=3D<BR> by definition, you have someone adjusting the s=
pinnaker guy, so that perso=3D<BR>n normally would reach forward and ease o=
r tighten as needed. There are tim=3D<BR>es where this person is called to =
another duty so in those cases the main t=3D<BR>rimmer makes the adjustment=
, usually to snug it up.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>David Nauber<BR>President<BR>Class=3DE9<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com<BR>B&W Group Canada | =
5070 Fran=3DE7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3<BR>Follow Bowers & Wi=
lkins on: facebook.com/bowerswilkins | twitter.com/bowers=3D<BR>_wilkins | =
youtube.com/bowerswilkins<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>This email message is confidential and for use by the addres=
see only. Publi=3D<BR>cation of its contents in whole or in part in any med=
ium (including electro=3D<BR>nic means such as e-mail and web-sites) is exp=
ressly forbidden without prio=3D<BR>r written consent. B&W Group Ltd do=
es not accept responsibility for any cha=3D<BR>nges made to this message af=
ter it was sent. The views expressed in this do=3D<BR>cument are that of th=
e individual and may not necessarily constitute or imp=3D<BR>ly its endorse=
ment or recommendation by B&W Group Ltd.=3D20<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D<BR>rs33.com] On Behalf=
Of Bill Thompson<BR>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM<BR>To: frers=
-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, a=
nd topping lift=3D<BR> (pole up) in cabin top clutch.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to s=
omeone on the r=3D<BR>ail, which has never happened, mostly because we rare=
ly have weight on a ra=3D<BR>il under spi, & when we do, not that far a=
ft.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companion=
way, so the win=3D<BR>dward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - onl=
y sort of works becaus=3D<BR>e there is so much action with a chute flying.=
<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft o=
f cockpit/cabin=3D<BR> bulkhead...<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, thoug=
h at the moment=3D<BR> another cabin top clutch seems better - just me=
eds to be positioned to avo=3D<BR>id confusion.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Bill Thompson<BR>d'Ad Lib<BR>Montreal<BR>514 942-6709<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@e=
astlink.ca> wrote:<BR>>=3D20<BR>> I have the downhaul on each side=
and also have the cam cleats for the=3D20<BR>> genoa cars located in th=
e same area as the pole down. Up haul is on=3D20<BR>> the coach ro=
of, no problem.<BR>>=3D20<BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> Fro=
m: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com<BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@list=
s.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike<BR>> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM<=
BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> Subject: [frers-list]Pole =
downhaul<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Hi all<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Persistence curre=
ntly rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=3D20<BR>> pole up on=
a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from=3D20<BR>> w=
hich crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabinto=3D=
<BR>p beside pole up.<BR>> Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch=
? Also has anyone moved=3D20<BR>> pole down padeye from foredeck t=
o just aft of foredeck hatch?<BR>>=3D20<BR>> My goal is to have boat =
rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that=3D20<BR>> move between bo=
ats where possible. Also want to free up the cam=3D20<BR>> cleats =
on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Mike<BR>=
> _______________________________________________<BR>> frers-list mai=
ling list<BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> http://lists.frers33=
.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<BR>>=3D20<BR>> _____________________=
__________________________<BR>> frers-list mailing list<BR>> frers-li=
st@lists.frers33.com<BR>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frer=
s-list<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>frers-list mai=
ling list<BR>frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>http://lists.frers33.com/mailm=
an/listinfo/frers-list<BR>=3D<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>--__--__--<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Message: 7<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>From: GENE=
BOSHES <gboshes27@aol.com><BR>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:38:03 -0400<=
BR>Subject: [frers-list]An observation<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers3=
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Message: 8<BR>Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>Date=
: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:50:51 -0300<BR>From: "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgr=
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense. Have alw=
ays had pit =3D<BR>person do the downhaul and work with guy trimmer. =
I think I like this =3D<BR>option even though the other boats C&C 99 an=
d C&C 115 have on cabin top =3D<BR>port side beside pole down.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber<BR>Sent: Wed 15/10/2014 6:21 PM<BR>=
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<=
BR>=3D20<BR>I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust t=
he =3D<BR>downhaul, by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker=
guy, =3D<BR>so that person normally would reach forward and ease or tighte=
n as =3D<BR>needed. There are times where this person is called to another =
duty so =3D<BR>in those cases the main trimmer makes the adjustment, usuall=
y to snug it =3D<BR>up.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>David Nauber<BR>President<BR>Class=3DE9<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>C: 860-301-7011 | classeaudio.com<BR>B&W Group Canada | =
5070 Fran=3DE7ois Cusson | Lachine | QC | H8T 1B3<BR>Follow Bowers & Wi=
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<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com =3D<BR>[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf=
Of Bill Thompson<BR>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM<BR>To: frers=
-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, a=
nd topping =3D<BR>lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to s=
omeone on =3D<BR>the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rare=
ly have weight =3D<BR>on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far a=
ft.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companion=
way, so the =3D<BR>windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - onl=
y sort of works =3D<BR>because there is so much action with a chute flying.=
<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft o=
f =3D<BR>cockpit/cabin bulkhead...<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, thoug=
h at the =3D<BR>moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds t=
o be =3D<BR>positioned to avoid confusion.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Bill Thompson<BR>d'Ad Lib<BR>Montreal<BR>514 942-6709<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@e=
astlink.ca> wrote:<BR>>=3D20<BR>> I have the downhaul on each side=
and also have the cam cleats for the=3D20<BR>> genoa cars located in th=
e same area as the pole down. Up haul is on=3D20<BR>> the coach ro=
of, no problem.<BR>>=3D20<BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> Fro=
m: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com<BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@list=
s.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike<BR>> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM<=
BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> Subject: [frers-list]Pole =
downhaul<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Hi all<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Persistence curre=
ntly rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=3D20<BR>> pole up on=
a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from=3D20<BR>> w=
hich crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on =3D<BR>cab=
intop beside pole up.<BR>> Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch=
? Also has anyone moved=3D20<BR>> pole down padeye from foredeck t=
o just aft of foredeck hatch?<BR>>=3D20<BR>> My goal is to have boat =
rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that =3D<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> move between boats where possible. Also want to f=
ree up the cam=3D20<BR>> cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adju=
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