Does anyone know where I can pick up a Bow Rail for a Frers?
Gary Moore
SV Patriot
Wrapped a line around shaft on weekend and area around strut now =
cracked. May only be fairing but could also be worse. Is the =
boat cored at strut?
Also. Shaft pulled back and need work done there too. =
Anyone have magic tricks to fit a person into this area to effect =
repairs? It appears we have to drain and remove fuel tank at the =
very least. Have been told that easiest to drain tank at the =
filter which is on port side and accessed thru inspection port from =
quarterberth. Any good tips on doing this and on doing this =
without getting diesel into boat?
Mike
Wrapped a line around shaft on weekend and area around strut now =3D=20
cracked. May only be fairing but could also be worse. Is the =
=3D=20
boat cored at strut?
Also. Shaft pulled back and need work done there too. =3D=20
Anyone have magic tricks to fit a person into this area to effect =3D=20
repairs? It appears we have to drain and remove fuel tank at the =3D=
=20
very least. Have been told that easiest to drain tank at the =
=3D=20
filter which is on port side and accessed thru inspection port from =3D=20
quarterberth. Any good tips on doing this and on doing this =3D=20
without getting diesel into boat?
Mike
Wrapped a line around shaft on weekend and area around strut now =3D
cracked. May only be fairing but could also be worse. Is the =
=3D
boat cored at strut?
Also. Shaft pulled back and need work done there too. =3D
Anyone have magic tricks to fit a person into this area to effect =3D
repairs? It appears we have to drain and remove fuel tank at the =
=3D
very least. Have been told that easiest to drain tank at the =
=3D
filter which is on port side and accessed thru inspection port from =3D
quarterberth. Any good tips on doing this and on doing this =3D
without getting diesel into boat?
Mike
I haven't had any experience with the Frers but on one of my previous =
boats the strut cracked and it was built pretty much the way Frank =
describes.=C2=A0 The only difference on my vessel was that the nuts were =
epoxied into a mound of fiberglass that was built into the hull so the =
nuts didn't move.=C2=A0 It was the same process from the outside, remove =
the fairing and access the bolt heads.=C2=A0 In my case you didn't =
access the nuts just removed the bolts.=C2=A0 The individual who did the =
welding made a jig to ensure the strut didn't get deflected when he did =
the welding so the alignment of the shaft remained true, something to =
watch out for.=C2=A0 Obviously the strut had to be removed from the hull =
for welding.
Regards
Rod
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I =
did not have to remove the fuel tank. I accessed the area inside the =
boat through the starboard lazarette. I'm 5'10" 230lbs =
and it was a tight fit, but it helps if you have someone helping with =
the tools. If there is a circus coming to your town, see if they have =
any midgets who might be willing to crawl in there. =
Hope this =
helps
Frank =
Wittosch
Pepperke =
2.0
Lake =
Michigan
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Wrapped a line around shaft on weekend and area around strut =
now
cracked. May only be fairing but could also be worse. =
Is the boat
cored at strut?
=3D20
Also. Shaft pulled back and need work done there too. =
Anyone have
magic tricks to fit a person into this area to =
effect repairs? It
appears we have to drain and remove fuel =
tank at the very least. Have
been told that easiest to drain =
tank at the filter which is on port side
and accessed thru inspection =
port from quarterberth. Any good tips on
doing this and on =
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boat?
=3D20
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been there.......done that !!!!
> I don't know if photos will come through on the list, but I
thought I'd
> share the jibing technique we've worked out on Pachyderm - The
helmsman
> (me) just spins the wheel and the foredeck straightens it out on
their own
> after the jibe. (FYI. we use Sheets and Guys - when we bother jibing
the
> pole we do a dip-pole). Notice how the bow person climbs up through
the
> pulpit to bring down the jib. Thanks to Dan Ferrier for the
documentation.
>
> Edgar Smith, Pachyderm
>
>
>
Looks =E2=80=9Cexciting!=E2=80=9D<= /p>
=C2=A0
Kurt Hudson
LC Anderson Inc
=C2=A0
From: frers-list-admin@l=
ists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar S=
mith
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:59 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Subject: [frers-list]Re: tweakers and guys
=C2=A0
I don't know if photos will c=
ome through on the list, but I thought I'd share the jibing technique w=
e've worked out on Pachyderm - The helmsman (me) just spins the wheel a=
nd the foredeck straightens it out on their own after the jibe. (FYI. we us=
e Sheets and Guys - when we bother jibing the pole we do a dip-pole). Notic=
e how the bow person climbs up through the pulpit to bring down the jib. Th=
anks to Dan Ferrier for the documentation.
Edgar Smith, Pachyderm
Hi =
Guys,
Getting a bit of play =
in my rudder and suspect the bearings may need to be renewed. I believe =
there is some information on line and will have a detailed look. =
Just curious as to who has done this recently and where they purchased =
the parts. Also the upper end of the rudder stock is held in place =
by a stainless steel bold through the rudder stock. On Equinox =
there is a polyethylene (Perhaps Starboard) block (about 3/8” =
thick on the cockpit sole which turn on two polyethylene discs, on edge, =
which in this case are badly worn. I was wondering what other =
Frers had there and if anyone has pictures that would be great. At =
the present time there is two to 3” of play at the bottom of =
the rudder when the boat is out of the water.
Regards
Rod
Equinox
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Fuel=C2=A0 |
Diesel |
Hull Material=C2=A0 |
Fiberglass |
=C2=A0 |
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Engine Type=C2=A0 |
Inboard |
Beam=C2=A0 |
11 ft 4 in |
=C2=A0 |
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Max Draft=C2=A0 |
6 ft 3 in |
Engine Make=C2=A0 |
Yanmar |
=C2=A0 |
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Engine Model=C2=A0 |
2GM20F |
Engine Year=C2=A0 |
1987 |
=C2=A0 |
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Number of Heads=C2=A0 |
1 |
Holding Tank Size=C2=A0 |
25 gal |
=C2=A0 |
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Water Capacity=C2=A0 |
30 gal |
Number of Berths=C2=A0 |
6 |
=C2=A0 |
|
Number of Engines=C2=A0 |
1 |
Max Bridge Clearance=C2=A0 |
45 ft |
=C2=A0 |
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|
1987 Frers Fr= ers 33: A proven winn= er ready to race or cruise. This is a well designed and maintained boat that loves to go fast.On the inside it=E2=80= =99s all cruiser and on deck it=E2=80=99s all racer. Very comfortable and very rel= iable with top of the line high quality sails. SAILS/RIGGING=
: North 3DL 155=
% Genoa (Mylar/Kevlar/Carbon fiber) (2010) North Airx Sp=
innaker .6 ounce(White) (2006) Big North nylon S= pinnaker 3/4 ounce (Dark Blue/Light Blue/White) (2005) Asymmetric sp=
innaker, lightly used. More sails to= o many to list (older)Hall Spares Quick vangHarkin windward sheeting mainsheet car with gross and fine tune ROLLER FURLER= JIB. Lazy jacks (n= ot currently installed, stored in the boat) (2) Harkin/Ba=
rbosa 46.2 WINCHES, Primaries (recently serviced) Accommodation= s The frers 33= =E2=80=B2 comfortably sleeps six adults dispersed between the v-berth fwd, the three midships settees including the pilot berth and= the aft quarter berth. The nav stati= on, located just fwd of the quarter berth, has full instrumentation including wind/depth/speed/heading/and a gps chart plotter. Additional fe= atures include: 2 hanging loc=
kers, one in the V-Birth Galley: Standard Hori=
zon GPS/Chart-plotter (2011) at the Nav Station Electrical Sy= stem: Battery Charg=
er (WC 40 AMP Smart Automatic) Additional Eq= uipment: Sail Cover, (2) Anchors with chain and rode, (7) fenders Swim Ladder, Horseshoe Life Ring, CG Safety Equipment (Orion alert/locate), (2) Boat Hook, (2) land power electric cables, (4) = Type II life vest (4) Fire Extinguishers |
= --Apple-Mail-D0DAE056-8A40-4A16-B490-C44EE5EBE698-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Sep 30 14:40:07 2014 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:40:07 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Rig tensions Message-ID: <4CDEBB6B0F16C541BA8F985B72705D5419ECE1AB@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CFDCB4.0C417A8A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CFDCB4.0C417A8A" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CFDCB4.0C417A8A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi =20 I noticed on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings rather than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that Loos makes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give a different number. =20 Would it be possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for uppers, lowers, intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if possible also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension gauge? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would be nice as well because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect the readings as well. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion pounds .... =20 Thanks =20 =20 Mike ------_=_NextPart_002_01CFDCB4.0C417A8A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=
Relentless, Boat Detail= s
Fuel
Diesel
Hull Material
Fiberglass
Engine Type
Inboard
Beam
11 ft 4 in
Max Draft
6 ft 3 in
Engine Make
Yanmar
Engine Model
2GM20F
Engine Year
1987
Number of Heads
1
Holding Tank Size
25 gal
Water Capacity
30 gal
Number of Berths
6
Number of Engines
1
Max Bridge Clearance
45 ft
Description/Condition=
1987 Frers Frer= s 33:
A proven winner= ready to race or cruise. This is a well designed and maintained boat that loves to go fast.On the inside it=E2=80=99= s all cruiser and on deck it=E2=80=99s all racer. Very comfortable and very reli= able with top of the line high quality sails.
SAILS/RIGGING:<= br>
North 3DL Main Sail (Mylar/Kevlar/Carbon fiber) (2010) Excellent condition= .North 3DL 155% G= enoa (Mylar/Kevlar/Carbon fiber) (2010)
North 3DL 155% Genoa (Mylar/Kevlar) (2006)
UK Tape drive 110% Genoa Mylar Kevlar tapes (2009) used once
North Airx Spinnaker .6 ounce (Red/White/Silver) (2010)North Airx Spin= naker .6 ounce(White) (2006) Big
UK Airx spinnaker .6 ounce (Hot Pink/Silver/White)(2007)North nylon Spi= nnaker 3/4 ounce (Dark Blue/Light Blue/White) (2005)
Asymmetric spin= naker, lightly used.
ROD RIGGING (all rigging inspected and re-headed 2010) Aluminim Spinnaker Pole.More sails too m= any to list (older)Hall Spares Quick vangHarkin windward sheeting mainsheet car with gross and fine tune=
ROLLER FURLER J= IB.
Lazy jacks (not= currently installed, stored in the boat)
(2) Harkin/Barb= osa 46.2 WINCHES, Primaries (recently serviced)
(2) Harken 32ST WINCHES Cabin Top (recently serviced)
(2) LEWMAR 43ST WINCHES Secondaries (recently serviced)Accommodations<= /span>
The frers 33=E2= =80=B2 comfortably sleeps six adults dispersed between the v-berth fwd, the three midships settees including the pilot berth and t= he aft quarter berth.
The nav station= , located just fwd of the quarter berth, has full instrumentation including wind/depth/speed/heading/and a gps chart plotter.
Additional feat= ures include:
2 hanging locke= rs, one in the V-Birth
Bulkhead mounted dining table
Teak folding door for v-birth
Teak and holly sole
Cabin cushions (2011)Galley:
features include:
origo 2 burner alcohol stove
s/s sink pressure water
large ice box
Electronics And Navigational Gear:Standard Horizo= n GPS/Chart-plotter (2011) at the Nav Station
Standard Horizon GPS/Chart-plotter (2011) at the Helm
Raymarine ST60 Plus instruments including Wind Speed/Direction, Depth, Spe= ed, and 2 =E2=80=93 ST 60 Plus Graphic Display instruments with multiple capab= ilities
Raymarine ST40 instruments at NAV station including Wind Speed/Direction, Depth, Speed, and Heading.
COMPASS at the helmElectrical Syst= em:
Battery Charger= (WC 40 AMP Smart Automatic)
Stereo/CD player with remote at the helm
Uniden Oceanus VHF RADIO with DSC Uniden Hand held
2 Die Hard marine batteries (one starting, one deep cycle)Additional Equi= pment: Sail Cover, (2) Anchors with chain and rode, (7) fenders Swim Ladder, Horseshoe Life Ring, CG Safety Equipment (Orion alert/locate), (2) Boat Hook, (2) land power electric cables, (4) T= ype II life vest (4) Fire Extinguishers
Hi
I noticed =
on the tuning guide the numbers reported were the gauge readings rather =
than the translated numbers in pounds. I have also noted that Loos =
makes several models of these tension gauges and each would likely give =
a different number.
Would it be =
possible to replay with not only the numbers you use for uppers, lowers, =
intermediates and forestay as the tension gauge numbers but if possible =
also the translated pounds value and the model of your tension =
gauge? If anyone knows the diameter of rod used in each that would =
be nice as well because if it differs from boat to boat it would affect =
the readings as well. Our former J boat rig tuning guide was ion =
pounds ….
Thanks
Mike