> wrote:
Hi Guys/Gals,
=20
Just wondering what people are going to these in terms of racing genoas =
and the longevity of the racing headsails in particular. The choices =
seem to be:
=20
1. Cross cut using modern laminates lie Flex Black from DP
2. Tri Radial construction that allows better shape retention and =
supposed longer life than the moulded sails
3. Moulded sails like North 3 DI or Doyle=E2=80=99s Stratis sails=20
=20
The options are pretty much in order of price I believe with the moulded =
sail being the most expensive. With the low Canadian dollar sails have =
gone up considerably so I want to make an informed decision about what =
is the best value and performance
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Regards
Rod Stright
Equinox
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the crew weight to carry a 145.
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur =
Kelley
Sent: September-07-15 7:14 PM
To: =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Racing =
Headsail Choices
I have =
little recent experience with anything other than 3DL and 3DI products. =
I get 5-6 years out of a 3DL sail before the Mylar begins flaking off =
excessively. They seem to hold their shape well right up to the end. =
But then again, Dave always beats me. My 3DI 145% jib is =
only 2 seasons old but so far I like the way it handles. I got a pretty =
good deal on the sail at the time, but they have gone up quite a bit =
compared to 3DL. <=
/p>
I have a tape drive #3 I bought used and only used a =
half dozen times or so. It would not have been my choice at full price =
but we don't use the #3 out here much so it beats my old one. If I =
had to buy a #3 new I would avoid molded because it takes a beating. The =
3DI might be good for the purpose but as you said, very expensive and I =
don't use it much.
I =
am currently using an old tri-radial laminate main because the 3DL is =
falling apart and I want to save its last few hours for important races. =
I am surprised at how well it's performing. I hope to replace it with =
3DI if the price is more reasonable this =
year.
Hi Guys/Gals,
Just =
wondering what people are going to these in terms of racing genoas and =
the longevity of the racing headsails in particular. The choices =
seem to be:
1. =
Cross cut using modern laminates lie Flex Black =
from DP
2. =
Tri Radial construction that allows better shape =
retention and supposed longer life than the moulded =
sails
3. =
Moulded sails like North 3 DI or Doyle=E2=80=99s =
Stratis sails
The options =
are pretty much in order of price I believe with the moulded sail being =
the most expensive. With the low Canadian dollar sails have =
gone up considerably so I want to make an informed decision about what =
is the best value and performance
Regards
Rod =
Stright
Equinox
I've been pretty disgusted with the life of the we get from North 3D=
L sails and recently we've tried a few alternitives. In your list of choice=
s you mention molded sails like Doyle
Stratus and North 3DI. You may already know this, but North actually offer=
s two different molded sails, the 3DL and 3DI. The 3DI is a newer technolog=
y than the 3DL. It is made of molded fibers only, and there is no mylar lay=
er. The first generation 3DIs were
gray, and the new ones are black. They are about 25% more expensive than 3=
DLs. The Paneled mylar sails are usually slightly less than the 3DLs but in=
some cases even slightly more expensive. People seem happy with the 3DIs, =
but I have not tried them. Art Kelly's
is fast.
Saying which sail lasts the longest depends somewhat on your definition of =
when the sail is no longer good enough. In my experience, a paneled m=
ylar sail will hold together a long time but it's shape will move more maki=
ng it a slower sail, while the 3DL holds
it's shape petty well until the mylar gets brittle and then the sail begin=
s to come apart pretty quickly. On the Frers, we have been able to race our=
3DLs for a maximum of 4 years. Neither of our last two mains were very goo=
d after 3 years. Late this summer
we bought a new main by a successful sail designer in our area; Fries Sail=
Design. Some very good boats use his sails, and I got good feedback from t=
he owners about how well they've held up. The main cost a few dollars more =
than the quote we had for a North
3DL. John Fries says we should expect better longevity from it than we saw=
with the 3DLs because he uses a superior mylar and a higher thread count. =
I'll know in about 3 years if that is true. We'll race Wolverine in two wee=
ks, and should get a good speed
comparison with Dave's new 3DL North main. So far we think it looks really=
good.
The Fries sail is made a a facility in Capetown. I assume it is made by the=
Ulman loft located there, but don't know for sure. One difference I notice=
d was that the sail has a similar load path thread layout as the 3DL but it=
is made with seams, so the treads
are not actually continious the entire lenght of the sail. The seams look =
solid, but this could become a potential point of failure as the sail gets =
older.
One thing we've tried to do to get longer sail life is carry both a North l=
ight/medium #1 jib as well as a medium heavy #1. My thought is that the lig=
ht jib will last longer if we don't carry it up to the top of it's range an=
d the medium heavy #1 will hold
it's shape better in the teens. But as Dave pointed out, it gives us one m=
ore sail choice decision to sweat over. And unfortunately, we have not real=
ly seen a speed advantage against Wolverine when we've had the medium heavy=
#1 up against their Light medium
#1.
We also bought a paneled North kevlar/mylar 145% #2. We don't use it much a=
nd I thought it would last longer than our previous 3DL #2. We'll see.
I should also caution you that the last two sails we bought from North - th=
e heavy #1 and the paneled #2 were both cut with the clews so low that they=
to-blocked before we could trim them in all the way. Both sails had to go =
back to North to have the clews
re-done. They are now O.K., but no longer perfect. The North sailmaker sai=
d this is not the case, but I think the loft must have an incorrect measure=
ment on file for the Frers 33 track height and have not updated it. I am no=
t the only boat that has had this
problem with low clews on North jibs and it seems to go back many years. I=
f you order a North jib I would ask them to measure and make it clear that =
you will not accept the recut sail if you have this problem.
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From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 05:47:34 -0300
Subject: [frers-list]RE: Racing Headsail Choices
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Thanks Edgar, very helpful. I've been very happy with my Doyle Stratis
mainsail and #1. Both are Technora which IMHO wears very well compared to
other high tech fabrics. North does not use technora. The two that need to
be replaced (Blade and #2) are DPs D4 which had a lot of carbon and they
quickly broke down. Stratis is now very expensive because of our dollar
situation and the Stratis sails are built in New Zeeland. I have a friend
who bought an Olson 30 from the Annapolis area and it had Evolution sails
which look and perform great. I'll be interested in how the new sail works
out. It is likely a cross cut panel design using hi tech material. I had
Flex sails on my Peterson 37 and they seemed very good but I sold the boat
shortly after I got the sails but I assume they wore well. A lot cheaper
to build.
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: September-08-15 12:55 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]RE: Racing Headsail Choices
I've been pretty disgusted with the life of the we get from North 3DL sails
and recently we've tried a few alternitives. In your list of choices you
mention molded sails like Doyle Stratus and North 3DI. You may already know
this, but North actually offers two different molded sails, the 3DL and 3DI.
The 3DI is a newer technology than the 3DL. It is made of molded fibers
only, and there is no mylar layer. The first generation 3DIs were gray, and
the new ones are black. They are about 25% more expensive than 3DLs. The
Paneled mylar sails are usually slightly less than the 3DLs but in some
cases even slightly more expensive. People seem happy with the 3DIs, but I
have not tried them. Art Kelly's is fast.
Saying which sail lasts the longest depends somewhat on your definition of
when the sail is no longer good enough. In my experience, a paneled mylar
sail will hold together a long time but it's shape will move more making it
a slower sail, while the 3DL holds it's shape petty well until the mylar
gets brittle and then the sail begins to come apart pretty quickly. On the
Frers, we have been able to race our 3DLs for a maximum of 4 years. Neither
of our last two mains were very good after 3 years. Late this summer we
bought a new main by a successful sail designer in our area; Fries Sail
Design. Some very good boats use his sails, and I got good feedback from the
owners about how well they've held up. The main cost a few dollars more than
the quote we had for a North 3DL. John Fries says we should expect better
longevity from it than we saw with the 3DLs because he uses a superior mylar
and a higher thread count. I'll know in about 3 years if that is true. We'll
race Wolverine in two weeks, and should get a good speed comparison with
Dave's new 3DL North main. So far we think it looks really good.
The Fries sail is made a a facility in Capetown. I assume it is made by the
Ulman loft located there, but don't know for sure. One difference I noticed
was that the sail has a similar load path thread layout as the 3DL but it is
made with seams, so the treads are not actually continious the entire lenght
of the sail. The seams look solid, but this could become a potential point
of failure as the sail gets older.
One thing we've tried to do to get longer sail life is carry both a North
light/medium #1 jib as well as a medium heavy #1. My thought is that the
light jib will last longer if we don't carry it up to the top of it's range
and the medium heavy #1 will hold it's shape better in the teens. But as
Dave pointed out, it gives us one more sail choice decision to sweat over.
And unfortunately, we have not really seen a speed advantage against
Wolverine when we've had the medium heavy #1 up against their Light medium
#1.
We also bought a paneled North kevlar/mylar 145% #2. We don't use it much
and I thought it would last longer than our previous 3DL #2. We'll see.
I should also caution you that the last two sails we bought from North - the
heavy #1 and the paneled #2 were both cut with the clews so low that they
to-blocked before we could trim them in all the way. Both sails had to go
back to North to have the clews re-done. They are now O.K., but no longer
perfect. The North sailmaker said this is not the case, but I think the loft
must have an incorrect measurement on file for the Frers 33 track height and
have not updated it. I am not the only boat that has had this problem with
low clews on North jibs and it seems to go back many years. If you order a
North jib I would ask them to measure and make it clear that you will not
accept the recut sail if you have this problem.
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Thanks Edgar, very helpful. I’ve =
been very happy with my Doyle Stratis mainsail and #1. Both are =
Technora which IMHO wears very well compared to other high tech =
fabrics. North does not use technora. The two that need to =
be replaced (Blade and #2) are DPs D4 which had a lot of carbon and they =
quickly broke down. Stratis is now very expensive because of our =
dollar situation and the Stratis sails are built in New Zeeland. I =
have a friend who bought an Olson 30 from the Annapolis area and it had =
Evolution sails which look and perform great. I’ll be =
interested in how the new sail works out. It is likely a cross cut =
panel design using hi tech material. I had Flex sails on my =
Peterson 37 and they seemed very good but I sold the boat shortly after =
I got the sails but I assume they wore well. A lot cheaper =
to build.
From:<=
/b> =
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar =
Smith
Sent: September-08-15 12:55 AM
To: =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]RE: Racing =
Headsail Choices
I'=
ve been pretty disgusted with the life of the we get from North 3DL =
sails and recently we've tried a few alternitives. In your list of =
choices you mention molded sails like Doyle Stratus and North 3DI. You =
may already know this, but North actually offers two different molded =
sails, the 3DL and 3DI. The 3DI is a newer technology than the 3DL. It =
is made of molded fibers only, and there is no mylar layer. The first =
generation 3DIs were gray, and the new ones are black. They are about =
25% more expensive than 3DLs. The Paneled mylar sails are usually =
slightly less than the 3DLs but in some cases even slightly more =
expensive. People seem happy with the 3DIs, but I have not tried them. =
Art Kelly's is fast.
Saying which sail lasts the longest depends =
somewhat on your definition of when the sail is no longer good =
enough. In my experience, a paneled mylar sail will hold together =
a long time but it's shape will move more making it a slower sail, while =
the 3DL holds it's shape petty well until the mylar gets brittle and =
then the sail begins to come apart pretty quickly. On the Frers, we have =
been able to race our 3DLs for a maximum of 4 years. Neither of our last =
two mains were very good after 3 years. Late this summer we bought a new =
main by a successful sail designer in our area; Fries Sail Design. Some =
very good boats use his sails, and I got good feedback from the owners =
about how well they've held up. The main cost a few dollars more than =
the quote we had for a North 3DL. John Fries says we should expect =
better longevity from it than we saw with the 3DLs because he uses a =
superior mylar and a higher thread count. I'll know in about 3 years if =
that is true. We'll race Wolverine in two weeks, and should get a =
good speed comparison with Dave's new 3DL North main. So far we =
think it looks really good.
The Fries sail is made a a facility =
in Capetown. I assume it is made by the Ulman loft located there, but =
don't know for sure. One difference I noticed was that the sail has a =
similar load path thread layout as the 3DL but it is made with seams, so =
the treads are not actually continious the entire lenght of the sail. =
The seams look solid, but this could become a potential point of failure =
as the sail gets older.
One thing we've tried to do to get longer =
sail life is carry both a North light/medium #1 jib as well as a medium =
heavy #1. My thought is that the light jib will last longer if we don't =
carry it up to the top of it's range and the medium heavy #1 will hold =
it's shape better in the teens. But as Dave pointed out, it gives us one =
more sail choice decision to sweat over. And unfortunately, we have not =
really seen a speed advantage against Wolverine when we've had the =
medium heavy #1 up against their Light medium #1.
We also bought =
a paneled North kevlar/mylar 145% #2. We don't use it much and I thought =
it would last longer than our previous 3DL #2. We'll see.
I =
should also caution you that the last two sails we bought from North - =
the heavy #1 and the paneled #2 were both cut with the clews so low that =
they to-blocked before we could trim them in all the way. Both sails had =
to go back to North to have the clews re-done. They are now O.K., but no =
longer perfect. The North sailmaker said this is not the case, but I =
think the loft must have an incorrect measurement on file for the Frers =
33 track height and have not updated it. I am not the only boat that has =
had this problem with low clews on North jibs and it seems to go back =
many years. If you order a North jib I would ask them to measure and =
make it clear that you will not accept the recut sail if you have this =
problem.
Edgar,
Interesting point about the clews. With my new light/medium #1 we found that the tack is too low. The spreader patch was below the spreader and too much of the foot was on the deck. Instead of connecting it to the tack fitting we clip the tack shackle into another snap shackle that had been fitted for a jib that did not have it's own shackle. That extra 3-4" made a difference.
Art
I've been pretty disgusted with the life of the we get from North 3DL sails and recently we've tried a few alternitives. In your list of choices you mention molded sails like Doyle
Stratus and North 3DI. You may already know this, but North actually offers two different molded sails, the 3DL and 3DI. The 3DI is a newer technology than the 3DL. It is made of molded fibers only, and there is no mylar layer. The first generation 3DIs were
gray, and the new ones are black. They are about 25% more expensive than 3DLs. The Paneled mylar sails are usually slightly less than the 3DLs but in some cases even slightly more expensive. People seem happy with the 3DIs, but I have not tried them. Art Kelly's
is fast.
Saying which sail lasts the longest depends somewhat on your definition of when the sail is no longer good enough. In my experience, a paneled mylar sail will hold together a long time but it's shape will move more making it a slower sail, while the 3DL holds
it's shape petty well until the mylar gets brittle and then the sail begins to come apart pretty quickly. On the Frers, we have been able to race our 3DLs for a maximum of 4 years. Neither of our last two mains were very good after 3 years. Late this summer
we bought a new main by a successful sail designer in our area; Fries Sail Design. Some very good boats use his sails, and I got good feedback from the owners about how well they've held up. The main cost a few dollars more than the quote we had for a North
3DL. John Fries says we should expect better longevity from it than we saw with the 3DLs because he uses a superior mylar and a higher thread count. I'll know in about 3 years if that is true. We'll race Wolverine in two weeks, and should get a good speed
comparison with Dave's new 3DL North main. So far we think it looks really good.
The Fries sail is made a a facility in Capetown. I assume it is made by the Ulman loft located there, but don't know for sure. One difference I noticed was that the sail has a similar load path thread layout as the 3DL but it is made with seams, so the treads
are not actually continious the entire lenght of the sail. The seams look solid, but this could become a potential point of failure as the sail gets older.
One thing we've tried to do to get longer sail life is carry both a North light/medium #1 jib as well as a medium heavy #1. My thought is that the light jib will last longer if we don't carry it up to the top of it's range and the medium heavy #1 will hold
it's shape better in the teens. But as Dave pointed out, it gives us one more sail choice decision to sweat over. And unfortunately, we have not really seen a speed advantage against Wolverine when we've had the medium heavy #1 up against their Light medium
#1.
We also bought a paneled North kevlar/mylar 145% #2. We don't use it much and I thought it would last longer than our previous 3DL #2. We'll see.
I should also caution you that the last two sails we bought from North - the heavy #1 and the paneled #2 were both cut with the clews so low that they to-blocked before we could trim them in all the way. Both sails had to go back to North to have the clews
re-done. They are now O.K., but no longer perfect. The North sailmaker said this is not the case, but I think the loft must have an incorrect measurement on file for the Frers 33 track height and have not updated it. I am not the only boat that has had this
problem with low clews on North jibs and it seems to go back many years. If you order a North jib I would ask them to measure and make it clear that you will not accept the recut sail if you have this problem.
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From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rich Peirce)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 06:48:35 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]RE: Racing Headsail Choices
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I too had to return a heavy #1 twice for spreader patches before going to a
local sailmaker to fix it.
Rich
Moose
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 6:24 AM, Arthur Kelley wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> Interesting point about the clews. With my new light/medium #1 we found
> that the tack is too low. The spreader patch was below the spreader and too
> much of the foot was on the deck. Instead of connecting it to the tack
> fitting we clip the tack shackle into another snap shackle that had been
> fitted for a jib that did not have it's own shackle. That extra 3-4" made a
> difference.
>
> Art
>
> On Sep 7, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Edgar Smith
> wrote:
>
> I've been pretty disgusted with the life of the we get from North 3DL
> sails and recently we've tried a few alternitives. In your list of choices
> you mention molded sails like Doyle Stratus and North 3DI. You may already
> know this, but North actually offers two different molded sails, the 3DL
> and 3DI. The 3DI is a newer technology than the 3DL. It is made of molded
> fibers only, and there is no mylar layer. The first generation 3DIs were
> gray, and the new ones are black. They are about 25% more expensive than
> 3DLs. The Paneled mylar sails are usually slightly less than the 3DLs but
> in some cases even slightly more expensive. People seem happy with the
> 3DIs, but I have not tried them. Art Kelly's is fast.
>
> Saying which sail lasts the longest depends somewhat on your definition of
> when the sail is no longer good enough. In my experience, a paneled mylar
> sail will hold together a long time but it's shape will move more making it
> a slower sail, while the 3DL holds it's shape petty well until the mylar
> gets brittle and then the sail begins to come apart pretty quickly. On the
> Frers, we have been able to race our 3DLs for a maximum of 4 years. Neither
> of our last two mains were very good after 3 years. Late this summer we
> bought a new main by a successful sail designer in our area; Fries Sail
> Design. Some very good boats use his sails, and I got good feedback from
> the owners about how well they've held up. The main cost a few dollars more
> than the quote we had for a North 3DL. John Fries says we should expect
> better longevity from it than we saw with the 3DLs because he uses a
> superior mylar and a higher thread count. I'll know in about 3 years if
> that is true. We'll race Wolverine in two weeks, and should get a good
> speed comparison with Dave's new 3DL North main. So far we think it looks
> really good.
>
> The Fries sail is made a a facility in Capetown. I assume it is made by
> the Ulman loft located there, but don't know for sure. One difference I
> noticed was that the sail has a similar load path thread layout as the 3DL
> but it is made with seams, so the treads are not actually continious the
> entire lenght of the sail. The seams look solid, but this could become a
> potential point of failure as the sail gets older.
>
> One thing we've tried to do to get longer sail life is carry both a North
> light/medium #1 jib as well as a medium heavy #1. My thought is that the
> light jib will last longer if we don't carry it up to the top of it's range
> and the medium heavy #1 will hold it's shape better in the teens. But as
> Dave pointed out, it gives us one more sail choice decision to sweat over.
> And unfortunately, we have not really seen a speed advantage against
> Wolverine when we've had the medium heavy #1 up against their Light medium
> #1.
>
> We also bought a paneled North kevlar/mylar 145% #2. We don't use it much
> and I thought it would last longer than our previous 3DL #2. We'll see.
>
> I should also caution you that the last two sails we bought from North -
> the heavy #1 and the paneled #2 were both cut with the clews so low that
> they to-blocked before we could trim them in all the way. Both sails had to
> go back to North to have the clews re-done. They are now O.K., but no
> longer perfect. The North sailmaker said this is not the case, but I think
> the loft must have an incorrect measurement on file for the Frers 33 track
> height and have not updated it. I am not the only boat that has had this
> problem with low clews on North jibs and it seems to go back many years. If
> you order a North jib I would ask them to measure and make it clear that
> you will not accept the recut sail if you have this problem.
>
>
>
>
>
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I too had to return a heavy #1 twice for spreader patches =
before going to a local sailmaker to fix it.
Rich
<=
div>Moose
On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Edgar Smith wrote:
Pachyderm (Impulse) had an aluminum telescoping =
whisker pole when we bought her. She was raced in ECSA cruising canvas. =
Looking at her old certificate, it does not appear there was any rating =
penalty assessed for the extra length at the time. I sold the =
telescoping pole several years ago, so I can't give you more specifics. =
We've wiskered out our number three and heavy one on a couple of =
occasions in heavy air using the spinnaker pole, and both times it's =
worked really well. Likewise sailing with Ted on First Edition we =
use the spinnaker pole in the Thursday night series and it seems plenty =
long for the job. The biggest problem has been getting it off when the =
wind is over thirty, but I'm not sure the telescoping pole would make it =
any easier.
Edgar =
Smith/Pachyderm
=
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From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (ROD STRIGHT)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:38:10 -0300
Subject: [frers-list]Rod Rigging
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I had one done and I believe Hall Spars are the best people to deal with on
this issue.
Rod
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: September 15, 2015 11:17 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Rod Rigging
Has anyone replaced or re-headed rod rigging. Is there any accepted wisdom
on how long before this should be done? Is inspection adequate?
Edgar Smith
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On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Edgar Smith wrote:
Pachyderm (Impulse) had an aluminum telescoping whisker pole when we bought
her. She was raced in ECSA cruising canvas. Looking at her old certificate,
it does not appear there was any rating penalty assessed for the extra
length at the time. I sold the telescoping pole several years ago, so I
can't give you more specifics. We've wiskered out our number three and heavy
one on a couple of occasions in heavy air using the spinnaker pole, and both
times it's worked really well. Likewise sailing with Ted on First Edition
we use the spinnaker pole in the Thursday night series and it seems plenty
long for the job. The biggest problem has been getting it off when the wind
is over thirty, but I'm not sure the telescoping pole would make it any
easier.
Edgar Smith/Pachyderm
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Has anyone =
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long before this should be done? Is inspection =
adequate?
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Sep 15, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Edgar Smith wrote:
Pachyderm (Impulse) had an aluminum =
telescoping whisker pole when we bought her. She was raced in ECSA =
cruising canvas. Looking at her old certificate, it does not appear =
there was any rating penalty assessed for the extra length at the time. =
I sold the telescoping pole several years ago, so I can't give you =
more specifics. We've wiskered out our number three and heavy one on a =
couple of occasions in heavy air using the spinnaker pole, and both =
times it's worked really well. Likewise sailing with Ted on First =
Edition we use the spinnaker pole in the Thursday night series and it =
seems plenty long for the job. The biggest problem has been getting it =
off when the wind is over thirty, but I'm not sure the telescoping pole =
would make it any easier.
Edgar =
Smith/Pachyderm
Contact is Chuck Poindexter - Sound Rigging Services 860-391-3944.
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Dick Saunders is maintaining this now so he c=
an take care of that. He=E2=80=99ll see your post and this reply.
Regards,
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sistence Hull 16 from Deconto MA to 16 =E2=80=93 Persistence - Hoyt =E2=80=
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Sep 26 09:45:55 2015
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 05:45:55 -0300
Subject: [frers-list]Sail buying time again
In-Reply-To:
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Any idea how sails are wearing and what sails seem to be the fastest:
1. Cross cut sails made from hi tech material (carbon, Tworan, technora,
etc.)
2. Tri radial cuts where different weight and panels can match the load
3. Moulded sails like Doyle Stratis. North 3DL and 3 Di, UK etc.
Interested in prices on a blade and #3 (Blade)
Seems prices have gone up butt I'm not sure the longevity has?
Rod
Equinox.
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: September-24-15 4:55 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Sail buying time again
Do we have sufficient demand for new sails from the class to again leverage
additional discount from North? I am in for one.
Art
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sat Sep 26 10:19:28 2015
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 06:19:28 -0300
Subject: [frers-list]Sail buying time again
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Sorry should have read a blade and a #2 (140%)
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: September-26-15 5:46 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Sail buying time again
Any idea how sails are wearing and what sails seem to be the fastest:
1. Cross cut sails made from hi tech material (carbon, Tworan, technora,
etc.)
2. Tri radial cuts where different weight and panels can match the load 3.
Moulded sails like Doyle Stratis. North 3DL and 3 Di, UK etc.
Interested in prices on a blade and #3 (Blade)
Seems prices have gone up butt I'm not sure the longevity has?
Rod
Equinox.
-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: September-24-15 4:55 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Sail buying time again
Do we have sufficient demand for new sails from the class to again leverage
additional discount from North? I am in for one.
Art
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Sep 29 19:30:26 2015
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:30:26 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Sail buying time again
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Rod et al.:
Pachyderm is going to opt out of the sail-buying arms race this fall. =
We're already in hock for the replacement on the spinnaker we shredded =
at Race Week and the main we bought to try and counter Wolverine's =
secret North Sails weapon. I will say the Fries Design main seemed =
pretty fast at Off Soundings. I can't say we had a speed advantage on =
Wolverine, but it certainly kept us in the hunt or better until I could =
find some other way to blow it the second day.. Time will tell how long =
it lasts. I've been happy with our radial paneled North #2 purchased 2 =
years ago. It is slightly heavier than a 3DL but shows no signs of =
losing it's shape. I'd still stick with a string sail for a light one =
where the weight matters more. =20
Edgar Smith/Pachyderm=
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Rod et al.:
Pachyderm is going to opt out of the sail-buying arms race this fall. We're already in hock for the replacement on the spinnaker we shredded at Race Week and the main we bought to try and counter Wolverine's secret North Sails weapon. I will say the Fries Design main seemed pretty fast at Off Soundings. I can't say we had a speed advantage on Wolverine, but it certainly kept us in the hunt or better until I could find some other way to blow it the second day.. Time will tell how long it lasts. I've been happy with our radial paneled North #2 purchased 2 years ago. It is slightly heavier than a 3DL but shows no signs of losing it's shape. I'd still stick with a string sail for a light one where the weight matters more.
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