[frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #911 - 1 msg
martín contal
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Hi David,
Thank you for the link, very useful!
I think I didn't presented the issue well: The surveyor made two
recommendations: 1) Replace the cutlass bearing, 2) Remove shaft and send it
for inspection. So, the issue of removing the rudder is related to the
removal of the shaft really. The shipyard says that they cannot remove the
shaft without removing the rudder.
At this point I'm considering just replacing the cutlass bearing and leaving
the removal/inspection of the rudder & shaft for Spring, once the boat is in
Ottawa.
Once again, thank you all for your views and advice!
Martin
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Your yard is either incompetent or ripping you off. I changed mine last
year using these simple instructions (shown below). No rudder removal.
Only special tool required is a hub puller. Other than bearing, cost less
than 5$
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/replacing_a_cutlass
David Ward
dlwisme@aol.com
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1. Re: Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice (John Rimel)
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From: John Rimel <jrimel@mtnpress.com>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 22:40:56 -0700
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Martin,=20
For what it=92s worth, Whistler spent part of her life sailing the =
salt-free waters of Flathead Lake in Montana. She=92s been in Seattle =
for a while, but she hasn=92t always been a saltwater boat. She was very =
well regarded on Flathead and I suspect she=92s still in great shape. =
That said, I suspect an inspection of the rudder and the rudder post is =
not a bad idea.=20
Best of luck with her, she=92s one of the good ones!=20
John Rimel
Missoula, MT=20
> On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=EDn contal <martin06@contal.ca> =
wrote:
>=20
> Mike, I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to =
pull
> and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the rudder!=20
>=20
> Thanks,
> Martin
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com?> ] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice
>=20
> Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. We accidentally
> caught a line and the resulting repairs had the strut removed and =
during
> that cutlass bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear)
>=20
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com?> ] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice
>=20
> Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying
> someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super =
expensive.
> Never had to remove rudder
>=20
> The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft =
at same
> place. New shift was $1200 CAD.
>=20
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
> ________________________________________
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur Kelley
> [akelley@optonline.net]
> Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice
>=20
> My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price.
>=20
> I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I
> think. This is the professional tool to do the job. =
http://www.strutpro.com/
>=20
> If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool
> yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" =
hole
> (remove prop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the =
leading
> side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the =
trickiest
> part to size. Here is a video =
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE#
>=20
> Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I
> provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and =
sleeve
> (collet) out of scraps.
>=20
> 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I =
was
> prepared for the worst.
>=20
> I think it only took me an hour or two.
>=20
> Art
>=20
> On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal
> <martin06@contal.ca<mailto:martin06@contal.ca <mailto:martin06@contal.ca?>
>> wrote:
>=20
> Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some =
issues
> with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now:
>=20
> My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and =
the
> shipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following:
>=20
> "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace =
cutlass
> bearing:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ".
> I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the =
rudder.
>=20
> Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts =
about
> rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've =
gone
> through all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well =
as the
> FAQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to =
remove
> the rudder at all.
>=20
> If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and =
experience
> it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week).
>=20
> Martin
>=20
>=20
> martin contal
> : : austral
> ottawa, canada
> 613 286 7189
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class=3D"">Martin, <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">For what it=92s worth, Whistler spent part of her life =
sailing the salt-free waters of Flathead Lake in Montana. She=92s been =
in Seattle for a while, but she hasn=92t always been a saltwater boat. =
She was very well regarded on Flathead and I suspect she=92s still in =
great shape. That said, I suspect an inspection of the rudder and the =
rudder post is not a bad idea. </div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Best of luck with her, she=92s one of =
the good ones! </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
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class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D"">John Rimel</div><div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D"">Missoula, MT </div></div><div class=3D""><br =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=EDn contal <<a =
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca" <mailto:martin06@contal.ca>
class=3D"">martin06@contal.ca</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">Mike, =
I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to pull<br =
class=3D"">and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the =
rudder! <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D"">Martin<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br =
class=3D"">From: <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> =
class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">[<a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"
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class=3D"">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a?> </a>] On Behalf Of =
Hoyt, Mike<br class=3D"">Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM<br class=3D"">To: =
<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"
<mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com> =
class=3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">Subject: RE: =
[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. =
We accidentally<br class=3D"">caught a line and the resulting =
repairs had the strut removed and during<br class=3D"">that cutlass =
bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Mike<br class=3D"">Persistence<br class=3D"">Halifax<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> =
class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">[<a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> =
class=3D"">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a?> </a>] On Behalf Of =
Hoyt, Mike<br class=3D"">Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM<br =
class=3D"">To: <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"
<mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com> =
class=3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">Subject: RE: =
[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you =
are paying<br class=3D"">someone to remove strut to fix it everything is =
easy. Also super expensive.<br class=3D"">Never had to remove rudder<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">The downside was that only was cutlass bearing =
worn but so was shaft at same<br class=3D"">place. New shift was $1200 =
CAD.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Mike<br class=3D"">Persistence<br =
class=3D"">Halifax, NS<br =
class=3D"">________________________________________<br class=3D"">From: =
<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> =
class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">[<a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> =
class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] on behalf of Arthur =
Kelley<br class=3D"">[<a href=3D"mailto:akelley@optonline.net"
<mailto:akelley@optonline.net> =
class=3D"">akelley@optonline.net</a>]<br class=3D"">Sent: February 3, =
2016 7:55 PM<br class=3D"">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"
<mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com> =
class=3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">Subject: Re: =
[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar =
price.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I replaced mine myself without =
removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I<br class=3D"">think. This is the =
professional tool to do the job. <a href=3D"http://www.strutpro.com/" =
class=3D"">http://www.strutpro.com/ <http://www.strutpro.com/</a><br>
</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If =
you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool<br =
class=3D"">yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, =
one with a 1" hole<br class=3D"">(remove prop anyway) and the other with =
a 1" slot to slide over the leading<br class=3D"">side. A couple of =
hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the trickiest<br =
class=3D"">part to size. Here is a video <a =
href=3D"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE#" =
class=3D"">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE#
<https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE#</a><br> </a><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Another club member needed to do the same job =
and he's a machinist. I<br class=3D"">provided the plans, threaded rods =
and nuts and he made the plates and sleeve<br class=3D"">(collet) out of =
scraps.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">2 set screws on one side, don't =
remember which, came out easily but I was<br class=3D"">prepared for the =
worst.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I think it only took me an hour or =
two.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Art<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On =
Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal<br class=3D""><<a =
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca" <mailto:martin06@contal.ca>
class=3D"">martin06@contal.ca</a><<a=
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca" <mailto:martin06@contal.ca> =
class=3D"">mailto:martin06@contal.ca <mailto:martin06@contal.ca</a>>>?>
</a>>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been =
having some issues<br class=3D"">with my frers-list registration. Hope =
it'll work now:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">My surveyor indicated that =
I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the<br class=3D"">shipyard =
where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">"Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and =
shaft and replace cutlass<br class=3D"">bearing:12 hrs of labour =
US$1,276 total ".<br class=3D"">I'm told that they cannot remove the =
shaft without removing the rudder.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Knowing =
that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts about<br =
class=3D"">rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. =
So, I've gone<br class=3D"">through all the frers-list archives since =
2004 to this date, as well as the<br class=3D"">FAQs in search of tips. =
Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to remove<br class=3D"">the =
rudder at all.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If anyone who went through =
this work could share some advice and experience<br class=3D"">it'll be =
much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week).<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Martin<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">martin contal<br class=3D"">: : austral<br class=3D"">ottawa, =
canada<br class=3D"">613 286 7189<br =
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size=3D2 face=3DArial>I think I didn't presented the issue well: The =
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two recommendations: 1) Replace the cutlass bearing, 2) Remove shaft and =
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for inspection. So, the issue of removing the rudder is related to =
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bearing and leaving the removal/inspection of the rudder & =
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Spring, once the boat is in Ottawa.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>David=20
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<DIV></DIV><FONT color=3Dblack size=3D3 face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, =
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last year using these simple instructions (shown below). No rudder =
removal. Only special tool required is a hub puller. Other =
than=20
bearing, cost less than 5$ </FONT>=20
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<DIV style=3D"CLEAR: both">David Ward<BR>dlwisme@aol.com<BR></DIV>
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[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice<BR>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 =
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text/plain;<BR>charset=3Dwindows-1252<BR><BR>Martin,=3D20<BR><BR>For =
what it=3D92s=20
worth, Whistler spent part of her life sailing the =3D<BR>salt-free =
waters of=20
Flathead Lake in Montana. She=3D92s been in Seattle =3D<BR>for a while, =
but she=20
hasn=3D92t always been a saltwater boat. She was very =3D<BR>well =
regarded on=20
Flathead and I suspect she=3D92s still in great shape. =3D<BR>That said, =
I suspect=20
an inspection of the rudder and the rudder post is =3D<BR>not a bad=20
idea.=3D20<BR><BR>Best of luck with her, she=3D92s one of the good=20
ones!=3D20<BR><BR>John Rimel<BR>Missoula, MT=3D20<BR><BR><BR><BR>> On =
Feb 4,=20
2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=3DEDn contal <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca">martin06@contal.ca</A>>=20
=3D<BR>wrote:<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Mike, I thought you were serious =
about it:=20
Basically using a line to =3D<BR>pull<BR>> and bend the shaft on its =
way out so=20
as to negotiate the rudder!=3D20<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Thanks,<BR>>=20
Martin<BR>>=3D20<BR>>=3D20<BR>> -----Original =
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement =
Advice<BR>>=3D20<BR>>=20
Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. We =
accidentally<BR>>=20
caught a line and the resulting repairs had the strut removed and=20
=3D<BR>during<BR>> that cutlass bearing and shaft replacement (due to =
wear)<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Mike<BR>> Persistence<BR>>=20
Halifax<BR>>=3D20<BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A =
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement =
Advice<BR>>=3D20<BR>>=20
Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are =
paying<BR>>=20
someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super=20
=3D<BR>expensive.<BR>> Never had to remove =
rudder<BR>>=3D20<BR>> The=20
downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft =
=3D<BR>at=20
same<BR>> place. New shift was $1200 CAD.<BR>>=3D20<BR>> =
Mike<BR>>=20
Persistence<BR>> Halifax, NS<BR>>=20
________________________________________<BR>> From: <A=20
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on behalf of Arthur Kelley<BR>> [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:akelley@optonline.net">akelley@optonline.net</A>]<BR>> =
Sent:=20
February 3, 2016 7:55 PM<BR>> To: <A=20
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Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement =
Advice<BR>>=3D20<BR>>=20
My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar=20
price.<BR>>=3D20<BR>> I replaced mine myself without removing the =
shaft.=20
Cost me about $50 I<BR>> think. This is the professional tool to do =
the job.=20
=3D<BR><A href=3D"http://www.strutpro.com/"=20
target=3D_blank>http://www.strutpro.com/</A><BR>>=3D20<BR>> If you =
poke about=20
on the Internet there are plans to build the tool<BR>> yourself. It's =
nothing=20
more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" =3D<BR>hole<BR>> (remove =
prop=20
anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the =
=3D<BR>leading<BR>>=20
side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the=20
=3D<BR>trickiest<BR>> part to size. Here is a video =3D<BR><A=20
href=3D"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DGZQHLvUUyuE#"=20
target=3D_blank>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DGZQHLvUUyuE#</A><BR>>=
;=3D20<BR>>=20
Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. =
I<BR>>=20
provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and=20
=3D<BR>sleeve<BR>> (collet) out of scraps.<BR>>=3D20<BR>> 2 set =
screws on=20
one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I =3D<BR>was<BR>> =
prepared=20
for the worst.<BR>>=3D20<BR>> I think it only took me an hour or=20
two.<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Art<BR>>=3D20<BR>> On Feb 3, 2016, at =
5:43 PM,=20
mart=3DEDn contal<BR>> <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca">martin06@contal.ca</A><<A=20
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca?">mailto:martin06@contal.ca</A>>>=
=20
wrote:<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message =
since I've=20
been having some =3D<BR>issues<BR>> with my frers-list registration. =
Hope it'll=20
work now:<BR>>=3D20<BR>> My surveyor indicated that I need to =
replace the=20
cutlass bearing and =3D<BR>the<BR>> shipyard where "austral" =
currently stays is=20
quoting me the following:<BR>>=3D20<BR>> "Remove rudder to remove =
shaft,=20
pull prop and shaft and replace =3D<BR>cutlass<BR>> bearing:12 hrs of =
labour=20
US$1,276 total ".<BR>> I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft =
without=20
removing the =3D<BR>rudder.<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Knowing that my rudder =
seems to be=20
OK and having read the many posts =3D<BR>about<BR>> rudder bearing =
issues, etc.=20
I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've =3D<BR>gone<BR>> through all =
the=20
frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well =3D<BR>as =
the<BR>> FAQs in=20
search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to=20
=3D<BR>remove<BR>> the rudder at all.<BR>>=3D20<BR>> If anyone =
who went=20
through this work could share some advice and =3D<BR>experience<BR>> =
it'll be=20
much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next =
week).<BR>>=3D20<BR>>=20
Martin<BR>>=3D20<BR>>=3D20<BR>> martin contal<BR>> : : =
austral<BR>>=20
ottawa, canada<BR>> 613 286 7189<BR>>=20
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after-white-space;" =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">Martin,&nbsp;<div=20
class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D""></div><div =
=3D<BR>class=3D3D"">For=20
what it=3D92s worth, Whistler spent part of her life =3D<BR>sailing the =
salt-free=20
waters of Flathead Lake in Montana. She=3D92s been =3D<BR>in Seattle for =
a while,=20
but she hasn=3D92t always been a saltwater boat. =3D<BR>She was very =
well regarded=20
on Flathead and I suspect she=3D92s still in =3D<BR>great shape. That =
said, I=20
suspect an inspection of the rudder and the =3D<BR>rudder post is not a =
bad=20
idea.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D3D""><br=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""></div><div class=3D3D"">Best of luck =
with her,=20
she=3D92s one of =3D<BR>the good ones!&nbsp;</div><div=20
class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D""><div =
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2;" =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">John Rimel</div><div =
style=3D3D"orphans: 2;=20
widows: 2;" =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">Missoula,=20
MT&nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D3D""><br=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""></div></div><br=20
class=3D3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BR></div><BR><br=20
class=3D3D""><div><blockquote type=3D3D"cite" =
class=3D3D""><div=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D"">On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=3DEDn contal =
&lt;<a=20
=3D<BR>href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:martin06@contal.ca"?'>mailto:martin06@contal.ca"</A>=20
class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca">martin06@contal.ca</A></a>&g=
t;=20
=3D<BR>wrote:</div><br =
class=3D3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div=20
class=3D3D"">Mike, =3D<BR>I thought you were serious about it: =
Basically using a=20
line to pull<br =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">and bend the shaft on its way =
out so as to=20
negotiate the =3D<BR>rudder! <br class=3D3D""><br=20
class=3D3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D3D"">Martin<br =
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><br=20
class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">-----Original Message-----<br=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D"">From: <a href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"?'>mailto:frers-list-ad=
min@lists.frers33.com"</A>=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists=
.frers33.com</A></a><br=20
class=3D3D"">[<a =3D<BR>href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"?'>mailto:frers-list-ad=
min@lists.frers33.com"</A>=20
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admin@lists.frers33.com</a</A>>]=20
On Behalf Of =3D<BR>Hoyt, Mike<br class=3D3D"">Sent: =
February-04-16 9:01=20
AM<br class=3D3D"">To: =3D<BR><a href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"?'>mailto:frers-list@lists.fr=
ers33.com"</A>=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
</A></a><br=20
class=3D3D"">Subject: RE: =3D<BR>[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing =
Replacement=20
Advice<br class=3D3D""><br =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">Just reread =
my last post.=20
&nbsp;Was a bit tongue in cheek. =3D<BR>&nbsp;We =
accidentally<br=20
class=3D3D"">caught a line and the resulting =3D<BR>repairs had the =
strut removed=20
and during<br class=3D3D"">that cutlass =3D<BR>bearing and shaft =
replacement=20
(due to wear)<br class=3D3D""><br =
=3D<BR>class=3D3D"">Mike<br=20
class=3D3D"">Persistence<br class=3D3D"">Halifax<br=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">-----Original =
Message-----<br=20
class=3D3D"">From: =3D<BR><a href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"?'>mailto:frers-list-ad=
min@lists.frers33.com"</A>=20
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href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists=
.frers33.com</A></a><br=20
class=3D3D"">[<a =3D<BR>href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"?'>mailto:frers-list-ad=
min@lists.frers33.com"</A>=20
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admin@lists.frers33.com</a</A>>]=20
On Behalf Of =3D<BR>Hoyt, Mike<br class=3D3D"">Sent: Wednesday, =
February 03,=20
2016 8:18 PM<br =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">To: <a href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"?'>mailto:frers-list@lists.fr=
ers33.com"</A>=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
</A></a><br=20
class=3D3D"">Subject: RE: =3D<BR>[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing =
Replacement=20
Advice<br class=3D3D""><br =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">Wrap a line =
around prop and=20
bend strut. That way while you =3D<BR>are paying<br =
class=3D3D"">someone to=20
remove strut to fix it everything is =3D<BR>easy. Also super =
expensive.<br=20
class=3D3D"">Never had to remove rudder<br =
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><br=20
class=3D3D"">The downside was that only was cutlass bearing =
=3D<BR>worn but so=20
was shaft at same<br class=3D3D"">place. New shift was $1200 =
=3D<BR>CAD.<br=20
class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">Mike<br =
class=3D3D"">Persistence<br=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D"">Halifax, NS<br=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D"">________________________________________<br=20
class=3D3D"">From: =3D<BR><a href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"?'>mailto:frers-list-ad=
min@lists.frers33.com"</A>=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists=
.frers33.com</A></a><br=20
class=3D3D"">[<a =3D<BR>href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"?'>mailto:frers-list-ad=
min@lists.frers33.com"</A>=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists=
.frers33.com</A></a>]=20
on behalf of Arthur =3D<BR>Kelley<br class=3D3D"">[<a =
href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:akelley@optonline.net"?'>mailto:akelley@optonline.net"</A>=
=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"mailto:akelley@optonline.net">akelley@optonline.net</A></a>=
]<br=20
class=3D3D"">Sent: February 3, =3D<BR>2016 7:55 PM<br =
class=3D3D"">To: <a=20
=3D<BR>href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"?'>mailto:frers-list@lists.fr=
ers33.com"</A>=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
</A></a><br=20
class=3D3D"">Subject: Re: =3D<BR>[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing =
Replacement=20
Advice<br class=3D3D""><br =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">My yard =
wanted to cut and=20
replace the shaft, but similar =3D<BR>price.<br =
class=3D3D""><br=20
class=3D3D"">I replaced mine myself without =3D<BR>removing the =
shaft. Cost me=20
about $50 I<br class=3D3D"">think. This is the =3D<BR>professional =
tool to do=20
the job. <a href=3D3D"<A href=3D"http://www.strutpro.com/"=20
target=3D_blank>http://www.strutpro.com/</A>" =3D<BR>class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"http://www.strutpro.com/</a><br"=20
target=3D_blank>http://www.strutpro.com/</a><br</A> =
class=3D3D""><br=20
class=3D3D"">If =3D<BR>you poke about on the Internet there are plans =
to build=20
the tool<br =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">yourself. &nbsp;It's nothing =
more than a=20
couple of plates, =3D<BR>one with a 1" hole<br =
class=3D3D"">(remove prop=20
anyway) and the other with =3D<BR>a 1" slot to slide over the =
leading<br=20
class=3D3D"">side. A couple of =3D<BR>hefty threaded rods and a =
sleeve, which is=20
the trickiest<br =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">part to size. Here is a video =
<a=20
=3D<BR>href=3D3D"<A =
href=3D"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DGZQHLvUUyuE#"=20
target=3D_blank>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DGZQHLvUUyuE#</A>"=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><A =
href=3D"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DGZQHLvUUyuE#</a><br"=20
target=3D_blank>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DGZQHLvUUyuE#</a>&=
lt;br</A>=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">Another club member needed =
to do the=20
same job =3D<BR>and he's a machinist. I<br class=3D3D"">provided =
the plans,=20
threaded rods =3D<BR>and nuts and he made the plates and sleeve<br=20
class=3D3D"">(collet) out of =3D<BR>scraps.<br =
class=3D3D""><br=20
class=3D3D"">2 set screws on one side, don't =3D<BR>remember which, =
came out=20
easily but I was<br class=3D3D"">prepared for the =
=3D<BR>worst.<br=20
class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">I think it only took me an hour =
or=20
=3D<BR>two.<br class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">Art<br=20
class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">On =3D<BR>Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 =
PM, mart=3DEDn=20
contal<br class=3D3D"">&lt;<a =3D<BR>href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:martin06@contal.ca"?'>mailto:martin06@contal.ca"</A>=20
class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca">martin06@contal.ca</A></a>&l=
t;<a=3D<BR>href=3D3D"<A=20
href=3D'mailto:martin06@contal.ca"?'>mailto:martin06@contal.ca"</A>=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D""><A=20
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca</a>>>?">mailto:martin06@contal.ca</a=
>&gt;&gt</A>;=20
wrote:<br class=3D3D""><br =3D<BR>class=3D3D"">Hi everyone, =
I'm re-posting=20
this message since I've been =3D<BR>having some issues<br =
class=3D3D"">with my=20
frers-list registration. Hope =3D<BR>it'll work now:<br =
class=3D3D""><br=20
class=3D3D"">My surveyor indicated that =3D<BR>I need to replace the =
cutlass=20
bearing and the<br class=3D3D"">shipyard =3D<BR>where "austral" =
currently=20
stays is quoting me the following:<br =3D<BR>class=3D3D""><br=20
class=3D3D"">"Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and =
=3D<BR>shaft and=20
replace cutlass<br class=3D3D"">bearing:12 hrs of labour =
=3D<BR>US$1,276 total=20
".<br class=3D3D"">I'm told that they cannot remove the =
=3D<BR>shaft without=20
removing the rudder.<br class=3D3D""><br =
class=3D3D"">Knowing =3D<BR>that=20
my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts about<br=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D"">rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it =
undisturbed.=20
=3D<BR>So, I've gone<br class=3D3D"">through all the frers-list =
archives since=20
=3D<BR>2004 to this date, as well as the<br class=3D3D"">FAQs in =
search of=20
tips. =3D<BR>Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to remove<br=20
class=3D3D"">the =3D<BR>rudder at all.<br class=3D3D""><br=20
class=3D3D"">If anyone who went through =3D<BR>this work could share =
some advice=20
and experience<br class=3D3D"">it'll be =3D<BR>much appreciated! =
(I need to=20
confirm go/no-go by next week).<br =3D<BR>class=3D3D""><br=20
class=3D3D"">Martin<br class=3D3D""><br =
class=3D3D""><br=20
=3D<BR>class=3D3D"">martin contal<br class=3D3D"">: : =
austral<br=20
class=3D3D"">ottawa, =3D<BR>canada<br class=3D3D"">613 286 =
7189<br=20
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