From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Feb 10 14:45:54 2020 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Hendler) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 09:45:54 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions? Message-ID: --0000000000006d36b6059e39cd18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems on Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under the starboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some permeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise. I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means long hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the bladder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering what other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration was. The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted to the bladder due to some tank configuration issues. Any suggestions would be welcome! Bill Hendler Nereid -- William D. Hendler wdhendler@gmail.com Mobile: 516-635-1179 --0000000000006d36b6059e39cd18 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the se= ptic systems on Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta = bladder under the starboard=C2=A0side of the v-Berth. I think we are starti= ng to get some permeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cru= ise.=C2=A0

I wouldn't mind changing the configuratio= n. The current location means long hose runs to and from the head and pumpo= ut fitting. It looks like the bladder would fit ok under the port side of t= he v-berth, but I was wondering what other solutions exist. I have no idea = what the original configuration=C2=A0was. The PO tried to fit a hard tank u= nder the sink in the head, but reverted to the bladder due to some tank con= figuration issues.

Any suggestions would be welcom= e!

Bill Hendler
Nereid
=

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William D. Hendler
wdhendler@gmail.com
Mobile: 516-635-1179
--0000000000006d36b6059e39cd18-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Feb 10 16:21:05 2020 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (John Aquino) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:21:05 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e601d5e02e$1885ff90$4991feb0$@comcast.net> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01D5E004.2FAFF790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The situation was altered on Moose before we purchased her. =20 The head is an electric =E2=80=9CMarine Elegance=E2=80=9D unit mounted = fore and aft. To accommodate this layout the sink was removed and = pressurized water was added. We miss the sink but fore and aft for the = head is definitely better if you want to use the head sailing upwind. = The electric pump is remarkably effective. =20 The holding tank is under the v-berth on the port side. It is rigid. I = am not sure of the capacity although it is approximately the same as the = fresh water supply. There is a deck plate forward for pump out and the = vent line is also led forward. There is a through hull seacock with a = manual pump just aft of the tank. =20 We have not had any odor issues. =20 John Aquino Moose =20 From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com On Behalf Of Bill Hendler Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 9:46 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions? =20 Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems = on Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder = under the starboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get = some permeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise.=20 =20 I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means = long hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like = the bladder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was = wondering what other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original = configuration was. The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the = head, but reverted to the bladder due to some tank configuration issues. =20 Any suggestions would be welcome! =20 Bill Hendler Nereid =20 --=20 William D. Hendler wdhendler@gmail.com =20 Mobile: 516-635-1179 ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01D5E004.2FAFF790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The = situation was altered on Moose before we purchased her.

 

The head is = an electric =E2=80=9CMarine Elegance=E2=80=9D unit mounted fore and aft. = To accommodate this layout the sink was removed and pressurized water = was added. We miss the sink but fore and aft for the head is definitely = better if you want to use the head sailing upwind. The electric pump is = remarkably effective.

 

The holding = tank is under the v-berth on the port side. It is rigid. I am not sure = of the capacity although it is approximately the same as the fresh water = supply. There is a deck plate forward for pump out and the vent line is = also led forward. There is a through hull seacock with a manual pump = just aft of the tank.

 

We have not = had any odor issues.

 

John = Aquino

Moose

 

From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com On Behalf Of Bill = Hendler
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 9:46 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Holding tank = configuration- suggestions?

 

Hi All- = we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems on Nereid = (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under the = starboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some = permeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to = cruise. 

 

I = wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means = long hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like = the bladder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was = wondering what other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original = configuration was. The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink = in the head, but reverted to the bladder due to some tank configuration = issues.

 

Any suggestions would be = welcome!

 

Bill Hendler

Nereid

 

-- =

William D. = Hendler

Mobile: = 516-635-1179

------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01D5E004.2FAFF790-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 11 20:15:51 2020 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (David Nauber) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1083755763.1521679.1581452151900@mail.yahoo.com> ------=_Part_1521678_581576767.1581452151898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill, I had a bladder installed under the port side V-berth. no issues. Dave On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:07 AM EST, Bill Hendler wrote: =20 =20 Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems on = Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under th= e starboard=C2=A0side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some p= ermeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise.=C2=A0 I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means long= hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the blad= der would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering wh= at other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration=C2= =A0was. The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the head, but rev= erted to the bladder due to some tank configuration issues. Any suggestions would be welcome! Bill HendlerNereid --=20 William D. Hendlerwdhendler@gmail.comMobile: 516-635-1179 =20 ------=_Part_1521678_581576767.1581452151898 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bill,

I= had a bladder installed under the port side V-berth. no issues.

Dave

=20
=20
On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:07 AM EST, Bill Hen= dler <wdhendler@gmail.com> wrote:


= Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems on N= ereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under the= starboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some pe= rmeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise. 
I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current locati= on means long hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks = like the bladder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was= wondering what other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original con= figuration was. The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the = head, but reverted to the bladder due to some tank configuration issues.

Any suggestions would be welcome!

Bill Hendler
Nereid

--
William D. Hendler
Mobile: 5= 16-635-1179
------=_Part_1521678_581576767.1581452151898-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Feb 14 00:43:34 2020 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Richard Saunders) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 00:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1656975963.1997433.1581641014413@mail.yahoo.com> ------=_Part_1997432_865920278.1581641014412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform unde= r the v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner.=C2=A0 I re= placed it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the ope= ning to wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n L= ock toilet. I=C2=A0 have=C2=A0 Y valve to either direct output straight ove= rboard or into the tank.=C2=A0 The tank can only be pumped through the deck= fitting.=C2=A0 Dick SaundersOut of Reach, Hull#17 On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler wrote: =20 =20 Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems on = Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under th= e starboard=C2=A0side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some p= ermeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise.=C2=A0 I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means long= hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the blad= der would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering wh= at other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration=C2= =A0was. The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the head, but rev= erted to the bladder due to some tank configuration issues. Any suggestions would be welcome! Bill HendlerNereid --=20 William D. Hendlerwdhendler@gmail.comMobile: 516-635-1179 =20 ------=_Part_1997432_865920278.1581641014412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a= built in platform under the v-berth on the port side. I was the third or f= ourth owner.  I replaced it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a sm= all vee slit in the opening to wrestle it through to the platform. I put in= a new Jabsco Twist n Lock toilet. I  have  Y valve to either dir= ect output straight overboard or into the tank.  The tank can only be = pumped through the deck fitting. 

= Dick Saunders
Out of Reach, Hull#17

=20
=20
On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hen= dler <wdhendler@gmail.com> wrote:


H= i All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems on Ne= reid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under the = starboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some per= meation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise. 
I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current locatio= n means long hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks l= ike the bladder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was = wondering what other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original conf= iguration was. The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the h= ead, but reverted to the bladder due to some tank configuration issues.

Any suggestions would be welcome!

Bill Hendler
Nereid

--
=
William D. Hendler
Mobile: 51= 6-635-1179
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text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Brian, thanks for the effort! =20 Other areas may be able to leverage this decision as well.=20 Art > On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Brian Higgins wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------- Original message -------- > From: Brian Higgins > Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS >=20 > Important race info at the bottom, read all the way through!=20 >=20 > Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't aware yet, but ba= ck in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating for the Frers 33= (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test of time and was n= o longer as competitive against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats tha= t we are frequently racing against as it once was especially since we need m= ore coordinated and skilled crew than they do all things being equal with a M= asthead symmetrical rig, and lighter boats like the J92 which level rate wit= h us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and thus can sail with fewer c= rew while being typically faster on the water off the wind /downwind. =20 >=20 >=20 > The good news is I just received was confirmation from YRA that tonight af= ter having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level or near level ra= ted boats over the winter break, they concluded that they are in agreement w= ith me and as such have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the first= time in its history! =20 >=20 > The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward as well as distance= races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating. That should help na= rrow the performance gap between some of the newer sport boats or big ~40ft c= ruising hulls that we always level rate with.=20 >=20 > Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race in Western Long Is= land Sound? =F0=9F=98=81 >=20 > --- >=20 > Also not formally announced yet, but now officially happening, Cedar Point= is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a party on the 7th. I= t will be a new distance race with a 101nm short course, and a 151nm long co= urse, both entirely within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements f= or costly life rafts or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard. In other word= s, this race is going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equival= ent to the vineyard race in points, open to boats with PHRF ratings under 12= 0, And will be significantly cheaper to compete in without safety at sea and= other safety requirements imposed by exiting Long Island Sound. Entries sho= uld be available on yacht scoring starting in the next couple of weeks. >=20 > Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and I hope to see sev= eral of you on the water as well. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >=20 >=20 > -------- Original message -------- > From: Richard Saunders > Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions? >=20 > Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform unde= r the v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner. I replaced= it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the opening to= wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lock toil= et. I have Y valve to either direct output straight overboard or into the t= ank. The tank can only be pumped through the deck fitting.=20 >=20 > Dick Saunders > Out of Reach, Hull#17 >=20 > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems on N= ereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under the s= tarboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some permeation= problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise.=20 >=20 > I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means lon= g hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the blad= der would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering wha= t other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration was.= The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted to= the bladder due to some tank configuration issues. >=20 > Any suggestions would be welcome! >=20 > Bill Hendler > Nereid >=20 > --=20 > William D. Hendler > wdhendler@gmail.com > Mobile: 516-635-1179 >=20 > =20 >=20 > This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials.= Click here to report this email as spam. >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials.= Click here to report this email as spam. --Apple-Mail-268FFE0E-706A-4E56-87C4-C8889D206399 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Brian, thanks for the effort! &nb= sp;

Other areas may be able to leverage this decision as w= ell. 

Art

On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Brian Higgins <brian@sailing= it.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117!



Sent from my Samsun= g Galaxy smartphone.



-------- Original message --------
From: Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com>
Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS

Important race info at the bottom, read all the way throug= h! 

Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't a= ware yet, but back in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating f= or the Frers 33 (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test of= time and was no longer as competitive against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats that we are frequently rac= ing against as it once was especially since we need more coordinated and ski= lled crew than they do all things being equal with a Masthead symmetrical ri= g, and lighter boats like the J92 which level rate with us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and t= hus can sail with fewer crew while being typically faster on the water off t= he wind /downwind.  


The good news is I just received was confirmation from YRA= that tonight after having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level o= r near level rated boats over the winter break, they concluded that they are= in agreement with me and as such have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the first time in its histo= ry!  

The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward as w= ell as distance races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating. = That should help narrow the performance gap between some of the newer sport= boats or big ~40ft cruising hulls that we always level rate with. 

Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race in= Western Long Island Sound?  =F0=9F=98=81

---

Also not formally announced yet, but now officially happen= ing, Cedar Point is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a part= y on the 7th.  It will be a new distance race with a 101nm short course= , and a 151nm long course, both entirely within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements for costly life raft= s or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard.  In other words, this race i= s going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equivalent to the vin= eyard race in points, open to boats with PHRF ratings under 120, And will be significantly cheaper to compete i= n without safety at sea and other safety requirements imposed by exiting Lon= g Island Sound. Entries should be available on yacht scoring starting in the= next couple of weeks.

Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and I= hope to see several of you on the water as well.




Sent from my Samsun= g Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Saunders <rhsaund@yahoo.com>
Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions?

Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform under t= he v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner.  I replac= ed it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the opening t= o wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lock toilet. I  have  Y valve to ei= ther direct output straight overboard or into the tank.  The tank can o= nly be pumped through the deck fitting. 

Dick Saunders
Out of Reach, Hull#17

On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler <wdhendl= er@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the sep= tic systems on Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bl= adder under the starboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting t= o get some permeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise. 

I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means l= ong hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the bl= adder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering w= hat other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration was. The PO tried to fit a= hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted to the bladder due to so= me tank configuration issues.

Any suggestions would be welcome!

Bill Hendler
Nereid

--
William D. Hendler
Mobile: 516-635-1179

 

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quoted-printable Great work Brian! On Thursday, February 13, 2020, 11:47:07 PM EST, Brian Higgins wrote: =20 =20 Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117! Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Brian Higgins = Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00) To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subjec= t: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS=20 Important race info at the bottom, read all the way through!=C2=A0 Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't aware yet, but bac= k in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating for the Frers 33= (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test of time and was = no longer as competitive against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats t= hat we are frequently racing against as it once was especially since we nee= d more coordinated and skilled crew than they do all things being equal wit= h a Masthead symmetrical rig, and lighter boats like the J92 which level ra= te with us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and thus can sail with= fewer crew while being typically faster on the water off the wind /downwin= d.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The good news is I just received was confirmation from YRA that tonight aft= er having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level or near level ra= ted boats over the winter break, they concluded that they are in agreement = with me and as such have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the fir= st time in its history!=C2=A0=C2=A0 The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward as well as distance = races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating.=C2=A0 That should he= lp narrow the performance gap between some of the newer sport boats or big = ~40ft cruising hulls that we always level rate with.=C2=A0 Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race in Western Long Isl= and Sound?=C2=A0 =F0=9F=98=81 --- Also not formally announced yet, but now officially happening, Cedar Point = is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a party on the 7th.=C2= =A0 It will be a new distance race with a 101nm short course, and a 151nm l= ong course, both entirely within long Island sound to eliminate any require= ments for costly life rafts or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard.=C2=A0 = In other words, this race is going to count as a full 4 point major distanc= e race equivalent to the vineyard race in points, open to boats with PHRF r= atings under 120, And will be significantly cheaper to compete in without s= afety at sea and other safety requirements imposed by exiting Long Island S= ound. Entries should be available on yacht scoring starting in the next cou= ple of weeks. Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and I hope to see seve= ral of you on the water as well. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Richard Saunders Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subjec= t: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions?=20 Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform under= the v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner.=C2=A0 I rep= laced it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the open= ing to wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lo= ck toilet. I=C2=A0 have=C2=A0 Y valve to either direct output straight over= board or into the tank.=C2=A0 The tank can only be pumped through the deck = fitting.=C2=A0 Dick SaundersOut of Reach, Hull#17 On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler wrote: Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems on N= ereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under the= starboard=C2=A0side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some pe= rmeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise.=C2=A0 I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means long= hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the blad= der would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering wh= at other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration=C2= =A0was. The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the head, but rev= erted to the bladder due to some tank configuration issues. Any suggestions would be welcome! Bill HendlerNereid --=20 William D. Hendlerwdhendler@gmail.comMobile: 516-635-1179 =C2=A0 This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials. = Clickhere to report this email as spam. =C2=A0 This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials. = Clickhere to report this email as spam. =20 ------=_Part_2284526_41842227.1581712957079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Thursday, February 13, 2020, 11:47:07 PM EST, Brian = Higgins <brian@sailingit.com> wrote:


Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117!



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy sma= rtphone.



-------- Original message --------
From: Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com>
Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS

Important race info at the bottom, read all the way = through! 

Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't aware yet, bu= t back in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating for the Fre= rs 33 (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test of time and= was no longer as competitive against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats that we are frequently ra= cing against as it once was especially since we need more coordinated and s= killed crew than they do all things being equal with a Masthead symmetrical= rig, and lighter boats like the J92 which level rate with us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and= thus can sail with fewer crew while being typically faster on the water of= f the wind /downwind.  


The good news is I just received was confirmation from YRA that tonigh= t after having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level or near lev= el rated boats over the winter break, they concluded that they are in agree= ment with me and as such have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the first time in its hist= ory!  

The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward as well as dist= ance races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating.  That shou= ld help narrow the performance gap between some of the newer sport boats or= big ~40ft cruising hulls that we always level rate with. 

Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race in Western Lon= g Island Sound?  =F0=9F=98=81

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Also not formally announced yet, but now officially happening, Cedar P= oint is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a party on the 7t= h.  It will be a new distance race with a 101nm short course, and a 15= 1nm long course, both entirely within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements for costly life raf= ts or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard.  In other words, this race= is going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equivalent to the = vineyard race in points, open to boats with PHRF ratings under 120, And will be significantly cheaper to compete = in without safety at sea and other safety requirements imposed by exiting L= ong Island Sound. Entries should be available on yacht scoring starting in = the next couple of weeks.

Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and I hope to see= several of you on the water as well.




Sent from my Samsung Galaxy sma= rtphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Saunders <rhsaund@yahoo.com>
Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions?

Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform under= the v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner.  I rep= laced it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the open= ing to wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lock toilet. I  have  Y valve to e= ither direct output straight overboard or into the tank.  The tank can= only be pumped through the deck fitting. 

Dick Saunders
Out of Reach, Hull#17

On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler <wdhend= ler@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the se= ptic systems on Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta = bladder under the starboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starti= ng to get some permeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise. 

I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means= long hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the= bladder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wonderi= ng what other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration was. The PO tried to fit= a hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted to the bladder due to= some tank configuration issues.

Any suggestions would be welcome!

Bill Hendler
Nereid

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William D. Hendler
Mobile: 516-635-1179

 

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------=_Part_2284526_41842227.1581712957079-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Feb 17 19:48:05 2020 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Jay Raymond) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 13:48:05 -0600 Subject: [frers-list]RE: PHRF - YRALIS Message-ID: --00000000000016c684059ecad6a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thank you Brian! Do you have any documentation from YRALIS that I may be able to use when taking this to the Lake Michigan PHRF (LMPHRF)? They've got us nailed with a base rating of 108. On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM wrote: > Send frers-list mailing list submissions to > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: PHRF - YRALIS (Art Kelley) > 2. RE: PHRF - YRALIS (Hoyt, Mike) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: Art Kelley > Subject: Re: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:11:09 -0500 > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > > --Apple-Mail-268FFE0E-706A-4E56-87C4-C8889D206399 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Well done Brian, thanks for the effort! =20 > > Other areas may be able to leverage this decision as well.=20 > > Art > > > On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Brian Higgins wrote: > >=20 > > =EF=BB=BF > > Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117! > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Brian Higgins > > Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS > >=20 > > Important race info at the bottom, read all the way through!=20 > >=20 > > Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't aware yet, but > ba= > ck in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating for the Frers > 33= > (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test of time and was > n= > o longer as competitive against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats > tha= > t we are frequently racing against as it once was especially since we need > m= > ore coordinated and skilled crew than they do all things being equal with > a M= > asthead symmetrical rig, and lighter boats like the J92 which level rate > wit= > h us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and thus can sail with > fewer c= > rew while being typically faster on the water off the wind /downwind. =20 > >=20 > >=20 > > The good news is I just received was confirmation from YRA that tonight > af= > ter having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level or near level > ra= > ted boats over the winter break, they concluded that they are in agreement > w= > ith me and as such have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the > first= > time in its history! =20 > >=20 > > The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward as well as > distance= > races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating. That should help > na= > rrow the performance gap between some of the newer sport boats or big > ~40ft c= > ruising hulls that we always level rate with.=20 > >=20 > > Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race in Western Long > Is= > land Sound? =F0=9F=98=81 > >=20 > > --- > >=20 > > Also not formally announced yet, but now officially happening, Cedar > Point= > is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a party on the 7th. > I= > t will be a new distance race with a 101nm short course, and a 151nm long > co= > urse, both entirely within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements > f= > or costly life rafts or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard. In other > word= > s, this race is going to count as a full 4 point major distance race > equival= > ent to the vineyard race in points, open to boats with PHRF ratings under > 12= > 0, And will be significantly cheaper to compete in without safety at sea > and= > other safety requirements imposed by exiting Long Island Sound. Entries > sho= > uld be available on yacht scoring starting in the next couple of weeks. > >=20 > > Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and I hope to see > sev= > eral of you on the water as well. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > >=20 > >=20 > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Richard Saunders > > Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions? > >=20 > > Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform > unde= > r the v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner. I > replaced= > it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the opening > to= > wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lock > toil= > et. I have Y valve to either direct output straight overboard or into > the t= > ank. The tank can only be pumped through the deck fitting.=20 > >=20 > > Dick Saunders > > Out of Reach, Hull#17 > >=20 > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler > il.com> wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems > on N= > ereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under > the s= > tarboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some > permeation= > problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise.=20 > >=20 > > I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means > lon= > g hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the > blad= > der would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering > wha= > t other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration > was.= > The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted > to= > the bladder due to some tank configuration issues. > >=20 > > Any suggestions would be welcome! > >=20 > > Bill Hendler > > Nereid > >=20 > > --=20 > > William D. Hendler > > wdhendler@gmail.com > > Mobile: 516-635-1179 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint > Essentials.= > Click here to report this email as spam. > >=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint > Essentials.= > Click here to report this email as spam. > > --Apple-Mail-268FFE0E-706A-4E56-87C4-C8889D206399 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > charset=3D= > utf-8">Well done Brian, thanks for the effort! > &nb= > sp;

Other areas may be able to leverage this decision > as w= > ell. 

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From: Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com>
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Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
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To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS
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Important race info at the bottom, read all the way > throug= > h! 
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Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't > a= > ware yet, but back in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base > rating f= > or the Frers 33 (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test > of= > time and was no longer as competitive > against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats that we are frequently > rac= > ing against as it once was especially since we need more coordinated and > ski= > lled crew than they do all things being equal with a Masthead symmetrical > ri= > g, and lighter boats like the > J92 which level rate with us have asym kites and fractional headsails, > and t= > hus can sail with fewer crew while being typically faster on the water off > t= > he wind /downwind.  
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The good news is I just received was confirmation from > YRA= > that tonight after having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other > level o= > r near level rated boats over the winter break, they concluded that they > are= > in agreement with me and as such > have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the first time in its > histo= > ry!  
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The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward > as w= > ell as distance races, a 3 second change from the original 111 > rating. = > That should help narrow the performance gap between some of the newer > sport= > boats or big ~40ft cruising hulls > that we always level rate with. 
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Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race > in= > Western Long Island Sound?  =F0=9F=98=81
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Also not formally announced yet, but now officially > happen= > ing, Cedar Point is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a > part= > y on the 7th.  It will be a new distance race with a 101nm short > course= > , and a 151nm long course, both entirely > within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements for costly life > raft= > s or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard.  In other words, this race > i= > s going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equivalent to the > vin= > eyard race in points, open to boats > with PHRF ratings under 120, And will be significantly cheaper to compete > i= > n without safety at sea and other safety requirements imposed by exiting > Lon= > g Island Sound. Entries should be available on yacht scoring starting in > the= > next couple of weeks.
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Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and > I= > hope to see several of you on the water as well.
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Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the > sep= > tic systems on Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta > bl= > adder under the starboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are > starting t= > o get some permeation problems, and > the odors are making it hard to cruise.  >

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I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location > means l= > ong hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the > bl= > adder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering > w= > hat other solutions exist. I > have no idea what the original configuration was. The PO tried to > fit a= > hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted to the bladder due to > so= > me tank configuration issues.
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Thank you Brian! Do you have any documentation from= =C2=A0YRALIS that I may be able to use when taking this to the Lake Michiga= n PHRF (LMPHRF)?=C2=A0 They've got us nailed with a base rating of 108.=

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=C2=A0 =C2=A01. Re: PHRF - YRALIS (Art Kelley)
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From: Art Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:11:09 -0500
To: frers= -list@lists.frers33.com
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Well done Brian, thanks for the effort! =3D20

Other areas may be able to leverage this decision as well.=3D20

Art

> On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com> wrote:
>=3D20
> =3DEF=3DBB=3DBF
> Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117!
>=3D20
>=3D20
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> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com>
> Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS
>=3D20
> Important race info at the bottom, read all the way through!=3D20
>=3D20
> Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't aware yet= , but ba=3D
ck in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating for the Frers 3= 3=3D
=C2=A0(originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test of time and= was n=3D
o longer as competitive against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats th= a=3D
t we are frequently racing against as it once was especially since we need = m=3D
ore coordinated and skilled crew than they do all things being equal with a= M=3D
asthead symmetrical rig, and lighter boats like the J92 which level rate wi= t=3D
h us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and thus can sail with fewer= c=3D
rew while being typically faster on the water off the wind /downwind. =3D20=
>=3D20
>=3D20
> The good news is I just received was confirmation from YRA that tonigh= t af=3D
ter having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level or near level r= a=3D
ted boats over the winter break, they concluded that they are in agreement = w=3D
ith me and as such have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the firs= t=3D
=C2=A0time in its history! =3D20
>=3D20
> The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward as well as dist= ance=3D
=C2=A0races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating.=C2=A0 That sho= uld help na=3D
rrow the performance gap between some of the newer sport boats or big ~40ft= c=3D
ruising hulls that we always level rate with.=3D20
>=3D20
> Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race in Western= Long Is=3D
land Sound?=C2=A0 =3DF0=3D9F=3D98=3D81
>=3D20
> ---
>=3D20
> Also not formally announced yet, but now officially happening, Cedar P= oint=3D
=C2=A0is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a party on the 7= th.=C2=A0 I=3D
t will be a new distance race with a 101nm short course, and a 151nm long c= o=3D
urse, both entirely within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements = f=3D
or costly life rafts or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard.=C2=A0 In othe= r word=3D
s, this race is going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equiva= l=3D
ent to the vineyard race in points, open to boats with PHRF ratings under 1= 2=3D
0, And will be significantly cheaper to compete in without safety at sea an= d=3D
=C2=A0other safety requirements imposed by exiting Long Island Sound. Entri= es sho=3D
uld be available on yacht scoring starting in the next couple of weeks.
>=3D20
> Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and I hope to see= sev=3D
eral of you on the water as well.
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> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Richard Saunders <rhsaund@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions?
>=3D20
> Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform = unde=3D
r the v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner.=C2=A0 I re= placed=3D
=C2=A0it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the open= ing to=3D
=C2=A0wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Loc= k toil=3D
et. I=C2=A0 have=C2=A0 Y valve to either direct output straight overboard o= r into the t=3D
ank.=C2=A0 The tank can only be pumped through the deck fitting.=3D20
>=3D20
> Dick Saunders
> Out of Reach, Hull#17
>=3D20
> On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler <wdhend= ler@gma=3D
il.com&g= t; wrote:
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>=3D20
> Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems= on N=3D
ereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under the= s=3D
tarboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some permeatio= n=3D
=C2=A0problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise.=3D20
>=3D20
> I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location m= eans lon=3D
g hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the bla= d=3D
der would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering wh= a=3D
t other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration was= .=3D
=C2=A0The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the head, but rever= ted to=3D
=C2=A0the bladder due to some tank configuration issues.
>=3D20
> Any suggestions would be welcome!
>=3D20
> Bill Hendler
> Nereid
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> --=3D20
> William D. Hendler
> wdhendler@gma= il.com
> Mobile: 516-635-1179
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D3D"auto">Well done = Brian, thanks for the effort! &nb=3D
sp;<div><br></div><div>Other areas may be able to l= everage this decision as w=3D
ell.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D3D"ltr">Art<= ;/div><div dir=3D3D"ltr"><br><blockquote=3D
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it.com&a= mp;gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockqu= ote type=3D3D"cite"><div d=3D
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<div dir=3D3D"auto">Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating = is 114, not 117!</d=3D
iv>
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<div>From: Brian Higgins &lt;brian@sailingit.com&gt; </div>
<div>Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com </div>
<div>Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS </div>
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</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">Important race info at the bottom, read= all the way throug=3D
h!&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">Unless you read the November minutes yo= u probably aren't a=3D
ware yet, but back in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating= f=3D
or the Frers 33 (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test o= f=3D
=C2=A0time and was no longer as competitive
=C2=A0against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats that we are frequent= ly rac=3D
ing against as it once was especially since we need more coordinated and sk= i=3D
lled crew than they do all things being equal with a Masthead symmetrical r= i=3D
g, and lighter boats like the
=C2=A0J92 which level rate with us have asym kites and fractional headsails= , and t=3D
hus can sail with fewer crew while being typically faster on the water off = t=3D
he wind /downwind.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
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<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">The good news is I just received was co= nfirmation from YRA=3D
=C2=A0that tonight after having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other = level o=3D
r near level rated boats over the winter break, they concluded that they ar= e=3D
=C2=A0in agreement with me and as such
=C2=A0have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the first time in its= histo=3D
ry!&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">The new YRALIS base is 117 for both win= dward / leeward as w=3D
ell as distance races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating.&= nbsp;=3D
=C2=A0That should help narrow the performance gap between some of the newer= sport=3D
=C2=A0boats or big ~40ft cruising hulls
=C2=A0that we always level rate with.&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">Really what I'm trying to say is wh= o wants to come race in=3D
=C2=A0Western Long Island Sound?&nbsp; =3DF0=3D9F=3D98=3D81</div>=
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<div dir=3D3D"auto">Also not formally announced yet, but no= w officially happen=3D
ing, Cedar Point is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a par= t=3D
y on the 7th.&nbsp; It will be a new distance race with a 101nm short c= ourse=3D
, and a 151nm long course, both entirely
=C2=A0within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements for costly lif= e raft=3D
s or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard.&nbsp; In other words, this r= ace i=3D
s going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equivalent to the vi= n=3D
eyard race in points, open to boats
=C2=A0with PHRF ratings under 120, And will be significantly cheaper to com= pete i=3D
n without safety at sea and other safety requirements imposed by exiting Lo= n=3D
g Island Sound. Entries should be available on yacht scoring starting in th= e=3D
=C2=A0next couple of weeks.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">Southern Cross will be competing in the= long course, and I=3D
=C2=A0hope to see several of you on the water as well.</div>
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<div>From: Richard Saunders &lt;rhsaund@yahoo.com&gt; </div>
<div>Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions= ? </div=3D
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Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform under= t=3D
he v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner.&nbsp; I r= eplac=3D
ed it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the opening= t=3D
o wrestle it through to the platform.
=C2=A0I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lock toilet. I&nbsp; have&nbsp;= Y valve to ei=3D
ther direct output straight overboard or into the tank.&nbsp; The tank = can o=3D
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Dick Saunders</div>
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<i>Out of Reach</i>, Hull#17</div>
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<div>On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler &= ;lt;wdhendl=3D
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<div dir=3D3D"ltr">Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet = and replace the sep=3D
tic systems on Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta b= l=3D
adder under the starboard&nbsp;side of the v-Berth. I think we are star= ting t=3D
o get some permeation problems, and
=C2=A0the odors are making it hard to cruise.&nbsp;
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<div>I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current loca= tion means l=3D
ong hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the b= l=3D
adder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering = w=3D
hat other solutions exist. I
=C2=A0have no idea what the original configuration&nbsp;was. The PO tri= ed to fit a=3D
=C2=A0hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted to the bladder due= to so=3D
me tank configuration issues.</div>
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<div>Any suggestions would be welcome!</div>
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<div>Bill Hendler</div>
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--00000000000016c684059ecad6a7-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Feb 17 20:17:50 2020 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Brian Higgins) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 20:17:50 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]RE: PHRF - YRALIS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --_000_MN2PR16MB3279EAE4EC747D0A08570B07A9160MN2PR16MB3279namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When they publish the meeting minutes (yralis.org) you should be able to fi= nd the notes of the change. Might need both the November and February minu= tes since they didn't make a decision the same meeting I went there. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Jay Raymond Date: 2/17/20 2:49 PM (GMT-05:00) To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]RE: PHRF - YRALIS Thank you Brian! Do you have any documentation from YRALIS that I may be ab= le to use when taking this to the Lake Michigan PHRF (LMPHRF)? They've got= us nailed with a base rating of 108. On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM > wrote: Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PHRF - YRALIS (Art Kelley) 2. RE: PHRF - YRALIS (Hoyt, Mike) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Art Kelley > Subject: Re: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:11:09 -0500 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com --Apple-Mail-268FFE0E-706A-4E56-87C4-C8889D206399 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Brian, thanks for the effort! =3D20 Other areas may be able to leverage this decision as well.=3D20 Art > On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Brian Higgins > wrote: >=3D20 > =3DEF=3DBB=3DBF > Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117! >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > -------- Original message -------- > From: Brian Higgins > > Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS >=3D20 > Important race info at the bottom, read all the way through!=3D20 >=3D20 > Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't aware yet, but b= a=3D ck in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating for the Frers 3= 3=3D (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test of time and was = n=3D o longer as competitive against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats th= a=3D t we are frequently racing against as it once was especially since we need = m=3D ore coordinated and skilled crew than they do all things being equal with a= M=3D asthead symmetrical rig, and lighter boats like the J92 which level rate wi= t=3D h us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and thus can sail with fewer= c=3D rew while being typically faster on the water off the wind /downwind. =3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > The good news is I just received was confirmation from YRA that tonight a= f=3D ter having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level or near level r= a=3D ted boats over the winter break, they concluded that they are in agreement = w=3D ith me and as such have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the firs= t=3D time in its history! =3D20 >=3D20 > The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward as well as distanc= e=3D races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating. That should help n= a=3D rrow the performance gap between some of the newer sport boats or big ~40ft= c=3D ruising hulls that we always level rate with.=3D20 >=3D20 > Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race in Western Long I= s=3D land Sound? =3DF0=3D9F=3D98=3D81 >=3D20 > --- >=3D20 > Also not formally announced yet, but now officially happening, Cedar Poin= t=3D is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a party on the 7th. = I=3D t will be a new distance race with a 101nm short course, and a 151nm long c= o=3D urse, both entirely within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements = f=3D or costly life rafts or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard. In other wor= d=3D s, this race is going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equiva= l=3D ent to the vineyard race in points, open to boats with PHRF ratings under 1= 2=3D 0, And will be significantly cheaper to compete in without safety at sea an= d=3D other safety requirements imposed by exiting Long Island Sound. Entries sh= o=3D uld be available on yacht scoring starting in the next couple of weeks. >=3D20 > Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and I hope to see se= v=3D eral of you on the water as well. >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >=3D20 >=3D20 > -------- Original message -------- > From: Richard Saunders > > Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions? >=3D20 > Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform und= e=3D r the v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner. I replace= d=3D it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the opening t= o=3D wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lock toi= l=3D et. I have Y valve to either direct output straight overboard or into the= t=3D ank. The tank can only be pumped through the deck fitting.=3D20 >=3D20 > Dick Saunders > Out of Reach, Hull#17 >=3D20 > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler > wrote: >=3D20 >=3D20 > Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems on= N=3D ereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under the= s=3D tarboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some permeatio= n=3D problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise.=3D20 >=3D20 > I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means lo= n=3D g hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the bla= d=3D der would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering wh= a=3D t other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration was= .=3D The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted t= o=3D the bladder due to some tank configuration issues. >=3D20 > Any suggestions would be welcome! >=3D20 > Bill Hendler > Nereid >=3D20 > --=3D20 > William D. Hendler > wdhendler@gmail.com > Mobile: 516-635-1179 >=3D20 > =3D20 >=3D20 > This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials= .=3D Click here to report this email as spam. >=3D20 >=3D20 > =3D20 >=3D20 > This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials= .=3D Click here to report this email as spam. --Apple-Mail-268FFE0E-706A-4E56-87C4-C8889D206399 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dutf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Brian, thanks for the effort! = &nb=3D sp;

Other areas may be able to leverage this decision as= w=3D ell. 

Art

On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Brian Higgins <brian@sail= ing=3D it.com> wrote:

=3DEF=3DBB=3DBF
Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117!=



Sent from my S= amsun=3D g Galaxy smartphone.



-------- Original message --------
From: Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com>
Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =
Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS

Important race info at the bottom, read all the way thr= oug=3D h! 

Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren'= t a=3D ware yet, but back in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating= f=3D or the Frers 33 (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test o= f=3D time and was no longer as competitive against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats that we are frequently ra= c=3D ing against as it once was especially since we need more coordinated and sk= i=3D lled crew than they do all things being equal with a Masthead symmetrical r= i=3D g, and lighter boats like the J92 which level rate with us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and= t=3D hus can sail with fewer crew while being typically faster on the water off = t=3D he wind /downwind.  


The good news is I just received was confirmation from = YRA=3D that tonight after having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level= o=3D r near level rated boats over the winter break, they concluded that they ar= e=3D in agreement with me and as such have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the first time in its hist= o=3D ry!  

The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward = as w=3D ell as distance races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating. = ;=3D That should help narrow the performance gap between some of the newer spor= t=3D boats or big ~40ft cruising hulls that we always level rate with. 

Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race= in=3D Western Long Island Sound?  =3DF0=3D9F=3D98=3D81

---

Also not formally announced yet, but now officially hap= pen=3D ing, Cedar Point is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a par= t=3D y on the 7th.  It will be a new distance race with a 101nm short cours= e=3D , and a 151nm long course, both entirely within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements for costly life raf= t=3D s or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard.  In other words, this race = i=3D s going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equivalent to the vi= n=3D eyard race in points, open to boats with PHRF ratings under 120, And will be significantly cheaper to compete = i=3D n without safety at sea and other safety requirements imposed by exiting Lo= n=3D g Island Sound. Entries should be available on yacht scoring starting in th= e=3D next couple of weeks.

Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, an= d I=3D hope to see several of you on the water as well.




Sent from my S= amsun=3D g Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Saunders <rhsaund@yahoo.com>
Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com =
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions?

Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform under= t=3D he v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner.  I repla= c=3D ed it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the opening= t=3D o wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lock toilet. I  have  Y valve to e= i=3D ther direct output straight overboard or into the tank.  The tank can = o=3D nly be pumped through the deck fitting. 

Dick Saunders
Out of Reach, Hull#17

On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler <wdhend= l=3D er@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the = sep=3D tic systems on Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta b= l=3D adder under the starboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting= t=3D o get some permeation problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise. 

I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means= l=3D ong hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the b= l=3D adder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering = w=3D hat other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration was. The PO tried to fit= a=3D hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted to the bladder due to s= o=3D me tank configuration issues.

Any suggestions would be welcome!

Bill Hendler
Nereid

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Mobile: 516-635-1179

 

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When they publish the meeting minutes (yralis.org) you sh= ould be able to find the notes of the change.  Might need both the Nov= ember and February minutes since they didn't make a decision the same meeti= ng I went there. 



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From: Jay Raymond <jay.g.raymond@gmail.com>
Date: 2/17/20 2:49 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]RE: PHRF - YRALIS

Thank you Brian! Do you have any documentation from YRALIS that I= may be able to use when taking this to the Lake Michigan PHRF (LMPHRF)?&nb= sp; They've got us nailed with a base rating of 108.

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   1. Re: PHRF - YRALIS (Art Kelley)
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From: Art Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:11:09 -0500
To: frers= -list@lists.frers33.com
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Well done Brian, thanks for the effort! =3D20

Other areas may be able to leverage this decision as well.=3D20

Art

> On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com> wrote:
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> Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117!
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com>
> Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS
>=3D20
> Important race info at the bottom, read all the way through!=3D20
>=3D20
> Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't aware yet, bu= t ba=3D
ck in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating for the Frers 3= 3=3D
 (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test of time and= was n=3D
o longer as competitive against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats th= a=3D
t we are frequently racing against as it once was especially since we need = m=3D
ore coordinated and skilled crew than they do all things being equal with a= M=3D
asthead symmetrical rig, and lighter boats like the J92 which level rate wi= t=3D
h us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and thus can sail with fewer= c=3D
rew while being typically faster on the water off the wind /downwind. =3D20=
>=3D20
>=3D20
> The good news is I just received was confirmation from YRA that tonigh= t af=3D
ter having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level or near level r= a=3D
ted boats over the winter break, they concluded that they are in agreement = w=3D
ith me and as such have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the firs= t=3D
 time in its history! =3D20
>=3D20
> The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward as well as dist= ance=3D
 races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating.  That sho= uld help na=3D
rrow the performance gap between some of the newer sport boats or big ~40ft= c=3D
ruising hulls that we always level rate with.=3D20
>=3D20
> Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race in Western Lon= g Is=3D
land Sound?  =3DF0=3D9F=3D98=3D81
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> ---
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> Also not formally announced yet, but now officially happening, Cedar P= oint=3D
 is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a party on the 7= th.  I=3D
t will be a new distance race with a 101nm short course, and a 151nm long c= o=3D
urse, both entirely within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements = f=3D
or costly life rafts or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard.  In othe= r word=3D
s, this race is going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equiva= l=3D
ent to the vineyard race in points, open to boats with PHRF ratings under 1= 2=3D
0, And will be significantly cheaper to compete in without safety at sea an= d=3D
 other safety requirements imposed by exiting Long Island Sound. Entri= es sho=3D
uld be available on yacht scoring starting in the next couple of weeks.
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> Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and I hope to see= sev=3D
eral of you on the water as well.
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> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Richard Saunders <rhsaund@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions?
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> Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform = unde=3D
r the v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner.  I re= placed=3D
 it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the open= ing to=3D
 wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Loc= k toil=3D
et. I  have  Y valve to either direct output straight overboard o= r into the t=3D
ank.  The tank can only be pumped through the deck fitting.=3D20
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> Dick Saunders
> Out of Reach, Hull#17
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> On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler <wdhend= ler@gma=3D
il.com&g= t; wrote:
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>=3D20
> Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems= on N=3D
ereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under the= s=3D
tarboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some permeatio= n=3D
 problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise.=3D20
>=3D20
> I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means= lon=3D
g hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the bla= d=3D
der would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering wh= a=3D
t other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration was= .=3D
 The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the head, but rever= ted to=3D
 the bladder due to some tank configuration issues.
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> Any suggestions would be welcome!
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> Bill Hendler
> Nereid
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> William D. Hendler
> wdhendler@gma= il.com
> Mobile: 516-635-1179
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D3D"auto">Well done = Brian, thanks for the effort! &nb=3D
sp;<div><br></div><div>Other areas may be able to l= everage this decision as w=3D
ell.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D3D"ltr">Art<= ;/div><div dir=3D3D"ltr"><br><blockquote=3D
 type=3D3D"cite">On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Brian Higg= ins &lt;brian@sailing=3D
it.com&a= mp;gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockqu= ote type=3D3D"cite"><div d=3D
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<div dir=3D3D"auto">Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating = is 114, not 117!</d=3D
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div>
<div>From: Brian Higgins &lt;brian@sailingit.com&gt; </div>
<div>Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com </div>
<div>Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">Important race info at the bottom, read= all the way throug=3D
h!&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">Unless you read the November minutes yo= u probably aren't a=3D
ware yet, but back in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating= f=3D
or the Frers 33 (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test o= f=3D
 time and was no longer as competitive
 against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats that we are frequent= ly rac=3D
ing against as it once was especially since we need more coordinated and sk= i=3D
lled crew than they do all things being equal with a Masthead symmetrical r= i=3D
g, and lighter boats like the
 J92 which level rate with us have asym kites and fractional headsails= , and t=3D
hus can sail with fewer crew while being typically faster on the water off = t=3D
he wind /downwind.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">The good news is I just received was co= nfirmation from YRA=3D
 that tonight after having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other = level o=3D
r near level rated boats over the winter break, they concluded that they ar= e=3D
 in agreement with me and as such
 have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the first time in its= histo=3D
ry!&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">The new YRALIS base is 117 for both win= dward / leeward as w=3D
ell as distance races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating.&= nbsp;=3D
 That should help narrow the performance gap between some of the newer= sport=3D
 boats or big ~40ft cruising hulls
 that we always level rate with.&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">Really what I'm trying to say is who wa= nts to come race in=3D
 Western Long Island Sound?&nbsp; =3DF0=3D9F=3D98=3D81</div>=
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">---</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">Also not formally announced yet, but no= w officially happen=3D
ing, Cedar Point is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a par= t=3D
y on the 7th.&nbsp; It will be a new distance race with a 101nm short c= ourse=3D
, and a 151nm long course, both entirely
 within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements for costly lif= e raft=3D
s or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard.&nbsp; In other words, this r= ace i=3D
s going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equivalent to the vi= n=3D
eyard race in points, open to boats
 with PHRF ratings under 120, And will be significantly cheaper to com= pete i=3D
n without safety at sea and other safety requirements imposed by exiting Lo= n=3D
g Island Sound. Entries should be available on yacht scoring starting in th= e=3D
 next couple of weeks.</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D3D"auto">Southern Cross will be competing in the= long course, and I=3D
 hope to see several of you on the water as well.</div>
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<div>From: Richard Saunders &lt;rhsaund@yahoo.com&gt; </div>
<div>Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions= ? </div=3D
>
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Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform under= t=3D
he v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner.&nbsp; I r= eplac=3D
ed it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the opening= t=3D
o wrestle it through to the platform.
 I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lock toilet. I&nbsp; have&nbsp;= Y valve to ei=3D
ther direct output straight overboard or into the tank.&nbsp; The tank = can o=3D
nly be pumped through the deck fitting.&nbsp;</div>
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Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13px">
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Dick Saunders</div>
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<i>Out of Reach</i>, Hull#17</div>
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<div>On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler &= ;lt;wdhendl=3D
er@gmail.com&gt; = wrote:
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<div dir=3D3D"ltr">Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet = and replace the sep=3D
tic systems on Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta b= l=3D
adder under the starboard&nbsp;side of the v-Berth. I think we are star= ting t=3D
o get some permeation problems, and
 the odors are making it hard to cruise.&nbsp;
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location= means l=3D
ong hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the b= l=3D
adder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering = w=3D
hat other solutions exist. I
 have no idea what the original configuration&nbsp;was. The PO tri= ed to fit a=3D
 hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted to the bladder due= to so=3D
me tank configuration issues.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any suggestions would be welcome!</div>
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</div>
<div>Bill Hendler</div>
<div>Nereid<br clear=3D3D"all">
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<div dir=3D3D"ltr">William D. Hendler
<div><a href=3D3D"mailto:wdhendler@gmail.com" rel=3D3D"nofollow&q= uot;>wdhendler@gmail=3D
.com</a></div>
<div>Mobile: 516-635-1179</div>
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From: "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
To: "'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:25:59 +0000
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