[frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS
Art Kelley
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Well done Brian, thanks for the effort! =20
Other areas may be able to leverage this decision as well.=20
Art
> On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com> wrote:
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> Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117!
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com>
> Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS
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> Important race info at the bottom, read all the way through!=20
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> Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't aware yet, but ba=
ck in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating for the Frers 33=
(originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test of time and was n=
o longer as competitive against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats tha=
t we are frequently racing against as it once was especially since we need m=
ore coordinated and skilled crew than they do all things being equal with a M=
asthead symmetrical rig, and lighter boats like the J92 which level rate wit=
h us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and thus can sail with fewer c=
rew while being typically faster on the water off the wind /downwind. =20
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> The good news is I just received was confirmation from YRA that tonight af=
ter having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level or near level ra=
ted boats over the winter break, they concluded that they are in agreement w=
ith me and as such have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the first=
time in its history! =20
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> The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward as well as distance=
races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating. That should help na=
rrow the performance gap between some of the newer sport boats or big ~40ft c=
ruising hulls that we always level rate with.=20
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> Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race in Western Long Is=
land Sound? =F0=9F=98=81
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> Also not formally announced yet, but now officially happening, Cedar Point=
is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a party on the 7th. I=
t will be a new distance race with a 101nm short course, and a 151nm long co=
urse, both entirely within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements f=
or costly life rafts or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard. In other word=
s, this race is going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equival=
ent to the vineyard race in points, open to boats with PHRF ratings under 12=
0, And will be significantly cheaper to compete in without safety at sea and=
other safety requirements imposed by exiting Long Island Sound. Entries sho=
uld be available on yacht scoring starting in the next couple of weeks.
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> Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and I hope to see sev=
eral of you on the water as well.
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> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Richard Saunders <rhsaund@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions?
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> Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform unde=
r the v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner. I replaced=
it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the opening to=
wrestle it through to the platform. I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lock toil=
et. I have Y valve to either direct output straight overboard or into the t=
ank. The tank can only be pumped through the deck fitting.=20
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> Dick Saunders
> Out of Reach, Hull#17
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> On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler <wdhendler@gma=
il.com> wrote:
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> Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the septic systems on N=
ereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bladder under the s=
tarboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting to get some permeation=
problems, and the odors are making it hard to cruise.=20
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> I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means lon=
g hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the blad=
der would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering wha=
t other solutions exist. I have no idea what the original configuration was.=
The PO tried to fit a hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted to=
the bladder due to some tank configuration issues.
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> Any suggestions would be welcome!
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> Bill Hendler
> Nereid
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> William D. Hendler
> wdhendler@gmail.com
> Mobile: 516-635-1179
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sp;<div><br></div><div>Other areas may be able to leverage this decision as w=
ell. <br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Art</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote=
type=3D"cite">On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Brian Higgins <brian@sailing=
it.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
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<div dir=3D"auto">Whoops, I made a typo, new base rating is 114, not 117!</d=
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div>
<div>From: Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com> </div>
<div>Date: 2/13/20 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com </div>
<div>Subject: [frers-list]PHRF - YRALIS </div>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Important race info at the bottom, read all the way throug=
h! </div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Unless you read the November minutes you probably aren't a=
ware yet, but back in November I made a case to YRALIS that the base rating f=
or the Frers 33 (originally assigned in 1986) had not held up to the test of=
time and was no longer as competitive
against the bigger and/or more modern Asym boats that we are frequently rac=
ing against as it once was especially since we need more coordinated and ski=
lled crew than they do all things being equal with a Masthead symmetrical ri=
g, and lighter boats like the
J92 which level rate with us have asym kites and fractional headsails, and t=
hus can sail with fewer crew while being typically faster on the water off t=
he wind /downwind. </div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">The good news is I just received was confirmation from YRA=
that tonight after having deliberated and evaluated a bunch of other level o=
r near level rated boats over the winter break, they concluded that they are=
in agreement with me and as such
have adjusted the base rating for the Frers for the first time in its histo=
ry! </div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">The new YRALIS base is 117 for both windward / leeward as w=
ell as distance races, a 3 second change from the original 111 rating. =
That should help narrow the performance gap between some of the newer sport=
boats or big ~40ft cruising hulls
that we always level rate with. </div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Really what I'm trying to say is who wants to come race in=
Western Long Island Sound? =F0=9F=98=81</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">---</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Also not formally announced yet, but now officially happen=
ing, Cedar Point is hosting a new regatta this year on June 5/6, with a part=
y on the 7th. It will be a new distance race with a 101nm short course=
, and a 151nm long course, both entirely
within long Island sound to eliminate any requirements for costly life raft=
s or MOM8 (or equivalent) devices onboard. In other words, this race i=
s going to count as a full 4 point major distance race equivalent to the vin=
eyard race in points, open to boats
with PHRF ratings under 120, And will be significantly cheaper to compete i=
n without safety at sea and other safety requirements imposed by exiting Lon=
g Island Sound. Entries should be available on yacht scoring starting in the=
next couple of weeks.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Southern Cross will be competing in the long course, and I=
hope to see several of you on the water as well.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
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<div>From: Richard Saunders <rhsaund@yahoo.com> </div>
<div>Date: 2/13/20 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding tank configuration- suggestions? </div=
>
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Bill, my boat had a 7 gallon Todd tank sitting on a built in platform under t=
he v-berth on the port side. I was the third or fourth owner. I replac=
ed it with a 13 gal. Todd tank. Had to make a small vee slit in the opening t=
o wrestle it through to the platform.
I put in a new Jabsco Twist n Lock toilet. I have Y valve to ei=
ther direct output straight overboard or into the tank. The tank can o=
nly be pumped through the deck fitting. </div>
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<div>On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:52:08 AM EST, Bill Hendler <wdhendl=
er@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi All- we are going to bite the bullet and replace the sep=
tic systems on Nereid (ex-AWOL). The current setup is a 14.5 gallon Nauta bl=
adder under the starboard side of the v-Berth. I think we are starting t=
o get some permeation problems, and
the odors are making it hard to cruise.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I wouldn't mind changing the configuration. The current location means l=
ong hose runs to and from the head and pumpout fitting. It looks like the bl=
adder would fit ok under the port side of the v-berth, but I was wondering w=
hat other solutions exist. I
have no idea what the original configuration was. The PO tried to fit a=
hard tank under the sink in the head, but reverted to the bladder due to so=
me tank configuration issues.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any suggestions would be welcome!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bill Hendler</div>
<div>Nereid<br clear=3D"all">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">William D. Hendler
<div><a href=3D"mailto:wdhendler@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow">wdhendler@gmail=
.com</a></div>
<div>Mobile: 516-635-1179</div>
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