[frers-list]Persistence rudder bearing project continues
Rod Stright
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Mon, 9 Nov 2020 17:01:56 -0400
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https://jefa.dk/products/sealing-systems/ Scroll down until you see =
sealing solutions and you will see Tube and Gaiter. I believe that is =
what was used to keep the water out of the boat below the quadrant =
instead of the extra bushing.=20
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Rod
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
<frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: November-09-20 1:56 PM
To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Persistence rudder bearing project continues
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Hi Bill
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No I had never greased the rudder shaft in the past. This is the only =
reason that I can guess this bolt exists. Judging from its location it =
would serve no other purpose. When the rudder post squeaks on =
Persistence I would spray Fluid Film at the top of the post in the =
cockpit and the squeak would go away for a year or so.
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I am having the Delrin sleeves manufactured by a friend who has a =
machine shop. He is also a boat owner and very knowledgeable about this =
sort of thing
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I agree that pictures are nice in the description of the process. This =
makes it easier to know what you are looking at when you try it =
yourself.
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Mike
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> =
<frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> > On Behalf Of William Brown
Sent: November 9, 2020 12:28 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Persistence rudder bearing project continues
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Great postings Mike. I can see why she is correctly named Persistence. =
You, of course, should be christened Courageous. I dropped the rudder a =
couple times from my former boat, a Frers 30, but with a tiller, that =
was a piece of cake. If I ever have to take on this project on my 33 =
(heaven forbid), your account and pictures will be invaluable. How =
available are the replacement bearings/sleeves and what is the source? =
Also have you (or anyone else) routinely greased the rudder shaft via =
the bolt hole you describe above the middle bearing? Hope you'll keep =
this post going to its successful conclusion.=20
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Thanks and good luck,
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Bill Brown
Cheval Blanc (formerly First Edition) Hull 26
Missoula, MT
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On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:42 AM Rod Stright <strightr@eastlink.ca =
<mailto:strightr@eastlink.ca> > wrote:
That=E2=80=99s why I call them bushings. As I recall on mine there was =
a flexible sleeve that went over the rudder post sleeve/tube which =
prevented water coming into the boat. Perhaps this replaced the middle =
bushing you have. I=E2=80=99ll see if I can find a picture of it =
tonight.
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Rod=20
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Sent from my iPhone
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On Nov 9, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com =
<mailto:Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> > wrote:
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With a lot of information from Rod Stright (Equinox) who had previously =
done this project the task of removing the existing rudder bearings for =
replacement is nearly complete.
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The story is documented on Persistence Website www.hoytsailing.com =
<http://www.hoytsailing.com>=20
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As of now the top bearing or sleeve at cockpit sole is removed as well =
as a middle bearing just beneath the quadrant. A lower bearing where =
the rudder exits the hull is still very firmly in place. =20
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Note that these =E2=80=9Cbearings=E2=80=9D are actually sleeves rather =
than bearings and do not come out easily.
=20
Mike Hoyt
Persistence
1987 Frers 33 #16
Halifax, Nova Scotia
www.hoytsailing.com <http://www.hoytsailing.com>=20
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Bill Brown
Western Montana Equine
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a =
href=3D"https://jefa.dk/products/sealing-systems/">https://jefa.dk/produc=
ts/sealing-systems/</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Scroll down until you see sealing =
solutions and you will see Tube and Gaiter.=C2=A0 I believe that is what =
was used to keep the water out of the boat below the quadrant instead of =
the extra bushing. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Rod<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> =
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
<frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hoyt, =
Mike<br><b>Sent:</b> November-09-20 1:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' =
<frers-list@lists.frers33.com><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[frers-list]Persistence rudder bearing project =
continues<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>No I had =
never greased the rudder shaft in the past. This is the only =
reason that I can guess this bolt exists. Judging from its =
location it would serve no other purpose. When the rudder post =
squeaks on Persistence I would spray Fluid Film at the top of the post =
in the cockpit and the squeak would go away for a year or =
so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I am having =
the Delrin sleeves manufactured by a friend who has a machine =
shop. He is also a boat owner and very knowledgeable about this =
sort of thing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I agree =
that pictures are nice in the description of the process. This =
makes it easier to know what you are looking at when you try it =
yourself.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists=
.frers33.com</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists=
.frers33.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Brown<br><b>Sent:</b> =
November 9, 2020 12:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [frers-list]Persistence rudder bearing =
project continues<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Great =
postings Mike. I can see why she is correctly named =
Persistence. You, of course, should be christened Courageous. I =
dropped the rudder a couple times from my former boat, a Frers 30, but =
with a tiller, that was a piece of cake. If I ever have to take on =
this project on my 33 (heaven forbid), your account and pictures will be =
invaluable. How available are the replacement bearings/sleeves and =
what is the source? Also have you (or anyone else) routinely greased the =
rudder shaft via the bolt hole you describe above the middle =
bearing? Hope you'll keep this post going to its successful =
conclusion. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks and good luck,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bill Brown<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheval Blanc (formerly First Edition) Hull =
26<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Missoula, =
MT<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:42 AM Rod Stright <<a =
href=3D"mailto:strightr@eastlink.ca">strightr@eastlink.ca</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>That=E2=80=99s why I call them =
bushings. As I recall on mine there was a flexible sleeve that =
went over the rudder post sleeve/tube which prevented water coming into =
the boat. Perhaps this replaced the middle bushing you have. =
I=E2=80=99ll see if I can find a picture of it =
tonight.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rod <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent =
from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov 9, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Hoyt, Mike =
<<a href=3D"mailto:Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_713980216480226552m_7235940282775425655divtagdefaultwrapper=
"><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>With a lot =
of information from Rod Stright (Equinox) who had previously done this =
project the task of removing the existing rudder bearings for =
replacement is nearly complete.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The story =
is documented on Persistence Website <a =
href=3D"http://www.hoytsailing.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.hoytsailing.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As of now =
the top bearing or sleeve at cockpit sole is removed as well as a middle =
bearing just beneath the quadrant. A lower bearing where the =
rudder exits the hull is still very firmly in place. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Note that =
these =E2=80=9Cbearings=E2=80=9D are actually sleeves rather than =
bearings and do not come out easily.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Mike =
Hoyt<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Persistence<=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1987 Frers =
33 #16<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Halifax, =
Nova Scotia<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"http://www.hoytsailing.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.hoytsailing.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></d=
iv></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p=
class=3DMsoNormal><br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Bill Brown<br>Western Montana =
Equine<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>
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