[frers-list]rudder removal Frers 33
Art Kelley
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:03:12 -0400
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So Mike, I guess I am not as strong as you. Catching a 117 pound rudder 2=E2=
=80=99 off the ground as it slides out was not a fun experience. Yes I did s=
ubsequently carry it from place to place but it is an awkward load and a bad=
angle. And I have dropped it out usually single handed twice since. Remembe=
r the load is going to want to twist in your hands. Put something soft under=
it ;-)
Yes you should only need about 21=E2=80=9D of clearance to drop the rudder. I=
f you were to measure the post from the inside of the hull to the top as it e=
xtends through the deck and add a little for the thickness of the hull, that=
=E2=80=99s the clearance you will need.=20
The corrosion problem is the usual- stainless steel bolts through aluminum. T=
ry cracking the bolts in the water and then make your decision. Your yard is=
making a safe choice suggesting doing it while on the hoist not knowing the=
clearance you need. Our deep keel gives us that space. I was warned to dig a=
hole under mine the first time, turned out not to have been necessary.=20
Your mileage may vary.=20
Art
> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:
>=20
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> I read through those but was hoping someone had thought to take photos of t=
he process as well. =46rom what I read the rudder post was described as 21.=
25=E2=80=9D long. Does this mean that I need just over 21.25 inches between=
ground level and bottom of rudder when on cradle to remove the rudder?
> =20
> Also I read in one of those two descriptions that there was corrosion and i=
t took a lot of time to get pins loose, etc=E2=80=A6 Our dock master has su=
ggested that everything but the pin be removed while in water and that at ha=
ulout would lift up with cradle mover and we would pull pin and drop rudder.=
If items are seized this does not sound practical as I would likely need s=
everal days at least to get the pins and everything loos to drop rudder
> =20
> Another question is that rudder was described as 117 lbs. and that it was e=
xtremely heavy and not able to be removed by a single person. A 4 stroke 9.=
9 hp outboard is 115 lbs and can be manhandled by one person. What is it ab=
out the rudder that one person can not lower it? Can it not be blocked from=
below, then the pin removed and then lowered from below?
> =20
> Thanks
> =20
> Mike
> =20
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.c=
om> On Behalf Of Art Kelley
> Sent: September 10, 2020 10:42 AM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]rudder removal Frers 33
> =20
> Mike,
> =20
> Check the FAQs on the website, there are a couple of write-ups about it. I=
n my experience, as long as the keel is supported a few inches off the groun=
d, the rudder will slip out. Be careful, it=E2=80=99s heavy!
> =20
> Art
>=20
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> On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:
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> Have to change rudder bearing on Persistence in the off season.
> =20
> How much clearance do I need?
> Anyone care to describe the process?
> =20
> Thanks
> =20
> Mike Hoyt
> Persistence
> Frers 33 #16
> www.hoytsailing.com
> =20
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">So Mike, I guess I am not as strong as you.=
Catching a 117 pound rudder 2=E2=80=99 off the ground as it slides out was n=
ot a fun experience. Yes I did subsequently carry it from place to place but=
it is an awkward load and a bad angle. And I have dropped it out usually si=
ngle handed twice since. Remember the load is going to want to twist in your=
hands. Put something soft under it ;-)<div><br></div><div>Yes you should on=
ly need about 21=E2=80=9D of clearance to drop the rudder. If you were to me=
asure the post from the inside of the hull to the top as it extends through t=
he deck and add a little for the thickness of the hull, that=E2=80=99s the c=
learance you will need. <br><br>The corrosion problem is the usual- sta=
inless steel bolts through aluminum. Try cracking the bolts in the water and=
then make your decision. Your yard is making a safe choice suggesting doing=
it while on the hoist not knowing the clearance you need. Our deep keel giv=
es us that space. I was warned to dig a hole under mine the first time, turn=
ed out not to have been necessary. </div><div><br></div><div>Your milea=
ge may vary. <br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Art</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bl=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I read through those but w=
as hoping someone had thought to take photos of the process as well. =46rom=
what I read the rudder post was described as
21.25=E2=80=9D long. Does this mean that I need just over 21.25 inche=
s between ground level and bottom of rudder when on cradle to remove the rud=
der?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also I read in one of thos=
e two descriptions that there was corrosion and it took a lot of time to get=
pins loose, etc=E2=80=A6 Our dock master has suggested
that everything but the pin be removed while in water and that at haulout w=
ould lift up with cradle mover and we would pull pin and drop rudder. I=
f items are seized this does not sound practical as I would likely need seve=
ral days at least to get the pins
and everything loos to drop rudder<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Another question is that r=
udder was described as 117 lbs. and that it was extremely heavy and not able=
to be removed by a single person. A 4 stroke
9.9 hp outboard is 115 lbs and can be manhandled by one person. What i=
s it about the rudder that one person can not lower it? Can it not be b=
locked from below, then the pin removed and then lowered from below?<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Art Kelley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> September 10, 2020 10:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [frers-list]rudder removal Frers 33<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mike,<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Check the FAQs on the website, there are a couple of w=
rite-ups about it. In my experience, as long as the keel is supported a few i=
nches off the ground, the rudder will slip out. Be careful, it=E2=80=99s hea=
vy!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Art<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:=
15 AM, Hoyt, Mike <<a href=3D"mailto:Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com">Mike.Hoyt@im=
pgroup.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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>Have to change rudder bearing on Persistence in the off season.</span><o:p>=
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earance do I need?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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to describe the process?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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