From shelby@lists.trolinger.com Wed Sep 24 04:06:18 2003 From: shelby@lists.trolinger.com (shelby tabeling) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:06:18 -0500 Subject: [shelby research]tregaron Message-ID: <000801c38248$d3c0f400$f17b3444@nash01.tn.comcast.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3821E.EA3B7220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i just returned from a wonderful trip to wales and the uk. spent = several days in tregaron, and hopefully will have pictures soon to post. = =20 think i tracked down where evan sr. and jr. lived before they left for = the u.s. sadly, the cottage was torn down around 10 years ago. =20 will give a fuller account with names of those who gave me the leads and = where they got their info. was struck by the interest of native locals in my quest, but also by the = - for lack of a better word - "ignorance" of tregaron residents in the = accomplishments of the shelby family and what they contributed to = colonial america. =20 wouldn't it be wonderful if the shelby descendants across the u.s. and = beyond would all contribute to a marker or some sort of commemoration of = the family and the site from which they emigrated??!! think about it! ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3821E.EA3B7220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i just returned from a wonderful trip = to wales and=20 the uk.  spent several days in tregaron, and hopefully will have = pictures=20 soon to post. 
 
think i tracked down where evan sr. and = jr. lived=20 before they left for the u.s.  sadly, the cottage was torn down = around 10=20 years ago. 
 
will give a fuller account with names = of those who=20 gave me the leads and where they got their info.
 
was struck by the interest of native = locals in my=20 quest, but also by the - for lack of a better word - "ignorance" of = tregaron=20 residents in the accomplishments of the shelby family and what they = contributed=20 to colonial america. 
 
wouldn't it be wonderful if the shelby = descendants=20 across the u.s. and beyond would all contribute to a marker or some sort = of=20 commemoration of the family and the site from which they = emigrated??!! =20 think about it!
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3821E.EA3B7220-- From shelby@lists.trolinger.com Wed Sep 24 19:08:07 2003 From: shelby@lists.trolinger.com (george kitzmiller) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:08:07 -0500 Subject: [shelby research]tregaron In-Reply-To: <000801c38248$d3c0f400$f17b3444@nash01.tn.comcast.net> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3147253688_11076031_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 9/23/03 10:06 PM, shelby tabeling at shelby.tabeling@comcast.net wrote: i just returned from a wonderful trip to wales and the uk. spent several days in tregaron, and hopefully will have pictures soon to post. think i tracked down where evan sr. and jr. lived before they left for the u.s. sadly, the cottage was torn down around 10 years ago. will give a fuller account with names of those who gave me the leads and where they got their info. was struck by the interest of native locals in my quest, but also by the - for lack of a better word - "ignorance" of tregaron residents in the accomplishments of the shelby family and what they contributed to colonial america. wouldn't it be wonderful if the shelby descendants across the u.s. and beyond would all contribute to a marker or some sort of commemoration of the family and the site from which they emigrated??!! think about it! Hi, I was in Tregaron a couple of years ago, and think I might have found the farms where the Shelbys lived. I was going by the map in Judy's Shelby journal. I look forward to seeing the pictures, etc. It would be wonderful to have some sort of marker in or near Tregaron. Thanks for the update. Kay Kitzmiller --MS_Mac_OE_3147253688_11076031_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [shelby research]tregaron on 9/23/03 10:06 PM, shelby tabeling at shelby.tabeling@comcast.net wrote:<= BR>
i just returned from a wonder= ful trip to wales and the uk.  spent several days in tregaron, and hope= fully will have pictures soon to post.  
think i tracked down where evan sr. and j= r. lived before they left for the u.s.  sadly, the cottage was torn dow= n around 10 years ago.  
will give a fuller account with names of = those who gave me the leads and where they got their info.
was struck by the interest of native loca= ls in my quest, but also by the - for lack of a better word - "ignoranc= e" of tregaron residents in the accomplishments of the shelby family an= d what they contributed to colonial america.  
wouldn't it be wonderful if the shelby de= scendants across the u.s. and beyond would all contribute to a marker or som= e sort of commemoration of the family and the site from which they emigrated= ??!!  think about it!


Hi,
I was in Tregaron a couple of years ago,  and think I might have found= the farms where the Shelbys lived. I was going by the map in Judy's Shelby = journal. I look forward to seeing the pictures, etc. It would be wonderful t= o have some sort of marker in or near Tregaron. Thanks for the update.

Kay Kitzmiller
<gkitzmiller @austin.rr.com> --MS_Mac_OE_3147253688_11076031_MIME_Part-- From shelby@lists.trolinger.com Wed Sep 24 23:48:54 2003 From: shelby@lists.trolinger.com (shelby@lists.trolinger.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:48:54 EDT Subject: [shelby research]tregaron Message-ID: <28.3dd75abf.2ca37956@aol.com> -------------------------------1064443734 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kay, Thank You! This is very exciting news to me. My Husband and I are going to Wales next year to visit his father's home in Pontypridd, and my ancestral home in Tregaron. I want to talk with everyone who has been there to get the scoop on where to go in Tregaron. My husband has a couple of cousins in Pontypridd who will help us out there. I am so excited about this trip because I have known for forty years about our "Shelbys who came from Wales", but never knew much about them until the past three years. I will pick everybody's brains about the Shelbys if they will let me. Martha Mordecai -------------------------------1064443734 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kay,
 
Thank You!  This is very exciting news to me.  My Husband and= I are going to Wales next year to visit his father's home in Pontypridd, an= d my ancestral home in Tregaron.  I want to talk with everyone who has=20= been there to get the scoop on where to go in Tregaron.  My husband has= a couple of cousins in Pontypridd who will help us out there.  I=20= am so excited about this trip because I have known for forty years about our= "Shelbys who came from Wales", but never knew much about them until the pas= t three years.  I will pick everybody's brains about the Shelbys i= f they will let me. 
 
Martha Mordecai
-------------------------------1064443734-- From shelby@lists.trolinger.com Mon Sep 29 02:07:31 2003 From: shelby@lists.trolinger.com (Judith A Trolinger) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:07:31 -0500 Subject: [shelby research]tregaron In-Reply-To: <000801c38248$d3c0f400$f17b3444@nash01.tn.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030928200556.00a2d9b0@mail.hilconet.com> --=====================_6385657==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello, I envy your trip! Would love to see the photos. A marker sounds like a great idea. Judy At 10:06 PM 9/23/03 -0500, you wrote: >i just returned from a wonderful trip to wales and the uk. spent several >days in tregaron, and hopefully will have pictures soon to post. > >think i tracked down where evan sr. and jr. lived before they left for the >u.s. sadly, the cottage was torn down around 10 years ago. > >will give a fuller account with names of those who gave me the leads and >where they got their info. > >was struck by the interest of native locals in my quest, but also by the - >for lack of a better word - "ignorance" of tregaron residents in the >accomplishments of the shelby family and what they contributed to colonial >america. > >wouldn't it be wonderful if the shelby descendants across the u.s. and >beyond would all contribute to a marker or some sort of commemoration of >the family and the site from which they emigrated??!! think about it! --=====================_6385657==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hello,
I envy your trip! Would love to see the photos.

A marker sounds like a great idea.

Judy

At 10:06 PM 9/23/03 -0500, you wrote:
i just returned from a wonderful trip to wales and the uk.  spent several days in tregaron, and hopefully will have pictures soon to post. 
 
think i tracked down where evan sr. and jr. lived before they left for the u.s.  sadly, the cottage was torn down around 10 years ago. 
 
will give a fuller account with names of those who gave me the leads and where they got their info.
 
was struck by the interest of native locals in my quest, but also by the - for lack of a better word - "ignorance" of tregaron residents in the accomplishments of the shelby family and what they contributed to colonial america. 
 
wouldn't it be wonderful if the shelby descendants across the u.s. and beyond would all contribute to a marker or some sort of commemoration of the family and the site from which they emigrated??!!  think about it!
--=====================_6385657==.ALT-- From shelby@lists.trolinger.com Mon Sep 29 02:12:10 2003 From: shelby@lists.trolinger.com (Judith A Trolinger) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:12:10 -0500 Subject: [shelby research]tregaron In-Reply-To: <28.3dd75abf.2ca37956@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030928201039.00a2e860@mail.hilconet.com> --=====================_6664982==.REL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6664982==.ALT" --=====================_6664982==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Martha and Kay, That is great Martha! Glad to see so many finally getting a chance to go to Tregaron. Take lots of photos! Judy At 06:48 PM 9/24/03 -0400, you wrote: >Kay, > >Thank You! This is very exciting news to me. My Husband and I are going >to Wales next year to visit his father's home in Pontypridd, and my >ancestral home in Tregaron. I want to talk with everyone who has been >there to get the scoop on where to go in Tregaron. My husband has a >couple of cousins in Pontypridd who will help us out there. I am so >excited about this trip because I have known for forty years about our >"Shelbys who came from Wales", but never knew much about them until the >past three years. I will pick everybody's brains about the Shelbys if >they will let me. 65b2cb.jpg > >Martha Mordecai --=====================_6664982==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Martha and Kay,

That is great Martha! Glad to see so many finally getting a chance to go to Tregaron. Take lots of photos!

Judy

At 06:48 PM 9/24/03 -0400, you wrote:
Kay,
 
Thank You!  This is very exciting news to me.  My Husband and I are going to Wales next year to visit his father's home in Pontypridd, and my ancestral home in Tregaron.  I want to talk with everyone who has been there to get the scoop on where to go in Tregaron.  My husband has a couple of cousins in Pontypridd who will help us out there.  I am so excited about this trip because I have known for forty years about our "Shelbys who came from Wales", but never knew much about them until the past three years.  I will pick everybody's brains about the Shelbys if they will let me.  65b2cb.jpg
 
Martha Mordecai
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In the meantime I am gathering as much as I can on Tregaron and the Shelby's. Johnnnie sent a copy of her book "A Chronology of Moses & Isabel Shelby and Their Sons, and other information on Evan and Catherine Shelby to me awhile back. (Thanks again Johnnie, I hope you are feeling better). I have been ordering copies of documentation on my line from the Charlotte Library (NC). I pretty much have documented my line. There is one weak spot. John Rufus Shelby seems to have fallen through the cracks, as far as documentation linking him to Moses and Mary Ann (Knox) Shelby goes. Johnnie has a little information on them in her book, however, the copies of the documents I received from the Charlotte library are unreadable, so I can't transcribe them. I have ordered a copy of Mary Shelby's record of baptism in Christ Church in Philadelphia which should be on the way. I found out that the Christ Church has been open to the public since March of this year, so Trev and I are going there in about a week just to go through it. It (the original church) was built around 1728, I believe, and George Washington along with other great Americans attended services there. Benjamine Franklin is buried there. It has wonderful stained glass windows (like the one in Washington, DC) with pilgrims, etc. telling the stories of the founding of America. I will have photos from there also. I will certainly be willing to send copires of my copies of any documentation on the Shelby's I have to anyone on the list who would like them. Martha >From: Judith A Trolinger >Reply-To: shelby@lists.trolinger.com >To: shelby@lists.trolinger.com >Subject: Re: [shelby research]tregaron Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:12:10 >-0500 > >Hi Martha and Kay, > >That is great Martha! Glad to see so many finally getting a chance to go to >Tregaron. Take lots of photos! > >Judy > >At 06:48 PM 9/24/03 -0400, you wrote: >>Kay, >> >>Thank You! This is very exciting news to me. My Husband and I are going >>to Wales next year to visit his father's home in Pontypridd, and my >>ancestral home in Tregaron. I want to talk with everyone who has been >>there to get the scoop on where to go in Tregaron. My husband has a >>couple of cousins in Pontypridd who will help us out there. I am so >>excited about this trip because I have known for forty years about our >>"Shelbys who came from Wales", but never knew much about them until the >>past three years. I will pick everybody's brains about the Shelbys if >>they will let me. 65b2cb.jpg >> >>Martha Mordecai _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From shelby@lists.trolinger.com Mon Sep 29 23:28:51 2003 From: shelby@lists.trolinger.com (Judith A Trolinger) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:28:51 -0500 Subject: [shelby research]John Rufus Shelby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030929170109.00a12cd0@mail.hilconet.com> You'll enjoy the trip's :-) Mecklenburg County NC-Minutes of the Court of Common Pleas and Quarter Sessions: Vol III, 1821-1830, Book 7, pp94-95: 1826 Feb Session- Court minutes: Order that John Knox be Guardian for [among others] John R, child of Moses Shelby who appeared in Court and was bound with James Doherty, Security, in the Sum of L250 1826 Feb Session- Court minutes: Order that John Knox be Guardian for [among others] Smith, child of Moses Shelby who appeared in Court and was bound with James Doherty, Security, in the Sum of L250 1826 Feb Session- Court minutes: Order that John Knox be Guardian for [among others] Winfield, child of Moses Shelby who appeared in Court and was bound with James Doherty, Security, in the Sum of L250. 1826 Feb Session- Court minutes: Order that John Knox be Guardian for [among others] Samuel, child of Moses Shelby who appeared in Court and was bound with James Doherty, Security, in the Sum of L250. 1826 Feb Session- Court minutes: Order that John Knox be Guardian for [among others] Joseph, child of Moses Shelby who appeared in Court and was bound with James Doherty, Security, in the Sum of L250. 1826 Feb Session- Court minutes: Order that John Knox be Guardian for [among others] Eleanor, child of Moses Shelby who appeared in Court and was bound with James Doherty, Security, in the Sum of L250 1826 Feb Session- Court minutes: Order that John Knox be Guardian for [among others] Thomas, child of Moses Shelby who appeared in Court and was bound with James Doherty, Security, in the Sum of L250. Letter from Richard C SHELBY (then Representative of AL-1978, now Senator 1998), to Mrs Hoberta Frost, 13 Nov 1978.- He stated that "John Rufus was his gr gr grandfather and was born in Mecklenburg Co, NC, which is where the city of Charlotte is located. John R migrated to Dallas Co, AL near Selma. At the time he settled in Dallas Co, that portion of Dallas Co was in what is now Perry Co, but the boundaries were rearranged sometime after the Civil War. He and his wife are both buried at Mount Pleasant Presbyterian Church north of Selma, AL." [my note-J.A.T.---A study of the county boundry lines, show that Selma, Dallas Co, was not a part of Perry Co, except in 1810, when all of Alabama was Indian land. Alabama became a territory in 1817 and a state in 1819 and by the 1820 census Perry and Dallas were two separate counties- their boundries did change a bit over the coming years, but did not include the area that is around Selma.] I've been to Christ Church in Phila..that is how I found the bapt for Mary..it was under the name SELBY. Its a pretty church, with a long history, and is in the old part of Phila. Do let us know what they send you. At the time (1985) the originals were not available to the public. The records at that time were located in the rectory, next to the church-they also had a nice little gift shop. May have more on John Rufus... Judy From shelby@lists.trolinger.com Tue Sep 30 00:11:50 2003 From: shelby@lists.trolinger.com (Judith A Trolinger) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:11:50 -0500 Subject: [shelby research]tregaron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030929180651.00a58b70@mail.hilconet.com> Hi Martha, Me again.... Pretty Please, :-)))) put on your "things to do" list while in Wales....From what port and what ship did the Shelby's leave from Wales..It may not be available, but then I don't think anyone has thought to ask while they were there! Judy At 10:46 AM 9/29/03 -0400, you wrote: >Judy, > >We will not be going until next May. In the meantime I am gathering as >much as I can on Tregaron and the Shelby's. From shelby@lists.trolinger.com Tue Sep 30 19:09:42 2003 From: shelby@lists.trolinger.com (shelby@lists.trolinger.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:09:42 EDT Subject: [shelby research]Shelby digest, Vol 1 #38 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <7e.3edd61f2.2cab20e6@aol.com> --part1_7e.3edd61f2.2cab20e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Judy, I noticed this reference below with the connection to my State Senator Richard Shelby being the great great grandson of John Rufus Shelby and that JR migrated to Dallas County Alabama. Well, this really caught my attention because I live in Selma Alabama, Dallas County and I have been researching my SHELBY line. It is interesting to now see where I found a reference years ago to the Shelby's riding into Dallas County "riding fine horse's." I will have to look that up later to see where it came from. I will also have to visit the Mount Pleasant Presbyterian Church just north of where I live. I wish I could say that this is my Shelby line, but I can't. I am still looking for a connection to my great great grandfather Abraham Shelby of Hickman County Tennessee (born in the Carolina's). I had a Hickman County web site volunteer to say that Abraham can be traced back to Rees Shelby (per LDS records), so far I have not found anything to confirm this. I do want to make a trip to Charlotte North Carolina to research this more. Do you have any idea of where I could possibly start? I know the library will probably be my first stop. Sorry I got carried away, it is so exciting to get new information on anything with the name of "Shelby." I did also want to say as it was mentioned from a lady from this last digest, the name of the ship that Evan and his family came over on, if possible would be great to have. I better go for now, I could go on & on. Thanks so much for keeping us informed with new information on the Shelby's. I hope to talk to ya later. Jerry Dalton Shelby Selma, Alabama Jd68bap@aol.com Letter from Richard C SHELBY (then Representative of AL-1978, now Senator 1998), to Mrs Hoberta Frost, 13 Nov 1978.- He stated that "John Rufus was his gr gr grandfather and was born in Mecklenburg Co, NC, which is where the city of Charlotte is located. John R migrated to Dallas Co, AL near Selma. At the time he settled in Dallas Co, that portion of Dallas Co was in what is now Perry Co, but the boundaries were rearranged sometime after the Civil War. He and his wife are both buried at Mount Pleasant Presbyterian Church north of Selma, AL." [my note-J.A.T.---A study of the county boundry lines, show that Selma, Dallas Co, was not a part of Perry Co, except in 1810, when all of Alabama was Indian land. Alabama became a territory in 1817 and a state in 1819 and by the 1820 census Perry and Dallas were two separate counties- their boundries did change a bit over the coming years, but did not include the area that is around Selma.] I've been to Christ Church in Phila..that is how I found the bapt for Mary..it was under the name SELBY. Its a pretty church, with a long history, and is in the old part of Phila. Do let us know what they send you. At the time (1985) the originals were not available to the public. The records at that time were located in the rectory, next to the church-they also had a nice little gift shop. May have more on John Rufus... Judy --part1_7e.3edd61f2.2cab20e6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Judy, I noticed this reference below with the connection to my State S= enator Richard Shelby being the great great grandson of John Rufus Shelby an= d that JR migrated to Dallas County Alabama. Well, this really caught my att= ention because I live in Selma Alabama, Dallas County and I have been resear= ching my SHELBY line. It is interesting to now see where I found a reference= years ago to the Shelby's riding into Dallas County "riding fine horse's."=20= I will have to look that up later to see where it came from. I will also hav= e to visit the Mount Pleasant Presbyterian Church just north of where I live= . I wish I could say that this is my Shelby line, but I can't. I am still lo= oking for a connection to my great great grandfather Abraham Shelby of Hickm= an County Tennessee (born in the Carolina's). I had a Hickman County web sit= e volunteer to say that Abraham can be traced back to Rees Shelby (per LDS r= ecords), so far I have not found anything to confirm this. I do want to make= a trip to Charlotte North Carolina to research this more. Do you have any i= dea of where I could possibly start? I know the library will probably be my=20= first stop. Sorry I got carried away, it is so exciting to get new informati= on on anything with the name of "Shelby." I did also want to say as it was m= entioned from a lady from this last digest, the name of the ship that Evan a= nd his family came over on, if possible would be great to have. I better go=20= for now, I could go on & on. Thanks so much for keeping us informed with= new information on the Shelby's. I hope to talk to ya later.

Jerry Dalton Shelby
Selma, Alabama
Jd68bap@aol.com



Letter from Richard C SHELBY (then Representative of AL-1978, now Senator 1998), to Mrs Hoberta Frost, 13 Nov 1978.-

He stated that "John Rufus was his gr gr grandfather and was born in
Mecklenburg Co, NC, which is where the city of Charlotte is located. John R=20=
migrated to Dallas Co, AL near Selma. At the time he settled in Dallas Co, <= BR> that portion of Dallas Co was in what is now Perry Co, but the boundaries were rearranged sometime after the Civil War. He and his wife are both
buried at Mount Pleasant Presbyterian Church north of Selma, AL."

[my note-J.A.T.---A study of the county boundry lines, show that Selma,
Dallas Co, was not a part of Perry Co, except in 1810, when all of Alabama <= BR> was Indian land.
Alabama became a territory in 1817 and a state in 1819 and by the 1820
census Perry and Dallas were two separate counties- their boundries did
change a bit over the coming years, but did not include the area that is around Selma.]

I've been to Christ Church in Phila..that is how I found the bapt for
Mary..it was under the name SELBY. Its a pretty church, with a long
history, and is in the old part of Phila. Do let us know what they send
you. At the time (1985) the originals were not available to the public. The=20=
records at that time were located in the rectory, next to the church-they also had a nice little gift shop.

May have more on John Rufus...

Judy


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