FW: [shelby research][Fwd: Something I found in the Library of wales.]

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>Hi Tina,

Thanks for all of this! I really haven't tackled the SELBYs because they 
are thicker than sandfleas- EVERYWHERE!!  As to 'our' Phillip, he shows in 
the records as "Selby Phillip" Phillip Selby" and was buried as Phillip 
SHELBY in 1731, in Tregaron.

There are also a few original Tax rolls in Washington Co VA in [I think] 
1781/82, for a Phillip Shelby-have not found anything further on him in 
that county - The name is clear on the records. He could well be the father 
of Samuel Shelby who married Susanna Zimmerlie.

According to what has [so far] been found in what church records we have in 
Wales, the SHELBY name got its start in 1709-with a Jois SHELBY-have not 
come across the name again in anything, but that is the way it is spelled 
on the original record

We are most definitely not finished with Wales!  There are still a lot we 
don't know about Rees and Mary Shelby, despite Johnnie M Johnson's 500 
pages book on them! We still don't have the needed proof that Rees was a 
son of Evan and Catherine- a grandson [Jef Shelby] of Ruby Jane Shelby, 
more recently, said that her info was wrong on this, and that Rees was 
Evan's brother, not a son. That Ruby got so excited over finding Evan, that 
she stopped copying what she had found for Rees! Ruby had said as much to 
me in her letters in 1977.
So, this too needs further checking..We do know [now] that the Rachel was 
Baptised in 1721, and who married McFarland/Pindell, was the daughter of 
REES not Evan and Catherine!

I suspect that somewhere between the time Ruby saw the original records at 
the church in 1968, and the time that others; and Ron Shelby [abt 1999], 
saw the records at the Library of Wales, something has gone missing. The 
Baptismal record for Evan and Catherine (Morgan) Shelby's daughter Elenora 
Bapt 1730 at St Caron's, is either now missing or was overlooked..

So these are the type 'stuff' we need to get clarified, if it is all possible!

Need to throw in a word of caution here- Tina you have your listing marked 
as SHELBYs in London marriages...But all show as SELBY..We can't assume at 
this point, especially from printed data that these were actually Shelby's...
Your FIRST listing of SHELBYs in London 1442, etc...was this from a printed 
list posted by someone??? Would be fantastic to find the SHELBY name that 
early, and, in London! Gotta stay open minded about this..with a grain of 
doubt.

Good work Tina! Someday we may have the correct answer!

Judy

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tina Braska
>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:09 AM
>To: 'shelby@lists.trolinger.com'
>Subject: RE: [shelby research][Fwd: Something I found in the Library of 
>wales.]
>
>Judith,
>
>You may have these, but wanted to send to you anyway. On the word doc. are 
>some more entries that I copied from the Library of Wales. I tried to do a 
>little research on each entry, but again I am not much for detail.  The 
>other 2 can be opened using your browser window, as it is in HTML format. 
>I went to the origins.net website and found these. I guess the reason I 
>went in that direction was a thought that maybe the Selby clan had 
>migrated toward Wales from England based on some of the entries I found 
>from the Library. I hope you can connect the dots with what you have, coz 
>to me it feels like looking for a needle in a haystack!
>Please let me know what you come up with!
>
>Thanks
>
>Tina Braska
>
>

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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Hi Tina,</blockquote> 
Thanks for all of this! I really haven't tackled the SELBYs because they
are thicker than sandfleas- EVERYWHERE!!&nbsp; As to 'our' Phillip, he
shows in the records as &quot;Selby Phillip&quot; Phillip Selby&quot; and
was buried as Phillip SHELBY in 1731, in Tregaron. 
There are also a few original Tax rolls in Washington Co VA in [I think]
1781/82, for a Phillip Shelby-have not found anything further on him in
that county - The name is clear on the records. He could well be the
father of Samuel Shelby who married Susanna Zimmerlie. 
According to what has [so far] been found in what church records we have
in Wales, the SHELBY name got its start in 1709-with a Jois SHELBY-have
not come across the name again in anything, but that is the way it is
spelled on the original record 
We are most definitely not finished with Wales!&nbsp; There are still a
lot we don't know about Rees and Mary Shelby, despite Johnnie M Johnson's
500 pages book on them! We still don't have the needed proof that Rees
was a son of Evan and Catherine- a grandson [Jef Shelby] of Ruby Jane
Shelby, more recently, said that her info was wrong on this, and that
Rees was Evan's brother, not a son. That Ruby got so excited over finding
Evan, that she stopped copying what she had found for Rees! Ruby had said
as much to me in her letters in 1977. 
So, this too needs further checking..We do know [now] that the Rachel was
Baptised in 1721, and who married McFarland/Pindell, was the daughter of
REES not Evan and Catherine! 
I suspect that somewhere between the time Ruby saw the original records
at the church in 1968, and the time that others; and Ron Shelby [abt
1999], saw the records at the Library of Wales, something has gone
missing. The Baptismal record for Evan and Catherine (Morgan) Shelby's
daughter Elenora Bapt 1730 at St Caron's, is either now missing or was
overlooked.. 
So these are the type 'stuff' we need to get clarified, if it is all
possible! 
Need to throw in a word of caution here- Tina you have your listing
marked as SHELBYs in London marriages...But all show as SELBY..We can't
assume at this point, especially from printed data that these were
actually Shelby's... 
Your FIRST listing of SHELBYs in London 1442, etc...was this from a
printed list posted by someone??? Would be fantastic to find the
SHELBY name that early, and, in London! Gotta stay open minded about
this..with a grain of doubt. 
Good work Tina! Someday we may have the correct answer! 
Judy 
 
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Message----- 
From: Tina Braska 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:09 AM 
To: 'shelby@lists.trolinger.com' 
Subject: RE: [shelby research][Fwd: Something I found in the
Library of wales.] 
Judith, 
&nbsp; 
You may have these, but wanted
to send to you anyway. On the word doc. are some more entries that I
copied from the Library of Wales. I tried to do a little research on each
entry, but again I am not much for detail.&nbsp; The other 2 can be
opened using your browser window, as it is in HTML format. I went to the
origins.net website and found these. I guess the reason I went in that
direction was a thought that maybe the Selby clan had migrated toward
Wales from England based on some of the entries I found from the Library.
I hope you can connect the dots with what you have, coz to me it feels
like looking for a needle in a haystack! 
Please let me know what you
come up with! 
&nbsp; 
Thanks 
&nbsp; 
Tina Braska 
 
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