FW: [shelby research][Fwd: Something I found in the Library of wales.]

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Hi Judith,
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My fault when I downloaded the file I saved it as Shelby, force of habit =
I guess. I would assume this is good and valid information, as I took it =
from Origins.net. There was a minimal fee to obtain info. The html files =
were downloaded, but the others I copied and pasted to an excel or word =
doc.  Would have loved to have found something on Philip. How can I =
obtain a copy of Johnnie's book? Would it be something that I could =
order?  My Mom told me a long time ago that my Aunt had alot of info on =
the Shelby's in a trunk given to her when my Grandmother died. Here's =
the bad thing....I haven't talked to her in 30 years. Hmmm.. about time =
to start mending fences I think.=20
=20
Thanks
Tina Braska=20

 -----Original Message-----
From: Judith A Trolinger [mailto:hoberta@hilconet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:07 AM
To: shelby@lists.trolinger.com
Subject: Re: FW: [shelby research][Fwd: Something I found in the Library =
of wales.]

Hi Tina,

Thanks for all of this! I really haven't tackled the SELBYs because they =
are thicker than sandfleas- EVERYWHERE!!  As to 'our' Phillip, he shows =
in the records as "Selby Phillip" Phillip Selby" and was buried as =
Phillip SHELBY in 1731, in Tregaron.

There are also a few original Tax rolls in Washington Co VA in [I think] =
1781/82, for a Phillip Shelby-have not found anything further on him in =
that county - The name is clear on the records. He could well be the =
father of Samuel Shelby who married Susanna Zimmerlie.

According to what has [so far] been found in what church records we have =
in Wales, the SHELBY name got its start in 1709-with a Jois SHELBY-have =
not come across the name again in anything, but that is the way it is =
spelled on the original record

We are most definitely not finished with Wales!  There are still a lot =
we don't know about Rees and Mary Shelby, despite Johnnie M Johnson's =
500 pages book on them! We still don't have the needed proof that Rees =
was a son of Evan and Catherine- a grandson [Jef Shelby] of Ruby Jane =
Shelby, more recently, said that her info was wrong on this, and that =
Rees was Evan's brother, not a son. That Ruby got so excited over =
finding Evan, that she stopped copying what she had found for Rees! Ruby =
had said as much to me in her letters in 1977.
So, this too needs further checking..We do know [now] that the Rachel =
was Baptised in 1721, and who married McFarland/Pindell, was the =
daughter of REES not Evan and Catherine!

I suspect that somewhere between the time Ruby saw the original records =
at the church in 1968, and the time that others; and Ron Shelby [abt =
1999], saw the records at the Library of Wales, something has gone =
missing. The Baptismal record for Evan and Catherine (Morgan) Shelby's =
daughter Elenora Bapt 1730 at St Caron's, is either now missing or was =
overlooked..

So these are the type 'stuff' we need to get clarified, if it is all =
possible!

Need to throw in a word of caution here- Tina you have your listing =
marked as SHELBYs in London marriages...But all show as SELBY..We can't =
assume at this point, especially from printed data that these were =
actually Shelby's...
Your FIRST listing of SHELBYs in London 1442, etc...was this from a =
printed list posted by someone??? Would be fantastic to find the SHELBY =
name that early, and, in London! Gotta stay open minded about this..with =
a grain of doubt.

Good work Tina! Someday we may have the correct answer!

Judy

-----Original Message-----
From: Tina Braska=20
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:09 AM
To: 'shelby@lists.trolinger.com'
Subject: RE: [shelby research][Fwd: Something I found in the Library of =
wales.]

Judith,
=20
You may have these, but wanted to send to you anyway. On the word doc. =
are some more entries that I copied from the Library of Wales. I tried =
to do a little research on each entry, but again I am not much for =
detail.  The other 2 can be opened using your browser window, as it is =
in HTML format. I went to the origins.net website and found these. I =
guess the reason I went in that direction was a thought that maybe the =
Selby clan had migrated toward Wales from England based on some of the =
entries I found from the Library. I hope you can connect the dots with =
what you have, coz to me it feels like looking for a needle in a =
haystack!=20
Please let me know what you come up with!=20
=20
Thanks
=20
Tina Braska=20

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fault when I downloaded the file I saved it as Shelby, force of habit I =
guess. I=20
would assume this is good and valid information, as I took it from =
Origins.net.=20
There was a minimal fee to obtain info. The html files were downloaded, =
but the=20
others I copied and pasted to an excel or word doc.&nbsp; Would have =
loved to=20
have found something on Philip. How can I obtain a copy of Johnnie's =
book? Would=20
it be something that I could order? &nbsp;My Mom told me a long time ago =
that my=20
Aunt had alot of info on the Shelby's in a trunk given to her when my=20
Grandmother died. Here's the bad thing....I haven't talked to her in 30 =
years.=20
Hmmm.. about time to start mending fences I think. </DIV>
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class=3D166414820-07112003>&nbsp;</SPAN>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
Judith A Trolinger [mailto:hoberta@hilconet.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, =

November 07, 2003 7:07 AM To:=20
shelby@lists.trolinger.com Subject: Re: FW: [shelby =
research][Fwd:=20
Something I found in the Library of wales.] </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
 <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Hi =
Tina,</BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks for=20
 all of this! I really haven't tackled the SELBYs because they are =
thicker than=20
 sandfleas- EVERYWHERE!!&nbsp; As to 'our' Phillip, he shows in the =
records as=20
 "Selby Phillip" Phillip Selby" and was buried as Phillip SHELBY in =
1731, in=20
 Tregaron. There are also a few original Tax rolls in Washington =
Co VA=20
 in [I think] 1781/82, for a Phillip Shelby-have not found anything =
further on=20
 him in that county - The name is clear on the records. He could well =
be the=20
 father of Samuel Shelby who married Susanna =
Zimmerlie. According to=20
 what has [so far] been found in what church records we have in Wales, =
the=20
 SHELBY name got its start in 1709-with a Jois SHELBY-have not come =
across the=20
 name again in anything, but that is the way it is spelled on the =
original=20
 record We are most definitely not finished with Wales!&nbsp; =
There are=20
 still a lot we don't know about Rees and Mary Shelby, despite Johnnie =
M=20
 Johnson's 500 pages book on them! We still don't have the needed proof =
that=20
 Rees was a son of Evan and Catherine- a grandson [Jef Shelby] of Ruby =
Jane=20
 Shelby, more recently, said that her info was wrong on this, and that =
Rees was=20
 Evan's brother, not a son. That Ruby got so excited over finding Evan, =
that=20
 she stopped copying what she had found for Rees! Ruby had said as much =
to me=20
 in her letters in 1977. So, this too needs further checking..We do =
know=20
 [now] that the Rachel was Baptised in 1721, and who married =
McFarland/Pindell,=20
 was the daughter of REES not Evan and Catherine! I suspect that =

  somewhere between the time Ruby saw the original records at the church =
in=20
  1968, and the time that others; and Ron Shelby [abt 1999], saw the =
records at=20
  the Library of Wales, something has gone missing. The Baptismal record =
for=20
  Evan and Catherine (Morgan) Shelby's daughter Elenora Bapt 1730 at St =
Caron's,=20
  is either now missing or was overlooked..<BR><BR>So these are the type =
'stuff'=20
  we need to get clarified, if it is all possible!<BR><BR>Need to throw =
in a=20
  word of caution here- Tina you have your listing marked as SHELBYs in =
London=20
  marriages...But all show as SELBY..We can't assume at this point, =
especially=20
  from <U>printed</U> data that these were actually Shelby's...<BR>Your =
FIRST=20
  listing of SHELBYs in London 1442, etc...was this from a =
<U>printed</U> list=20
  posted by someone??? Would be fantastic to find the SHELBY name that =
early,=20
  and, in London! Gotta stay open minded about this..with a grain of=20
  doubt.<BR><BR>Good work Tina! Someday we may have the correct=20
  answer!<BR><BR>Judy<BR><BR><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><FONT face=3Dtahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tina Braska=20
    <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 31, 2003 11:09 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
    'shelby@lists.trolinger.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [shelby =
research][Fwd:=20
    Something I found in the Library of wales.]<BR><BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3Darial=20
    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Judith,</FONT><BR>&nbsp;<BR><FONT =
face=3Darial=20
    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>You may have these, but wanted to send to =
you anyway.=20
    On the word doc. are some more entries that I copied from the =
Library of=20
    Wales. I tried to do a little research on each entry, but again I am =
not=20
    much for detail.&nbsp; The other 2 can be opened using your browser =
window,=20
    as it is in HTML format. I went to the origins.net website and found =
these.=20
    I guess the reason I went in that direction was a thought that maybe =
the=20
    Selby clan had migrated toward Wales from England based on some of =
the=20
    entries I found from the Library. I hope you can connect the dots =
with what=20
    you have, coz to me it feels like looking for a needle in a =
haystack!=20
    </FONT><BR><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Please let me =
know what you=20
    come up with! </FONT><BR>&nbsp;<BR><FONT face=3Darial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>Thanks</FONT><BR>&nbsp;<BR><FONT face=3D"Script MT =
Bold">Tina=20
    Braska</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
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