From shelby@lists.trolinger.com Sat Feb 18 22:46:14 2006
From: shelby@lists.trolinger.com (June Barker)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:46:14 -0600
Subject: [shelby research]Rachel Shelby
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Judy,
I was going over some of the older messages on the list and came across this portion of a message:
on 11/7/03 9:06 AM, Judith A Trolinger at hoberta@hilconet.com wrote:
"We do know [now] that the Rachel was
Baptised in 1721, and who married McFarland/Pindell, was the daughter of
REES not Evan and Catherine!"
Are you referring to who I have listed as Riceus Shelby born abt. 1693 Tregaron, Cardiganshire, Wales (son of Phillip Selby) ?
June Barker
djune@earthlink.net
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Judy,
I was going over some of the older messages on the list and came across this portion of a message:
on 11/7/03 9:06 AM, Judith A Trolinger at
hoberta@hilconet.com wrote:
"We do know [now] that the Rachel was
Baptised in 1721, and who married McFarland/Pindell, was the daughter of
REES not Evan and Catherine!"
Are you referring to who I have listed as Riceus Shelby born abt. 1693 Tregaron, Cardiganshire, Wales (son of Phillip Selby) ?
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From shelby@lists.trolinger.com Sun Feb 19 04:26:29 2006
From: shelby@lists.trolinger.com (Judith A Trolinger)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:26:29 -0600
Subject: [shelby research]Rachel Shelby
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Hi June,
Yes, to your question...
In 1968 Miss Ruby Jane Shelby went to Tregaron..But it wasn't until
after she got home that she wrote back to the church asking the Vicar
to copy the Christening records for Evan's children- Even though Rees
Shelby was her ancestor, she was more excited about finding Evan..So
ignored the Riceus she had found.
[In letters to me in the early 1970s, she didn't state what she had
found on Riceus, only that she stopped copying records when she came
across Evan and Catherine...]
The Vicar wrote back giving Ruby the data she requested- BUT gave
Rachel with the 1721 date, as Evan & Catherine's daughter... The
assumption was the Vicar knew his records...
Christening records from St Caron's Church very clearly shows: 10 Oct
1721 Rachel Shelby fil Recei Shelby.. She is the only Shelby shown on
this date..
It seems that researchers were more interested in finding Evan and
Catherine, and ignored the records for Rees/Riceus... Did this
Riceus/Recei and his wife die- and their child or children taken to
America by Evan and Catherine??? Are there records still in Wales to
be found for Riceus/Recei and his wife?? Again- More questions than answers!
It was Cass Knight Shelby who gave Rees his estimated birth date of
1721, based on the 1760 deed in PA, giving land to son Evan, who as
far as we know, was Rees oldest child.
***Sept 1999- I now have a photocopy of the original church record
showing a Rachel, Bapt 21 Oct 1721, as the daughter of a Recei
Shelby. She is the only Shelby shown as being christened this
date...She can't be the daughter of our known Rees..So, was she Evan
Sr's niece, not daughter?
If Evan & Catherine brought a niece and nephew to this country, what
family other than his own children did he bring with him? Had
Rachel's parents died?? Was our known Rees her brother? OR, did Evan
and Catherine also have a daughter Rachel??
++++++++++
I still hesitate to switch parents for Rachel, based solely on this
one record [Bapt data] - We have yet to find a Bapt record for Rees
Shelby, So there is still the possibility there could be another Rachel..
If Evan & Catherine brought a niece to this country, what family [if
any] other than his own children did he bring with him? Had Rachel's
parents died?? Was our known Rees her brother? At least Rachel is
documented from the time of her marriages..
More questions than answers!
Letters, Lillian Chambers (Mrs Arthur J) O'Neill of Chicago, IL to
CKS 1933: 8 Jun - "My mother was Rachel Pindell Coombs, daughter of
Edward Pindell Coombs, who came from near Uniontown, PA, to WI in
1836, dying there in 1849." My mother was named by her father for
his mother, Rachel Pindell, who became the wife of John Coombs..."
Washington County records at Hagerstown, Maryland: Via Cass Knight Shelby [CKS]
Deed Book A, page 556, - 11 Mar 1779. Philip Pindell of Washington
County, farmer, for 450lbs sells to Juba Cummings of same 133 1/2
acres of land in said shire called the "Resurvey on Mills Folly."
adjoining the plantation of Jacob Mills near Licking creek. Signed
Philip Pindell.
Witnesses, John Stull and John Cellar, J.P.'s. Acknowledged before
Stull and Cellar the same day. Also on same day Rachel Pindell, wife
of Philip, was examined privately and out of hearing of her husband
and waived her dower rights in this property. Recorded 18 May 1779.
Judy
At 04:46 PM 2/18/2006, you wrote:
>Judy,
>I was going over some of the older messages on the list and came
>across this portion of a message:
>on 11/7/03 9:06 AM, Judith A Trolinger at
>hoberta@hilconet.com wrote:
>
>"We do know [now] that the Rachel was Baptised in 1721, and who
>married McFarland/Pindell, was the daughter of
>REES not Evan and Catherine!"
>Are you referring to who I have listed as Riceus Shelby born abt.
>1693 Tregaron, Cardiganshire, Wales (son of Phillip Selby) ?
>
>June Barker
>djune@earthlink.net
>
>
>
No genealogical joy matches seeking and finding that which was
thought not to exist.
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Hi June,
Yes, to your question...
In 1968 Miss Ruby Jane Shelby went to Tregaron..But it wasn't until after
she got home that she wrote back to the church asking the Vicar to copy
the Christening records for Evan's children- Even though Rees Shelby was
her ancestor, she was more excited about finding Evan..So ignored the
Riceus she had found.
[In letters to me in the early 1970s, she didn't state what she had found
on Riceus, only that she stopped copying records when she came across
Evan and Catherine...]
The Vicar wrote back giving Ruby the data she requested- BUT gave Rachel
with the 1721 date, as Evan & Catherine's daughter... The assumption
was the Vicar knew his records...
Christening records from St Caron's Church very clearly shows: 10 Oct
1721 Rachel Shelby fil Recei Shelby.. She is the only Shelby shown on
this date..
It seems that researchers were more interested in finding Evan and
Catherine, and ignored the records for Rees/Riceus... Did this
Riceus/Recei and his wife die- and their child or children taken to
America by Evan and Catherine??? Are there records still in Wales to be
found for Riceus/Recei and his wife?? Again- More questions than
answers!
It was Cass Knight Shelby who gave Rees his estimated birth date of 1721,
based on the 1760 deed in PA, giving land to son Evan, who as far as we
know, was Rees oldest child.
***Sept 1999- I now have a photocopy of the original church record
showing a Rachel, Bapt 21 Oct 1721, as the daughter of a Recei
Shelby. She is the only Shelby shown as being christened this
date...She can't be the daughter of our known Rees..So, was she Evan Sr's
niece, not daughter?
If Evan & Catherine brought a niece and nephew to this country, what
family other than his own children did he bring with him? Had
Rachel's parents died?? Was our known Rees her brother? OR, did
Evan and Catherine also have a daughter Rachel??
++++++++++
I still hesitate to switch parents for Rachel, based solely on this one
record [Bapt data] - We have yet to find a Bapt record for Rees
Shelby, So there is still the possibility there could be another
Rachel..
If Evan & Catherine brought a niece to this country, what family [if
any] other than his own children did he bring with him? Had
Rachel's parents died?? Was our known Rees her brother? At least Rachel
is documented from the time of her marriages..
More questions than answers!
Letters, Lillian Chambers (Mrs Arthur J) O'Neill of Chicago, IL to CKS
1933: 8 Jun - "My mother was Rachel Pindell Coombs,
daughter of Edward Pindell Coombs, who came from near Uniontown, PA, to
WI in 1836, dying there in 1849." My mother was named by
her father for his mother, Rachel Pindell, who became the wife of John
Coombs..."
Washington County records at Hagerstown, Maryland: Via Cass Knight Shelby
[CKS]
Deed Book A, page 556, - 11 Mar 1779. Philip Pindell of Washington
County, farmer, for 450lbs sells to Juba Cummings of same 133 1/2 acres
of land in said shire called the "Resurvey on Mills Folly."
adjoining the plantation of Jacob Mills near Licking creek. Signed Philip
Pindell.
Witnesses, John Stull and John Cellar, J.P.'s. Acknowledged before Stull
and Cellar the same day. Also on same day Rachel Pindell, wife of Philip,
was examined privately and out of hearing of her husband and waived her
dower rights in this property. Recorded 18 May 1779.
Judy
At 04:46 PM 2/18/2006, you wrote:
Judy,
I was going over some of the older messages on the list and came across
this portion of a message:
on 11/7/03 9:06 AM, Judith A Trolinger at
hoberta@hilconet.com
wrote:
"We do know [now] that the Rachel was Baptised in 1721, and who
married McFarland/Pindell, was the daughter of
REES not Evan and Catherine!"
Are you referring to who I have listed as Riceus Shelby born abt. 1693
Tregaron, Cardiganshire, Wales (son of Phillip Selby) ?
June Barker
djune@earthlink.net
No genealogical joy matches seeking and finding
that which was thought not to exist.
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