[frers-list]PHRF Rating

Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:51:13 -0400

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I think overall (Kurt you're the class President so chime in here)
considering the age of the boat, the materials currently being built into
newer boats (like the new C&C 9.9 which has a lot of carbon fiber including
the entire mast, a different keel with most of the weight down low which
allows them to stay on their feet even though they have a substantially
lower ballast to displacement ratio than the Frers 33, a water line that is
31 inches longer and basically a completely different bottom shape) would
make you want to take a hard look at adjusting the PHRF of the class.  If
you're racing anything other than one design you're struggling.  The C&C 9.9
has a PHRF of 102 which says it is 12 seconds a mile faster than the Frers
33.  It' honestly a lot faster than that (by observation).  Or the Frers 33
is not as fast as it used to be.

My two cents worth.

Frank Albert 

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Heyward [mailto:heyward@chllh.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:53
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating

A friend here on the Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who raced
on and against (in J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes strongly
that they should be at least 120.  He says he has the data to support it
which he has offered should we decide to ask for reconsideration of the base
rating on the Chesapeake.  I've been reluctant to pursue it since it would
affect others and could backfire given the lower base ratings elsewhere.  

Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
804-747-4500

-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis X
NSSC
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:33 AM
To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating

I'm on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114.  Higher than a lot of
places but still 120 would be better.  At 114 we are one of the slowest
boats in the PHRF "A2" class which runs from about 84 to 119.  At 120 we'd
be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to 154.

Frank Albert
Relentless 

-----Original Message-----
From: >gm [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 21:48
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]PHRF Rating

What's your PHRF rating & where are you located?
>gm

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 think
overall (Kurt you&#8217;re the class President so chime in here) =
considering the age
of the boat, the materials currently being built into newer boats (like =
the new
C&amp;C 9.9 which has a lot of carbon fiber including the entire mast, =
a
different keel with most of the weight down low which allows them to =
stay on
their feet even though they have a substantially lower ballast to =
displacement
ratio than the Frers 33, a water line that is 31 inches longer and =
basically a
completely different bottom shape) would make you want to take a hard =
look at
adjusting the PHRF of the class.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;
</span>If you&#8217;re racing anything other than one design =
you&#8217;re struggling.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>The C&amp;C 9.9 has a PHRF of =
102 which
says it is 12 seconds a mile faster than the Frers 33.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>It&#8217; honestly a lot =
faster than that (by
observation).<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>Or the =
Frers 33 is
not as fast as it used to be.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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Albert <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Allan Heyward
[mailto:heyward@chllh.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 29, =
2004 9:53<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]PHRF Rating</span></font></p>

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A friend here =
on the
Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who raced on and against =
(in
J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes strongly that they should =
be at
least 120.&nbsp; He says he has the data to support it which he has =
offered
should we decide to ask for reconsideration of the base rating on the
Chesapeake.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve been reluctant to pursue it since it would =
affect others
and could backfire given the lower base ratings elsewhere. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=

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Heyward, Jr.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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face=3DArial><span =
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HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER &amp; FEEHAN, P.C.</span></font><font =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Albert Francis X =
NSSC<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 29, =
2004 5:33
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]PHRF
Rating</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I&#8217;m
on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114.&nbsp; Higher than a lot =
of
places but still 120 would be better.&nbsp; At 114 we are one of the =
slowest
boats in the PHRF &#8220;A2&#8221; class which runs from about 84 to =
119.&nbsp; At 120 we&#8217;d
be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to =
154.</span></font></span><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Frank
Albert</span></font></span><font color=3Dblack><span =
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</span></font></span><font color=3Dblack><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> &gt;gm
[mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 28, =
2004 21:48<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> =
[frers-list]PHRF Rating</span></font><font
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color=3Dblack
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What's
your PHRF rating &amp; where are you located?</span></font><font =
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