[frers-list]PHRF Rating

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We haven=92t raced against the C&C 9.9 in our area. We currently rate =
108 in
New England. We won the PHRF New England Championships in 2003 against =
boats
like: Laser 28, Olson 30, Melges 24, Evelyn 32, J34, J29, X =BE Ton, =
J80, and
some S2=92s. The other Frers 33s placed 3rd, 4th, and 6th place in the =
regatta
(results are at:

http://www.phrfne.org/03series.htm).=20

=20

I typically find the rating to be pretty fair. We=92ve struggled against =
the
Melges in light air at times, but stack up against the J105s when we do =
race
them. We=92d have a pretty hard time lobbying for a change in our area. =
Any
changes would be made locally as I understand it (I know we rate 111 on =
Long
Island sound when we race down there). Good luck, and let me know if I =
can
help.

=20

Regards,

=20

Kurt

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis =
X
NSSC
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:51 AM
To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating

=20

I think overall (Kurt you=92re the class President so chime in here)
considering the age of the boat, the materials currently being built =
into
newer boats (like the new C&C 9.9 which has a lot of carbon fiber =
including
the entire mast, a different keel with most of the weight down low which
allows them to stay on their feet even though they have a substantially
lower ballast to displacement ratio than the Frers 33, a water line that =
is
31 inches longer and basically a completely different bottom shape) =
would
make you want to take a hard look at adjusting the PHRF of the class.  =
If
you=92re racing anything other than one design you=92re struggling.  The =
C&C 9.9
has a PHRF of 102 which says it is 12 seconds a mile faster than the =
Frers
33.  It=92 honestly a lot faster than that (by observation).  Or the =
Frers 33
is not as fast as it used to be.

=20

My two cents worth.

=20

Frank Albert=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Heyward [mailto:heyward@chllh.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:53
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating

=20

A friend here on the Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who =
raced
on and against (in J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes =
strongly
that they should be at least 120.  He says he has the data to support it
which he has offered should we decide to ask for reconsideration of the =
base
rating on the Chesapeake.  I=92ve been reluctant to pursue it since it =
would
affect others and could backfire given the lower base ratings elsewhere. =
=20

=20

Allan M. Heyward, Jr.

COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.

804-747-4500

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis =
X
NSSC
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:33 AM
To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating

=20

I=92m on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114.  Higher than a lot =
of
places but still 120 would be better.  At 114 we are one of the slowest
boats in the PHRF =93A2=94 class which runs from about 84 to 119.  At =
120 we=92d
be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to 154.

=20

Frank Albert

Relentless=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: >gm [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 21:48
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]PHRF Rating

=20

What's your PHRF rating & where are you located?

>gm

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We haven&#8217;t raced against the =
C&amp;C
9.9 in our area. We currently rate 108 in New England. We won the =
PHRF New
England Championships in 2003 against boats like: Laser 28, Olson 30, =
Melges
24, Evelyn 32, J34, J29, X =BE Ton, J80, and some S2&#8217;s. The other =
Frers 33s placed 3rd, =
4th, and
6th place in the regatta (results are at:

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a
href=3D"http://www.phrfne.org/03series.htm">http://www.phrfne.org/03serie=
s.htm</a>).
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

I typically find the rating to be =
pretty
fair. We&#8217;ve struggled against the Melges in light air at times, =
but stack
up against the J105s when we do race them. We&#8217;d have a pretty hard =
time
lobbying for a change in our area. Any changes would be made locally as =
I
understand it (I know we rate 111 on Long
 Island sound when we race down there). =
Good
luck, and let me know if I can help.

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kurt</span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Albert Francis X =
NSSC<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 29, =
2004 11:51
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]PHRF
Rating</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I =
think overall
(Kurt you&#8217;re the class President so chime in here) considering the =
age of
the boat, the materials currently being built into newer boats (like the =
new
C&amp;C 9.9 which has a lot of carbon fiber including the entire mast, a
different keel with most of the weight down low which allows them to =
stay on
their feet even though they have a substantially lower ballast to =
displacement
ratio than the Frers 33, a water line that is 31 inches longer and =
basically a
completely different bottom shape) would make you want to take a hard =
look at
adjusting the PHRF of the class.=A0 If you&#8217;re racing anything =
other than
one design you&#8217;re struggling.=A0 The C&amp;C 9.9 has a PHRF of 102 =
which
says it is 12 seconds a mile faster than the Frers 33.=A0 It&#8217; =
honestly a
lot faster than that (by observation).=A0 Or the Frers 33 is not as fast =
as it
used to be.</span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>My =
two cents worth.</span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Frank Albert </span></font></span></p>

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class=3DEmailStyle20><font
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face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Allan Heyward
[mailto:heyward@chllh.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 29, =
2004 9:53<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]PHRF
Rating</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

A friend
here on the Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who raced on =
and
against (in J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes strongly that =
they
should be at least 120.&nbsp; He says he has the data to support it =
which he
has offered should we decide to ask for reconsideration of the base =
rating on
the Chesapeake.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve been reluctant to pursue it since it =
would
affect others and could backfire given the lower base ratings elsewhere. =
&nbsp;

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan M.
Heyward, Jr.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK,
HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER &amp; FEEHAN, P.C.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-747-4500</spa=
n></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=
nt></p>

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color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Albert Francis X =
NSSC<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 29, =
2004 5:33
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]PHRF
Rating</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><span =
class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I&#8217;m on the
Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114.&nbsp; Higher than a lot of =
places but
still 120 would be better.&nbsp; At 114 we are one of the slowest boats =
in the
PHRF &#8220;A2&#8221; class which runs from about 84 to 119.&nbsp; At =
120
we&#8217;d be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to =
154.</span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><span =
class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><span =
class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Frank Albert</span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><span =
class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Relentless </span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><span =
class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></span></p>

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color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> &gt;gm
[mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 28, =
2004 21:48<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [frers-list]PHRF =
Rating</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:2.0in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:2.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What's
your PHRF rating &amp; where are you located?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:2.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&gt;gm</span></f=
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