[frers-list]PHRF Rating
Allan Heyward
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:06:29 -0400
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I will track down my J-29 friend to get the data he offered and let you
all know what I come up with.
Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
804-747-4500
-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Brown, Junius
{PCNA}
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:16 PM
To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
I agree that this is something we should pursue. In my experience with
PHRF committees, the key here is for us as a group to collect race
results. A preponderance of data against a variety of competitors in a
variety of conditions will be required for a rating modification for a
boat as old as ours. We all race, we should be able to gather,
compile and make a case.
-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis
X NSSC
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:51 AM
To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
I think overall (Kurt you're the class President so chime in here)
considering the age of the boat, the materials currently being built
into newer boats (like the new C&C 9.9 which has a lot of carbon fiber
including the entire mast, a different keel with most of the weight down
low which allows them to stay on their feet even though they have a
substantially lower ballast to displacement ratio than the Frers 33, a
water line that is 31 inches longer and basically a completely different
bottom shape) would make you want to take a hard look at adjusting the
PHRF of the class. If you're racing anything other than one design
you're struggling. The C&C 9.9 has a PHRF of 102 which says it is 12
seconds a mile faster than the Frers 33. It' honestly a lot faster than
that (by observation). Or the Frers 33 is not as fast as it used to be.
My two cents worth.
Frank Albert
-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Heyward [mailto:heyward@chllh.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:53
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
A friend here on the Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who
raced on and against (in J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes
strongly that they should be at least 120. He says he has the data to
support it which he has offered should we decide to ask for
reconsideration of the base rating on the Chesapeake. I've been
reluctant to pursue it since it would affect others and could backfire
given the lower base ratings elsewhere.
Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
804-747-4500
-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis
X NSSC
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:33 AM
To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
I'm on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot
of places but still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the
slowest boats in the PHRF "A2" class which runs from about 84 to 119.
At 120 we'd be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to
154.
Frank Albert
Relentless
-----Original Message-----
From: >gm [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 21:48
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
What's your PHRF rating & where are you located?
>gm
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I will track down my J-29 friend to =
get
the data he offered and let you all know what I come up =
with.</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan M. Heyward, =
Jr.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & =
FEEHAN,
P.C.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-747-4500</span></font></p>
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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brown, Junius =
{PCNA}<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 29, =
2004 1:16
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]PHRF
Rating</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I agree that =
this is
something we should pursue. In my experience with PHRF
committees, the key here is for us as a group to collect race
results. A preponderance of data against a variety of =
competitors in
a variety of conditions will be required for a rating modification for a =
boat
as old as ours. We all race, we should be able to =
gather,
compile and make a case.</span></font></p>
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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Albert Francis X =
NSSC<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 29, =
2004 11:51
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]PHRF Rating</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I =
think overall
(Kurt you’re the class President so chime in here) considering the =
age of
the boat, the materials currently being built into newer boats (like the =
new
C&C 9.9 which has a lot of carbon fiber including the entire mast, a
different keel with most of the weight down low which allows them to =
stay on
their feet even though they have a substantially lower ballast to =
displacement
ratio than the Frers 33, a water line that is 31 inches longer and =
basically a
completely different bottom shape) would make you want to take a hard =
look at
adjusting the PHRF of the class. If you’re racing anything =
other than
one design you’re struggling. The C&C 9.9 has a PHRF of =
102 which
says it is 12 seconds a mile faster than the Frers 33. It’ =
honestly a
lot faster than that (by observation). Or the Frers 33 is not as =
fast as it
used to be.</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>My =
two cents worth.</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Frank Albert </span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle20><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Allan Heyward
[mailto:heyward@chllh.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 29, =
2004 9:53<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]PHRF
Rating</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A friend
here on the Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who raced on =
and
against (in J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes strongly that =
they
should be at least 120. He says he has the data to support it =
which he
has offered should we decide to ask for reconsideration of the base =
rating on
the Chesapeake. I’ve been reluctant to pursue it since it =
would
affect others and could backfire given the lower base ratings elsewhere. =
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan M.
Heyward, Jr.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK,
HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-747-4500</spa=
n></font></p>
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color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
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nt></p>
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color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Albert Francis X =
NSSC<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 29, =
2004 5:33
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]PHRF
Rating</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><span =
class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I’m on the
Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot of =
places but
still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the slowest boats =
in the
PHRF “A2” class which runs from about 84 to 119. At =
120
we’d be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to =
154.</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><span =
class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><span =
class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Frank Albert</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><span =
class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Relentless </span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><span =
class=3Demailstyle16><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:2.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> >gm
[mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 28, =
2004 21:48<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [frers-list]PHRF =
Rating</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:2.0in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:2.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What's
your PHRF rating & where are you located?</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:2.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>>gm</span></f=
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