[frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
Allan Heyward
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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Bob
I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've
read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of
things to add, based on my experience:
The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the
stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the
keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know
for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may
not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a
potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the
hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute
to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge:
the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull,
but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in
the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and
that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the
hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other
thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at
least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the
bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel
bolts.
Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and
race.
Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
804-747-4500
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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.
1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in
hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats?
2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is
this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?
3) Any questionable electrical to look for?
4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull
design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.
I live in the Chicago area
Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look
for"
Bob
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bob</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails =
and
races on the </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Chesapeake =
Bay</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>. I’ve read Frank’s response on your =
question 4
and only have a couple of things to add, based on my =
experience:</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the transverse
stringer leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the leading =
edge of
the keel sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition =
into the
hull. I don’t know for certain if this will be true on all =
boats,
as I understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it =
exists, it
creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of =
the
keel at the hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only
contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to =
the bilge:
the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull, =
but a
crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in the =
hull.
This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and that you =
should look
carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. The fix is =
not as
traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to check is the =
keel
bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat (mine) there =
was a mismatch
between stainless in the bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion =
of
several of the keel bolts.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is strong =
as an
ox and a delight to sail and race.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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Jr.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & =
FEEHAN,
P.C.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-747-4500</span></font></p>
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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Stephen, Robert<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February =
01, 2006
7:02 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> =
[frers-list]questions on
a purchase of a frers 33</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am currently interested =
in
purchasing a frers 33.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1)</span></font><font
size=3D1><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Can anyone
update me as to where any specific coring issues in hull or the deck =
area that
might be consistent with most of these boats?</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>2)</span></font><font
size=3D1><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If I wanted
to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is this reasonable or does =
the
installation look like a morphidite?</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>3)</span></font><font
size=3D1><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Any
questionable electrical to look for?</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>4)</span></font><font
size=3D1><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Any concern
on the design as it relates to the keel to hull design or attachment. =
Separate
from a bad grounding.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I live in the Chicago =
area</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks for any advice or =
information
anyone can offer on “what to look for”</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bob</span></font></p>
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