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Robert,
I have one of the two Frers 33's that are currently sailing in the Chicago area. Regards to your questions, 
1. The main problem seems to be with the area under the mast step. There is wood in there which runs from an area just forward of the aft end of the v berth to the transverse stringer just aft of the main bulkhead. If water has gotten into that area (and at this age of boats you can assume there is at least some intrusion on all of the boats) the area becomes spongy and the mast can pump, or the boat will flex along the transverse stringer. Look for a boat that has already had this work done. For more information you can contact Crowleys Yacht Yard as they did the work on my boat (Pepperke 2.0) and another boat that has since shipped out to Salt Lake City (Impetuous) 
2. No electrical problems, at least as far as my boat
3. I have a tiller boat and I would guess that all you'd have to do would be to remove the quadrant hardware and attach a rudder cap to the top of the rudder post. I would assume that its the emergency rudder on the wheel boats and might be the same as the tiller boats. Schaeffer made the rudder cap on our boat. 
4. The keel hull design is a bit strange and if a signidicant amount of water has gotten into the area of the mast step, it can migrate into the keel root. The boat has a keel root which extends some 8 to 12 inches below the hull. The keel bolts extend down this far and attache the keel to the root. Then the keel is encased in a fiberglass sock and the shape is faired into the sock. In fact the eliptical trailing edge on the keel is hollow in some areas.  If the keel root has been degraded due to the water intrusion, them the root has to be rebuilt from the inside as well as the outside. This was done to my boat and Crowleys can fill you in on the details. 
If you have any other questions you can contact me directly at fwitt1@comcast.net. I can also put you in touch with the other Chicago owner who sails Mystified. There may be another boat in Waukegan, although I don't know the name, there was another in Hammond named Seacord, and yet another in Michigan City named The Fearless Frog, but these boats are all inactive from what we can see.  It would be nice to get another Frers into competition in Chicago. 

Frank Wittosch
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> I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33. 
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> 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in 
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<DIV>Robert,</DIV>
<DIV>I have one of the two Frers 33's that are currently sailing in the Chicago area. Regards to your questions, </DIV>
<DIV>1. The main problem seems to be with the area under the mast step. There is wood in there which runs from an area just forward of the aft end of the v berth to the transverse stringer just aft of the main bulkhead. If water has gotten into that area (and at this age of boats you can assume there is at least some intrusion on all of the boats) the area becomes spongy and the mast can pump, or the boat will flex along the transverse stringer. Look for a boat that has already had this work done. For more information you can contact Crowleys Yacht Yard as they did the work on my boat (Pepperke 2.0) and another boat that has since&nbsp;shipped out to Salt Lake City (Impetuous)&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>2. No electrical problems, at least as far as my boat</DIV>
<DIV>3. I have a tiller boat and I would guess that all you'd have to do would be to remove the quadrant hardware and attach a rudder cap to the top of the rudder post. I would assume that its the emergency rudder on the wheel boats and might be the same as the tiller boats. Schaeffer made the rudder cap on our boat. </DIV>
<DIV>4. The keel hull design is a bit strange and if a signidicant amount of water has gotten into the area of the mast step, it can migrate into the keel root. The boat has a keel root which extends some 8 to 12 inches below the hull. The keel bolts extend down this far and attache the keel to the root. Then the keel is encased in a fiberglass sock and the shape is faired into the sock. In fact the eliptical trailing edge on the keel is hollow in some areas.&nbsp; If the keel root has been degraded due to the water intrusion, them the root has to be rebuilt from the inside as well as the outside. This was done to my boat and Crowleys can fill you in on the details. </DIV>
<DIV>If you have any other questions you can contact me directly at <A href="mailto:fwitt1@comcast.net">fwitt1@comcast.net</A>. I can also put you in touch with the other Chicago owner who sails Mystified. There may be another boat in Waukegan, although I don't know the name, there was another in Hammond named Seacord, and yet another in Michigan City named The Fearless Frog, but these boats are all inactive from what we can see.&nbsp; It would be nice to get another Frers into competition in Chicago. </DIV>
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<DIV>Frank Wittosch</DIV>
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