[frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:14:30 -0500
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Alright big question is where all these boats made the same and if =
anyone knows of a different version. Allen your boat was number 14 what =
year was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have been =
built in the same year as mine.
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Thanks,
Frank Albert
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-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Albert, Francis =
X CIV SEA 01
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:09
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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Bob,
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My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water =
getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat there =
was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =
suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these =
discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel =
like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping out. =
That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the keel and =
hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year is =
to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with =
5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then =
next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by =
about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a =
couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =
just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel. =
Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the =
lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up =
being the 5200.
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If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.
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Thanks,
Frank Albert
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-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heyward
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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Bob
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I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've =
read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of =
things to add, based on my experience:
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The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the =
stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the =
keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know =
for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may =
not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a =
potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the =
hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute =
to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge: =
the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull, =
but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in =
the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =
that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the =
hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other =
thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at =
least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the =
bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel =
bolts.
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Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and =
race.
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Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
804-747-4500
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.
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1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in =
hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats?
2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =
this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?
3) Any questionable electrical to look for?
4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =
design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.
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I live in the Chicago area
Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look =
for"
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Bob
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Arial'>Alright big question is where all these boats made the same and =
if
anyone knows of a different version.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</span>Allen your boat was number 14 what year was your boat built?<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Wild thing was number 37 and =
may have
been built in the same year as mine.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Albert, Francis X CIV =
SEA 01<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February =
03, 2006
7:09<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]questions
on a purchase of a frers 33</span></font></p>
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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bo=
b,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My=
boat
may have that new crack problem.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</span>I
noticed last summer water getting in to the bilge area.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This fall when they hauled the =
boat
there was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =
suppose
the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these discussions =
someone
mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel like about 10 to 12 =
inches)
and water from the bilge was seeping out.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</span>That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the =
keel and
hull joint are right at that crack.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</span>Their suggestion for this year is to snug up the keel bolts and =
then
grind out the crack and fill it with 5200, fairing it using =
alcohol.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They said if that =
doesn't work
then next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel =
by
about 3 inches.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Their =
experience
with this process has taught them a couple of things.<span =
style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =
just this
way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Second, 5200 really does not =
want to
let go.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They've had boats =
in the
lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up =
being the
5200.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle20><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If=
anyone
has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about =
it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Allan Heyward<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
02, 2006
12:03<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]questions
on a purchase of a frers 33</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
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Roman"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bob</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font =
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style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails =
and
races on the Chesapeake Bay. I’ve read Frank’s =
response on your question
4 and only have a couple of things to add, based on my =
experience:</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the transverse
stringer leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the leading =
edge of
the keel sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition =
into the
hull. I don’t know for certain if this will be true on all =
boats, as I
understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists,
it creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading =
edge
of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a leak that will =
not only
contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to =
the
bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and =
hull,
but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in =
the
hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =
that you
should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. =
The
fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to =
check
is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat =
(mine)
there was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that caused
substantial erosion of several of the keel bolts.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is strong =
as an
ox and a delight to sail and race.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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Jr.</span></font><font
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style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & =
FEEHAN,
P.C.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Stephen, Robert<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February =
01, 2006
7:02 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> =
[frers-list]questions on
a purchase of a frers 33</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am
currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></f=
ont><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>1)</span></font><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:
7.0pt;color:black'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues =
in
hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these =
boats?</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
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style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>2)</span></font><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:
7.0pt;color:black'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =
this reasonable
or does the installation look like a morphidite?</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>3)</span></font><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:
7.0pt;color:black'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Any questionable electrical to look for?</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>4)</span></font><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:
7.0pt;color:black'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =
design
or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></f=
ont><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></f=
ont><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I live
in the Chicago area</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks
for any advice or information anyone can offer on “what to look =
for”</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></f=
ont><font
color=3Dblack><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Bob</span></font=
><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> &nbs=
p;
</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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