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Allen,
My yard had to drop the keel last year because of a grounding that looked like it kicked the keel off to port by about 5 degrees. Additionally I had a crack in the hull just forward of where the leading edge of the keel joins the hull. They put the hull up on jack stands and they said it normally takes about 5 hours of wailing on the top of the keel bolts with a sledge hammer to loosen it. In my case they took three wacks and it dropped right off. So much for 5200.
Frank Wittosch
Pepperke 2.0
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> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:08:37 -0500
> From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"
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> Bob,
> =20
> My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water =
> getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat there =
> was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =
> suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these =
> discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel =
> like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping out. =
> That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the keel and =
> hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year is =
> to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with =
> 5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then =
> next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by =
> about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a =
> couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =
> just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel. =
> Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the =
> lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up =
> being the 5200.
> =20
> If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.
> =20
> Thanks,
> Frank Albert
> =20
> =20
> =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heyward
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
> =20
> Bob
> =20
> I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've =
> read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of =
> things to add, based on my experience:
> =20
> The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the =
> stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the =
> keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know =
> for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may =
> not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a =
> potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the =
> hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute =
> to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge: =
> the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull, =
> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in =
> the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =
> that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the =
> hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other =
> thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at =
> least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the =
> bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel =
> bolts.
> =20
> Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and =
> race.
> =20
> Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
> 804-747-4500
> =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
> =20
> I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.
> =20
> 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in =
> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats?
> 2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =
> this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?
> 3) Any questionable electrical to look for?
> 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =
> design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.
> =20
> =20
> I live in the Chicago area
> Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look =
> for"
> =20
> Bob
> =20
>
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> there was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =
> suppose
> the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these discussions =
> someone
> mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel like about 10 to 12 =
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> and water from the bilge was seeping out.> yes">
> That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the =
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> Their suggestion for this year is to snug up the keel bolts and =
> then grind
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> From:
> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of Allan Heyward
> Sent: Thursday, February =
> 02, 2006
> 12:03
> To: =
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: =
> [frers-list]questions
> on a purchase of a frers 33
>
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> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails =
> and
> races on the Chesapeake Bay. I’ve read Frank’s =
> response on your question
> 4 and only have a couple of things to add, based on my =
> experience:> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
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> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> > color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
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>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the transverse =
> stringer
> leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the leading edge of the =
> keel
> sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition into the =
> hull.
> I don’t know for certain if this will be true on all boats, =
> as I
> understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists,
> it creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading =
> edge
> of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a leak that will =
> not only
> contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to =
> the
> bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and =
> hull,
> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in =
> the
> hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =
> that you
> should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. =
> The
> fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to =
> check
> is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat =
> (mine)
> there was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that caused
> substantial erosion of several of the keel bolts.> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> > color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is strong =
> as an
> ox and a delight to sail and race.> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
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> style=3D'font-size:
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> Jr.> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
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> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & =
> FEEHAN,
> P.C.> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
> windowtext'>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
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> face=3DTahoma>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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> From:
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> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] > style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, February =
> 01, 2006
> 7:02 AM
> To: =
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: =
> [frers-list]questions on
> a purchase of a frers 33> style=3D'color:
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> color=3Dblack
> face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am
> currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
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> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>1)> style=3D'font-size:
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> > size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues =
> in
> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these =
> boats?> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>2)> style=3D'font-size:
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> > size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =
> this
> reasonable or does the installation look like a =
> morphidite?> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>3)> style=3D'font-size:
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> > size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>Any questionable electrical to look for?> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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> > size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =
> design
> or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
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> color=3Dblack
> face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks
> for any advice or information anyone can offer on “what to look =
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> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:14:30 -0500
> From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"
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> Alright big question is where all these boats made the same and if =
> anyone knows of a different version. Allen your boat was number 14 what =
> year was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have been =
> built in the same year as mine.
> =20
> Thanks,
> Frank Albert
> =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Albert, Francis =
> X CIV SEA 01
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:09
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
> =20
> Bob,
> =20
> My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water =
> getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat there =
> was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =
> suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these =
> discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel =
> like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping out. =
> That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the keel and =
> hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year is =
> to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with =
> 5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then =
> next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by =
> about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a =
> couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =
> just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel. =
> Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the =
> lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up =
> being the 5200.
> =20
> If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.
> =20
> Thanks,
> Frank Albert
> =20
> =20
> =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heyward
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
> =20
> Bob
> =20
> I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've =
> read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of =
> things to add, based on my experience:
> =20
> The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the =
> stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the =
> keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know =
> for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may =
> not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a =
> potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the =
> hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute =
> to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge: =
> the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull, =
> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in =
> the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =
> that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the =
> hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other =
> thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at =
> least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the =
> bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel =
> bolts.
> =20
> Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and =
> race.
> =20
> Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
> 804-747-4500
> =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
> =20
> I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.
> =20
> 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in =
> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats?
> 2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =
> this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?
> 3) Any questionable electrical to look for?
> 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =
> design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.
> =20
> =20
> I live in the Chicago area
> Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look =
> for"
> =20
> Bob
> =20
>
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> face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
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> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of Albert, Francis X CIV =
> SEA 01
> Sent: Friday, February =
> 03, 2006
> 7:09
> To: =
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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> [frers-list]questions
> on a purchase of a frers 33
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> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My=
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> noticed last summer water getting in to the bilge area.> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> This fall when they hauled the =
> boat
> there was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =
> suppose
> the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these discussions =
> someone
> mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel like about 10 to 12 =
> inches)
> and water from the bilge was seeping out.> yes">
> That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the =
> keel and
> hull joint are right at that crack.> yes">
> Their suggestion for this year is to snug up the keel bolts and =
> then
> grind out the crack and fill it with 5200, fairing it using =
> alcohol.> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> They said if that =
> doesn't work
> then next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel =
> by
> about 3 inches. Their =
> experience
> with this process has taught them a couple of things.> style=3D"mso-spacerun:
> yes"> First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =
> just this
> way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel.> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> Second, 5200 really does not =
> want to
> let go. They've had boats =
> in the
> lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up =
> being the
> 5200.
>
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> anyone
> has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about =
> it.
>
>
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> style=3D'font-size:
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> From: =
> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
> Behalf Of Allan Heyward
> Sent: Thursday, February =
> 02, 2006
> 12:03
> To: =
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: =
> [frers-list]questions
> on a purchase of a frers 33> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
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>
>
> Roman">> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]>> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
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> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bob> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
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> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> > color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails =
> and
> races on the Chesapeake Bay. I’ve read Frank’s =
> response on your question
> 4 and only have a couple of things to add, based on my =
> experience:> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> > color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the transverse
> stringer leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the leading =
> edge of
> the keel sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition =
> into the
> hull. I don’t know for certain if this will be true on all =
> boats, as I
> understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists,
> it creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading =
> edge
> of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a leak that will =
> not only
> contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to =
> the
> bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and =
> hull,
> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in =
> the
> hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =
> that you
> should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. =
> The
> fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to =
> check
> is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat =
> (mine)
> there was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that caused
> substantial erosion of several of the keel bolts.> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> > color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is strong =
> as an
> ox and a delight to sail and race.> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> > color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
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> Jr.> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & =
> FEEHAN,
> P.C.> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
> windowtext'>
>
>
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-747-4500> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
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>
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> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] > style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, February =
> 01, 2006
> 7:02 AM
> To: =
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> Subject: =
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> a purchase of a frers 33> style=3D'color:
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>
> color=3Dblack
> face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am
> currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
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>
>
> color=3Dblack
> face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> > ont>> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
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>
> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>1)> style=3D'font-size:
> 7.0pt;color:black'> =
> > size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues =
> in
> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these =
> boats?> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>2)> style=3D'font-size:
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> > size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =
> this reasonable
> or does the installation look like a morphidite?> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
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>
>
> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>3)> style=3D'font-size:
> 7.0pt;color:black'> =
> > size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>Any questionable electrical to look for?> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>4)> style=3D'font-size:
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> > size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black'>Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =
> design
> or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.> color=3Dblack>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><=
> /p>
>
>
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>
> color=3Dblack
> face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I live
> in the Chicago area> style=3D'color:black;
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>
> color=3Dblack
> face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks
> for any advice or information anyone can offer on “what to look =
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<DIV>Allen,</DIV>
<DIV>My yard had to drop the keel last year because of a grounding that looked like it kicked the keel off to port by about 5 degrees. Additionally I had a crack in the hull just forward of where the leading edge of the keel joins the hull. They put the hull up on jack stands and they said it normally takes about 5 hours of wailing on the top of the keel bolts with a sledge hammer to loosen it. In my case they took three wacks and it dropped right off. So much for 5200. </DIV>
<DIV>Frank Wittosch</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com <BR><BR>> Send frers-list mailing list submissions to <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <BR>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list <BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <BR>> frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at <BR>> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific <BR>> than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today's Topics: <BR>> <BR>> 1. RE: questions on a purchase of a frers 33 (Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01) <BR>> 2. RE: questions on a purchase of a frers 33 (Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01) <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 1 <BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:08:37 -0500 <BR>> From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01" <FRANCIS.ALBERT@NAVY.MIL><BR>> To: <FRERS-LIST@LISTS.FRERS33.COM><BR>> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. <BR>> <BR>> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C628BA.90344C94 <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; <BR>> charset="iso-8859-1" <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> Bob, <BR>> =20 <BR>> My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water = <BR>> getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat there = <BR>> was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would = <BR>> suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these = <BR>> discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel = <BR>> like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping out. = <BR>> That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the keel and = <BR>> hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year is = <BR>> to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with = <BR>> 5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then = <BR>> next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by = <BR>> about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a = <BR>> couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull = <BR>> just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel. = <BR>> Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the = <BR>> lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up = <BR>> being the 5200. <BR>> =20 <BR>> If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it. <BR>> =20 <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> Frank Albert <BR>> =20 <BR>> =20 <BR>> =20 <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heyward <BR>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03 <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> =20 <BR>> Bob <BR>> =20 <BR>> I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've = <BR>> read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of = <BR>> things to add, based on my experience: <BR>> =20 <BR>> The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the = <BR>> stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the = <BR>> keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know = <BR>> for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may = <BR>> not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a = <BR>> potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the = <BR>> hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute = <BR>> to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge: = <BR>> the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull, = <BR>> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in = <BR>> the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and = <BR>> that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the = <BR>> hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other = <BR>> thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at = <BR>> least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the = <BR>> bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel = <BR>> bolts. <BR>> =20 <BR>> Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and = <BR>> race. <BR>> =20 <BR>> Allan M. Heyward, Jr. <BR>> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C. <BR>> 804-747-4500 <BR>> =20 <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> =20 <BR>> I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33. <BR>> =20 <BR>> 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in = <BR>> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats? <BR>> 2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is = <BR>> this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite? <BR>> 3) Any questionable electrical to look for? <BR>> 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull = <BR>> design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding. <BR>> =20 <BR>> =20 <BR>> I live in the Chicago area <BR>> Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look = <BR>> for" <BR>> =20 <BR>> Bob <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> _________________________________________________________________________= <BR>> ____ <BR>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: <BR>> This Weber-Stephen Products Company e-mail is intended only for <BR>> the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may <BR>> contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from <BR>> disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message <BR>> is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible <BR>> for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby <BR>> notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this <BR>> communication is prohibited. 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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle20><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My= <BR>> boat <BR>> may have that new crack problem.<SPAN yes?> = <BR>> </SPAN>I <BR>> noticed last summer water getting in to the bilge area.<SPAN <BR>> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This fall when they hauled the = <BR>> boat <BR>> there was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would = <BR>> suppose <BR>> the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these discussions = <BR>> someone <BR>> mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel like about 10 to 12 = <BR>> inches) <BR>> and water from the bilge was seeping out.<SPAN ="<BR">> yes"> <BR>> </SPAN>That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the = <BR>> keel and <BR>> hull joint are right at that crack.<SPAN ="<BR">> yes"> <BR>> </SPAN>Their suggestion for this year is to snug up the keel bolts and = <BR>> then grind <BR>> out the crack and fill it with 5200, fairing it using alcohol.<SPAN <BR>> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They said if that = <BR>> doesn't work <BR>> then next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel = <BR>> by <BR>> about 3 inches.<SPAN yes?> </SPAN>Their = <BR>> experience <BR>> with this process has taught them a couple of things.<SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D"mso-spacerun: <BR>> yes"> </SPAN>First most boats had the keels joined to the hull = <BR>> just this <BR>> way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel.<SPAN <BR>> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Second, 5200 really does not = <BR>> want to <BR>> let go.<SPAN yes?> </SPAN>They've had boats = <BR>> in the <BR>> lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up = <BR>> being the <BR>> 5200.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> <BR>> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<B><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Allan Heyward<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, February = <BR>> 02, 2006 <BR>> 12:03<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: = <BR>> [frers-list]questions <BR>> on a purchase of a frers 33</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bob</SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails = <BR>> and <BR>> races on the Chesapeake Bay. I’ve read Frank’s = <BR>> response on your question <BR>> 4 and only have a couple of things to add, based on my = <BR>> experience:</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the transverse = <BR>> stringer <BR>> leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the leading edge of the = <BR>> keel <BR>> sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition into the = <BR>> hull. <BR>> I don’t know for certain if this will be true on all boats, = <BR>> as I <BR>> understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, <BR>> it creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading = <BR>> edge <BR>> of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a leak that will = <BR>> not only <BR>> contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to = <BR>> the <BR>> bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and = <BR>> hull, <BR>> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in = <BR>> the <BR>> hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and = <BR>> that you <BR>> should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. = <BR>> The <BR>> fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to = <BR>> check <BR>> is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat = <BR>> (mine) <BR>> there was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that caused <BR>> substantial erosion of several of the keel bolts.</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is strong = <BR>> as an <BR>> ox and a delight to sail and race.</SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan M. Heyward, = <BR>> Jr.</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & = <BR>> FEEHAN, <BR>> P.C.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: <BR>> windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DTahoma><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original <BR>> Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> <BR>> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <B><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Stephen, Robert<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February = <BR>> 01, 2006 <BR>> 7:02 AM<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> [frers-list]questions on <BR>> a purchase of a frers 33</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color: <BR>> black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
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<P align=3Dleft><BR><FONT ="<BR">> face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = <BR>> size=3D2>________________________________________________________________= <BR>> _____________<BR>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE:<BR>This Weber-Stephen Products = <BR>> Company e-mail is intended only for<BR>the use of the individual or = <BR>> entity to which it is addressed and may<BR>contain information that is = <BR>> privileged, confidential and exempt from<BR>disclosure under applicable = <BR>> law. If the reader of this e-mail message<BR>is not the intended = <BR>> recipient, or the employee or agent responsible<BR>for delivery of the = <BR>> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby<BR>notified that any = <BR>> dissemination, distribution or copying of this<BR>communication is = <BR>> prohibited. 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Thank = <BR>> you.</FONT></P><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C628BA.90344C94-- <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 2 <BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:14:30 -0500 <BR>> From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01" <FRANCIS.ALBERT@NAVY.MIL><BR>> To: <FRERS-LIST@LISTS.FRERS33.COM><BR>> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. <BR>> <BR>> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C628FE.708DCEC6 <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; <BR>> charset="iso-8859-1" <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> Alright big question is where all these boats made the same and if = <BR>> anyone knows of a different version. Allen your boat was number 14 what = <BR>> year was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have been = <BR>> built in the same year as mine. <BR>> =20 <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> Frank Albert <BR>> =20 <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Albert, Francis = <BR>> X CIV SEA 01 <BR>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:09 <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> =20 <BR>> Bob, <BR>> =20 <BR>> My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water = <BR>> getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat there = <BR>> was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would = <BR>> suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these = <BR>> discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel = <BR>> like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping out. = <BR>> That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the keel and = <BR>> hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year is = <BR>> to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with = <BR>> 5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then = <BR>> next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by = <BR>> about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a = <BR>> couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull = <BR>> just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel. = <BR>> Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the = <BR>> lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up = <BR>> being the 5200. <BR>> =20 <BR>> If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it. <BR>> =20 <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> Frank Albert <BR>> =20 <BR>> =20 <BR>> =20 <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heyward <BR>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03 <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> =20 <BR>> Bob <BR>> =20 <BR>> I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've = <BR>> read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of = <BR>> things to add, based on my experience: <BR>> =20 <BR>> The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the = <BR>> stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the = <BR>> keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know = <BR>> for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may = <BR>> not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a = <BR>> potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the = <BR>> hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute = <BR>> to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge: = <BR>> the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull, = <BR>> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in = <BR>> the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and = <BR>> that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the = <BR>> hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other = <BR>> thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at = <BR>> least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the = <BR>> bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel = <BR>> bolts. <BR>> =20 <BR>> Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and = <BR>> race. <BR>> =20 <BR>> Allan M. Heyward, Jr. <BR>> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C. <BR>> 804-747-4500 <BR>> =20 <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> =20 <BR>> I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33. <BR>> =20 <BR>> 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in = <BR>> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats? <BR>> 2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is = <BR>> this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite? <BR>> 3) Any questionable electrical to look for? <BR>> 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull = <BR>> design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding. <BR>> =20 <BR>> =20 <BR>> I live in the Chicago area <BR>> Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look = <BR>> for" <BR>> =20 <BR>> Bob <BR>> =20 <BR>> <BR>> _________________________________________________________________________= <BR>> ____ <BR>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: <BR>> This Weber-Stephen Products Company e-mail is intended only for <BR>> the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may <BR>> contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from <BR>> disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message <BR>> is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible <BR>> for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby <BR>> notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this <BR>> communication is prohibited. 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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle20><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My= <BR>> boat <BR>> may have that new crack problem.<SPAN yes?> = <BR>> </SPAN>I <BR>> noticed last summer water getting in to the bilge area.<SPAN <BR>> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This fall when they hauled the = <BR>> boat <BR>> there was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would = <BR>> suppose <BR>> the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these discussions = <BR>> someone <BR>> mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel like about 10 to 12 = <BR>> inches) <BR>> and water from the bilge was seeping out.<SPAN ="<BR">> yes"> <BR>> </SPAN>That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the = <BR>> keel and <BR>> hull joint are right at that crack.<SPAN ="<BR">> yes"> <BR>> </SPAN>Their suggestion for this year is to snug up the keel bolts and = <BR>> then <BR>> grind out the crack and fill it with 5200, fairing it using = <BR>> alcohol.<SPAN <BR>> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They said if that = <BR>> doesn't work <BR>> then next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel = <BR>> by <BR>> about 3 inches.<SPAN yes?> </SPAN>Their = <BR>> experience <BR>> with this process has taught them a couple of things.<SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D"mso-spacerun: <BR>> yes"> </SPAN>First most boats had the keels joined to the hull = <BR>> just this <BR>> way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel.<SPAN <BR>> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Second, 5200 really does not = <BR>> want to <BR>> let go.<SPAN yes?> </SPAN>They've had boats = <BR>> in the <BR>> lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up = <BR>> being the <BR>> 5200.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle20><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If= <BR>> anyone <BR>> has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about = <BR>> it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<B><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On <BR>> Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Allan Heyward<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, February = <BR>> 02, 2006 <BR>> 12:03<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: = <BR>> [frers-list]questions <BR>> on a purchase of a frers 33</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bob</SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails = <BR>> and <BR>> races on the Chesapeake Bay. I’ve read Frank’s = <BR>> response on your question <BR>> 4 and only have a couple of things to add, based on my = <BR>> experience:</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the transverse <BR>> stringer leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the leading = <BR>> edge of <BR>> the keel sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition = <BR>> into the <BR>> hull. I don’t know for certain if this will be true on all = <BR>> boats, as I <BR>> understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, <BR>> it creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading = <BR>> edge <BR>> of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a leak that will = <BR>> not only <BR>> contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to = <BR>> the <BR>> bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and = <BR>> hull, <BR>> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in = <BR>> the <BR>> hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and = <BR>> that you <BR>> should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. = <BR>> The <BR>> fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to = <BR>> check <BR>> is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat = <BR>> (mine) <BR>> there was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that caused <BR>> substantial erosion of several of the keel bolts.</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is strong = <BR>> as an <BR>> ox and a delight to sail and race.</SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan M. Heyward, = <BR>> Jr.</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & = <BR>> FEEHAN, <BR>> P.C.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: <BR>> windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-747-4500</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DTahoma><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original <BR>> Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> <BR>> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <B><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Stephen, Robert<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February = <BR>> 01, 2006 <BR>> 7:02 AM<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> [frers-list]questions on <BR>> a purchase of a frers 33</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color: <BR>> black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am <BR>> currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.</SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </SPAN></F= <BR>> ont><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal ="<BR">> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><FONT size=3 <BR>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>1)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 7.0pt;color:black'> = <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues = <BR>> in <BR>> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these = <BR>> boats?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal ="<BR">> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><FONT size=3 <BR>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>2)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 7.0pt;color:black'> = <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is = <BR>> this reasonable <BR>> or does the installation look like a morphidite?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal ="<BR">> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><FONT size=3 <BR>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>3)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 7.0pt;color:black'> = <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>Any questionable electrical to look for?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal ="<BR">> style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><FONT size=3 <BR>> color=3Dblack face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>4)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 7.0pt;color:black'> = <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull = <BR>> design <BR>> or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.</SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </SPAN></F= <BR>> ont><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I live <BR>> in the Chicago area</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black; <BR>> mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks <BR>> for any advice or information anyone can offer on “what to look = <BR>> for”</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><= <BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>
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