[frers-list]Main sail area and rudder slop
Rich Peirce
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:43:48 -0500
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I also removed my rudder last year. I was fortunate to have cooperative
bolts and so much slop that I was able to drop the rudder with little pain.
My bushing howerver were epoxied to the rudder shaft rather than cold
pressed in the rudder tube. I mixed an epoxy and aluminum power mixture
that was applied to the shaft and sanded down. I purchased new bushing from
vesconite and cold pressed them in place.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>wrote:
> I can't tell from the diagram posted on the web site what information is
> specified on the sail plan. Class rules unfortunately refer to "original
> spec" for everything rather than explicitly stating.
>
> I am rated with the following I=45, J=13.33, P=39.12, E=15.12
>
> Double check the E or foot length for a typo.
>
> The class does not specify a sail area so you are free to experiment with
> roach. But you are limited by the requirement for a fixed backstay as
> originally designed. Like Dick, my 3DL Main is a pain to tack in light winds
> so don't go too far with roach. I'll try to look up more specs tonight.
>
> Dropping the rudder isn't too much trouble as long as the bolts at the head
> and radial aren't frozen. I had to drill things out, but you may be more
> fortunate. Now I can drop it inside of about 15 mins!
>
> Good luck,
> Art
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: Richard Saunders <rhsaund@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:07 AM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Main sail area and rudder slop
>
> Hi Carl,
>
> My racing main is 321 sq.ft. with 1 full length top batten. My dacron
> cruising main is 305 sq.ft. with 2 full length top battens. The roach on
> both hit the backstay and often annoyingly hang up in light wind conditions.
> I have had no experience with the replacing rudder bearings, yet.
>
> Dick Saunders
> Out of Reach, Hull #18
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Carl Gish <carlgish@yahoo.com>
> *To:* frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2009 10:25:31 AM
> *Subject:* [frers-list]Main sail area and rudder slop
>
> Two questions for the esteemed Frers fleet
>
> 1) I'm getting a new main made and I'm wondering what the most appropriate
> cut us. I've got one qoute for a 290 sqft sail that has minimal roach etc
> and another for a 320 Sq ft sail. I saw no main sail area requirement in the
> Is there a class requirement in the class association rules and regulations.
> What size sail do most boats carry? the measurements I am using are
>
> *I: 45.00*
>
> *J: 13.48*
>
> *P: 39.10*
>
> *E: 13.10*
>
>
>
> 2) Rudder slop - I've got a fair amoint and I've checked out the extensive
> reading provided by a couple people on changing rudder bearings on the site
> but before I take on what seems like a pretty daunting task I was wondering
> (hoping is perhaps a better expression) if there was a relatively
> lightweight way to check the beadring/drop the rudder?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any quidance/advice
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Carl
>
> Pressure Drop
>
>
>
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I also removed my rudder last year.=A0 I was fortunate to have cooperative =
bolts and so much slop that I was able to drop the rudder with little pain.=
=A0 My bushing howerver were epoxied to the rudder shaft rather than cold p=
ressed in the rudder tube.=A0 I mixed an epoxy and aluminum power mixture t=
hat was applied to the shaft and sanded down.=A0 I purchased new bushing fr=
om vesconite and cold pressed them in place.<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Arthur Kelley =
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:akelley@optonline.net" target=3D"_b=
lank">akelley@optonline.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">I can't tell from the diagram posted on the web site what informatio=
n is specified on the sail plan. Class rules unfortunately refer to "o=
riginal spec" for everything rather than explicitly stating.<br>
<br>I am rated with the following I=3D45, J=3D13.33, P=3D39.12, E=3D15.12<b=
r><br>Double check the E or foot length for a typo.<br><br>The class does n=
ot specify a sail area so you are free to experiment with roach. But you ar=
e limited by the requirement for a fixed backstay as originally designed. L=
ike Dick, my 3DL Main is a pain to tack in light winds so don't go too =
far with roach. I'll try to look up more specs tonight.<br>
<br>Dropping the rudder isn't too much trouble as long as the bolts at =
the head and radial aren't frozen. I had to drill things out, but you m=
ay be more fortunate. Now I can drop it inside of about 15 mins!<br><br>
Good luck,<br>Art<br></span><br><br>
<hr>
<span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Fro=
m: </span><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Tahoma">Richard Saunders <<a href=3D"mailto:rhsaund@yahoo.com" target=
=3D"_blank">rhsaund@yahoo.com</a>></span><br>
<span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Sen=
t: </span><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Tahoma">Friday, February 27, 2009 11:07 AM</span>=20
<div><br><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Ta=
homa">To: </span><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: Tahoma"><a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" target=3D"_=
blank">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a></span><br>
</div><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahom=
a">Subject: </span><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: Tahoma">Re: [frers-list]Main sail area and rudder slop</span><br>
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<div><font color=3D"#000000">Hi Carl, </font></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">My racing main is 321 sq.ft. with 1 full lengt=
h top batten.=A0 My dacron cruising main is 305 sq.ft. with 2=A0full length=
top battens.=A0 The roach on both hit the backstay and often annoyingly ha=
ng up in light=A0wind conditions. =A0 I have had no experience with the rep=
lacing rudder bearings, yet.=A0 </font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">Dick Saunders</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">Out of Reach,=A0 Hull #18<br></font></div></di=
v>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, new york, times, serif"=
><br>
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s, serif"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">
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<b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Carl Gish <<a href=
=3D"mailto:carlgish@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">carlgish@yahoo.com</a>>=
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<div><br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mai=
lto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" target=3D"_blank">frers-list@lists.frers3=
3.com</a><br></div>
<div><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, February=
27, 2009 10:25:31 AM<br></div>
<div><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> [frers-list]M=
ain sail area and rudder slop<br></div></font>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetic=
a, sans-serif">
<div>Two questions for the esteemed Frers fleet</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>1) I'm getting a new main made and I'm wondering what the most=
appropriate cut us. I've got one qoute for a 290 sqft sail that has mi=
nimal roach etc and another for a 320 Sq ft sail. I saw no main sail area r=
equirement in the Is there a class requirement in the class association rul=
es and regulations. What size sail do most boats carry? the measurements I =
am using are=A0 <font face=3D"TimesNewRoman,Bold" size=3D"5"><font face=3D"=
TimesNewRoman,Bold" size=3D"5">
<p align=3D"left"><font size=3D"2"><strong>I: 45.00</strong></font></p>
<p align=3D"left"><font size=3D"2"><strong>J: 13.48</strong></font></p>
<p align=3D"left"><font size=3D"2"><strong>P: 39.10</strong></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2"><strong>E: 13.10</strong></font></p>
<p>=A0</p>
<p><font size=3D"3">2) Rudder slop - I've got a fair amoint and I'v=
e checked out the extensive reading provided by a couple people on changing=
rudder bearings on the site but before I take on what seems like a pretty =
daunting task I was wondering (hoping is perhaps a better expression) if th=
ere was a relatively lightweight way to check the beadring/drop the rudder?=
</font></p>
<p><font size=3D"3"></font>=A0</p>
<p><font size=3D"3">Thanks in advance for any quidance/advice</font></p>
<p><font size=3D"3"></font>=A0</p>
<p><font size=3D"3">Regards</font></p>
<p><font size=3D"3"></font>=A0</p>
<p><font size=3D"3">Carl</font></p>
<p><font size=3D"3">Pressure Drop </font></p></font></font></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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