[frers-list]Holding Tanks
Rich Peirce
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I have the exact same setup as Relentless in Moose
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:11 AM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>wrote:
>
> I installed something similar to Dan's set up when I purchased Relentless
> (41621). I didn't add the macerater (probably should have) but I did put in
> a Y valve. Everything initially goes into the holding tank and then can
> either be discharged overboard or vacuumed out at a pump out station.
> That set up meets the legal requirements although it kind of looks like a
> mini-Chernobyl with all of the hoses running through there.
>
> A couple of issues to keep in mind. First, the tanks are generally a tight
> fit in there with one corner right up against the hull. I strapped mine to
> the center line and that holds it well but the top right hand corner was
> still pressed against the hull to avoid a stress crack I slid a piece of
> plywood under that corner to distribute the load. Second, a good plastic
> tank (non-reactive,someone once mentioned installing a stainless steel tank
> which would be eaten away by the waste eventually flooding the boat with
> that stuff.) designed as a holding tank is imperative. You want something
> where orders will not permeate the tank. If you purchase one of those
> flexible bag holding tanks you can expect your entire boat to eventually
> smell like a holding tank. Those bags simply cannot stop odors from
> permeating through the bag into the boat. Lastly, good hoses. This is the
> expensive part but worth EVERY PENNY of the cost. The Series 250
> ShieldsFlex II Marine Water/Exhaust Hose with Wire is a costly, but good,
> choice and provides excellent odor stopping power.
>
> I installed all of the above and have used them extensively for the last 5
> years. The boat smells pretty good, for a boat. What it does not smell
> like is a holding tank.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Frank Albert
> Relentless 41621
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 6/13/10, Dan Boyd <dan.boyd@biogenidec.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan Boyd <dan.boyd@biogenidec.com>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Holding Tanks
>
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 9:02 PM
>
>
> Neal,
>
> We put in a rigid plastic tank (12 gal) when we bought WT. It fit fairly
> neatly under the port side of the v-berth. I did put a macerator pump in
> and a diverter valve (to enable us to bypass the tank). The vent is close
> to the bow on the port side (in the small area that has the triangle plywood
> access panel) and the pump out is on the bow - starboard side.
>
> Overall the system works well. If you want to take a look, let me know.
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
> WildThing
>
> Dan Boyd
> Biogen Idec Inc
> Tel: 1.617.679.2274
> Fax: 1.617.679.3599
>
>
>
> *"Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>*
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> I have been dragging my feet on this due to indecision, so I need some
> advice on installing a holding tank in Vapor Trail.
>
> May I ask for some input on holding tank locations, bags vs Todd tank, hose
> runs, vents, macerators, etc. I have all kinds of ideas but I would like to
> hear what works well, and perhaps more important what does not.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neal
>
> 978 948 7189
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I have the exact same setup as Relentless in Moose<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:11 AM, FRANCIS ALBERT=
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digy.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>I installed something similar to Dan's set up when I purchased Rel=
entless (41621).=A0 I didn't add the macerater (probably should have) b=
ut I did put in a Y valve.=A0 Everything initially goes into the holding ta=
nk and then can either be discharged overboard or <span>vacuumed</span> out=
at a pump out station.=A0 That set up meets the legal requirements althoug=
h it kind of looks like a mini-Chernobyl with all of the hoses running thro=
ugh there.=A0 </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>A couple of issues to keep in mind.=A0 First, the tanks are generally =
a tight fit in there with one corner right up against the hull.=A0 I strapp=
ed mine to the center line and that holds it well but the top right hand co=
rner was still pressed against the hull to avoid a stress crack I slid a pi=
ece of plywood under that corner to distribute the load.=A0 Second, a good =
plastic tank (non-reactive,someone once mentioned installing a stainless st=
eel tank which would be eaten away by the waste eventually flooding the boa=
t with that stuff.)=A0designed as a holding tank is imperative.=A0 You want=
something where orders will not permeate the tank.=A0If you purchase one o=
f those flexible bag holding tanks you can expect your entire boat to event=
ually smell like a holding tank.=A0 Those bags simply cannot stop odors fro=
m permeating through the bag into the boat.=A0 =A0Lastly, good hoses.=A0 Th=
is is the expensive part but worth EVERY PENNY of the cost.=A0 The Series 2=
50 ShieldsFlex II Marine Water/Exhaust Hose with Wire=A0is a costly, but go=
od, choice and provides excellent odor stopping power.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I installed all of the above and have used them extensively for the la=
st 5 years.=A0 The boat smells pretty good, for a boat.=A0 What it does not=
smell like is a holding tank.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Good luck.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Frank Albert</div>
<div>Relentless 41621</div>
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an.boyd@biogenidec.com" target=3D"_blank">dan.boyd@biogenidec.com</a>></=
i></b> wrote:<br></div>
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Re: [<span><span>frers</span></span>-list]Holding Tanks=20
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<div><br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Neal,</font> <br><br><font si=
ze=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">We put in a rigid plastic tank (12 gal) when w=
e bought WT. =A0It fit fairly neatly under the port side of the v-berth. =
=A0I did put a macerator pump in and a diverter valve (to enable us to bypa=
ss the tank). =A0The vent is close to the bow on the port side (in the smal=
l area that has the triangle plywood access panel) and the pump out is on t=
he bow - starboard side.</font> <br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Overall the system works well. =A0=
If you want to take a look, let me know.</font> <br><br><font size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"sans-serif">Cheers,</font> <br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">D=
an</font> <br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">WildThing<br></font><br><font size=3D"=
2" face=3D"sans-serif">Dan Boyd<br>Biogen Idec Inc<br>Tel: =A01.617.679.227=
4<br>Fax: =A01.617.679.3599<br></font><br><br><br>
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face=3D"Arial">I have been dragging my feet on this due to indecision, so I=
need some advice on installing a holding tank in Vapor Trail. =A0</font> <=
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or some input on holding tank locations, bags vs Todd tank, hose runs, vent=
s, macerators, etc. =A0I have all kinds of ideas but I would like to hear w=
hat works well, and perhaps more important what does not. =A0</font> <br>
<font size=3D"3">=A0</font> <br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Thanks,</fo=
nt> <br><font size=3D"3">=A0</font> <br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Nea=
l</font> <br><font size=3D"3">=A0</font> <br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial=
">978 948 7189</font> <br>
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