[frers-list]Origo stove and oven
FRANCIS ALBERT
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:15:29 -0700 (PDT)
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I think Arthur hits the spirt of the rule along with the letter of it.=A0 H=
owever, on my boat I not only didn't get the water heater, I don't even hav=
e the shelf he's talking about so yikes what kind of weight would I be addi=
ng.=A0 Anyone know what the water heater weighs?=A0=20
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Looks like I may not truck the boat up to Newport anytime soon.
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Frank Albert
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--- On Wed, 10/27/10, Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net> wrote:
From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Origo stove and oven
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 4:32 PM
Looking at the rules as spelled out in the Word doc on the site:
5.If the hot water heater (15 lbs) or fuel tank (40 lbs, @1/4 full) or oven=
(40 lbs excluding two burner stove top) have been permanently moved, remov=
ed, or not obtained when the boat was built, a weight equal to the item sha=
ll be affixed in its intended location during all racing events.
A few important principles come out.=A0
1. It does not allow that the stove can be removed, only the oven. We can d=
iscuss how to handle a missing stove in another thread if necessary.=A0
2. The oven is assumed to be replaceable with 40 lbs of weight.=A0
3. Substituted weight must be affixed in the intended location.=A0
4. Anyone want to pull out their fuel tank?
#3 means that hot water heater substitute weight for example, cannot be con=
solidated to the bilge, but must be in the lazarette on the shelf where the=
heater would have been. With regards to the oven I suspect it is generally=
agreed that the weight can be placed in the space below the stove not nece=
ssarily bolted to the bottom of the stove. However it should be noted that =
safety, not only the letter of the rules suggest (require?) that the weight=
s be affixed so that in the event of a knock down that they do not become l=
ife threatening projectiles.=A0
We need to be mindful that the one design rules are designed to ensure that=
an owner who cruises the boat can remain competitive with another boat whi=
ch is used exclusively for racing. It is not designed to be a strategy for =
removing a bunch of distributed weight and consolidating it centerline belo=
w the waterline.=A0
Thoughts?
Art Kelley
On Oct 27, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com> wrote:
...lets all check the Class rules before we start on any weight saving prog=
rams.=A0 I started a fire storm years ago over PBO Backstays and Carbon Fib=
re Rudders.
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:
Anyone interested in purchasing an Origo stove and oven for the Frers 33, l=
ike new condition seldom used.=A0 Intend to replace with an Origo two burne=
r stove, would consider a trade.
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Rod
Equinox
902-444-0016
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<DIV>I think Arthur hits the spirt of the rule along with the letter of it.=
However, on my boat I not only didn't get the water heater, I don't =
even have the shelf he's talking about so yikes what kind of weight would I=
be adding. Anyone know what the water heater weighs? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Looks like I may not truck the boat up to Newport anytime soon.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
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<DIV>--- On <B>Wed, 10/27/10, Arthur Kelley <I><akelley@optonline.net>=
;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>=
<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Origo stove and oven<BR>To: "frers-list@lists.=
frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com><BR>Date: Wednesday, Octob=
er 27, 2010, 4:32 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Looking at the rules as spelled out in the Word doc on the site:</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic; MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; FONT=
-SIZE: 12px" class=3Dyiv80101902s12>5.</DIV><SPAN style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 18p=
x; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-SIZE: 18px" class=3Dyiv80101902s4>If the hot wa=
ter heater (15 lbs) or fuel tank (40 lbs, @1/4 full) or oven (40 lbs exclud=
ing two burner stove top) have been permanently moved, removed, or not obta=
ined when the boat was built, a weight equal to the item shall be affixed i=
n its intended location during all racing events.</SPAN></DIV></SPAN>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>A few important principles come out. </DIV>
<DIV>1. It does not allow that the stove can be removed, only the oven. We =
can discuss how to handle a missing stove in another thread if necessary.&n=
bsp;</DIV>
<DIV>2. The oven is assumed to be replaceable with 40 lbs of weight. <=
/DIV>
<DIV>3. Substituted weight must be affixed in the intended location. <=
/DIV>
<DIV>4. Anyone want to pull out their fuel tank?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>#3 means that hot water heater substitute weight for example, cannot b=
e consolidated to the bilge, but must be in the lazarette on the shelf wher=
e the heater would have been. With regards to the oven I suspect it is gene=
rally agreed that the weight can be placed in the space below the stove not=
necessarily bolted to the bottom of the stove. However it should be noted =
that safety, not only the letter of the rules suggest (require?) that the w=
eights be affixed so that in the event of a knock down that they do not bec=
ome life threatening projectiles. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>We need to be mindful that the one design rules are designed to ensure=
that an owner who cruises the boat can remain competitive with another boa=
t which is used exclusively for racing. It is not designed to be a strategy=
for removing a bunch of distributed weight and consolidating it centerline=
below the waterline. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thoughts?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Art Kelley</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Oct 27, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Neal Melanson <<A href=3D"http://u=
s.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dneal.melanson@gmail.com" rel=3Dnofol=
low target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:neal.melanson@gmail.com"><A href=3D"h=
ttp://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dneal.melanson@gmail.com" rel=
=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:neal.melanson@gmail.com">neal=
.melanson@gmail.com</A></A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>...lets all check the Class rules before we start on any weight saving=
programs. I started a fire storm years ago over PBO Backstays and Ca=
rbon Fibre Rudders.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dyiv80101902gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Rod St=
right <SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/comp=
ose?to=3DStrightR@eastlink.ca" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"ma=
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mc/compose?to=3DStrightR@eastlink.ca" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailt=
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rote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=3Dyiv80101902MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'; COLOR:=
#002060; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Anyone interested in purchasing an Origo stove a=
nd oven for the Frers 33, like new condition seldom used. Intend to r=
eplace with an Origo two burner stove, would consider a trade.</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=3Dyiv80101902MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'; COLOR:=
#002060; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Rod</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv80101902MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'; COLOR:=
#002060; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Equinox</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv80101902MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'; COLOR:=
#002060; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">902-444-0016</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOT=
E><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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