[frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make ?

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Courtney:

I will let others speak to the class rules specifically. But suffice it to say that  to significantly alter the boat would make the frers a different boat. Barry Carroll got a lot right when he designed it. It was Boat of the Year at that time. By far, the sweetest sailing Frers.  This has nothing to do with being a purist-- it has to do with the design of the boat. 
However, here is what I know:
1. Running backs have been modified on some boats (placement of on deck varies, mostly between tiller and wheel boats)
2. Keel has been slightly modified on some boats.  Wolverine has a slightly shorter keel that's "thicker" (hence better downwind). Others, have the standard depth keel.  Boats such as Impetuous, and Checkmate (which followed Impetuous' lead) faired the trailing edge and therefore extended it to a fine edge. So you'll see slight variations. But these are all allowed within class rules.
3. Never heard of anyone shortening the mast. I heard of a Frers 41 owner LENGthening the boom (whichis a real pain in the butt in light air vis a vis the backstay) and another lengthening the mast and keeping the boom. But these were entirely different boats.
4. Mast Steps have been strengthened in nearly every boat, over time. Mine was done by prior owner at New England Boatworks.
5. Rudder bearings have been changed in nearly every boat.  For me, twice so far in 15 yrs.
6. Most rod rigging is replaced as it wears, but not reconfigured.  In terms of other rigging, I've seen different mainsheet arrangements in terms of block purchase vs. fine tune, and most boats have installed the Harken traveller system.
7. Spinnaker poles are now carbon fiber, etc, but not changed otherwise.

 I presume you bought the Frers because you actually liked the boat?

Joyce (Checkmate owner)

----- Original Message -----
From: Courtney Thomas 
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:15 pm
Subject: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com

> Ahoy !
> 
> I am about to undertake a complete refit of a Frers33 and would 
> appreciate all input regarding
> changes you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you 
> had the 
> same opportunity.
> 
> Any suggestions regarding materials and technique regarding 
> typical 
> maintenance and restorative
> procedures are welcome as well, of course.
> 
> In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joint, deck 
> reinforcement, 
> mast support, mast reconfiguration,
> and rigging, both standing and running, and rudder 
> reinstallation... are 
> of particular concern,
> as I'd hate like hell to bear this expense and later come to 
> grief over 
> a choice that could easily now be made
> that would have made a much more salutary difference in time to come.
> 
> An additional note is that the standing rigging is what I assume 
> was the 
> original 'rod' rigging.
> 
> My primary interest is not racing, rather cruising.
> 
> Has anyone shortened or otherwise altered the original mast ?
> 
> Has anyone gone outboard with the chainplates ?
> 
> Please include intended consequences of any suggested alterations.
> 
> Hoping to not cause a firestorm from Frers purists :-)
> 
> In any case, no alterations have been yet made,...
> 
> Appreciatively,
> 
> Courtney Thomas
> 
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