[frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make ?
FRANCIS ALBERT
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Joyce,
=A0
If you think the Frers 33 is the sweetest sailing Frers ever designed then =
you've never watched a Frers 36 sail away from you in a race.=A0 The handic=
ap difference is just 15 seconds but the 36 is much stiffer in a breeze, a =
lot=A0more interior room and a much, much faster boat.=A0 Like a minute a m=
ile faster.=A0 It's sails up, and Good by.=A0 There's a much larger differe=
nce between the two boats than just 36 inches.
=A0
The only problem is they made relatively few of them with the asymmetrical =
keel and those are the really fast ones.
Frank Albert
RELENTLESS
41621
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e:
From: joberdorf@optonline.net <joberdorf@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would y=
ou make ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 5:33 PM
Courtney:
=A0
I will let others speak to the class rules specifically. But suffice it to =
say that=A0 to significantly alter the boat would make the frers a differen=
t boat. Barry Carroll got a lot right when he designed it. It was Boat of t=
he Year at that time. By far, the sweetest sailing Frers.=A0 This has nothi=
ng to do with being a purist-- it has to do with the design of the boat.=20
However, here is what I know:
1. Running backs have been modified on some boats (placement of on deck var=
ies, mostly between tiller and wheel boats)
2. Keel has been slightly modified on some boats.=A0 Wolverine has a slight=
ly shorter keel that's "thicker" (hence better downwind). Others, have the =
standard depth keel.=A0 Boats such as Impetuous, and Checkmate (which follo=
wed Impetuous' lead) faired the trailing edge and therefore extended it to =
a fine edge. So you'll see slight variations. But these are all allowed wit=
hin class rules.
3. Never heard of anyone shortening the mast.=A0I heard of a Frers 41 owner=
LENGthening the boom (whichis a real pain in the butt in light air vis a v=
is the backstay)=A0and another lengthening the mast and keeping the boom. B=
ut these were entirely different boats.
4. Mast Steps have been strengthened in nearly every boat, over time. Mine =
was done by prior owner at New England Boatworks.
5. Rudder bearings have been changed in nearly every boat.=A0 For me, twice=
so far in 15 yrs.
6. Most rod rigging is replaced as it wears, but not reconfigured.=A0 In te=
rms of other rigging, I've seen different mainsheet arrangements in terms o=
f block purchase vs. fine tune, and most boats have installed the Harken tr=
aveller system.
7. Spinnaker poles are now carbon fiber, etc, but not changed otherwise.
=A0
=A0I presume you bought the Frers because you actually liked the boat?
=A0
Joyce (Checkmate owner)
----- Original Message -----
From: Courtney Thomas=20
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:15 pm
Subject: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you m=
ake ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Ahoy !
>=20
> I am about to undertake a complete refit of a Frers33 and would=20
> appreciate all input regarding
> changes you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you=20
> had the=20
> same opportunity.
>=20
> Any suggestions regarding materials and technique regarding=20
> typical=20
> maintenance and restorative
> procedures are welcome as well, of course.
>=20
> In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joint, deck=20
> reinforcement,=20
> mast support, mast reconfiguration,
> and rigging, both standing and running, and rudder=20
> reinstallation... are=20
> of particular concern,
> as I'd hate like hell to bear this expense and later come to=20
> grief over=20
> a choice that could easily now be made
> that would have made a much more salutary difference in time to come.
>=20
> An additional note is that the standing rigging is what I assume=20
> was the=20
> original 'rod' rigging.
>=20
> My primary interest is not racing, rather cruising.
>=20
> Has anyone shortened or otherwise altered the original mast ?
>=20
> Has anyone gone outboard with the chainplates ?
>=20
> Please include intended consequences of any suggested alterations.
>=20
> Hoping to not cause a firestorm from Frers purists :-)
>=20
> In any case, no alterations have been yet made,...
>=20
> Appreciatively,
>=20
> Courtney Thomas
>=20
> --=20
> Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power,
> have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing
> government, and form a new one that suits them better,
> This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right,
> which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.
> Abraham Lincoln
>=20
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Joyce,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you think the Frers 33 is the sweetest sailing Frers ever designed =
then you've never watched a Frers 36 sail away from you in a race. Th=
e handicap difference is just 15 seconds but the 36 is much stiffer in a br=
eeze, a lot more interior room and a much, much faster boat. Lik=
e a minute a mile faster. It's sails up, and Good by. There's a=
much larger difference between the two boats than just 36 inches.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The only problem is they made relatively few of them with the asymmetr=
ical keel and those are the really fast ones.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
<DIV>RELENTLESS</DIV>
<DIV>41621</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 8/17/11, joberdorf@optonline.net <I><joberdorf@o=
ptonline.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: joberdorf@optonline.net <joberdorf@opton=
line.net><BR>Subject: Re: [<SPAN>frers</SPAN>-list]complete refit soon u=
nderway, what changes would you make ?<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<=
BR>Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 5:33 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1100525606>
<DIV>Courtney:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I will let others speak to the class rules specifically. But suffice i=
t to say that to significantly alter the boat would make the frers a =
different boat. Barry Carroll got a lot right when he designed it. It was B=
oat of the Year at that time. By far, the sweetest sailing Frers. Thi=
s has nothing to do with being a purist-- it has to do with the design of t=
he boat. </DIV>
<DIV>However, here is what I know:</DIV>
<DIV>1. Running backs have been modified on some boats (placement of on dec=
k varies, mostly between tiller and wheel boats)</DIV>
<DIV>2. Keel has been slightly modified on some boats. Wolverine has =
a slightly shorter keel that's "thicker" (hence better downwind). Others, h=
ave the standard depth keel. Boats such as Impetuous, and Checkmate (=
which followed Impetuous' lead) faired the trailing edge and therefore exte=
nded it to a fine edge. So you'll see slight variations. But these are all =
allowed within class rules.</DIV>
<DIV>3. Never heard of anyone shortening the mast. I heard of a Frers =
41 owner LENGthening the boom (whichis a real pain in the butt in light air=
vis a vis the backstay) and another lengthening the mast and keeping =
the boom. But these were entirely different boats.</DIV>
<DIV>4. Mast Steps have been strengthened in nearly every boat, over time. =
Mine was done by prior owner at New England Boatworks.</DIV>
<DIV>5. Rudder bearings have been changed in nearly every boat. For m=
e, twice so far in 15 yrs.</DIV>
<DIV>6. Most rod rigging is replaced as it wears, but not reconfigured.&nbs=
p; In terms of other rigging, I've seen different mainsheet arrangements in=
terms of block purchase vs. fine tune, and most boats have installed the H=
arken traveller system.</DIV>
<DIV>7. Spinnaker poles are now carbon fiber, etc, but not changed otherwis=
e.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I presume you bought the Frers because you actually liked the bo=
at?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Joyce (Checkmate owner)</DIV>
<DIV><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Courtney Thomas <BR>Date: Mo=
nday, August 15, 2011 4:15 pm<BR>Subject: [frers-list]complete refit soon u=
nderway, what changes would you make ?<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<=
BR><BR>> Ahoy !<BR>> <BR>> I am about to undertake a complete refi=
t of a Frers33 and would <BR>> appreciate all input regarding<BR>> ch=
anges you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you <BR>> had=
the <BR>> same opportunity.<BR>> <BR>> Any suggestions regarding =
materials and technique regarding <BR>> typical <BR>> maintenance and=
restorative<BR>> procedures are welcome as well, of course.<BR>> <BR=
>> In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joint, deck <BR>> re=
inforcement, <BR>> mast support, mast reconfiguration,<BR>> and riggi=
ng, both standing and running, and rudder <BR>> reinstallation... are <B=
R>> of particular concern,<BR>> as I'd hate like hell to bear
this expense and later come to <BR>> grief over <BR>> a choice that =
could easily now be made<BR>> that would have made a much more salutary =
difference in time to come.<BR>> <BR>> An additional note is that the=
standing rigging is what I assume <BR>> was the <BR>> original 'rod'=
rigging.<BR>> <BR>> My primary interest is not racing, rather cruisi=
ng.<BR>> <BR>> Has anyone shortened or otherwise altered the original=
mast ?<BR>> <BR>> Has anyone gone outboard with the chainplates ?<BR=
>> <BR>> Please include intended consequences of any suggested altera=
tions.<BR>> <BR>> Hoping to not cause a firestorm from Frers purists =
:-)<BR>> <BR>> In any case, no alterations have been yet made,...<BR>=
> <BR>> Appreciatively,<BR>> <BR>> Courtney Thomas<BR>> <BR>=
> -- <BR>> Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power,<=
BR>> have the right to rise up, and shake off the
existing<BR>> government, and form a new one that suits them better,<BR=
>> This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right,<BR>> whic=
h we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.<BR>> Abraham Lincoln<BR=
>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> frer=
s-list mailing list<BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> http://lis=
ts.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<BR>> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE=
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