[frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make ?
FRANCIS ALBERT
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Courtney,
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Below are the things I'd change on the boat and why.=A0 Have fun and good l=
uck.
=A0
Frank Albert
RELENTLESS 41621
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1.=A0 Deeper keel about a foot more, all lead, which would add around 300 l=
bs to the bottom of the keel.=A0 The boat is tender and in a blow you've ne=
arly always got the toe rail in the water.=A0 Or shorten the mast which wou=
ld mean all new sails all new rigging but less heel and less power.=A0 I'm =
pretty sure the boom is set on the mast and cannot be adjusted so you'd pro=
bably need a whole new rig to keep the boom at the same height.
=A0
2.=A0 Larger rudder/Redesigned rudder.=A0 The rudder on the Frers 33 looks =
like a normal size rudder but it is=A0undersized.=A0 The boat will round up=
pretty fast.=A0 I once rounded up so hard we wound up going the other dire=
ction.
=A0
3.=A0 Side windows that open.=A0 There is NO cross ventilation on that boat=
.=A0 If your going to spend some bucks then remove the plastic windows that=
are there now.=A0 Glass up the holes and finish it so it looks like it nev=
er had any windows.=A0 Then cut out and=A0install 4 windows on each side th=
at open which will include one in the bathroom.=A0 Boy that would be sweet.
=A0
4.=A0 If this redo includes the interior make the bathroom bigger/wider.=A0=
Can't go any further into the boat with the head but it could stand to be =
a bit wider.=A0 Anyone ever notice you have to turn sideways to get into th=
e bathroom.=A0 Your shoulders won't fit through the door.=A0
=A0
5.=A0 If you're redoing the toe rail track that runs from the back of the b=
oat to just forward of the side stays then I'd change that from the current=
1/2 inch (slide right off the deck toe=A0rail) to the taller 1 and 3/16ths=
inch.=A0 Now that would be a toe rail that you could really lay your foot =
up to and the top of the track is flat so if folks were sitting on the rail=
it wouldn't be digging into the backs of their legs.=A0 I'd install it wit=
h some pre-cut holes in the bottom so water could drain over the side witho=
ut having to make it's way all the way to the back of the boat.=A0 You'll h=
ave to have the entire track bent to match the boat.
=A0
6.=A0 If all you're ever going to do is cruise then add A/C.=A0 There's roo=
m under the cockpit on the starboard side and it will make life worth livin=
g on those REALLY hot days at the dock.
=A0
7.=A0 Add a 2nd VHF antenna at the top of the mast.=A0 One for the VHF and =
one that can be used for an FM RADIO and split so an ADS can be added to th=
e boat.=A0 Most of the=A0Chart Plotters out there on the market today can a=
ccept ADS info and overlay the boats on your plotter.=A0 Along with that th=
ey can tell you your closest point that you will come together and warn you=
if that means a collision.=A0 I have one and they can see over the horizon=
because there using the masthead antenna.=A0 They're REALLY great at night=
!
=A0
8.=A0 Replace the wheel and all parts.=A0 It looks like it Edison but it's =
not and the pulley's under the deck are set in a cast aluminum bracket that=
will eventually fail.=A0 One of mine failed, on a windy day.=A0 Also have =
a custom made tiller made for the boat that will go OVER the wheel and the =
pedestal.=A0 Trying to drive that boat with the small emergency tiller that=
came with the boat was BRUTAL.=A0 We had to go no more than 800 yards back=
to my slip and it took two people on that tiller with it constantly trying=
to rip its self out of your hands.=A0 Very scary, and I cannot imagine wha=
t it would be like in any large body of water with waves.
9.=A0 Add a nice cockpit canopy.=A0 Shade is a wonderful thing on a long ho=
t sunny day.
=A0
10.=A0 If it doesn't already have one an auto pilot.
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you m=
ake ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 4:14 PM
Ahoy !
I am about to undertake a complete refit of a Frers33 and would appreciate =
all input regarding
changes you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you had the sa=
me opportunity.
Any suggestions regarding materials and technique regarding typical mainten=
ance and restorative
procedures are welcome as well, of course.
In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joint, deck reinforcement, ma=
st support, mast reconfiguration,
and rigging, both standing and running, and rudder reinstallation... are of=
particular concern,
as I'd hate like hell to bear this expense and later come to grief over a c=
hoice that could easily now be made
that would have made a much more salutary difference in time to come.
An additional note is that the standing rigging is what I assume was the or=
iginal 'rod' rigging.
My primary interest is not racing, rather cruising.
Has anyone shortened or otherwise altered the original mast ?
Has anyone gone outboard with the chainplates ?
Please include intended consequences of any suggested alterations.
Hoping to not cause a firestorm from Frers purists=A0 :-)
In any case, no alterations have=A0 been yet made,...
Appreciatively,
Courtney Thomas
-- Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power,
have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing
government, and form a new one that suits them better,
This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right,
which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.
Abraham Lincoln
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Courtney,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Below are the things I'd change on the boat and why. Have fun an=
d good luck.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
<DIV>RELENTLESS 41621</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. Deeper keel about a foot more, all lead, which would add arou=
nd 300 lbs to the bottom of the keel. The boat is tender and in a blo=
w you've nearly always got the toe rail in the water. Or shorten the =
mast which would mean all new sails all new rigging but less heel and less =
power. I'm pretty sure the boom is set on the mast and cannot be adju=
sted so you'd probably need a whole new rig to keep the boom at the same he=
ight.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2. Larger rudder/Redesigned rudder. The rudder on the <SPA=
N>Frers</SPAN> 33 looks like a normal size rudder but it is undersized=
. The boat will round up pretty fast. I once rounded up so hard=
we wound up going the other direction.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>3. Side windows that open. There is NO cross ventilation o=
n that boat. If your going to spend some bucks then remove the plasti=
c windows that are there now. Glass up the holes and finish it so it =
looks like it never had any windows. Then cut out and install 4 =
windows on each side that open which will include one in the bathroom. =
; Boy that would be sweet.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>4. If this redo includes the interior make the bathroom bigger/w=
ider. Can't go any further into the boat with the head but it could s=
tand to be a bit wider. Anyone ever notice you have to turn sideways =
to get into the bathroom. Your shoulders won't fit through the door.&=
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>5. If you're redoing the toe rail track that runs from the back =
of the boat to just forward of the side stays then I'd change that from the=
current 1/2 inch (slide right off the deck toe rail) to the taller 1 =
and 3/16ths inch. Now that would be a toe rail that you could really =
lay your foot up to and the top of the track is flat so if folks were sitti=
ng on the rail it wouldn't be digging into the backs of their legs. I=
'd install it with some pre-cut holes in the bottom so water could drain ov=
er the side without having to make it's way all the way to the back of the =
boat. You'll have to have the entire track bent to match the boat.</D=
IV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>6. If all you're ever going to do is cruise then add A/C. =
There's room under the cockpit on the starboard side and it will make life =
worth living on those REALLY hot days at the dock.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>7. Add a 2nd VHF antenna at the top of the mast. One for t=
he VHF and one that can be used for an FM RADIO and split so an ADS can be =
added to the boat. Most of the Chart Plotters out there on the m=
arket today can accept ADS info and overlay the boats on your plotter. =
; Along with that they can tell you your closest point that you will come t=
ogether and warn you if that means a collision. I have one and they c=
an see over the horizon because there using the masthead antenna. The=
y're REALLY great at night!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>8. Replace the wheel and all parts. It looks like it Ediso=
n but it's not and the pulley's under the deck are set in a cast aluminum b=
racket that will eventually fail. One of mine failed, on a windy day.=
Also have a custom made tiller made for the boat that will go OVER t=
he wheel and the pedestal. Trying to drive that boat with the small e=
mergency tiller that came with the boat was BRUTAL. We had to go no m=
ore than 800 yards back to my slip and it took two people on that tiller wi=
th it constantly trying to rip its self out of your hands. Very scary=
, and I cannot imagine what it would be like in any large body of water wit=
h waves.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>9. Add a nice cockpit canopy. Shade is a wonderful thi=
ng on a long hot sunny day.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>10. If it doesn't already have one an auto pilot.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 8/15/11, Courtney Thomas <I><courtneycthomas@bel=
lsouth.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsou=
th.net><BR>Subject: [<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>frers</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><=
/SPAN>-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make ?<BR>=
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 4:14 PM<=
BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>Ahoy !<BR><BR>I am about to undertake a complete ref=
it of a <SPAN>Frers</SPAN>33 and would appreciate all input regarding<BR>ch=
anges you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you had the same=
opportunity.<BR><BR>Any suggestions regarding materials and technique rega=
rding typical maintenance and restorative<BR>procedures are welcome as well=
, of course.<BR><BR>In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joint, de=
ck reinforcement, mast support, mast reconfiguration,<BR>and rigging, both =
standing and running, and rudder reinstallation... are of particular concer=
n,<BR>as I'd hate like hell to bear this expense and later come to grief ov=
er a choice that could easily now be made<BR>that would have made a much mo=
re salutary difference in time to come.<BR><BR>An additional note is that t=
he standing rigging is what I assume was the original 'rod' rigging.<BR><BR=
>My primary interest is not racing, rather cruising.<BR><BR>Has anyone
shortened or otherwise altered the original mast ?<BR><BR>Has anyone gone =
outboard with the chainplates ?<BR><BR>Please include intended consequences=
of any suggested alterations.<BR><BR>Hoping to not cause a firestorm from =
Frers purists :-)<BR><BR>In any case, no alterations have been =
yet made,...<BR><BR>Appreciatively,<BR><BR>Courtney Thomas<BR><BR>-- Any pe=
ople anywhere, being inclined and having the power,<BR>have the right to ri=
se up, and shake off the existing<BR>government, and form a new one that su=
its them better,<BR>This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right=
,<BR>which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.<BR>Abraham Lincol=
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