[frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose
FRANCIS ALBERT
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT)
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Tom,
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It's been too long.=C2=A0 I can't remember and in fact don't even remember =
where I bought it.
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I do recall it as a thick walled holding tank.=C2=A0 There are water tanks,=
they're thin walled and holding tanks which have the thicker walls.=C2=A0 =
The thicker walls prevent odors from permeating.=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0
Frank
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:
From: Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com>
Subject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:15 PM
Many thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan tank?
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of FRANCIS ALBERT
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose
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Ed,
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First your going to need really, really good hose.=C2=A0 I recommend Triden=
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=C2=A0 It's not chea=
p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=C2=A0smell from this hose.=C2=A0 I=
've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=C2=A0 Next you're goin=
g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=C2=A0 You buy a flexible tank =
and=C2=A0it=C2=A0will stink and you will be sorry.=C2=A0 Someone suggested =
a stainless steel tank once.=C2=A0 You buy that and you're boat will eventu=
ally be filled with waste water.=C2=A0 Nothing but acid is more corrosive t=
han human waste.=C2=A0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect on pl=
astic.=C2=A0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=C2=A0 Everything f=
rom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=C2=A0 From the tank there is=
a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're offshor=
e.
=C2=A0
My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =
that would fit up front.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.=C2=A0 But =
when I sleep in the V-birth just=C2=A03 inches from that stuff and don't sm=
ell anything bad=C2=A0I know it was one of the better boat=C2=A0investments=
.
=C2=A0
Good luck.=C2=A0=20
Frank Albert 41621
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:
From: William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM
Ed,
=C2=A0
Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=
nks, and really good odor control info.
=C2=A0
Bill Thompson=C2=A0
d'Ad lib=C2=A0
Montreal
William Thompson=20
Sent from my iPad
On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=
ote:
Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g=
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Tom
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=
se
=C2=A0
1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=
er water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=
one know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =
as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =E2=80=93 30 ga=
llons.
=C2=A0
2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m also in the process of trying =
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=
tential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does =
anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=E2=80=99ve=
seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything =
is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.
=C2=A0
>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=
to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and=
inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the h=
oses which I could readily get to.
Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the ho=
se attached to it.=20
=C2=A0
My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=
r.
=C2=A0
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
=C2=A0
Thanks
Ed Putnam
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<DIV>It's been too long. I can't remember and in fact don't even reme=
mber where I bought it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I do <SPAN>recall</SPAN> it as a thick walled holding tank. Ther=
e are water tanks, they're thin walled and holding tanks which have the thi=
cker walls. The thicker walls prevent odors from permeating. </=
DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, <SPAN>Bruton</SPAN>, Tom (GECAS) <=
I><Tom.Bruton@gecas.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Many thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan =
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<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-seri=
f'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-seri=
f'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list=
-admin@lists.frers33.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>FRANCIS ALBERT<BR><B>Sent:</B=
> Wednesday, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> frers-list@lists.frers33.=
com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank=
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<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Ed,</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>First your going to need really, really g=
ood hose. I recommend Trident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from De=
fender Marine. It's not cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)&=
nbsp;smell from this hose. I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, n=
o problems. Next you're going to want a thick walled rigid plastic ta=
nk. You buy a flexible tank and it will stink and you will =
be sorry. Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once. You bu=
y that and you're boat will eventually be filled with waste water. No=
thing but acid is more corrosive than human waste. It will eat right =
through SS but has no affect on plastic. I located my tank forward on=
the port side. Everything from the head is pumped directly into the =
tank. From the tank there is a Y valve which allows a pump out or ove=
rboard discharge if you're offshore.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 ga=
llons but it was the biggest tank that would fit up front.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> I think the hose wound up costing =
me somewhere near $350. But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 i=
nches from that stuff and don't smell anything bad I know it was one o=
f the better boat investments.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Good luck. <BR>Frank Albert 41621</=
DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thomps=
on <I><<A href=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dforedec=
k@videotron.ca" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:foredeck@v=
ideotron.ca">foredeck@videotron.ca</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV></DIV>
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illiam Thompson <<A href=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=
=3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:=
foredeck@videotron.ca">foredeck@videotron.ca</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [frers=
-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To: "<A h=
ref=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfrers-list@lists.frer=
s33.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.=
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low target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-l=
ist@lists.frers33.com</A>><BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM</=
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<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Ed,</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Been p<SPAN class=3Dyiv1763742104apple-st=
yle-span>oking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for=
tanks, and really good odor control info.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Bill Thompson </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>d'Ad lib </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>On 2012=
-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<A href=3D"http://us.mc811.m=
ail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=
=3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>> wrote:</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=
11pt">Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36=
, any good feedback would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=
11pt">Many thanks</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=
11pt">Tom</SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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11pt"> </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:<=
/SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.=
yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfrers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=3Dnofollo=
w target=3D_blank>frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A> <A href=3D"http://=
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s33.com]" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:[mailto:frers-li=
st-admin@lists.frers33.com]">[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]</A=
> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15=
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=
=3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>frers-list@=
lists.frers33.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [frers-list]suggestions for replac=
ing water tank and sanitation hose</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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s=3Dyiv1763742104msolistparagraph><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">1)</SPAN><SP=
AN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> </=
SPAN><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">I am looking to replace the original blad=
der water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does an=
yone know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it=
as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =E2=80=93 30 g=
allons.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in" class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=
=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" clas=
s=3Dyiv1763742104msolistparagraph><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">2)</SPAN><SP=
AN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> </=
SPAN><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">I=E2=80=99m also in the process of trying=
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the p=
otential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does=
anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=E2=80=
=99ve seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everyt=
hing is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN=
></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">From what I =
have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5 to 6 feet. =
I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and inhibited g=
etting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the hoses which I=
could readily get to.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">Removing the=
remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was placed just a=
bove the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the hose attached =
to it. </SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN=
></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">My goal is t=
o try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odor.</SPAN></D=
IV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN=
></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">Any suggesti=
ons would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN=
></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">Thanks</SPAN=
></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">Ed Putnam</S=
PAN></DIV>
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