[frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose
FRANCIS ALBERT
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Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
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It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=C2=A0 Just kidding.=C2=A0 I'll take =
some shots tomorrow and post them.=C2=A0=20
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Frank
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 6:09 PM
Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?=C2=A0 Mu=
ch appreciated.
=C2=A0
Neal
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote=
:
Ed,
=C2=A0
First your going to need really, really good hose.=C2=A0 I recommend Triden=
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=C2=A0 It's not chea=
p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=C2=A0smell from this hose.=C2=A0 I=
've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=C2=A0 Next you're goin=
g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=C2=A0 You buy a flexible tank =
and=C2=A0it=C2=A0will stink and you will be sorry.=C2=A0 Someone suggested =
a stainless steel tank once.=C2=A0 You buy that and you're boat will eventu=
ally be filled with waste water.=C2=A0 Nothing but acid is more corrosive t=
han human waste.=C2=A0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect on pl=
astic.=C2=A0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=C2=A0 Everything f=
rom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=C2=A0 From the tank there is=
a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're offshor=
e.
=C2=A0
My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =
that would fit up front.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.=C2=A0 But =
when I sleep in the V-birth just=C2=A03 inches from that stuff and don't sm=
ell anything bad=C2=A0I know it was one of the better boat=C2=A0investments=
.
=C2=A0
Good luck.=C2=A0=20
Frank Albert 41621
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:
From: William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM
Ed,
Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=
nks, and really good odor control info.
Bill Thompson=C2=A0
d'Ad lib=C2=A0
Montreal
William Thompson=20
Sent from my iPad
On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=
ote:
Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g=
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Tom
=C2=A0
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=
se
=C2=A0=20
1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=
er water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=
one know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =
as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =E2=80=93 30 ga=
llons.
=C2=A0
2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m also in the process of trying =
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=
tential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does =
anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=E2=80=99ve=
seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything =
is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=20
=C2=A0=20
>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=
to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and=
inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the h=
oses which I could readily get to.=20
Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the ho=
se attached to it.=20
=C2=A0=20
My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=
r.=20
=C2=A0=20
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=20
=C2=A0=20
Thanks=20
Ed Putnam=20
=C2=A0
--=20
Neal Melanson
89 Central St.
Rowley Ma. 01969
=C2=A0
978 948 7189
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.&n=
bsp; Just kidding. I'll take some shots tomorrow and post them. =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson <I><neal.melanson=
@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com&g=
t;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and san=
itation hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, April =
4, 2012, 6:09 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?&nbs=
p; Much appreciated.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Neal<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1898688693gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANC=
IS ALBERT <SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/=
compose?to=3Dfxalbert@prodigy.net" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:=
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<DIV>Ed,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>First your going to need really, really good hose. I recommend T=
rident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine. It's not=
cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE) smell from this hose.&nb=
sp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems. Next you're=
going to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank. You buy a flexible =
tank and it will stink and you will be sorry. Someone sugge=
sted a stainless steel tank once. You buy that and you're boat will e=
ventually be filled with waste water. Nothing but acid is more corros=
ive than human waste. It will eat right through SS but has no affect =
on plastic. I located my tank forward on the port side. Everyth=
ing from the head is pumped directly into the tank. From the tank the=
re is a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're of=
fshore.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest =
tank that would fit up front.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350. =
But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 inches from that stuff and don=
't smell anything bad I know it was one of the better boat invest=
ments.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good luck. <BR>Frank Albert 41621</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <I><<A href=3D"http://u=
s.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3Dnofollo=
w target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">foredeck@videotr=
on.ca</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: William Thompson <<A href=3D"http://us.m=
c811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3Dnofollow t=
arget=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">foredeck@videotron.=
ca</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [<SPAN>frers</SPAN>-list]suggestions for replaci=
ng water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To: "<A href=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.y=
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t=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists=
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to=3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=
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t;<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Ed,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Been p<SPAN>oking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan =
site for tanks, and really good odor control info.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bill Thompson </DIV>
<DIV>d'Ad lib </DIV>
<DIV>Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson=20
<DIV>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<A href=3D"h=
ttp://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=3Dn=
ofollow target=3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Having similar =
problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any good feedback wo=
uld be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Many thanks</SP=
AN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Tom</SPAN></DIV=
></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfre=
rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>frers-list-=
admin@lists.frers33.com</A> [mailto:<A href=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.c=
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t=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list=
-admin@lists.frers33.com</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B>=
Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href=3D"http://us.mc811.ma=
il.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3Dnofollow t=
arget=3D_blank>frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [frers-l=
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<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPA=
N>1)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> </=
SPAN><SPAN>I am looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a =
rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a good sou=
rce for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it as far aft and low as =
possible, with a capacity of about 20 =E2=80=93 30 gallons.</SPAN><SPAN></S=
PAN></DIV></DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in"><SPAN> </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPA=
N>2)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> </=
SPAN><SPAN>I=E2=80=99m also in the process of trying to fix/improve the hol=
ding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the potential for future odo=
r problems. The current set up is not original. Does anyone have the origin=
al layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=E2=80=99ve seen the set up o=
n Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything is forward, not ex=
actly where I want the weight.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=20
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=20
<DIV><SPAN>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose =
to exceed 5 to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not func=
tioning and inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and re=
moved the hoses which I could readily get to.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=20
<DIV><SPAN>Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the=
tank was placed just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to re=
move the hose attached to it. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=20
<DIV><SPAN>My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above=
all no odor.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=20
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=20
<DIV><SPAN>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN=
>=20
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=20
<DIV><SPAN>Thanks</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=20
<DIV><SPAN>Ed Putnam</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=20
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<DIV>Neal Melanson</DIV>
<DIV>89 Central St.</DIV>
<DIV>Rowley Ma. 01969</DIV>
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<DIV>978 948 7189</DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table>
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